I'm thinking the Nirvana N14 with the multi-protocol module would be the ticket. But the t12 plus with hall gimbles and the price sounds good. I just finished with two surgeries and been wanting Er thinking of getting into drones. I have flown RC helis, airplanes , cars, rock crawlers, boats. Kind of done it all except drones. Oh, well except when DJI first came out I got o e and was bored with it. I'm trying to sell my cars so I can get into drones. Anyway Josh, thanks for the review. Keep up the hard work.
I have the nirvana because this guy and sime other reviewers said it was gona be the best thing to come along in rc in 30 years well we are still waiting i love the nirvana but when will the firmware be done for it i can use it for my 5in diatone but i wanted to fly my giant scale airplanes with it too and im not gona do that till the firmware is fixed HEY JOSH DO YOU KNOW ANY MORE ABOUT THE NIRVANA
I honestly prefer the T8SG Plus. I like that the multi-protocol module is internal plus Deviation is much more intuitive to use. I've used both OpenTX and Deviation and it's just easier to navigate. Also, I'm an adult and I like the size of these Jumper radios. After flying with the X-Lite for a little while the larger gimbals of the T8SG Plus are refreshing. I don't even use my QX7 anymore because it's so massive. Also, Crossfire is now supported on Deviation and while it doesn't support Lua scripts the new TBS Agent will let you configure your transmitter on your desktop. Now we're just waiting for R9 support.
I agree i have both the t12 and original t8sg and only difference is the gimbals the open tx is ok if your in to playing around with or just like to fly...
Whiffles , McOoz FPVish I've got a question for you: I just got into FPV. Got a Mobula7 and a T8SG V2. In Betaflight Configurator's Modes tab only Aux 1 and 2 are recognized. Are the rest detected for you? Right now it's rather limiting the modes I can add - Beeping being one of them.
Love my Jumper T8SG. Perfect size for using thumbs, compact for the backpack, connects to every multirotor I've ever bought, and inexpensive. Sounds like this model is a solid upgrade on it.
Thanks for the in depth unbiased review. I think you really brought out some stuff a lot of other reviewers have missed! Keep the content coming Josh! Its definitely going to help me when I can afford to committing to getting started.
Its easier to keep openTX Updated with how they executed the hardware.. All they do is use open TX to output PPM and Serial to the modules. If the RF chips where inside that would be a nightmare and alot of work to get right and keep it updated. This way their devs can keep everything running quite easily.
I have all the Jumpers. T8sg, T8SGv2, T12v2 and im in love. I love the form factor and in most cases prefer Deviation to OpenTX. I bought the first one because I thought I could just buy the cheapest receiver option for BNFs but i don't swing that way no more. As much as they are loved...I might switch to X-Lite.
I recently bought a multiprotocol module for my Q X7 because I got a brushless whoop that only runs international FrSky protocols. All my bigger quads are running FrSky EU-LBT and that way I don't have to flash my radio everytime I go whoopin. All the other protocols are a nice-to-have and might be useful for future purchase decisions.
Well, I have had my Jumper T12 plus for about two weeks. Still learning OpenTx. However, with this radio I have noticed a throttle calibration problem between BetaFlight and the Tx. The radio is full normal range like any other TX. What 900 to 2000 input. Think I'm off. But Betaflight says the Tx is not going through the full range. Maybe there is a communication problem or just a calibration problem. Still, I have a Hudsan? Reciver on a fpv glider, and the Spectrum Rx on two planes. Also, I'm building a 2.5 FPV Maximus frame with a Flysky RX. And so far no issues with the multiprotocal module. I like the small tx and the easy portability of the tx. Plus, Im a thumber, not a pincher. So I am not bumping the switches. When you do firmware updates you just download the QX7 firmware to your sd card. And plug it back into the T12. And your off and running. Now Josh brings up its just better to get the Taranis than the T12. Hell the T12 runs on QX7 OpenTx firmware anyway. My thing is I dont like following the crowd and I like the T12 and what it offers. And I used to be a Spectrum guy.
I am new to the hobby and I bought one believing that it will be my transmitter for a while. The main reason why I bought this was that it is a multiprotocol radio. In the meantime i realized that it was a mistake. The radio itself looks a ok, considering the price itself. My problem is with its gimbals. They are not very accurate, making my learning curve a little bit difficult. As i said the biggest advantage was the multiprotocol thing around the radio... now i realized that it is not a unique thing. You just need an external module and you can convert your Taranis into a multiprotocol radio as well. The good thing is that I can reuse it’s 4in1 module in a new radio. I wish your video was released earlier. You could save some money for me :)
Yah, but the sticks on the Xlite are no good, .,, they simply don't have enough play, , and there is really no work around, or mod to correct it, At least the jumpers have longer, and deeper sticks and gimbles.
I have the old T8SG and it fits to my hands way better than a bigger transmitter. And yes the multiprotocoll-option was important because i've started with walkeera-models and don't wanted to change the receivers or even could not. So now i'm using flysky and frsky and walkeera receivers which works fine. Deviation is ok for me and after the review from UAV futures i'm not convinced that the T12 is worth a change, while the T8-Plus-version is. Maybe it is possible to swap the gimbals with hal-gimbals which are made for some other transmitter, but i don't know the sizes of those.
This with r9m or crossfire is fpv heaven. Havent turned back since! Running everything from same TX is a big plus. Oh and im a pincher, admittedly, i have small hands.
The size of the Taranis radios is a disadvantage for me. My hands are normal size and the T8SG plus I'm using suites me perfectly. My buying decision for that radio was based on where I started from. My first radio was a Turnigy Evolution but I found that the range was inferior. Because I had a bunch of Flysky receivers, the T8SG Plus gave me the flexibility to keep using Flysky and also experiment with FrSky if I wanted to. The physical size is important to me as I like the easy transportation, I tend to bundle all my gear into a backpack and jump on a push bike and go fly so a small light radio suits.
You know that the. Jumper website takes you to the Open TX where the x7 firmware is used? This is first video that I heard the "Know It All" say he didn't know! How refreshing! Love your channel!
Been a Spektrum DX7s user from the start, bought the T12 because I am an Electrical Engineer and love to tinker and wanted OpenTX. I like being able to buy the smaller inexpensive RXs, which ever is on sale without being constrained to one protocol. I screwed the sticks out to lengthen them, and as a thumber I'm very comfortable with the fit now. I have ordered the Hall-effect gimbals now that they are available separately and look forward to the slow boat arrival soon! Overall, I feel like I got my money's worth and am very satisfied with the T12.
You didn't mention the IRange module for the QX7 either, been running that for a couple of years now for both toy quads and toy planes like WL Toys, wicked fun little planes for like 35-50 bucks. I've taught kids to fly these little planes with my QX7 and it great. Even the worst crash 50 bucks.... Can't beat that.!
I didn't realise how tiny those gimbals were until you showed it next to a 'normal' sized radio. I really like how thin my Turnigy TGY-i10 TX is, on the odd occasion I use my old Cheerson CX-20 GPS quad with its TX, the bulkiness feels weird. Want to get a Nirvana TX but unsure how good/stable the firmware is right now, maybe next year.
Hint: you get hall gimbals and longer sticks for some money. Tip: be careful using AA batteries in the "cage" you get when it's delivered. After a bumb or shock against the TX they might "jump out" from there and you loose energy and model ... I had that. But I love it, though I've a colossal heavy and comfy and worthy Jeti Duplex as "main" TX. For smaller models I use the Jumper, because there are so many cheap RX you can buy. And I use it, when flying in the dunes, where I might ruin the gimbals and switches of my Jeti :-)
I've had mine for a few months now and I'm diggin it. I chopped my sticks down even lower, haha. You can access some of the gimbal screws through the JR bay, I thought that that was pretty smart.
Ordered the plus version yesterday and will be here tomorrow. The Taranis X9E I got a couple years ago is just way too big for my hands lol. Its massive.
I like the small size, but I put longer gimbal sticks on it. And I'm a thumber. Also put taranis springs in for a little better tension. But I might go with a multi-prorocol module in a taranis in the future.
So this works with Walkera whoops and more, AND is ideal for a thumber? I think it was made for me. Hall gimbles are what got my attention. The rest is a +.
I use a multi protocol module in an x9d+ because the antenna had been ripped from the internal module. Got the TX for £30 and bought a multi protocol module off someone for £20. Was very handy because I was on flysky ar the time. Even more handy because I'm in the UK and it means it's a bit easier to deal with the FCC/LBT-EU mess. I've since fixed the internal antenna (chopped one off an RX and soldered it to the tiny bit of trace that was left) and that's working okay. Still handy to have the multi protocol module for that one flysky quad I have, and the Matek F411-ONE with built in receiver is FCC protocol...
Regarding the module working in other transmitters; I'm glad I stayed around till the end. I was asking myself that question for about 20 minutes while watching the video. It really makes the module the story here, not the transmitter. I would argue it makes the J12 less desirable overall since there's not really any reason to buy it (it's a "radio" with NO radio). Just buy the module for 40 bucks, stick it in your favorite compatible transmitter and fly all those obscure models.
This is an option if you already own a radio. But for somebody starting out from scratch, the T12 is a compelling purchase since it comes with the module "free". Some people even like the T12 (go figure).
I just finished binding my T12 with crossfire micro... test coming soon. Looks like some ok TN weather the next few days! However I have 2 Jumper T8sg radios gen1 and the plus... I used to be a spectrum guy all my foamy planes are DSMx or 2. My first quad was an inductrix. When I won a Gen1 babyhawk from a UA-cam reviewer it was frsky xm+ that’s when I tried the Jumper. I love it. Almost 2 years with no issues at all. 19 aircraft bond to it and flyable even my Jessie P tiny whoop racer!!! The size took a little getting used to and a little is the right term. My Gen1 TS8G has 4 times the stick time as my DX9i and still out performs all three of my prior spectrum radios. OPENTX is taking some getting used to. Josh I watch your video on settings up the CF micro tx with the CF nano all went well cept the very last part after discover Sensors. The L09-L-11 stuff and the next page was way different. Nevertheless I will fly soon and post my findings. I may just buy a Qx7 for my crossfire quads. If it works like I hear most of my quads will go cross fire! God bless!
@Rockyfpv that is correct I forgot about that.... well I took my my T12 out today with the crossfire micro. My 600mw VTX run and I still mid 80s RSSI... more test to come... I’m glad you reminded me about the Qx7 almost bought one on RCgroup. Wonder how all the Taranis snobs... couch couch JB... feel about the “cheap junk radio” doing it better than the Qx7??? All in fun I think it’s more of what you get used to.
@rockfpv... lol No dig intended. I also do pistol instruction for security teams and you see a lot of what we call gun snobs. They have to have the biggest most popular pistol whether they can shoot it or not. They won’t even try a mid range firearm. It’s all good... Happy Thanksgiving or whatever u observe!!!
Thanks for the review. I ended up getting a qx7 and went with the irangex modual instead. I love that set up. I also picked up a r9m. Will try that at one point
I have the original t8sg with deviation, it is my first "hobby grade" radio and I have never felt the need to upgrade it. I use it to fly toy grade quads, tuny whoops, the quad I built, several planes, and even some cars and hovercrafts I have / made. There are very few rc items that I can't bind to, usually weird one off toy grade cheap toys. The only complaint I have is how annoying it is to change models in deviation. It is seriously like 8 clicks to bring up the list of models.
I really appreciate all the knowledge you put out here for us!!! Like truly appreciate all the hard work you put into making this hobby better for everyone. THANK YOU!!
Love my T8SG plus, having that multiprotocol module built in is a boon. Deviation I have grown to enjoy using. Added the voice option too :) I use Fresky , FrSky receivers mainly but have a few of the toy grade quadcopters that I can also bind to. Cross fire maybe in the future because the T8SG plus has a free JR bay just waiting to be filled :)
I guess it's a dumb question but how can I make use of 16 channels when there are no 16 switches/ pots on the transmitter? I would to use an Sbus converter.
I like the T12 huge improvement over the hubsan standard controller that came with my H123D. Now I just have to figure out how to unlock the Sport and Acro mode's.
HomeGrownCanadian I too have a fleet of JR radios, but finding bnfly micros finally got me to buy a X9 mini just for them. Spectrum stuff is harder to find.... but love my full size JR for my giant scale aircraft. That is until the FAA makes us stop flying "...........
Good review. i am begginer plane pilot and builder. i use the t8sg v2 silver and black. i have small hands and i want to getvone for my 8 years son. but t8sg is no longer on production. any advice ok where to buy the t12? none of your links for banggood are working. i hope you can help. thanks
question about remote controller...is it safe to change battery of 4 x triple a's (6v) to a lithium ion 2 x 3.7v (7.4v)? the difference is 1.4v no smoke will come out?
I decided to get the nv14 (nirvana) with an r9m, upgrading from my fs i6x, atm to me the nirvana seems to be the way to go, in terms future proofing and ergonomics, apparantly i bus is faster than s bus too, and stuff like the digital gimbals seems pretty good, btw @Joshua Bardwell , can you make a follow up video for the nirvana?
I know this is and older post, but I need help. I mistakenly flashed Taranis boot loader to my T12. Well it will not boot now obviously. Any way to fix this or do I have a paper weight? Thank You!!
Thank you for your brilliant videos Joshua. I'm new to the hobby and they are invaluable. I'm thinking of getting the Jumper T12 as my first TX. The local RC club I'm joining uses a buddy box system and use a Spektrum TX. Both the Spektrum and the Jumper have 1/8" Jacks for the buddy system. Are they compatible to use together to buddy up for training? (The trainer plane will have a Spektrum receiver onboard). Thanking you in anticipation. Rob from the UK.
Hi I have a Chinese plane which I broke the reciever pcb if I buy a similar reciever pcb how to know the the reciever stuff to connect the transmitter controller too am I on the right track with my thinking. I am just a newbie to all this stuff. So what you need to know about a reciever to bind to the controller . Cheers for any help
Thanks for the video. Humble Request... can you do a step-by-step video on how to use two radios in trainer mode for those of us teaching our kids? PLEASE?
It's just a difference of RSSI warnings, I wouldn't trust that as an Indicator. I think the jumper has a bit higher output power (70mW for the Taranis and 100mW for the jumper) Don't quote me on the exact numbers though.
Also the qx7 is so tuff i think might be one of the most durable i have beat mine up so bad and it still works so good i started with the qx7 and love dont need nothing else lol but good review the jumper is definitely interesting
Come on Bardwell! You mentioned the FrSky X-Lite but didn't mention the Vantec MPM Lite module that gives it all the multiprotocol goodness? I recently bought that combo and absolutely love it!
great video as always josh, my roommate has this TX and i would say personally do not use AA's whatsoever, the AA's sag immediately down to around the 5-6v range and the stock alarm sounds immediately. lipo is well worth the extra 10-15$.
@@JoshuaBardwell i adjusted it to its lowest for him to use without being annoyed by it to start, but he now has a lipo and it does read proper voltage with the lipo. Unsure if it really was dying that quick or not but better safe then sorry and worth mentioning. Something else worth mentioning is i had to take his left gimbal apart down to the bare hardware and molds to clean flashing out of the yaw axis it wasn't too hard as I have worked on gimbals in the past but less then ideal for a beginner.
Hi Joshua love the tutorial vids. I need to know if there is a way the Jumper T12 can send a signal to my H123D to tell it to start recording. No gopro.
BennyDawg1 you have two years to save up for a car... Good to start now! Or is mommy going to pay for all your gas and daddy give you a set a wheels? Don't get me wrong it's nice to buy stuff you like when it's budgeted. Budgeting at 14 you're already ahead of the game. Ps get the goggles upgrade over radio
@@Andrew-FKF I get your point and to be fair, I'm a car enthusiast so all I want is something cheap and stick. So yes, mommy and daddy will probably help just like they did with my brother and sister. I get your point but I'm also on the budget of budget parts. I've got an Eachine Wizard with two batteries and some Eachine Ev800D. Which I bought myself because I saved Christmas and Birthday money. But I'd say I'm experienced enough to want to upgrade. Goggle? That would be nice getting rid of my box goggles. Radio? Well, I want to get some tiny woops but my radio is a cheap of all cheap fly sky and well, tiny whoops normally don't come with fly sky receivers and most tiny whoops can't have their receivers changed. So that is the problem. Get rid of my nauseating box goggle and still be stuck with the same RTF outdated kwad. Or get a decent radio with actual decent range and be able to get multiple kwads with the same radio. Also, 89 dollars or 300 for some EV200D. I can't get fatsharks because hell no to spending 600 dollars on some goggles.
I'm in that transition from toy grade to hobby grade and this radio is perfect. Jumper keeps info I crave on the down low but they do link ya to another site that got me flying all of my powerful toy grade quads, bugs 3H, bayang x16, JXD 506G and 1 smaller Air Hogs Enterprise. Protocols aren't perfect, some including FrSky have a frequency tuning function below RxNum [bind] [rng]. Increase this value until signal loss then decrease until signal loss. Value should be set at the center. My values were 40 and -80. My setting -20. Default was 0. This 20pts got me alot more range.
Hi Joshua love your vids especially the beta flight one's. I have the T12 can I set up sport and acro modes in the flight controller for a Hubsan H123d. Thanks
I would assume those are based on the position of some aux switch but honestly I don't know which aux channel and positions would control that so it would be a bit of trial and error.
Yes the Hubsan transmitter for it has a 2 position rate switch and a 3 position mode switch. Its just such a piece of crap the sticks especially the throttle stick has no feel to it at all.
Hi Joshua, I recently bought one of the 4in1 modules for my X9D+ and after updating the firmware to get the multi protocol feature it works fine. A friend noticed in my radio and asked if it would work in his old JR 35 mHz radio and I said yes I would think so because you can select the protocol using a rotary switch on the back. In the instructions it gives the positions of the rotary switch and whether or not the green light should be on for each protocol and this where I got stuck. I can't find how to turn the green light off in order to bind with Spectrum or Futaba for instance. In the instructions it say I should select 0 and press the bind button when I initially turn on and this will cycle the green light on and off but it doesn't seem to work. Am I missing something?
To be honest, I have never used the multiprotocol module except in an OpenTX radio with full software support. I have never used the dial on the back at all.
@@whiffles It completely froze up and was stuck in usb mode. Completely unresponsive to any commands. I was finally able to reflash the firmware and that fixed the problem but I don't trust it anymore. I bought an X-Lite and put the Jumper off to the side.
good review man...just wanted to say use 2s battery youll get more range...compared to lower voltage of AA batterys.. also the scroll wheels on the side.. they do have a center position...you can barely feel the middle stop position.. but it is there...and the one you reviewed is the cheaper one.. the black one has the hall gimbals...for like 20 dollars more..and like any other product.. change that antenna.. stock antennas are crap...and also them gimbals can be loosened or tightened to your needs...and did you charge that 2s battery for the test? it showed 4.9 volts...or was that AA batteries?
The T8SG gets "unstable" with battey voltage under 5V, i guess this is the same. I would NOT recommend Eneloop or even normal batteries. A 2c lipo are the way to go.
Has anyone used the Jumper T12 with Crossfire, or used the Crossfire Module. But Jumpers Multi Protocol for Crossfire or would it be best to use Crossfire Module and reciever?
Great informative video as usual but I'm wondering, what is the difference between this multi protocol module and the multi protocol module for the Taranis?
isn't it just jumper radio being set to warn you with higher rssi ? The correct test would be to fly till fail safe kicks in then compare range... Also qx7 doesn't support full speed crossfire
Back before the Taranis existed, the Walkera Devo line of radios were the ones to have for quads. Deviation open source firmware was originally designed for those transmitters, and as best I can tell the Jumper is either a clone or copy of the Devos. We started hacking in transmitter modules from other toy quad transmitters to get more protocols, then smart folks invented the multi-protocol module. All of this was open source, then the modules started showing up on places like Banggood without proper attribution. (Hopefully Jumper is doing the open source modules and OpenTX stuff properly!) Deviation isn't that bad, just different, and not nearly as powerful as OpenTX. But, the radios weren't that powerful either so it was still awesome compared to something like Spektrum programming.
Just to add a little more history, this was around the time Soma was inventing the Warp Quad, racing quads looked more like a flying school bus, and the fun toys were "Franken Quads" built with brushed motors. We used the NanoQX FC and cheap Banggood parts to make all kinds of fun.
Hey JB, I started flying small toy grade LOS quads with a Devo 7e. I modded it to run all the protocols & added deviation. It's small but always worked well. Never had any issues with deviation, either. I liked the small size but it's gimbles are nowhere near the quality of my Frsky.
Sir can you help me to setting rssi T12 with rx flysky fs ia6b? Cause i have trouble with rssi warning. Maybe you can make a video tutorial setting rssi at jumper t12
Hey jb how I connect the radio to the simulator I got me the T16 yea I broke the radiolink AT10 ii trying to upgrade the firmware. So I bouth me the t16.
No, those switches break fairly easily! I suggest you get some actual steel switches and swap them out. As for batteries, pick up the white 2450mAh rechargeables from IKEA. They are cheap and rumor goes they are actually Eneloops! Also, if you short the top and bottom pin on the T8SG JR bay you can use CRSF as well with DeviationTX. RSSI isn't a good measure of signal quality, you can shout really loud but have a lot of noise and on the other hand you can talk normally but with clarity.
Great review, JB. 😊 As I already have the Taranis X9D Plus SE, I just bought their module. Works the same way. And, BTW, there's already multi protocol modules available for the X-Lite. 😉
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Okay! I know about the T12 Plus with Hall Effect Gimbals. No need to point it out thanks :-)
I'm thinking the Nirvana N14 with the multi-protocol module would be the ticket. But the t12 plus with hall gimbles and the price sounds good.
I just finished with two surgeries and been wanting Er thinking of getting into drones. I have flown RC helis, airplanes , cars, rock crawlers, boats. Kind of done it all except drones. Oh, well except when DJI first came out I got o e and was bored with it. I'm trying to sell my cars so I can get into drones. Anyway Josh, thanks for the review. Keep up the hard work.
I have the nirvana because this guy and sime other reviewers said it was gona be the best thing to come along in rc in 30 years well we are still waiting i love the nirvana but when will the firmware be done for it i can use it for my 5in diatone but i wanted to fly my giant scale airplanes with it too and im not gona do that till the firmware is fixed HEY JOSH DO YOU KNOW ANY MORE ABOUT THE NIRVANA
Michael Grossman Nirvana Pro coming out soon as well which is gonna address most issues and software should be on point
Try getting one to test, JB! 😊
@@nedkelley4810 t12 plus (black) is the same as the t12 (cream). Except the black has hall gimbles.
Thank you Joshua for all your reviews
The Jumper T12 is now officially supported by OpenTx since the 2.3.0 v (2019-09-27)
I honestly prefer the T8SG Plus. I like that the multi-protocol module is internal plus Deviation is much more intuitive to use. I've used both OpenTX and Deviation and it's just easier to navigate. Also, I'm an adult and I like the size of these Jumper radios. After flying with the X-Lite for a little while the larger gimbals of the T8SG Plus are refreshing. I don't even use my QX7 anymore because it's so massive. Also, Crossfire is now supported on Deviation and while it doesn't support Lua scripts the new TBS Agent will let you configure your transmitter on your desktop. Now we're just waiting for R9 support.
Whiffles wanna sale that Qx7?
I agree i have both the t12 and original t8sg and only difference is the gimbals the open tx is ok if your in to playing around with or just like to fly...
Whiffles , McOoz FPVish I've got a question for you: I just got into FPV. Got a Mobula7 and a T8SG V2. In Betaflight Configurator's Modes tab only Aux 1 and 2 are recognized. Are the rest detected for you? Right now it's rather limiting the modes I can add - Beeping being one of them.
Love my Jumper T8SG. Perfect size for using thumbs, compact for the backpack, connects to every multirotor I've ever bought, and inexpensive. Sounds like this model is a solid upgrade on it.
Thanks for the in depth unbiased review. I think you really brought out some stuff a lot of other reviewers have missed!
Keep the content coming Josh! Its definitely going to help me when I can afford to committing to getting started.
I didn't know you had a son, well i really did learn something today ;p
As did I...
JB Jr.
Same
Its easier to keep openTX Updated with how they executed the hardware.. All they do is use open TX to output PPM and Serial to the modules. If the RF chips where inside that would be a nightmare and alot of work to get right and keep it updated. This way their devs can keep everything running quite easily.
Valid point.
I have all the Jumpers. T8sg, T8SGv2, T12v2 and im in love. I love the form factor and in most cases prefer Deviation to OpenTX. I bought the first one because I thought I could just buy the cheapest receiver option for BNFs but i don't swing that way no more. As much as they are loved...I might switch to X-Lite.
I recently bought a multiprotocol module for my Q X7 because I got a brushless whoop that only runs international FrSky protocols. All my bigger quads are running FrSky EU-LBT and that way I don't have to flash my radio everytime I go whoopin. All the other protocols are a nice-to-have and might be useful for future purchase decisions.
Well, I have had my Jumper T12 plus for about two weeks. Still learning OpenTx. However, with this radio I have noticed a throttle calibration problem between BetaFlight and the Tx. The radio is full normal range like any other TX. What 900 to 2000 input. Think I'm off. But Betaflight says the Tx is not going through the full range. Maybe there is a communication problem or just a calibration problem. Still, I have a Hudsan? Reciver on a fpv glider, and the Spectrum Rx on two planes. Also, I'm building a 2.5 FPV Maximus frame with a Flysky RX. And so far no issues with the multiprotocal module. I like the small tx and the easy portability of the tx. Plus, Im a thumber, not a pincher. So I am not bumping the switches. When you do firmware updates you just download the QX7 firmware to your sd card. And plug it back into the T12. And your off and running. Now Josh brings up its just better to get the Taranis than the T12. Hell the T12 runs on QX7 OpenTx firmware anyway. My thing is I dont like following the crowd and I like the T12 and what it offers. And I used to be a Spectrum guy.
I am new to the hobby and I bought one believing that it will be my transmitter for a while.
The main reason why I bought this was that it is a multiprotocol radio. In the meantime i realized that it was a mistake.
The radio itself looks a ok, considering the price itself. My problem is with its gimbals. They are not very accurate, making my learning curve a little bit difficult.
As i said the biggest advantage was the multiprotocol thing around the radio... now i realized that it is not a unique thing. You just need an external module and you can convert your Taranis into a multiprotocol radio as well.
The good thing is that I can reuse it’s 4in1 module in a new radio.
I wish your video was released earlier. You could save some money for me :)
The X-Lite have also a Multiprotocol Module in a smaller Formfactor and you can still use the Internal Module 🙏😊
Yah, but the sticks on the Xlite are no good, .,, they simply don't have enough play, , and there is really no work around, or mod to correct it, At least the jumpers have longer, and deeper sticks and gimbles.
I have the old T8SG and it fits to my hands way better than a bigger transmitter. And yes the multiprotocoll-option was important because i've started with walkeera-models and don't wanted to change the receivers or even could not. So now i'm using flysky and frsky and walkeera receivers which works fine. Deviation is ok for me and after the review from UAV futures i'm not convinced that the T12 is worth a change, while the T8-Plus-version is.
Maybe it is possible to swap the gimbals with hal-gimbals which are made for some other transmitter, but i don't know the sizes of those.
This with r9m or crossfire is fpv heaven. Havent turned back since! Running everything from same TX is a big plus. Oh and im a pincher, admittedly, i have small hands.
The size of the Taranis radios is a disadvantage for me. My hands are normal size and the T8SG plus I'm using suites me perfectly. My buying decision for that radio was based on where I started from. My first radio was a Turnigy Evolution but I found that the range was inferior. Because I had a bunch of Flysky receivers, the T8SG Plus gave me the flexibility to keep using Flysky and also experiment with FrSky if I wanted to. The physical size is important to me as I like the easy transportation, I tend to bundle all my gear into a backpack and jump on a push bike and go fly so a small light radio suits.
I have the jumper t12 pro with the upgraded hall gimbals, and since I’m a thumb pilot, it works for my big hands lol.
You know that the. Jumper website takes you to the Open TX where the x7 firmware is used? This is first video that I heard the "Know It All" say he didn't know! How refreshing! Love your channel!
Been a Spektrum DX7s user from the start, bought the T12 because I am an Electrical Engineer and love to tinker and wanted OpenTX. I like being able to buy the smaller inexpensive RXs, which ever is on sale without being constrained to one protocol. I screwed the sticks out to lengthen them, and as a thumber I'm very comfortable with the fit now. I have ordered the Hall-effect gimbals now that they are available separately and look forward to the slow boat arrival soon! Overall, I feel like I got my money's worth and am very satisfied with the T12.
How did the gimbal switch go? I'm thinking about buying a Jumper radio as well for the ability to mess with the innards.
You didn't mention the IRange module for the QX7 either, been running that for a couple of years now for both toy quads and toy planes like WL Toys, wicked fun little planes for like 35-50 bucks. I've taught kids to fly these little planes with my QX7 and it great. Even the worst crash 50 bucks.... Can't beat that.!
I didn't realise how tiny those gimbals were until you showed it next to a 'normal' sized radio.
I really like how thin my Turnigy TGY-i10 TX is, on the odd occasion I use my old Cheerson CX-20 GPS quad with its TX, the bulkiness feels weird.
Want to get a Nirvana TX but unsure how good/stable the firmware is right now, maybe next year.
Hint: you get hall gimbals and longer sticks for some money. Tip: be careful using AA batteries in the "cage" you get when it's delivered. After a bumb or shock against the TX they might "jump out" from there and you loose energy and model ... I had that. But I love it, though I've a colossal heavy and comfy and worthy Jeti Duplex as "main" TX. For smaller models I use the Jumper, because there are so many cheap RX you can buy. And I use it, when flying in the dunes, where I might ruin the gimbals and switches of my Jeti :-)
I've had mine for a few months now and I'm diggin it. I chopped my sticks down even lower, haha. You can access some of the gimbal screws through the JR bay, I thought that that was pretty smart.
...you can also buy the Hall effect gimbals for it, they're like $15 a pop on banggood....or one of those sites
Ordered the plus version yesterday and will be here tomorrow. The Taranis X9E I got a couple years ago is just way too big for my hands lol. Its massive.
I begun with the t8sg LOOOOVED it, i now have the T12 and i'm pretty fond of it ! I have big hands and i put some foam one the side to make it larger.
I like the small size, but I put longer gimbal sticks on it. And I'm a thumber. Also put taranis springs in for a little better tension. But I might go with a multi-prorocol module in a taranis in the future.
Deviation is Devo as in Devo 7 / Walkera Runner 250 protocol.
the FC uses MultiWii.
So this works with Walkera whoops and more, AND is ideal for a thumber? I think it was made for me. Hall gimbles are what got my attention. The rest is a +.
I use a multi protocol module in an x9d+ because the antenna had been ripped from the internal module.
Got the TX for £30 and bought a multi protocol module off someone for £20.
Was very handy because I was on flysky ar the time.
Even more handy because I'm in the UK and it means it's a bit easier to deal with the FCC/LBT-EU mess.
I've since fixed the internal antenna (chopped one off an RX and soldered it to the tiny bit of trace that was left) and that's working okay. Still handy to have the multi protocol module for that one flysky quad I have, and the Matek F411-ONE with built in receiver is FCC protocol...
May I add for 35 bucks you can get a lite multi protocol module for the x-lite on Banggood
Was thinking the same thing.
Regarding the module working in other transmitters; I'm glad I stayed around till the end. I was asking myself that question for about 20 minutes while watching the video. It really makes the module the story here, not the transmitter. I would argue it makes the J12 less desirable overall since there's not really any reason to buy it (it's a "radio" with NO radio). Just buy the module for 40 bucks, stick it in your favorite compatible transmitter and fly all those obscure models.
This is an option if you already own a radio. But for somebody starting out from scratch, the T12 is a compelling purchase since it comes with the module "free". Some people even like the T12 (go figure).
I think they took one out of frsky playbook the t12 Pro has hall effect gimball's like the Taranis x9d se
I just finished binding my T12 with crossfire micro... test coming soon. Looks like some ok TN weather the next few days!
However I have 2 Jumper T8sg radios gen1 and the plus... I used to be a spectrum guy all my foamy planes are DSMx or 2.
My first quad was an inductrix. When I won a Gen1 babyhawk from a UA-cam reviewer it was frsky xm+ that’s when I tried the Jumper. I love it. Almost 2 years with no issues at all. 19 aircraft bond to it and flyable even my Jessie P tiny whoop racer!!! The size took a little getting used to and a little is the right term. My Gen1 TS8G has 4 times the stick time as my DX9i and still out performs all three of my prior spectrum radios. OPENTX is taking some getting used to. Josh I watch your video on settings up the CF micro tx with the CF nano all went well cept the very last part after discover Sensors. The L09-L-11 stuff and the next page was way different. Nevertheless I will fly soon and post my findings. I may just buy a Qx7 for my crossfire quads. If it works like I hear most of my quads will go cross fire! God bless!
Don't forget you will have to mod the qx7 to use crossfire unless frsky has corrected this problem.
@Rockyfpv that is correct I forgot about that.... well I took my my T12 out today with the crossfire micro. My 600mw VTX run and I still mid 80s RSSI... more test to come... I’m glad you reminded me about the Qx7 almost bought one on RCgroup. Wonder how all the Taranis snobs... couch couch JB... feel about the “cheap junk radio” doing it better than the Qx7???
All in fun I think it’s more of what you get used to.
Haha, guess I'm a snob, no jumper radio here, I have the qx7s crossfire modded
@rockfpv... lol No dig intended. I also do pistol instruction for security teams and you see a lot of what we call gun snobs. They have to have the biggest most popular pistol whether they can shoot it or not. They won’t even try a mid range firearm. It’s all good... Happy Thanksgiving or whatever u observe!!!
I gun snobs myself and no worries, wasn't offended, got a good laugh
Thanks for the review. I ended up getting a qx7 and went with the irangex modual instead. I love that set up. I also picked up a r9m. Will try that at one point
Cool. Do any of them support HiTec AFHSS please?
Deviation is pretty good i still use it as my main radio devo 10 multi module setup is pretty easy and fairly intuitive
I'm buying the T12 Pro. I'm using your link to RDQ JB.
I have the original t8sg with deviation, it is my first "hobby grade" radio and I have never felt the need to upgrade it. I use it to fly toy grade quads, tuny whoops, the quad I built, several planes, and even some cars and hovercrafts I have / made. There are very few rc items that I can't bind to, usually weird one off toy grade cheap toys. The only complaint I have is how annoying it is to change models in deviation. It is seriously like 8 clicks to bring up the list of models.
I really appreciate all the knowledge you put out here for us!!! Like truly appreciate all the hard work you put into making this hobby better for everyone.
THANK YOU!!
Firsties
very informative episode
Love my T8SG plus, having that multiprotocol module built in is a boon. Deviation I have grown to enjoy using. Added the voice option too :)
I use Fresky , FrSky receivers mainly but have a few of the toy grade quadcopters that I can also bind to. Cross fire maybe in the future because the T8SG plus has a free JR bay just waiting to be filled :)
I guess it's a dumb question but how can I make use of 16 channels when there are no 16 switches/ pots on the transmitter? I would to use an Sbus converter.
Small radio size could be a positive for lots of people. Switch reach can be a bit cumbersome on the frsky radios.
I have this radio in a couple days
I like the T12 huge improvement over the hubsan standard controller that came with my H123D. Now I just have to figure out how to unlock the Sport and Acro mode's.
even if I don't watch the video ( only cause I use a x10s n love it ) I stop in to hit the thumb ;)
HomeGrownCanadian I too have a fleet of JR radios, but finding bnfly micros finally got me to buy a X9 mini just for them. Spectrum stuff is harder to find.... but love my full size JR for my giant scale aircraft. That is until the FAA makes us stop flying "...........
Jumper t12 vs the ts8g plus which is better
Not mentioned. Spektrum has a patent on their protocol. If you sell spektrum, you can't sell these or any multi protocol modules.
😂 No horizon Hobby dealer is selling this thing.
I’m running deviation on a DevoF7 and I’m getting 12 channels and multi protocol as well:)
Your the best! Ya that tree needs to come down I just had to do that last week, it’s alway something.
Good review. i am begginer plane pilot and builder. i use the t8sg v2 silver and black. i have small hands and i want to getvone for my 8 years son. but t8sg is no longer on production.
any advice ok where to buy the t12? none of your links for banggood are working.
i hope you can help. thanks
Can it be flashed to deviation and back?
And wich is better opentx or deviation?
question about remote controller...is it safe to change battery of 4 x triple a's (6v) to a lithium ion 2 x 3.7v (7.4v)? the difference is 1.4v
no smoke will come out?
The radio can handle that voltage.
I decided to get the nv14 (nirvana) with an r9m, upgrading from my fs i6x, atm to me the nirvana seems to be the way to go, in terms future proofing and ergonomics, apparantly i bus is faster than s bus too, and stuff like the digital gimbals seems pretty good, btw @Joshua Bardwell , can you make a follow up video for the nirvana?
I really want to make a Nirvana followup once Underground or OpenTX releases finished firmware for it.
I know this is and older post, but I need help. I mistakenly flashed Taranis boot loader to my T12. Well it will not boot now obviously. Any way to fix this or do I have a paper weight? Thank You!!
Xlite definitely has a multi protocol module, and supports it....
It is a rebranded Devo 7e with all the upgrades installed. Same issues as the Devo 7e
Thank you for your brilliant videos Joshua. I'm new to the hobby and they are invaluable. I'm thinking of getting the Jumper T12 as my first TX. The local RC club I'm joining uses a buddy box system and use a Spektrum TX. Both the Spektrum and the Jumper have 1/8" Jacks for the buddy system. Are they compatible to use together to buddy up for training? (The trainer plane will have a Spektrum receiver onboard). Thanking you in anticipation. Rob from the UK.
Both buddybox systems output PPM signals, so it's likely they will work. However I can't be 100% sure.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thank you
It looks like a skull. Now you can't unsee it
Hi I have a Chinese plane which I broke the reciever pcb if I buy a similar reciever pcb how to know the the reciever stuff to connect the transmitter controller too am I on the right track with my thinking. I am just a newbie to all this stuff. So what you need to know about a reciever to bind to the controller . Cheers for any help
You can get multiprotocol for xlite. It's called vantac mpm.
does it do futaba fasst?
Energizer rechargeables are relatively decent. Nothing like lipos but I get about 4 hours of flight before my Qx7 starts yelling at me.
Thanks for the video. Humble Request... can you do a step-by-step video on how to use two radios in trainer mode for those of us teaching our kids? PLEASE?
That's a great idea.
Haahaha.. Joshua from the future just read my mind!! Lmao!! You rock!
It's just a difference of RSSI warnings, I wouldn't trust that as an Indicator. I think the jumper has a bit higher output power (70mW for the Taranis and 100mW for the jumper) Don't quote me on the exact numbers though.
I thinking of buying this for my child.
Does anyone know if this with work on Macs via USB for simulators? I've been searching for hours and can't find the answer.
Also the qx7 is so tuff i think might be one of the most durable i have beat mine up so bad and it still works so good i started with the qx7 and love dont need nothing else lol but good review the jumper is definitely interesting
Hello. Does t12 bind to HiTec please? Please help. Thanks heaps. CP.
I tried the T8 when it was about 60$ I use it sometime, it's small and feels a bit toyish when compared to the Spektrum and Frsky.
Come on Bardwell! You mentioned the FrSky X-Lite but didn't mention the Vantec MPM Lite module that gives it all the multiprotocol goodness? I recently bought that combo and absolutely love it!
great video as always josh, my roommate has this TX and i would say personally do not use AA's whatsoever, the AA's sag immediately down to around the 5-6v range and the stock alarm sounds immediately. lipo is well worth the extra 10-15$.
I'm really surprised to hear this. It kind of makes me wonder whether the radio is calibrated right, or the alarm threshold is set correctly.
@@JoshuaBardwell i adjusted it to its lowest for him to use without being annoyed by it to start, but he now has a lipo and it does read proper voltage with the lipo. Unsure if it really was dying that quick or not but better safe then sorry and worth mentioning. Something else worth mentioning is i had to take his left gimbal apart down to the bare hardware and molds to clean flashing out of the yaw axis it wasn't too hard as I have worked on gimbals in the past but less then ideal for a beginner.
Hi Joshua love the tutorial vids. I need to know if there is a way the Jumper T12 can send a signal to my H123D to tell it to start recording. No gopro.
Joshua, I did see DSM in the menu but didn't see the DSMX option. Will it run the DSMX?
So, the important question is does the module work on the taranis?
Yes, but you have to download the opentx firmware with the "multi" option enabled and re-flash your radio.
Well damn. Now what, do I get for Christmas? Better goggles or better radio??? The industry is moving so fast I can't keep up with my tight budget!!!
lol dont be the standard consumer. If your stuff works, chill with it. maybe save up for a new car or nicer apartment in the future...?
@@Andrew-FKF well saving up for an apartment or car is impractical because well, I'm 14.
BennyDawg1 you have two years to save up for a car... Good to start now! Or is mommy going to pay for all your gas and daddy give you a set a wheels? Don't get me wrong it's nice to buy stuff you like when it's budgeted. Budgeting at 14 you're already ahead of the game. Ps get the goggles upgrade over radio
@@Andrew-FKF I get your point and to be fair, I'm a car enthusiast so all I want is something cheap and stick. So yes, mommy and daddy will probably help just like they did with my brother and sister. I get your point but I'm also on the budget of budget parts. I've got an Eachine Wizard with two batteries and some Eachine Ev800D. Which I bought myself because I saved Christmas and Birthday money. But I'd say I'm experienced enough to want to upgrade. Goggle? That would be nice getting rid of my box goggles. Radio? Well, I want to get some tiny woops but my radio is a cheap of all cheap fly sky and well, tiny whoops normally don't come with fly sky receivers and most tiny whoops can't have their receivers changed. So that is the problem. Get rid of my nauseating box goggle and still be stuck with the same RTF outdated kwad. Or get a decent radio with actual decent range and be able to get multiple kwads with the same radio. Also, 89 dollars or 300 for some EV200D. I can't get fatsharks because hell no to spending 600 dollars on some goggles.
@@squeezablemayonnaise8904 get a opentx radio to learn something ;)
You need to try the pro version
I'm in that transition from toy grade to hobby grade and this radio is perfect. Jumper keeps info I crave on the down low but they do link ya to another site that got me flying all of my powerful toy grade quads, bugs 3H, bayang x16, JXD 506G and 1 smaller Air Hogs Enterprise. Protocols aren't perfect, some including FrSky have a frequency tuning function below RxNum [bind] [rng]. Increase this value until signal loss then decrease until signal loss. Value should be set at the center. My values were 40 and -80. My setting -20. Default was 0. This 20pts got me alot more range.
Hi Joshua love your vids especially the beta flight one's. I have the T12 can I set up sport and acro modes in the flight controller for a Hubsan H123d. Thanks
I would assume those are based on the position of some aux switch but honestly I don't know which aux channel and positions would control that so it would be a bit of trial and error.
Yes the Hubsan transmitter for it has a 2 position rate switch and a 3 position mode switch. Its just such a piece of crap the sticks especially the throttle stick has no feel to it at all.
Hi Joshua, I recently bought one of the 4in1 modules for my X9D+ and after updating the firmware to get the multi protocol feature it works fine. A friend noticed in my radio and asked if it would work in his old JR 35 mHz radio and I said yes I would think so because you can select the protocol using a rotary switch on the back. In the instructions it gives the positions of the rotary switch and whether or not the green light should be on for each protocol and this where I got stuck. I can't find how to turn the green light off in order to bind with Spectrum or Futaba for instance. In the instructions it say I should select 0 and press the bind button when I initially turn on and this will cycle the green light on and off but it doesn't seem to work. Am I missing something?
To be honest, I have never used the multiprotocol module except in an OpenTX radio with full software support. I have never used the dial on the back at all.
My jumper ts8g v2 plus lasted about 4 hours before it died. Used for sim only.
What happened to it? Mine has been going strong for months. Did you get a replacement/refund?
@@whiffles It completely froze up and was stuck in usb mode. Completely unresponsive to any commands. I was finally able to reflash the firmware and that fixed the problem but I don't trust it anymore. I bought an X-Lite and put the Jumper off to the side.
My t8sg plus v2 (second one) lasted 2 weeks then got stuck in usb mode SS3D did u fix yours
i feel like my qx7 and a spektrum module would cover all my needs.
good review man...just wanted to say use 2s battery youll get more range...compared to lower voltage of AA batterys.. also the scroll wheels on the side.. they do have a center position...you can barely feel the middle stop position.. but it is there...and the one you reviewed is the cheaper one.. the black one has the hall gimbals...for like 20 dollars more..and like any other product.. change that antenna.. stock antennas are crap...and also them gimbals can be loosened or tightened to your needs...and did you charge that 2s battery for the test? it showed 4.9 volts...or was that AA batteries?
even the inductrix BL has a separate receiver, so you could still frsky that...
Is there a link to set up Crossfire with this radio?
ua-cam.com/video/Ypn71lIu8l8/v-deo.htmlsi=JuygTaGv7sFiaMQi
awesome I've been looking for this thank you@@JoshuaBardwell
Hey know it all do you have the custom option? Models page multi-custom? I think I've updated protocols but now I think this option was already there.
Could I use the full power TBS crossfire module with this transmitter without any mods? Thanks
Yes.
I watched another video about the t8sg v2 and the person said I needed to cut the top pin. Do I need to do this to work with the full power module?
Thank You sooooooooo much,
The T8SG gets "unstable" with battey voltage under 5V, i guess this is the same. I would NOT recommend Eneloop or even normal batteries. A 2c lipo are the way to go.
If I want to buy
T12 or T8SG?
I like T12 since it runs OpenTX.
@@JoshuaBardwellThank you for your answer
Has anyone used the Jumper T12 with Crossfire, or used the Crossfire Module. But Jumpers Multi Protocol for Crossfire or would it be best to use Crossfire Module and reciever?
Anyone knows if it Support Flysky AFHDS 2A (i bus not PM). Unable to find it any where
Great informative video as usual but I'm wondering, what is the difference between this multi protocol module and the multi protocol module for the Taranis?
They are the same.
@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks for the quick reply..... You're the man ;)
isn't it just jumper radio being set to warn you with higher rssi ? The correct test would be to fly till fail safe kicks in then compare range...
Also qx7 doesn't support full speed crossfire
Back before the Taranis existed, the Walkera Devo line of radios were the ones to have for quads. Deviation open source firmware was originally designed for those transmitters, and as best I can tell the Jumper is either a clone or copy of the Devos. We started hacking in transmitter modules from other toy quad transmitters to get more protocols, then smart folks invented the multi-protocol module. All of this was open source, then the modules started showing up on places like Banggood without proper attribution. (Hopefully Jumper is doing the open source modules and OpenTX stuff properly!) Deviation isn't that bad, just different, and not nearly as powerful as OpenTX. But, the radios weren't that powerful either so it was still awesome compared to something like Spektrum programming.
Just to add a little more history, this was around the time Soma was inventing the Warp Quad, racing quads looked more like a flying school bus, and the fun toys were "Franken Quads" built with brushed motors. We used the NanoQX FC and cheap Banggood parts to make all kinds of fun.
Im still bashing with a devo 10 and 4in1 module love it been a good radio
Hey JB, I started flying small toy grade LOS quads with a Devo 7e. I modded it to run all the protocols & added deviation. It's small but always worked well. Never had any issues with deviation, either. I liked the small size but it's gimbles are nowhere near the quality of my Frsky.
Sir can you help me to setting rssi T12 with rx flysky fs ia6b? Cause i have trouble with rssi warning. Maybe you can make a video tutorial setting rssi at jumper t12
Does this video help?
ua-cam.com/video/K2-Rrgo7doA/v-deo.html
I have a multiprotocol module called irangex, I stick it on the back of my X9D and fly tiny whoop
Hey jb how I connect the radio to the simulator I got me the T16 yea I broke the radiolink AT10 ii trying to upgrade the firmware. So I bouth me the t16.
No, those switches break fairly easily! I suggest you get some actual steel switches and swap them out.
As for batteries, pick up the white 2450mAh rechargeables from IKEA. They are cheap and rumor goes they are actually Eneloops!
Also, if you short the top and bottom pin on the T8SG JR bay you can use CRSF as well with DeviationTX.
RSSI isn't a good measure of signal quality, you can shout really loud but have a lot of noise and on the other hand you can talk normally but with clarity.
Please review the happymodel mobula 7, cause I wanna buy it, but I wanna know what you think about it
Great review, JB. 😊
As I already have the Taranis X9D Plus SE, I just bought their module. Works the same way. And, BTW, there's already multi protocol modules available for the X-Lite. 😉