Not gonna lie, I thought he was a paid Google shill at first, because his name is so similar to Firebase, and I only knew of him through his videos talking about Angular.
@Jack Clayton Literally the channel's name was AngularFirebase, you can see that in the videos uploaded about 4 years ago. What a great channel was and is.
I admire your channel for showing me new tools I would never hear about otherwise. One subscription on youtube and I am up to date with all the new cool stuff. Also you are great in video editing, your videos are fast and go straight to the point. Love it. Thank you.
It's the other way around. Google monitors your searches, and Google owns UA-cam, so that may be how you got this video recommended, assuming you weren't already subscribed.
@@mecode7850 Cool, nobody asked. You said it was a "mega company" and I told you that's wrong. If you want to cry about why you were wrong go to a local bar.
Open source for the win! Especially since you can self host. Although this kind of application might be intended so that you don't need to host it yourself, many of the tools it comes with would still speed up development. I like self hosting and the freedom it provides but find dealing with backend databases tedious. Something you can just spin up in a docker container that is meant to act like Firebase? Yes please!
And honestly self-hosting something dockerizable does not seem to be that big of a deal? I honestly dont know, since I have never hosted anything used by somebody else than me, but getting a docker container up and running is pretty painless..
@@mthf5839 On the surface, it's not. But it can get complicated if you make it that way... One thing that I'm actively fighting with is monitoring application uptime. I host a docker app for friends and family that can be accessed on the open net but that's where things get... interesting. There's other docker apps that can monitor service uptime like UptimeKuma and that's fine. But when you're hosting stuff on the web, can get messy quickly. You got a static or dynamic ip? How bout domain names? Hosting multiple apps on the same port? How bout ddos protection and keeping this secure... There's methods and systems for all the above but it's a chunk of time to get it set up and configured properly.
@@isaach.1135 Hmm, yeah, setting up uptime monitoring and log aggregation is something I have not done yet that a PaaS will have for 'free'. The log aggregation worries me more, since I notice my gitea container is getting a lot of random ssh login attempts. Being able to check for login succeses and such would assure me than I have setup everything successfully, even though I dont supose I messed the ssh keys so bad a bot will get shell access. IP addresses and DNS have not caused me any issues so far, but maybe that is what I can expect for workloads than fit into VPS free tier..
this is a valid reason to not edit my new video for the next 9 minutes! I've been talking and reading through some supabase stuff. Excited to watch this!
Trying out Supabase after I was unpleasantly surprised by the fact that Firebase doesn't provide text search. So far, I'm amazed, it works so well by abstracting the boilerplate code of relational databases (the API simply gives you the JSON), while supporting search and being relational.
My heart has balanced for a while between fear of young solution and fear of lock-in with a Cloud overlord. And decided to postpone my project a bit, and go for Supabase later on.
@@ShaferHart lol. It's a personal project that can wait a few months. But when I start, I want to fully invest myself in it (with the goal of starting a business out of it) and want to use of the features that are not yet in place know in Supabase.
I'm a die-hard self hoster, which has been the major deterrent with firebase for me. I also have my own server in my garage, so the idea that I could run supabase on it, and maybe even earn money running it as a SaaS to people wanting to use it is great, and creates price competition in the market.
Used Supabase, did a full backup of a huge project, downloaded it to my computer, didn't pay a thing. I definitely will stay with Supabase after 2+ years with firebase. Waiting for cloud functions to close the circles in the prod environments.
@@Abhishek-fc7fy I learned how to use postgres functions. So far cron jobs, reactive fn from DB changes and http fn are working very well. But I didn't manage to run custom JS libraries inside the function, I'm still using firebase for this connected to supabase. (for instance, image auto compression). And for other things I use netlify direct and background functions. I wish I can do 100% of the job in one place but not yet. Appart from Functions. I found some bugs/lacks when querying nested data. But luckily these were solved in December with an update of PostgREST, for instance. Joined tables with filtered data were not being counted properly. Anyway, many of these really needed features now they are fixed. Im still not in production stage but so far now I am 90% of the time in the rest of the app rather than the DB as the data works as my needs requires without bigger issues
Can you please focus on cost control / billing more? I think what most beginners are scared off is the risk of unexpected costs after putting in your credit card. As a hobbyist who might just try it once and then forget about it this is an unacceptable risk.
Well, if they host everything in AWS, Amazon can easily make them stop supporting any business that "goes against the rules". Like what happened with Parler for example.
So Supabase is hosted service built from open source components but not a DIY open source Firebase? IMHO it makes no sense to use it then. What it's supposed to be firebase on amazon?
Great video as always! I would love to see a video comparing GoTrue (used by Supabase) and other standalone OAuth2 solutions. Securing a REST API is always a headache.
Selfhosting Supabase really is a farce, the documentation was missing for a long time. Now you get some examples on how to spin it up with docker compose. But the huge thing thats never mentioned: the dashboard is not open source. „Selfhosting“ means you get the bundle of other open source software they build upon. Without the dashboard Supabase is really nothing like „Open Source Firebase“, you‘re back to configuring your own tables and tools. They‘ve been sketchy about selfhosting from the getgo, they tout about open source but the only thing that is actually open source is the code from other people (Kong, PostgRest and the other building blocks they use). That‘s how they make money, they hook people with the „Firebase“, they test their hosted playground and when you want to selfhost it you‘re left out to dry. Nothing wrong with making money, but no one out there should claim that it‘s selfhostable or open source.
The moment Firebase adds a relational database option, I'm swtiching to Firebase. Otherwise, Supabase is good for relational databases only. I like to use both Firebase and Supabase, supabase for database related actions (auth, realtime, etc), and Firebase for other things (analytics, crash reports, etc).
Would you make a video like this for Appwrite? Appwrite looks very polished and also claims to be Firebase alternative but selfhosted. We would love to see that video.
How about Parse, the original 'Firebase replacement'? Even though Parse is still up and kicking as an open-source project, Back4app carries the Parse (SaaS) mantle since the shutdown of Parse.com several years ago. Would love your review on Parse/Back4app!
Firebase as currently known is actually more like a replacement for Parse. Parse shut its doors somewhere late 2015s (i think), while Firebase in the current form was released in may 2016.
While there aren't any SDKs besides the JS SDK for Supabase, the platform does provide a REST API out of the box so it would be somewhat trivial to use it with other stacks.
The fact it's not Google is a pretty enticing point honestly. That combined with the self-hosted option means it's an option for European companies (that need GDPR compliancy).
2:43 I see an "encrypted_password" there, omg, I REALLY hope it means "hashed password", and not actually _encrypted_, otherwise, this is already a big no-no.
1:32 The thing is for us who live in countries restricted by trade embargo (Syria, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and ...) Google really does the thing and shuts down the business anytime it wants.
The thing I'm going to like the most about supabase is that functions is free to use. I can finally freely use a firebase like architecture as my backend without worrying about creating lambdas. Eagerly waiting for its release.
"Because we definitely all know that Google doesn't have a reputation of killing of products"... thank you!
I was hired by Google in 2009 to work on a product _already on the way to be killed_ ("Google Gadgets")
mark my words...google stadia is next. any google product i end up really getting into has a 50-50 shot of getting killed.
Didn't google+ die?
@@jti107 you called it
@@jti107 ding ding ding lol
And that was hell of CSK there 0:34
haha Dhoni😍😍
MI fans unsubscribed the channel
0+3+4=7
Thala for a reason.
Last time I was this early, Fireship didn't use Firebase yet
Not gonna lie, I thought he was a paid Google shill at first, because his name is so similar to Firebase, and I only knew of him through his videos talking about Angular.
@Jack Clayton Literally the channel's name was AngularFirebase, you can see that in the videos uploaded about 4 years ago. What a great channel was and is.
"Now that's extremely unlikely if you do what you're told". 1:42
Oh boy, I see what you did there... Definitely something to be wary about. lol
I admire your channel for showing me new tools I would never hear about otherwise.
One subscription on youtube and I am up to date with all the new cool stuff.
Also you are great in video editing, your videos are fast and go straight to the point. Love it.
Thank you.
Exactly. Came here for flutter and firebase. Stay for all the new&cool stuffz.
If Supabase manages to sustain itself for another year then I'll probably switch to it
@@YoloMonstaaa Can't seem to find any evidence of that. Can you link me an article?
@@YoloMonstaaa you mean $6M?
They will most certainly sustain themselves for much longer than that, because many many people are sick with Google, myself including
@@YoloMonstaaa 6 Billion?
@@andikaandrianto2803 Million, not Billion.
You are on top of your gif game, my friend.
Z calls us gif millennials
Ha, when I first heard about Supabase a few days ago, I thought of this channel first. Great video, too! Very fair.
Angular Firebase | supabase
Completely agree: PLEASE ADD A SQL DATABASE TO THE FIREBASE PLATFORM!
And now it's finally here(almost)...
I'm convinced this guy is monitoring my Google searches for tips on his next videos. You won't take me alive, Jeff.
It's the other way around. Google monitors your searches, and Google owns UA-cam, so that may be how you got this video recommended, assuming you weren't already subscribed.
@@genjii931 Been subscribed since before the name change.
I just want a serverless platform that isn't ran by evil mega cooperations.
Mozila is not evil, but mega Company
@@mecode7850 uhh no it isn't. It has less than 1k employees, that's a tiny ass company. Intel, adobe, etc all have 100k+
It's completely free company, it relies on the donation. You can't hire 100k employees with donations
@@mecode7850 Cool, nobody asked. You said it was a "mega company" and I told you that's wrong. If you want to cry about why you were wrong go to a local bar.
@@mecode7850 …yet
"...if you do what you're told" - I like this remark
"I like that it returns an error instead of raising an exception"
(Rob Pike has entered the chat)
gophers assemble
if err != nil {
// do something
}
Supabase is opensource and noone can censor you.
GAME SET MATCH
Supabase ONE MILLION POINTS!
Firebase ZERO!
Developers will use supabase because it has dark mode.
With firebase : Fireship
With supabse : SupaShip
😂🤣
With pocketbase : PocketShip
😅
Supabase: Dark Mode
Firebase: Light Mode
Bruh 😂
Google, take notes
Open source for the win! Especially since you can self host. Although this kind of application might be intended so that you don't need to host it yourself, many of the tools it comes with would still speed up development. I like self hosting and the freedom it provides but find dealing with backend databases tedious.
Something you can just spin up in a docker container that is meant to act like Firebase? Yes please!
And honestly self-hosting something dockerizable does not seem to be that big of a deal? I honestly dont know, since I have never hosted anything used by somebody else than me, but getting a docker container up and running is pretty painless..
@@mthf5839 On the surface, it's not. But it can get complicated if you make it that way...
One thing that I'm actively fighting with is monitoring application uptime. I host a docker app for friends and family that can be accessed on the open net but that's where things get... interesting.
There's other docker apps that can monitor service uptime like UptimeKuma and that's fine. But when you're hosting stuff on the web, can get messy quickly.
You got a static or dynamic ip? How bout domain names? Hosting multiple apps on the same port? How bout ddos protection and keeping this secure... There's methods and systems for all the above but it's a chunk of time to get it set up and configured properly.
@@isaach.1135 Hmm, yeah, setting up uptime monitoring and log aggregation is something I have not done yet that a PaaS will have for 'free'. The log aggregation worries me more, since I notice my gitea container is getting a lot of random ssh login attempts. Being able to check for login succeses and such would assure me than I have setup everything successfully, even though I dont supose I messed the ssh keys so bad a bot will get shell access.
IP addresses and DNS have not caused me any issues so far, but maybe that is what I can expect for workloads than fit into VPS free tier..
this is a valid reason to not edit my new video for the next 9 minutes! I've been talking and reading through some supabase stuff. Excited to watch this!
Great coverage! Thanks Jeff!
1 hour knowledge in 8 minutes...
Salute bro 👍🏻👍🏻
It wins by simply being open source. That is the biggest and most important feature. Always prefer open source if it suits your needs.
Trying out Supabase after I was unpleasantly surprised by the fact that Firebase doesn't provide text search. So far, I'm amazed, it works so well by abstracting the boilerplate code of relational databases (the API simply gives you the JSON), while supporting search and being relational.
Fireship only has 650k subs?? I thought this man was in the millions already! Easily one of the most premium programming UA-camrs out there.
Now he is!
@@softwarelivre2389
Now he is!
Now he is!
No one's gonna talk about dhoni? 0:33 ❤️🔥
I am :D
Fireship is a CSK supporter.
hmm you make alot of good points but you forgot the most important thing... Supabase has dark mode
yes SQL DATABASE IN FIREBASE IS NEEEEDED .....we must have a sql database in firebase ... spent too much time monkeying with Cloud SQL etc.
I think we all agree that you are James Brown of any software related topic ❤️
Yup we do
The sarcasm at 7:16 to 7:22
Firebase function was removed from free and now required to add a payment method. Why...
To make you pay. It's a business.
Didn't moved from free to paid! But they required a payment method to be setup doesn't mean you will get charged
If you don't exceed their free quota you won't get charged, but maybe just $0.1 dollar to build the function
I like the auto genereted database
My heart has balanced for a while between fear of young solution and fear of lock-in with a Cloud overlord. And decided to postpone my project a bit, and go for Supabase later on.
Let me get this straight, you postponed your "project" to wait for a third party over which you have no control? Be honest, you have no project lol.
@@ShaferHart lol. It's a personal project that can wait a few months. But when I start, I want to fully invest myself in it (with the goal of starting a business out of it) and want to use of the features that are not yet in place know in Supabase.
0:34 CSK🟡🟡
Chennai super kings 🔥💛
how do you make such high-quality videos so fast
Checkout Appwrite (seems more complete than Supabase)
I'm a die-hard self hoster, which has been the major deterrent with firebase for me. I also have my own server in my garage, so the idea that I could run supabase on it, and maybe even earn money running it as a SaaS to people wanting to use it is great, and creates price competition in the market.
Used Supabase, did a full backup of a huge project, downloaded it to my computer, didn't pay a thing. I definitely will stay with Supabase after 2+ years with firebase. Waiting for cloud functions to close the circles in the prod environments.
How are you doing with Supabase now? I'm planning to use it for my project...
@@Abhishek-fc7fy I learned how to use postgres functions. So far cron jobs, reactive fn from DB changes and http fn are working very well. But I didn't manage to run custom JS libraries inside the function, I'm still using firebase for this connected to supabase. (for instance, image auto compression). And for other things I use netlify direct and background functions. I wish I can do 100% of the job in one place but not yet.
Appart from Functions. I found some bugs/lacks when querying nested data. But luckily these were solved in December with an update of PostgREST, for instance. Joined tables with filtered data were not being counted properly. Anyway, many of these really needed features now they are fixed.
Im still not in production stage but so far now I am 90% of the time in the rest of the app rather than the DB as the data works as my needs requires without bigger issues
Can you please focus on cost control / billing more? I think what most beginners are scared off is the risk of unexpected costs after putting in your credit card. As a hobbyist who might just try it once and then forget about it this is an unacceptable risk.
i'm moving to subabase
> Prefers error in object instead of try-catch
Ah yes, because we all loved the error handling back in callback hell days...
Need an update video!
I am so hooked I might even start a yt channel called supaship. Isn't that a beautiful name?
Yooo the SQL to JS code snippets based on your data structure is absolutey 🔥 innovation
Awesome Video. In depth analysis. Super cool! Thanks Jeff!
Well, if they host everything in AWS, Amazon can easily make them stop supporting any business that "goes against the rules". Like what happened with Parler for example.
Then they can migrate to another provider
You should have waited for Supabase to leave beta....
Would love to see a video about Appwrite vs Firebase. We are heavy Firebase users at work, but got to have back ups just in case
I just wrote a comment asking him to checkout and compare appwrite with firebase too
So Supabase is hosted service built from open source components but not a DIY open source Firebase? IMHO it makes no sense to use it then. What it's supposed to be firebase on amazon?
YES! The lack of SQL with Firebase is the worst thing about it. It seems absurd.
Why?
@@LarsRyeJeppesen what so you mean? It's massively limiting. SQL is solid, battle tested, popular, and useful. Why wouldn't we want it?
This is awesome. The ability to self host makes it ideal for learners, or someone testing the waters of entrepreneurship.
I am gonna go with supabase for my current project & the only reason is the SQL database.
#YesSQL 😒
What's wrong with nosql?
Great video as always! I would love to see a video comparing GoTrue (used by Supabase) and other standalone OAuth2 solutions. Securing a REST API is always a headache.
How many programming language and library or framework you know
I will also learn and become development like you
Supabase it's a really promising product, I'll hope that even more developers want it to adopt it 🤞
switching it now
What about appwrite?
Lol , Nice .... that man is very famous in india especially now
(yellow man)
Appwrite is a another cool open source alternative to firebase!
You could've created a new channel named "Supership", you know "Firebase -> Fireship" & "Superbase -> Supership"😂
supaship
supabase ? thats new..
The only thing that sucks on firebase is making Search qeurys
You should compare Parse & Firebase!
I was contracting at Facebook when they pulled the plug on Parse. Is it still going? Seemed like it didn’t compare even back then.
UPDATE: Supabase now provides phone authentication.
Selfhosting Supabase really is a farce, the documentation was missing for a long time. Now you get some examples on how to spin it up with docker compose.
But the huge thing thats never mentioned: the dashboard is not open source.
„Selfhosting“ means you get the bundle of other open source software they build upon. Without the dashboard Supabase is really nothing like „Open Source Firebase“, you‘re back to configuring your own tables and tools.
They‘ve been sketchy about selfhosting from the getgo, they tout about open source but the only thing that is actually open source is the code from other people (Kong, PostgRest and the other building blocks they use).
That‘s how they make money, they hook people with the „Firebase“, they test their hosted playground and when you want to selfhost it you‘re left out to dry.
Nothing wrong with making money, but no one out there should claim that it‘s selfhostable or open source.
Dashboard is included now :)
The world just exploded 🤯
I thought it was a Nicki Minaj meme.
This is honestly a fuckin valiant attempt. If they can keep this up this is an awesome product.
what about that Hasura thing? Would like to seem a video about it.
I have been watching supabase repo for many months now. Time to dust off my backup hdd and restart working on my side project.
The moment Firebase adds a relational database option, I'm swtiching to Firebase. Otherwise, Supabase is good for relational databases only. I like to use both Firebase and Supabase, supabase for database related actions (auth, realtime, etc), and Firebase for other things (analytics, crash reports, etc).
firebase is awesome but they need to stop counting ( read, write) ☹
That feeling when a UA-camr you follow uploads a vid on the thing you took an interest in hours earlier...
Do a video on the parse server sdk and maybe on its flutter version. It’s very useful and I am trying it out myself
My prediction.
Too good to be good.
In the future it will lock out many "features" behind a pay wall
Can be self-hosted, it doesn't matter
I lIke Supabase because it give you unlimited calls to the database
Its free supabase for self hosted? Thanks you
Would you make a video like this for Appwrite? Appwrite looks very polished and also claims to be Firebase alternative but selfhosted. We would love to see that video.
I don't do what I'm told. Supabase wins. :)
How about Parse, the original 'Firebase replacement'?
Even though Parse is still up and kicking as an open-source project, Back4app carries the Parse (SaaS) mantle since the shutdown of Parse.com several years ago.
Would love your review on Parse/Back4app!
+1
I don’t think Parse was the replacement of Firebase. I remember they both came out at about the same time.
Firebase as currently known is actually more like a replacement for Parse. Parse shut its doors somewhere late 2015s (i think), while Firebase in the current form was released in may 2016.
While there aren't any SDKs besides the JS SDK for Supabase, the platform does provide a REST API out of the box so it would be somewhat trivial to use it with other stacks.
True
Time to research about supabase and build a dart package for the flutter community 😉
Wow
There is one GIANT plus that supabase has: IT IS NOT OWNED BY GOOGLE. That alone outweighs every single benefit that firebase might have had.
The fact it's not Google is a pretty enticing point honestly. That combined with the self-hosted option means it's an option for European companies (that need GDPR compliancy).
Firebase is responsible for all the incomplete side projects I started this year
So you will change your channel name to SupaShip ?
I wanted to build a similar platform, but then I found Supabase!
2:43 I see an "encrypted_password" there, omg, I REALLY hope it means "hashed password", and not actually _encrypted_, otherwise, this is already a big no-no.
need to do another tetorail on supabase now
Supabase is gonna be big!
Ayyy that CSK fan at 0:35. You got meeeee
1:32 The thing is for us who live in countries restricted by trade embargo (Syria, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and ...) Google really does the thing and shuts down the business anytime it wants.
does anyone notice CSK AKA Dhonis Fan in there :)
Support Open Source, break monopolies.
Yes, it may cost more but it's a price I'm willing to pay to avoid giving power to monopolies.
I wanted you to talk about supabase from the last 4 months lol
Please look Up appwrite it's like supabase
6:16 - supabase cloud does not offer free traffic :( . free tier has 2GB bandwidth pro has 50gb .
man do you watch IPL
How did you know that dhoni fan
The thing I'm going to like the most about supabase is that functions is free to use. I can finally freely use a firebase like architecture as my backend without worrying about creating lambdas. Eagerly waiting for its release.
Please make a video on three.js!!
Supaship.io when?
I'm using Supabase for some projects and it's really nice