Two Hammocks, One Tarp - Dutchware Double Chameleon Hammock & Spreader Bar System
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Hanging Two Hammocks & One Tarp on a single set of Trees using the Dutchware Chameleon Hammock with Beetle Buckles and Spreader Bar. www.sintax77.com
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Hammock Length: 11 foot for flatter diagonal lay.
Hammock Width: 58 inches
Spreader Bar Lenght: 36 inches (can be cut shorter if prefered)
For this video, Sara and I will be experimenting with our new double hammock system by Dutchware to hang both of our hammocks side by side without the need to find 3 or even 4 trees in order to set up without having the two hammocks bump into each other.
The key pieces of hardware that make this possible are the Dutchware Spreader Bar pole with end pins that lock into the holes on the new Dutchware Beetle Buckles suspension system. When attached at the head end, the spreader bar will keep the two hammocks at a comfortable distance apart. For the video, we’ll be using a 36 inch spreader bar pole, shorter poles can be used as well, or you can even cut down your existing poles to shorter lengths. This can help minimize see-sawing, as well as create opportunities to use narrower tarps,
Speaking of tarps, one of the very attractive points of using this system is the ability to pack just a single tarp to be shared by two hammocks. However, you’ll have to keep in mind that you’re required space will be a bit wider than usual. This is especially compounded by non-rectangular tarps, such as those cut in the popular hexagonal shape. Because tarps of those kind are only at their full length along the middle seam, you may find that you’re hammocks don’t quite fit underneath anymore, due to the tapered sides of the tarp. My 10’x12 Hennessy Deluxe Hex Tarp is a hexagonal cut and suffered this symptom. For future trips, I may experiment with a narrower spreader bar, or I may just get a dedicated rectangle shaped tarp for use with this hammock system.
Link to Sara's Instagram @SarasGreatAdventures / bpwg10ygk-i
Product overview from Dutch
“The Chameleon is a full-featured hammock designed from the ground up. Each of the components that go into the Chameleon have been developed by us to create a versatile and modular light weight hammock that adapts to its environment. Because you can remove and change out components, the Chameleon will be the only hammock you will ever need.”
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Good to see this in use. It'll help a lot of folks be clear on how it works.
Right goodie. Oh, I am having fun out here.
Shug
Still waiting to see you and Hickery in one of these set-ups ;)
sintax77 Only if we could get you two together. It would be Cheeseburgers, Yoo Hoo's, and Whoo Buddy! You would both need Hickery and Mike so y'all would have fire. Lol!
Whoo buddy!!
Might try this with my dog in his own hammock. He's too big to fit comfortably with me in mine.
P.S. More Sara. She's awesome!
I will show this set up to my wife and hopefully it will push her over the edge to go overnight with me... nice video!
Nice! I hope to try my hammock this week! It might even quit raining. 😀
Sara should have her own youtube channel, she cracks me up...
Great video, and if possible, I love Sara even more after this video. You two are so adorable together! Thank you for another wonderful, informative and entertaining video! Always look forward to your new videos!
I know this is an older video but you two crack me up! What a couple!! Been watching you guys for years know so keep the vids coming
Thanks man, a lot of hangers are loving Dutches chameleon hammocks, can't wait to see them in action!
Cool set up
thanks for the info. it looks like you two have a great time together. keep the videos coming.
Awesome. Just picked this up on Kickstarter!!
Thanks for the video.
I love the "Double Dutch" name!
Great video. It answers a lot of my questions. I'm looking forward to trying this set-up with my girlfriend.
good tip on buying the buckles and pole and having a double setup if you already have hammocks.
thanks for keeping updated I'm patiently(a-hum) waiting fof mine hopefully it'll be a go
Great review, my wife and I have been using Dutch's "double hammock hooks" for over a year. It works great for us. The tarp is where we have issuers. I've experimented with 3 different tarps. We were on a trip this weekend, Friday night I used a Hammockgear Winterdream CF tarp. I want it to cover all the hammock including the spreader bar. The problem with that is I have to hang the tarp to flat, it doesn't block wind or sideways rain. I have a friend that makes hammocks and tarps, he's going to try to make me a custom tarp with a spreader bar. Thanks for sharing
+Greg Rinehart Thanks for the feedback, Greg. I don't have an HG winter palace, but was wondering how it (or similar sizes tarps) mighr be with thos setup. I'm thinking I may have to do a combination of shortening the bar along with a wider non-hex tarp.
Really good demo of the spreader bar in use. I suppose as use of the spreader bar someone will build a tarp to work approp.
that looks like a great setup!! bet your pup likes being in that hammock
It's pretty cool. Sara's pretty excited about it. Of course, there's no way she's going out for a winter trip, haha - so we'll probably be waiting until spring to take it out for a legit trip in double mode. I'm planning to use a single one with the solid top cover on my upcoming winter solo though.
Great video. Everything you said was the same thing Dutch told me yesterday at HangCon. He suggested 32 inches for the spreader bar poles too, supposedly with pipe cutters.
Nice review.
Also nice to see you started to color your videos,
it looks really appealing. Good job.
Kind regards.
Good set up guys!
Hi, some friends used a 3x4m rectangular tarp last autumn together with two hammocks on 3 trees - worked out perfect for them. By the way, nice idea using a spreader beam ;-)
ATB. Franz, bugikraxn.
Cracking excellent vid 📹 👍. Tks for sharing.
Subscribed! Keep sara in the vids please
Brother, the wifey was certainly the star here.
Thanks for the video review!
A superfly works pretty good with double hole whoopie hook speader bar system. I imagine this would be similar.
Thanks for the video.
My pleasure.
Great, thanks i will check out with my hennessy raintarp. . .Take care, Dirk
Tie off the ends of the spreader bar to the ground, that will help to minimize transfer bar sway you then just get your own sway.
You got me on this one! Unique design! The heavier husband will have the lower hammock, while shooting the wife into the atmosphere, and face pushed into the cover tarp. And if one gets out of the hammock, the other person is going to spin around and down, and get whacked by the other hammock gear ....
I would suggest that the spreader bar has 2 legs to the ground keeping the hammocks stable.
We love y'all!
def would like to see some clips or hooks by Dutch to do this with trekking poles. maybe already invented but have not seen yet.
I'm glad to see someone trying the side by side hammock arrangement. I have brainstormed over the last two years trying to come up with an idea to use when my son and I go Hammock Camping in The Boundary Waters. The problem with this system is that when one camper leaves the hammock the other drops far toward the ground. I'm trying to engineer A system that allows for two trees and to Hammocks but does not have the same problem. Any ideas?
Y'all are adorable.
I'm digging Dutch's new hammock. Wilderness Logics makes a straight cut "Bullfrog" tarp that would probably work very well with the dual hammock setup.
Very Nice
Cool idea. Where do your dog sleep? I think of doing the above for my small dogs
Double Dutch...I likey
lol..Sarah is hilarious!
Very cool
@sintax77 Wonderfully clear demo and explanation.
Two quick questions if you please:
1. I agree with your Rectangular Tarp recommendation, yet what size tarp would you recommend for the 'double dutch' setup with two 10ft hammocks? Length? Width?
2. Do you recommend the tarp style with 'doors' with such a set up?
Thank you kindly.
Excellent option! Thx
Genius!
New Camera? Footage looks different! Great informative video!
I think the Warbonnet Cloudburst tarp is what you'll need
Thanks, I'm going to check that out. I've heard of it, but it's been quite a while since I've looked at it.
sintax77 I have one that I use with my Ridgerunner hammock which of course has spreader bars
It looks like a great idea but i wonder how it will work when one person is much heavier than the other. My son is less than half my weight. Is there a way to work around a significant weight difference?
Sintex, feel the failure of the splitter bar when hammocks are occupied needs investigation even though the likely hood is so unlikely. Hope to see what would happen. Cheers
I think Sarah was laughing at the "we feel each other a lot" comment....or is it my juvenile mind playing up again 😉👍🏻😁
Nice camera.
Just checked out Sarah's instagram, you've got some awesome images there well done. Also I don't think the seesaw action lifting you into the tarp wouldn't be a big issue after a little fine tuning.
Thanks, Nikad. Yes, I think you're right. While watching the footage back, I could see that Sara's hammock was actually pitched a bit low compared to mine. This probably amplified the effect, and yet, it still wasn't really much of an issue.
just a thought, if people are worried about the spreader bar falling out Dutch could design the spreader bar with a bolt to go through the hole and have a wing nut to secure the bar to the suspension or vice versa have a threaded hole in each end of the spreader bar and use a time handle style bolt to tighten suspension to the bar..
"T" handle
I wonder if the Cuben fiber Palace Tarp would work for it? :)
You made reference to Sarah's new website. Is it up and running?
Someone asked me about what tarp to use with the 2 hammocks spreader bar setup. I can't remember what you said maybe the Hennessy? My new Dream Hammock came today and I'll test it this weekend at PRNL. Also someone else asked about drones at National Parks. Far as I know drones are illegal at all NP'S. I always go to you for the good ?'s
+uptrail71 My Hennessy tarp didn't work too well, due to the Hex shape, but according to Dutch, a 10' x 11' rectangular tarp will do the trick. JRB sells one, but I haven't personally tried it.
Yes, NP's passed a reg banning operation of drones within their boundaries. Wilderness areas, *Natnl Rec areas, National Forests are still ok as of now (in general, at least) EDIT: Natnl Rec Areas are actually under the jurisdiction of the NPS, so they are off limits as of 2014 as well.
Thanks Shawn! I'll pass the info over to him about the tarp. Bob
Just a heads up - National Rec Areas are under the jurisdiction of the NPS, so counter to my prior understanding, they are off limits now too.
Thanks! I have been thinking about a drone to make better videos, but the new laws could make it hard. Some state parks may be doing the same. Michigan has made it illegal to fly near prisons and some other areas that I'm not sure of yet. When will it end?
Can you show us the set up?
Thanks for showing this setup! Very nice! Check out WildernessLogics.com for that larger tarp. They have been making tarps all the way up to 15 foot long for years. Good stuff!
Not going to carry a "spreader bar" but good idea tho.. but i'l just use a piece of wood mcguyver style..
Your wife was hilarious! LOL
Ever find a good tarp for this
From what I could see from Sean's response to Kevin Cumberton (look below), he said he heard good things about Jacks R Better 11'x10' tarp. From the description of the video the spreader bar is 36in (but you can purchase a smaller one from Dutch or cut your existing one as Sean mentioned in the video to fit a smaller tarp). The tarp shown in the video is 12'x10' (according to the description). Two tarps that you may consider looking at (that are not hexagonal/cat cut) that could work in addition to the JRB 11'x10' would be the Hammock Gear Dyneema Fiber (cuben fiber) Palace Tarp and/or the Warbonnet Cloudburst. The HG tarp can be ordered in a 10',11', or 12' ridgeline and has a width of 10'4" as well as having doors. The WB tarp measures 11'x10' and is made for their RidgeRunner hammocks as it is rectangular cut, and has tie outs on the tarp to increase the interior hanging room. Now WB does not state the width of the RR hammock on their website, but Derek Hansen from the Ultimate Hang states the dimensions of the RR are, "Pole Width(head):36.5in.__Pole Width(foot):29.625in"(Derek Hansen, 2013). Now depending on how much money you are willing to spend on fabric (Cuben fiber vs silpoly vs silnylon), what season you plan on going (JRB & WB are 3 season while HG would be 4 season as it has doors), and if you want additional tieouts. The price for each ranges: WB Cloudburst ranges from $115-$140; JRB 11'x10' ~$145; and the HG Dyneema Fiber Palace Tarp is ~$415. Thats just from my research, hope that helps!
References:
Hansen, D., (2013). Warbonnet ridgerunner bridge hammock review. The Ultimate Hang. Retrieved from: theultimatehang.com/2013/10/22/warbonnet-ridgerunner-bridge-hammock-review/
www.jacksrbetter.com/shop/jrb-11-x-10-tarp/
www.hammockgear.com/dyneema-fiber-palace-tarp/
www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/product/cloudburst/
I wanna know how you got the straps up that high. I don’t see a ladder.
Idk if anyone has asked. Can the spreader bars work at the head or foot end? I believe it would but just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
+Dwayne Gaston While the suggested method is to put it at the head end, there are identical connections available at the foot end, so there's certainly nothing to stop you from experimenting with that.
how did you suspend your camera up from the 1-3 minute mark?
This may sound like a silly question, but is it plausible to instead of having two hammocks beside each other.. have 1 hammock on top and one bellow? I imagine one would have to be too high and the other too close to the ground?
+Lucas Jorge It's certainly possible, but probably a bit tricky, for the reasons you mentioned. I've never actually tried it though.
I'm still trying to decide if I want to get a hammock or not. One concern I have is when you get your hammock and tarp set up and it starts to rain. Is there a way to keep the rain from running down the traps and get you wet while you're in the hammock? Just seems like this would be a problem. Thanks and be safe out there.
algary235 there are several hammock in the rain videos that explain how to solve that
Yup a single or double prussic knot catches the run off from the lines, looks very effective. Also lots of fly configurations, square, hex, full enclosure with a door, looking lightweight, is more expensive, but looks sooo cool:).
Awesome explanation and delivery, can I buy in the uk
Kevin Piggott You can buy via the Kickstarter and get it delivered to you. I have ordered one pair of hammocks and will get them delivered to the UK.
Cheers David
How much was the carriage charge do you know yet. I expect that there is UK customs duty to pay also
I have 2 Half-Wit hammocks from Dutch which my son and I use together often and we always are looking for a very tight triangle of trees to set up from.
This looks good and would cancel that need, I actually like the fact the suspension is easily disconnected from the hammock body as well.
Shame that Dutch didn't have a 2x Sets of 2x Beetles and 1x spreader bar option in his Kickstarter. Being here in OZ, postage is a killer for just one item.
Q: what is it like as one enters or leaves one of the hammocks, is the other dropping alot (making night time toilet breaks difficult without waking the other)?
PS: I have always refrained from using 2 tarps and have a 3m x 3m square tarp that works a treat.
The empty hammock definitely raises up a bit once someone gets in the other one. When first trying it out we felt like we both had to coordinate getting in at once, but I quickly learned that wasn't really the case. I ended up getting in & out several times during filming while Sara stayed put, and it didn't cause any considerable issues. I think it looks a bit more extreme than it really is - plus we had Sara's hammock pitched a little too low, so with some extra adjustment it would probably be even less of an issue.
"Throwin' bows"? Flyers or Pens?
Where did you get your 12' cuben fiber tarp. I don't see any that large.
I got mine from Hammock Gear. The standard rig is 11', but there's an option to upgrade to 12' for $10 on their drop down menu. www.hammockgear.com/dyneema-cuben-fiber-hex-tarp/
Did you ever find a larger tarp?
random question do you camp with your dog? what kind of coat is that and how is she tied out? Thanks
Is that your yard?
Its gonna be funny if one of you has to pee in the middle of the night lol
Do you get any shoulder squeeze in the hexon 1.0?
It hasn't been an issue for me, no. But to be fair, I usually don't experience that with any of my various hammocks, so I my experience may be a bit biased.
I'm thinking of doing the retrofit as you mentioned. but I'm curious what length you use for your straps in the video?
The straps seen in this video are 15', which seems to be the default length that's he's sending out with the Chameleons. Honestly, I rarely use that much strap, but they're so light that I'm going to keep them that length. It will come in handy for the occasional huge tree.
sintax77 yeah I noticed they were quite long. I usually run 6' straps in conjunction with my whoopie slings. I'm truly digging the rig though. my wife would like to join me hammock camping but doesn't like to be in her own setup and once she saw this I think it sold her on the idea.
Shawn you don't deserve Sara.
what tarps are you looking at?
Hey there I'm interested in the spreader bar option when I get my beetle buckles. Which bars and ends do I get from Dutch to make this work?
The one's shown in this video are the 18" version listed here dutchwaregear.com/665-aluminum-spreader.html The length can be shortened if desired by using a standard pipe cutter.
since I'm new to hammock camping.... whats your opinion on a newbie using this set up?
+Kickrocks W/Kim I think this Chameleon would be just fine for a beginner. As far as hanging double, it may be best to experiment with individual hammocks at first - just to keep things simple and to learn your individual preferences.
Honestly though, even the double set up is pretty straight forward. This video is actually the first time we ever tried a double setup. The main challenge is finding an appropriately sized tarp.
Have you found a tarp that works well yet?
+Kevin Cumberton I've heard good things about the Jack's R Better 10 x 11 foot tarp, but so far I've just been using a cheap 12 x 10 truck tarp from Walmart until I make a final choice. The Kelty Noah seems to be decent option as well.
Carousel Park?
Random question. What GPS do you have. I'm looking into getting one.
I have a Garmin Oregon 650. If you're looking for a full featured touch screen GPS, I would recommend it. I've had it for going on 3 years now and I still love it.
sintax77 Thanks!
Is this setup any good for when you have to stab the ol'lady in the whiskers ?
Shock cork it if you really have a concern of it separating.
No more wine for that girl, lol.......
This Blue is "brilliant" or "Moroccan"?
Brilliant blue
1st veiwer
Goaaaaaaaaal!
I almost didn't wanna click on this one...
Check out chillydogs.ca for a better jacket for the dog.
Oh, my wife's gonna have some fun with that, haha. Thanks!