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What's My Line? - Arthur Godfrey; PANEL: Digby Wolfe, Peggy Cass (Apr 17, 1966)
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- MYSTERY GUEST: Arthur Godfrey
PANEL: Arlene Francis, Digby Wolfe, Peggy Cass, Bennett Cerf
NOTE: Closing credits added from an older rerun pre-GSN-credit-crunching.
Many thanks to Steve M. Russo for providing this episode in much higher quality than the version I had previously. Folks interested in high quality, well packaged, well-edited DVDs of WML (and other game shows) can contact him directly for more information at RetroTVFestival@comcast.net.
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Peggy is adorable! It’s delightful when she claps at revelation of the drum tester’s profession. She’s regularly enthusiastic and kind to everyone. Not every celebrity is this gracious.
I like how frequently she says "thank you". She's grateful to be there rather than having an attitude like she's doing everyone else a favor by her presence.
Wow, I really am missing Dorothy more than I thought that I would.
Guess what ... EVERYONE misses Dorothy !!!!
Peggy Cass is SO cute, I love her. No wonder we couldn't get enough of her on TV panels back then!
She was great on "Match Game" in the '70s. I believe she only appeared one week in 1974, but, she'd continue to make appearances on other game shows.
I used to enjoy Peggy Cass as a panelist on "To Tell the Truth" back when I was a kid or teenager, after Polly Bergen left that panel. It was only as an adult that I saw "Auntie Mame", which became one of my favorite films -- Rosalind Russell in the title role was simply marvelous -- and I think Peggy Cass as Agnes Gooch was just perfect.
In fact, Peggy was nominated for a Best Supporting Actress Oscar when she appeared in AUNTIE MAME.
On my second viewing, I notice that at 23:26 Arthur Godfrey calls John by the familiar form of his middle name: "Charlie, we're getting old." We've been told that JCD was "John" professionally and "Charlie" to friends and longtime colleagues, and this corroborates that.
All of John Daily's sons have the first name "John" with a different middle name.
So funny when Peggy Cass opens the questioning of the second challenger and starts to ask "number one". For a moment her mind had teleported back to "To Tell The Truth".
I always enjoyed Peggy Cass. She was funny, a very good game show player (one source on IMDB credits her as having an encyclopedic mind) and she was hip. When the other panelists were turning up their noses at the baby boomers music, she appreciated it and showed she was knowledgeable about the topic. I remember her quoting lyrics to "MacArthur Park" when Jimmy Webb was on TTTT and she seemed particularly infatuated with him.
But my favorite part was her repartee with Orson Bean. It was more fun watching them snipe at each other than watching Bennett and John. In fact, they were HS schoolmates. And Orson is the only one that Digby Wolfe asks Peggy to say hello to at end of this episode of WML.
IMHO she would have made an excellent regular panelist on WML. She knew the format, she was comfortable in game show settings and would have been a good counterpoint to Arlene Francis, but in a different way than Dorothy Kilgallen. But that would have meant either losing her chemistry with Orson and needing to find a replacement for her on TTTT (in essence just kicking the can down the road) or bringing both of them over to WML and then needing to find two new panelists on TTTT or having rotating guest panelists on that show (and again kicking the can down the road). (Had they brought over both Peggy and Orson, WML would have had 4 of the 5 regulars who were raised in Boston with Bennett the lone New Yorker.)
Oh well, back to the drawing board on how to replace Dorothy.
Stop talking
@@TheBatugan77 No one forces you to read it.
I never really thought that WML suffered specifically from the loss of Dorothy on the panel until I began watching these post-Dorothy episodes chronologically, back to back. They really need her incisive, intuitive questioning; they seem to strike out far more often without her than they ever did with.
I feel the opposite. I just don't miss Dorothy Kilgallen's frequently annoying questions, her frequent lack of logical reasoning in her line of questions, and the many times when she exhibited signs of QWI. Her demise was sad, all the more so because it was so unnecessary, but, given that it happened and it couldn't be changed, I think the show was just fine with two guest panelists.
I hugely admire Dorothy Kilgallen. I notice she became increasing petulant the last two or three years before her death (alcohol?) but she was extremely clever and perspicacious. She demonstrated standards that enhanced and even complemented the panel. Though she was less likeable than the other regulars, they all had their flaws. It's easy to see past Dorothy's crisp demeanour to the high standards she held for herself. I miss her on the later years of WML as she somehow gave the panel a 'steadfastness'.
Todd Brandt dorothy could really zone in on a line of questioning; she could also be annoying by deliberately stretching her on camera time to a ridiculous length. If the panel had steve allen or tony randall on, things went swimmingly. Many others, not so much.
@@ToddSF QUI? Quarterly Workforce Indicators?
Questioning While Intoxicated?
Nice to hear Arthur Godfrey address Mr Daly as Charlie. John Charles Patrick Croghan Daly was Charlie to his friends.
I love this hairstyle on Arlene; it's incredibly feminine and flattering. I wish she'd employed it more often, as lovely as always looked.
I think it looks dreadful on her. It seems to age her, and otherwise she always looked about 20 years younger than her actual age.
@@El_Ophelia yes, and having it darker than she wore it for many years was also less flattering
@@El_Ophelia
Watch your mouth
Arthur Godfrey once tried his hand at hosting game shows. He was the host of the original pilot for a Heatter-Quigley game show for CBS called "People Will Talk" (the series was then picked up by NBC, and Dennis James became the host).
Godfrey, such a huge star at the time and today totally forgotten.
his legacy aged very poorly, you are right
He was a putz. That's what happens to putzes.
The movie a Face in the Crowd was based on him. A jerk who let success go to his head.
Arthur Godfrey, like Milton Berle, was in his comeback mode. He still did his midday five day a week CBS Radio program. He hosted some sort of talent program the next year. He did act in Frank Tashlin's "The Glass Bottom Boat" this year. I saw it as a kid and thought it was hugely funny. Speaking of hugely funny, his 1952 WML appearance was one of the most funny mystery guest appearances in all history.
Arlene Francis and Ross Martin did a whole week of daytime "Password" episodes, and these aired from April 18-22, 1966.
Thank you for the upload. It surprised me but I guess this was common in 1966 that someone would light a cigarette on camera.
I still can't get over how wild Arthur's first appearance in 1952 was. Before his controversial firing of Julius La Rosa.
The audience seemed pleased and happy.
Testing drums is not a product. It's a service to the drum manufacturer. The drum manufacturer has a product.
You are way too technical.
@@RonGerstein You are apparently a PRODUCT of America's dumb-down education system
according to the book TV Game Shows by Maxene Fabe, one of Arthur Godfrey's Mystery Guest appearances almost didn't happen as he was home in his pyjamas watching TV when the show was announced as coming up next. Godfrey suddenly remembered he was supposed to be the Mystery Guest that night and raced over to the TV studio, making it just in time. It would be nice to find out which of his (at least 3 ) appearances this is in reference to.
Hard to believe that no one on the WML staff called him to find out where he was.
@@loissimmons6558 I think it was his appearance in 1952.
@@Lava1964 Of course it would have been great for Groucho Marx if Godfrey had shown up wearing pajamas.
"Last night I saw Arthur Godfrey wearing his pajamas. What he was doing in his pajamas I'll never know."
Out of all the comments about the loss of Dorothy on a game show I can only think of the loss to her family. A show is farthest from their minds.
John and Arthur in the late 1930s both worked at the CBS Radio affiliate in Washington DC. In October 1939 that station recorded a full day of its broadcast schedule. Arthur and John featured in it. Arthur was early morning radio personality. Discussing George Cukor's new film "The Women," Arthur said in that style of his, "Talk about style, wait til you see the 250 dollar nightgown in the Technicolor fashion show in "The Women." Imagine that, 250 dollars for a nightie."
John was host of a local game show, "Certified Magic Carpet," sponsored by a local bakery and following Arthur's "Sundial" morning show. The recording to which you refer was made on September 21, 1939.
Weird....as soon as I saw Don Friedman's name being chalked on the board I thought 'MUSICIAN!' because of the 70s song 'Thank Your Lucky Stars' but then I thought 'ahhh no that's DEAN Friedman!!'......thrn he turns out to be a musician anyway!! Weird.
Mr.Wolfe sang the tune"Pass Me By"for Cary Grant's next to last film"Father Goose".
he was also a vulture in Disney's "The Jungle Book"
"That's like Ringo... He doesn't play them, he tests them." LOL
And inaccurate and ignorant. This is generally, a rather anti-rock show, especially Bennett and formerly Dorothy.
I started to think about voices. I wondered why I didn't find Peggy Cass's raspy voice annoying. I came to the conclusion that she has such a likable personality and gives off so much positive energy that I can't help but like the voice that comes with it.
OTOH, Suzy Knickerbocker is glamorous. But her voice is a dull. not very feminine near monotone. And maybe it's the gossip columnist in her (although Dorothy Kilgallen didn't come across this way), but her personality comes across to me as icy cold and calculating. And that nullifies any glamour appeal she may have as far as becoming a permanent panel member.
I thought Suzy was fine. But there was one woman, can't think of her name, but she whined a lot, and was far sighted so she held her head funny (that's irrelevent, just can't recall her name), she was on Password and stuff, but I found her dreadful. She was married to Adolf something. Nasally and high pitched. I'll take Peggy or Suzy over her any day. Dang I can't recall her name.
I like Peggy Cass, her attitude, her skill. I agree with you that she would have added much to WM as a regular. But I do find her voice to be annoying.
@@El_Ophelia You are probably thinking of Phyllis Newman, who was married to Adolph Green.
Look at Arthur suddenly kiss Arlene at 23:45!
I think he leaned forwards to hear what she was saying.
Arlene blew all the stops with that dress. Wow !
The Glass Bottom Boat is one of my faves!!
When I think of Arthur Godfrey I think of Lipton tea and soup.
DOG CATCHER
TESTS DRUMS FOR A MUSICAL MANUFACTURING COMPANY
MG: ARTHUR GODFREY
An addition to my last post:
According to the CBS Television City website, the pilot was taped at CBS Television City Studio 31 in August 1962. The actual series aired from July 1 to December 27, 1963, taped at NBC Studios Burbank.
The pilot? To WML? That was in the 50's.
Bennett - you have something to do with drums. Contestant - yes. Digby Wolfe - I know what it is! It has to be CYMBALS! Nice one Dumby...I mean..Digby
Certainly ranks up there among the most obviously wrong headed comments on WML.
But he redeemed himself by guessing Aurthur Godfrey 👍
Boo for Digby! He slammed Ringo! 😡
Does anyone know what happened with John's first marriage? There's surprisingly very little available. Today everything down to his breakfast would be online. But to watch him happily married in the beginning of the show, to going through a divorce and having babies, is very odd.
It is, quite frankly, none of your damned business.
@@TheBatugan77 I concur wholeheartedly!
First time in ages anyone has smoked on the panel, Digby.
In the early episodes even John smoked...
The early kinescopes sometimes look like they were being broadcast in a fog.
+soulierinvestments There was barely 20 minutes left in the show so you wonder why in the hell he just couldn't have waited.
@@jvcomedy Chain smokers couldn't wait 20 minutes, especially if it had been awhile. Although Digby Wolfe lived to be 82, he died of cancer.
@@soulierinvestments
You're always in a fog.
Daly asks Godfrey if he has seen the rushes.
"Rushes" is another word for the filmmaking term "Dailies".
Peggy Cass is alright here. She replaced Polly Bergen on "To Tell The Truth" in March 1961.
Come to think of it, I can't decide which one was better. One thing I liked about Polly, was that she would play dumb ("I voted for so and so, but I know in my mind it's so and so").
I’m fond of both Peggy and Polly but I’ve never been a fan of the “dumb blonde” routine. It gets old pretty quickly and is a disservice to clever women who assert themselves and are judged to be aggressive because of it.
+CDU9176
Fortunately Polly put a new twist on it. She was a brunette.
I am not a fan of personalities that are vindictive types and Arthur Godfrey fits the bill.
He hated Julius Larossa because Julius had more fans than Arthur.
Digby Wolfe created Laugh In.
20:25; I was stunned.
They got to dogs eventually, but come on now--dogs both give milk (like all mammals) and can be eaten (I know we don't like to think about it here, but it happens)!
"Not in our term of references. It would only confuse the panel", as John would have said.
Digby lighting up a cigarette on the panel
He should be arrested and put in prison for life.
The drum tester's face looks like Pete Townsend
*Is it my imagination or did I hear someone in the audience boo when Arthur Godfrey signed in?*
Arthur Godfrey treated Julius LaRosa like garbage and the public did not like that.
@@RonGerstein-tf5tp For many people, that was the beginning of the end of Godfrey's career.
Technically it gives milk, they are eaten in my country and in China I believe.......
What gives milk ?
@@RonGerstein dogs
Arelene dear....its Digby WOLFE not Digby WOOD
She's beginning to have an occasional problem with names. I think this is the 3rd slip.
It's funny when panelists used to smoke on theses shows back in the day...
Godfrey was a putz.
Man it must be annoying when the person beside you suddenly starts smoking. 😩
Oh, oh! Digby Wolfe just lit up a cigarette. I thought they had stopped smoking during this show. This is two years after the Surgeon General warned Americans about the health risks of smoking.
At what point does he light up?
Yes he did!
Yes, at 8:49!
If Johnny Carson smoked on the Tonight Show for all the years up to the 1992 farewell, then smoking was still allowed.
Members of the panel smoked cigarettes in the syndicated version of WML 1968 - 1975
Godfrey was lucky I wasn't around. He'd have gotten punk-slapped on a regular basis.
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A panelist smoking!