40:22 Vueko: "I just don't want to forget about her." Endless Embrace starts playing: "I still remember you; the time we shared, the love you gave. Though everything has changed, you push me to live on" The Ending Lyrics tie in so perfectly with Episode 8! An Endless Embrace indeed!
Oh, 2 things the show doesn't make clear. These are two things people usually point out around now in the series. Since no one else seems to have done so so far, here it is. 1) The blue haired girl, who is now the one eyed hollow in the village (36:19) is named Pakkoyan; her and Vueko canonically had 'a thing' that was more clear in the manga but is incredibly subtle in the anime. The exact nature of their relationship isn't entirely clear, but knowing they had some kind of relationship is probably worth being aware of. Vueko is not aware of who Pakkoyan became, her hollow form. 2) Not all of the hollows here in this village now are people who were originally with the Ganaja squad we see in these 2 episodes. Many of them are people from much later who found themselves in this village much like Riko and the gang and have no connection with the villages origins. Moogi, and Majikaja for example are two villages who were not with the Ganaja squad originally.
What’s the threshold for people who come here turning into Hollows? How long does Riko have? Don’t explain if it’s aspoiler, just tell us it’s a spoiler 🫶
@@AnimeDateNight I would say this is difficult to exactly answer either way; but my thoughts on it are probably a bit of spoiler at this point in time. Not so much because its a true spoiler, I think a lot of the related info has already been presented, but rather because I don't want to interfere with you guys making your own theories at this stage. A sort of clue I could offer though based entirely on things that have already been presented. Riko has made decisions that have already prevented her becoming like the hollows here. Because of the nature of their forms, the hollows of the village can not leave, and Riko still can at this point in time. If I recall I'll maybe make a comment related to this idea a bit latter on.
@@AnimeDateNight Its not about how long. Its about what you wish for / what you DO. You need to consciously offer yourself and exchange yourself for protection. Or offer part of yourself. Which is why Majijaka stops Riko from doing transaction with Belaf - if she makes any sort of such trade of her body, she becomes bound to the village. He has seen many turn to hollows in the village, and doesnt want Riko to end up like that.
A few important things: Belaf also gave his memories to Iruumyui so his memories are "sealed" for now The thing about the wish granting egg, it's about how much can you concentrate in a simple wish with no thought on anything else, wich Iruumyui was not completely able to do, she wished for Vueko, kids and maybe something else. 2 eggs where put on Iruumyui, and Wazukyan put one on himself, when he gave his body to the Village it also absorbed the egg, and Iruumyui gave the 3 to Faputa, they are the 3 red gemstone-like things on her head. Wazukyan didn't care about morals and only for saving his people and continuing their journey, really awful but there was no other way, everyone would have died otherwise The art style makes it confusing, but when they reached the island where the abyss is, Vuerueruko was 20+ years old, and has not aged since then
40:53 Before giving Balaf too hard a time. They ALL willingly ate Iru's children. He was just as down and out as Vueko was, he was suspicious of where the food being given to him was from, but just like Vueko literally couldn't help himself because he was starving and dying of thirst. So, saying "willingly" is true, but also just as much compulsed by the body's will to survive.
As a note, not that it is not cruel still. This whole process I think gave Belaf something of an addiction. And as awful as it is, I think his recreation of Mitty was his way of filling the void of this addiction by only harming ONE person, rather then countless ones. An immortal body that can survive the process of being consumed, even if it's painful, is better objectively then killing however many people it would take to do that same. Again, not that its great either way, but arguably he was trying to control himself in a process he actively hated about himself as best as he could.
It wasn't explained in the anime but Belaf when he turned to hollow also partially lost his memories. He did mentioned that hr is going to give his all to irumiyui. Also I guess this is a way of Irumiyuis protecting Belaf from his guilt.
I mean, do we KNOW his memories are altered? Where is the evidence of this? There is more stuff relevant to upcoming episodes that could border being spoilers, but even still I'm not sure we can say such a thing happened.
@@golden--hand well, we DO know she took most from him, outside few certain things (in fact, apart from things he truly wished to be taken away from him). There's not much of old Belaf left in Belaf.
@@michajastrzebski4383 What I am about to say is speculation, but will contain spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen all of season 2. Again, Season 2 spoilers below. I am pretty sure ALL of the ganja were taken from as equally as Belaf. I am under the impression that the original Ganja squad when they first entered Iru were essentially left as nothing more then memories and there bodies do not exist at all. Everything here is a dream inside Iru's mind, the memories and souls of the people she knew left over assuming these false bodies where they can't actually tell the difference. Which is why its is not possible for them to exist outside of the village, because all thats left is Iru's memory of them. If Iru is gone, so are they. So, I don't think Belaf is special in this regard; but his interpretation of his own memories IS special in that his perspective of the bonds with Iru and Vueko are the most pure which is why they were probably the only memories of the Ganja that could have reached Faputa in a positive way and given perspective of their circumstances in a way Faputa could come start to come to grips with. I don't think Iru left Belaf with his memories because he was special in any particular way (in how they were taken in I mean, Belaf was special and important to Iru); I think they ALL were left with their memories. Its not like Iru took it out on Wazukyan and ripped his memories from him in retaliation right? Or modified Vueko's memories to relieve her guilt. Belaf comes to the belief that the only reason he was left with his memories, despite wanting to be effectively destroyed, was so he could give them to Faputa. But Its likely Iru never had any expectation such an encounter would even happen. This is Belaf making justification, hes making up his perspective based on what he can rationalize between his guilt and the opportunities he's being presented. Put another way he's deciding for himself his own value, giving what he has purpose. All that's left of the Ganja are souls and memories. Except Vueko who remained human. Its not lost on me that Iru took a lot from Belaf, I know that, I just have never seen it mentioned that memories from Belaf were taken until I saw two people make a similar comment about it on this video around the same time as each other. I have believed that one of the properties of the village was that that maybe Iru altered peoples minds in a way to appreciate children more. But honestly I equally think that that comes from something deeper and is actually a property of the Abyss rather then an influence of Iru in particular; and that it's related to the nature that the people here no longer have attachment to their bodies. But thats getting into a different theory I have about one of the fundamental properties and messages of the series though. To be fair. I have not technically read the volumes of the manga related to season 2 of the anime. Your first comment is saying that its not made clear in the anime which is where my question came from, I was curious specifically about this lost or altered memory. Anyway, my point being, I can see a world here Iru MIGHT have done something with memories, but that there isn't really any clear evidence in that anime, and if there is something in the manga, I don't know it but am curious. If you can provide a bit more detail. Is it something Balaf say he thinks happened? Are we shown a scene where Belaf can't recall something or is shown to have a different memory of something we see happen?
@@golden--hand thats my interpretation as well. As Majikaja says to Nanachi at the beginning - "unlike us, you are a hollow from the old ritual site. YOU HAVE REAL LIFE". All hollows in the village do not really exist. The inside mixes now no longer conscious dream with reality. Dream of a eldritch creature, once-child-now-turned-building, once called Irumyuui. And that dream contains whats left of the villagers, how SHE perceived them when they were turned, how she understood their desires and their souls, though the cradles. And they dissapear just like a dream, when one wakes up from it, once the reality bites back. Because they do not exist. They are part of a child's dream of her beloved village and home, which she wished for. Vueko was granted staying in her bubble of reality, because that was what both her and Irumyuui wished for. She was kept safe, fed, cared for and tended to, kept in place by chains of her own mentality and so - of her own making. She was always free to leave - but had no force of will to do it. It took Riko to free her from her past.
The village IS inside of Irumyuui, so Faputa’s version of freeing Irumyuui is straught up destroying her. Also, Wazukyan’s thing was kind of a moral conundrum. If he didn’t do that, all of them would be dead, probably including Irumyuui. Not just of hunger - killing the babies while they were alive cured the water disease. It’s cruel, but I personally don’t think it’s a “monster” kinda thing.
yeah, Wazukyan's, like Bondrewd, is more of a grey antagonist than a vilian. Also, notice like he never tasked anyone with the deed, other than himself. First and foremost, he's a politician and a leader for his people. If someone has to be a monster for them to survive, he'll gladly take that blame so that they can prosper. He doesnt even hold ill will towards Vueko. He's actually glad she got out of the pit. Its just my theory, but it might be that him placing her there wasnt exactly his doing / his own free will - it was one of cradles directing fate towards completion of Irumyuui's wish of never loosing Vueko, of never being apart from her.
@@michajastrzebski4383 This is a bit of a spoiler even though an amount of it is speculative. Heads up to people who haven't finished. Putting Vueko in Iru's head I'm pretty sure was meant to be a 'reward'. Wazukyan I think felt bad about things that happened to Iru, and bad that Vueko took it so hard. Also, Wazukyan obviously carried her past the barrier to the village and she was the only one that wasn't changed. He likely saw it as Iru wanting to keep Vukao as she was. That to Iru Vueko was already perfect. Allowing Vueko to live there, connected to Iru directly was something only Vueko was allowed to do. The entire Ganja squad at that point literally worshiped her like a deity; and Vueko of the three sages is the only one allowed to communicate with her? "What a privilege" they all probably thought, they had basically put her as important as the person who had kept them alive and provided them with safety. It was never about punishment or imprisonment. Vueko is the ONLY person who saw being there as a punishment. As she tells Riko, the process of getting free was simple, touch the cable and think you want it to let go. Vueko could have done it any time, but thought she deserved punishment so literately could not think about letting herself out. Until the end all she thought about was how everything bad happening was perfect because its what she believed she deserved. And she was the only one who saw it that way. She didn't see her self worthy of anything good happening and though everything bad was punishment made specifically for her. Wazukyan was glad she FINALLY came out. Its likely Veuko could have come and gone as she pleased connecting with Iru whenever she wanted. But she couldn't bear to let go of the pain, the guilt or the connection itself; until Riko cam along. I DO believe Wazukyan was influenced by the cradle in an unexpected way, but not in relation to this. The cradle had lost influence on him after entering Iru as of course she had taken it from him. But I do think he used the one on himself sooner then we are lead to believe. Specifically I think he used it on himself before ever giving Iru her second one, and that it likely influenced him and his actions between then and when Iru takes it from him. The idea to give Iru the second one (the third total used) and the idea and conviction to enact the plan to feed everyone her children likely stems from this I think. And I believe there is some evidence to back it up based on how Wazukyan behaves alone during this time.
other themes probably will be explained by others comments so i will go in one more unlikely one, "indios" or "natives"( i will use this term as the closest directly translation to the correct therm in my language so be mindful that the exact connotation or meaning may be a bit of) have somethings better understanding of local diseases and its defects that even modern medicine, coming from made in abyss i don't doubt a more nefarious explication but most of time the simplest one is the correct one. even today on many 3rd word countries have outbreaks of diseases some wich might leave Long-term effects (Don't quote me on that but if i an not mistaken having severe case "cachumba" damages testicles in formation causing mal formations on the next generation or even directly infertility). so Irumiui maybe just got one of such illness . Now on the abandonment part is very common for native populations abandon or directly kill newborn by any deformation or superstition despite availability of public services to treat or take the child. it was a problem a few couple years ago on my city. the the F.U.N.A.I.(gov agency for native people) established a system to have the medical attention done in the capital and some mothers got jailed for intentionally killing their babies, then the native populations started to refusing medical aid from the agency and this all started a whole can of worms that still developing to this day.
The translations says "when they examined". I was always under the impression it was just a physical examination in which there was some kind of deformity detected; possibly from birth or some genetic condition, an injury, or any number of other causes. Which they mention. This show likes to use lines that make people question and give a sus undertone while having a reasonable explanation. This is likely one of them. I had never considered it could have been a disease, which is believable too.
15:00 Wazukyan is the prophet. Its been a while and you are watching this weekly. But back in episode 1 when we were introduced to these guys Belaf tells us that people that follow him believe he sees visions or somehow knows events in the future having witnessed him make productions that they later see come true. This is when Belaf makes a comment essentially saying that he is just the kind of guy that even if they go and find that the Golden City doesn't exist, he'd still find it.
The entire time she was sad, I could only think about how it would only get worse and worse! And we haven't even STOPPED with the emotional punches to heart, yet!!
I think when they say 'cradle of desire' its kinda like calling it a 'monkeys paw'. meaning the wishes always have a negative side. in this case adults are too flawed to use the stones correctly, they are not pure enough in there desires...
its not even that. Its not a cradle of *wishes*. Its a cradle of *desires*. Which means that it does NOT grant what you consciously wish for. It grants your soul's desires. Which might not be exactly what you want. Thats the issue no 1. Issue no 2 is that it grants ALL desires you have all at once, using your own body as fuel. And Issue no 3 is that is only borderline compatible with human beings.
@@michajastrzebski4383 I generally agree with what you are saying. But i wouldn't say it uses the body as 'fuel' but rather the 'wishes' can only take form through your body. As in its not a magic wish granting machine, and the name "Wish Granting egg' is highly deceptive. It tries to change YOU into what you desire because it can't create what you desire from nothing, and it can not create what desire want from what is not alive-as only living things can have desires to take shape from. Your body is the only option with which the process can take shape. I agree its not a monkeys paw, but rather the more complicated and less attached from a desire to your inner core values (like a desire to be healthy, or happy) the more the relic has to warp YOU into something less YOU. Adults have complicated issues, the relic is trying to do too much and preform tasks ones body can not do on its own. I think this is all related to self-actualization or autotelic? I have struggled to fine a better way to word or think about it. The negative effects I expect really are only there if your desires are focused on externally driven desires and wants; something adults grow into basing their lives around. I'm not quite sure what you mean by your third issue. Where are you getting the idea they aren't comparable with humans? I can say I kind of vaguely agree, but I also disagree; can you clarify what you personally mean by that?
@@golden--hand as the interference units state "humans are not fit to use it" - its about what you said that human adults are internally complex and complicated as to what they want/need/desire. Children have desires that are way more basic....USUALLY. Irumyuui was forced by her life circumstances to be -emotionally and mentally - a scarred adult beyond what her physical age shows, her desires are nowhere near child-like, and she doesnt have just one pure desire either - thats why it backfires on her so badly. You know how they say that a child will burn a village to feel its warmth? Well, Irumyuui is that kid that burns themselves down in hope that village will give her that warmth. And so she becomes the village...
@@michajastrzebski4383 The interference unit specifies ADULT humans are not suited; not necessarily humans collectively. And I think their interpretation is very accurate, that the reason being as simply put, complexity. I have a theory, which I did post but was removed randomly as UA-cam is often to do, that Wazukyan actually used his cradle of desire far earlier then we are meant to believe. I won't rewrite that theory here as its not overly relevant, but In short I think he used the second one on himself before giving Iru her second one. And that despite being an adult that it worked for him, granting his 'wishes' at the time. I believe Wazukyan was not totally corrupted by it because he had a very narrow and dedicated view in what he was hoping for, and that the cradle of desire was able to fulfill it through his body without deforming him, largely because what he needed was the right frame of mind, which made its use difficult to notice. Anyway, I get what you are meaning by saying it is 'borderline compatible' and that teh use by Adult's inst't impossible. But I would possibly argue the issue is more that is is TOO compatible with humans in general instead. The fact it is able to read humans so deeply that even the person interacting with it is overwhelmed by what THEY want. Its like perfect compatibility and the issue is their own mind getting in the way of what their soul desires. Arguably its compatible with the human soul, but not the human mind and body; the part of humans that gets twisted and made complex simply by being alive and experiencing the world. Regarding Iru. Of course we can see Iru is not a normal child and her worldly whishes are much more complicated then a normal child's. However her thoughts and feelings on them remain rather simple, which is why, regardless of what we think about HOW it goes about working, the cradles of desire worked really well with her. It gave her her complicated desires in a 'generally simple' way, so to speak. Her body was changed beyond recognition, but it didn't do this tree bark thing we see happing when it corrupts the adults. It still monkey's pawed her a bit, but that's more because she wished for complex things in a simplified way rather then the relic be inherently incompatible or devious by design. Its interesting, your final sentence. You are right, but I also think the wording makes her seem a bit more selfish then she was during these events. That she destroyed herself to prevent herself from being alone, for losing connection, something to that effect I feel is the deeper meaning to it right? But I think Iru's actions show that she was actually rather selfless in her actions. Her first wish was fairly selfish, beyond her control, it was largely about being able to produce children. But her second one was more about protecting everyone by giving herself away; sorta like Belaf decided to do in return to her. I feel like she, in the end, was largely choosing to offer herself up to save and protect everyone involved and that perhaps the most selfish thing she did was unintentionally hurting Vueko; that Iru, by allowing herself to giver herself up for everyone else, left Vueko feeing guilty and responsible. Wishing to be punished despite what happened being directly tied to Iru's deepest desires, not some trick entirely out of Iru's control. Rather then burn herself to gain the warmth of others it seems to me more like she burned herself in order to provide the warmth to them. I know a lot of what I am saying and maybe how I am saying it might sounds like I'm disagreeing with you. I honestly am on board with your general perspective, I'm just trying to dive in deeper. So I hope you don't take it as me being overly-negative to your perspective :)
@@golden--hand yes, Iru is definetly very selfless, but it all stems not from just wanting to give (to an extent, since she cares deeply for the group and wishes good for them), but from longing for her lost true place (village and original family) and from fear of not being accepted, fear of being rejected yet again. She gives her everything because she thinks/feels that its the only way to not be thrown away. As the interference units say, her fear is much closer to the source. Her fear is what drives her, her desires, her wishes.
40:22 Vueko: "I just don't want to forget about her."
Endless Embrace starts playing:
"I still remember you; the time we shared, the love you gave. Though everything has changed, you push me to live on"
The Ending Lyrics tie in so perfectly with Episode 8!
An Endless Embrace indeed!
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@@AnimeDateNight and there's another coupling that this song is about, in a way (that being Pakkoyan-Vueko)
Oh, 2 things the show doesn't make clear. These are two things people usually point out around now in the series. Since no one else seems to have done so so far, here it is.
1) The blue haired girl, who is now the one eyed hollow in the village (36:19) is named Pakkoyan; her and Vueko canonically had 'a thing' that was more clear in the manga but is incredibly subtle in the anime. The exact nature of their relationship isn't entirely clear, but knowing they had some kind of relationship is probably worth being aware of. Vueko is not aware of who Pakkoyan became, her hollow form.
2) Not all of the hollows here in this village now are people who were originally with the Ganaja squad we see in these 2 episodes. Many of them are people from much later who found themselves in this village much like Riko and the gang and have no connection with the villages origins. Moogi, and Majikaja for example are two villages who were not with the Ganaja squad originally.
What’s the threshold for people who come here turning into Hollows? How long does Riko have? Don’t explain if it’s aspoiler, just tell us it’s a spoiler 🫶
@@AnimeDateNight I would say this is difficult to exactly answer either way; but my thoughts on it are probably a bit of spoiler at this point in time. Not so much because its a true spoiler, I think a lot of the related info has already been presented, but rather because I don't want to interfere with you guys making your own theories at this stage.
A sort of clue I could offer though based entirely on things that have already been presented. Riko has made decisions that have already prevented her becoming like the hollows here. Because of the nature of their forms, the hollows of the village can not leave, and Riko still can at this point in time.
If I recall I'll maybe make a comment related to this idea a bit latter on.
@@AnimeDateNight Its not about how long. Its about what you wish for / what you DO. You need to consciously offer yourself and exchange yourself for protection. Or offer part of yourself. Which is why Majijaka stops Riko from doing transaction with Belaf - if she makes any sort of such trade of her body, she becomes bound to the village. He has seen many turn to hollows in the village, and doesnt want Riko to end up like that.
A few important things: Belaf also gave his memories to Iruumyui so his memories are "sealed" for now
The thing about the wish granting egg, it's about how much can you concentrate in a simple wish with no thought on anything else, wich Iruumyui was not completely able to do, she wished for Vueko, kids and maybe something else.
2 eggs where put on Iruumyui, and Wazukyan put one on himself, when he gave his body to the Village it also absorbed the egg, and Iruumyui gave the 3 to Faputa, they are the 3 red gemstone-like things on her head.
Wazukyan didn't care about morals and only for saving his people and continuing their journey, really awful but there was no other way, everyone would have died otherwise
The art style makes it confusing, but when they reached the island where the abyss is, Vuerueruko was 20+ years old, and has not aged since then
40:53 Before giving Balaf too hard a time. They ALL willingly ate Iru's children. He was just as down and out as Vueko was, he was suspicious of where the food being given to him was from, but just like Vueko literally couldn't help himself because he was starving and dying of thirst. So, saying "willingly" is true, but also just as much compulsed by the body's will to survive.
As a note, not that it is not cruel still. This whole process I think gave Belaf something of an addiction. And as awful as it is, I think his recreation of Mitty was his way of filling the void of this addiction by only harming ONE person, rather then countless ones. An immortal body that can survive the process of being consumed, even if it's painful, is better objectively then killing however many people it would take to do that same.
Again, not that its great either way, but arguably he was trying to control himself in a process he actively hated about himself as best as he could.
It wasn't explained in the anime but Belaf when he turned to hollow also partially lost his memories. He did mentioned that hr is going to give his all to irumiyui. Also I guess this is a way of Irumiyuis protecting Belaf from his guilt.
I mean, do we KNOW his memories are altered? Where is the evidence of this?
There is more stuff relevant to upcoming episodes that could border being spoilers, but even still I'm not sure we can say such a thing happened.
@@golden--hand well, we DO know she took most from him, outside few certain things (in fact, apart from things he truly wished to be taken away from him). There's not much of old Belaf left in Belaf.
@@michajastrzebski4383 What I am about to say is speculation, but will contain spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen all of season 2.
Again, Season 2 spoilers below.
I am pretty sure ALL of the ganja were taken from as equally as Belaf. I am under the impression that the original Ganja squad when they first entered Iru were essentially left as nothing more then memories and there bodies do not exist at all. Everything here is a dream inside Iru's mind, the memories and souls of the people she knew left over assuming these false bodies where they can't actually tell the difference. Which is why its is not possible for them to exist outside of the village, because all thats left is Iru's memory of them. If Iru is gone, so are they.
So, I don't think Belaf is special in this regard; but his interpretation of his own memories IS special in that his perspective of the bonds with Iru and Vueko are the most pure which is why they were probably the only memories of the Ganja that could have reached Faputa in a positive way and given perspective of their circumstances in a way Faputa could come start to come to grips with.
I don't think Iru left Belaf with his memories because he was special in any particular way (in how they were taken in I mean, Belaf was special and important to Iru); I think they ALL were left with their memories. Its not like Iru took it out on Wazukyan and ripped his memories from him in retaliation right? Or modified Vueko's memories to relieve her guilt. Belaf comes to the belief that the only reason he was left with his memories, despite wanting to be effectively destroyed, was so he could give them to Faputa. But Its likely Iru never had any expectation such an encounter would even happen. This is Belaf making justification, hes making up his perspective based on what he can rationalize between his guilt and the opportunities he's being presented. Put another way he's deciding for himself his own value, giving what he has purpose.
All that's left of the Ganja are souls and memories. Except Vueko who remained human.
Its not lost on me that Iru took a lot from Belaf, I know that, I just have never seen it mentioned that memories from Belaf were taken until I saw two people make a similar comment about it on this video around the same time as each other. I have believed that one of the properties of the village was that that maybe Iru altered peoples minds in a way to appreciate children more. But honestly I equally think that that comes from something deeper and is actually a property of the Abyss rather then an influence of Iru in particular; and that it's related to the nature that the people here no longer have attachment to their bodies. But thats getting into a different theory I have about one of the fundamental properties and messages of the series though.
To be fair. I have not technically read the volumes of the manga related to season 2 of the anime. Your first comment is saying that its not made clear in the anime which is where my question came from, I was curious specifically about this lost or altered memory.
Anyway, my point being, I can see a world here Iru MIGHT have done something with memories, but that there isn't really any clear evidence in that anime, and if there is something in the manga, I don't know it but am curious. If you can provide a bit more detail. Is it something Balaf say he thinks happened? Are we shown a scene where Belaf can't recall something or is shown to have a different memory of something we see happen?
@@golden--hand thats my interpretation as well. As Majikaja says to Nanachi at the beginning - "unlike us, you are a hollow from the old ritual site. YOU HAVE REAL LIFE".
All hollows in the village do not really exist. The inside mixes now no longer conscious dream with reality. Dream of a eldritch creature, once-child-now-turned-building, once called Irumyuui. And that dream contains whats left of the villagers, how SHE perceived them when they were turned, how she understood their desires and their souls, though the cradles.
And they dissapear just like a dream, when one wakes up from it, once the reality bites back. Because they do not exist. They are part of a child's dream of her beloved village and home, which she wished for.
Vueko was granted staying in her bubble of reality, because that was what both her and Irumyuui wished for. She was kept safe, fed, cared for and tended to, kept in place by chains of her own mentality and so - of her own making. She was always free to leave - but had no force of will to do it. It took Riko to free her from her past.
@@golden--hand they are not altered, but rather taken from him. Only a little remained, by Irumyuui's decision, with a certain goal in mind.
Not the Hollow joke at the end 😂
The village IS inside of Irumyuui, so Faputa’s version of freeing Irumyuui is straught up destroying her.
Also, Wazukyan’s thing was kind of a moral conundrum. If he didn’t do that, all of them would be dead, probably including Irumyuui. Not just of hunger - killing the babies while they were alive cured the water disease. It’s cruel, but I personally don’t think it’s a “monster” kinda thing.
yeah, Wazukyan's, like Bondrewd, is more of a grey antagonist than a vilian. Also, notice like he never tasked anyone with the deed, other than himself. First and foremost, he's a politician and a leader for his people. If someone has to be a monster for them to survive, he'll gladly take that blame so that they can prosper.
He doesnt even hold ill will towards Vueko. He's actually glad she got out of the pit. Its just my theory, but it might be that him placing her there wasnt exactly his doing / his own free will - it was one of cradles directing fate towards completion of Irumyuui's wish of never loosing Vueko, of never being apart from her.
@@michajastrzebski4383 This is a bit of a spoiler even though an amount of it is speculative. Heads up to people who haven't finished.
Putting Vueko in Iru's head I'm pretty sure was meant to be a 'reward'. Wazukyan I think felt bad about things that happened to Iru, and bad that Vueko took it so hard. Also, Wazukyan obviously carried her past the barrier to the village and she was the only one that wasn't changed. He likely saw it as Iru wanting to keep Vukao as she was. That to Iru Vueko was already perfect.
Allowing Vueko to live there, connected to Iru directly was something only Vueko was allowed to do. The entire Ganja squad at that point literally worshiped her like a deity; and Vueko of the three sages is the only one allowed to communicate with her? "What a privilege" they all probably thought, they had basically put her as important as the person who had kept them alive and provided them with safety. It was never about punishment or imprisonment.
Vueko is the ONLY person who saw being there as a punishment. As she tells Riko, the process of getting free was simple, touch the cable and think you want it to let go. Vueko could have done it any time, but thought she deserved punishment so literately could not think about letting herself out. Until the end all she thought about was how everything bad happening was perfect because its what she believed she deserved. And she was the only one who saw it that way. She didn't see her self worthy of anything good happening and though everything bad was punishment made specifically for her.
Wazukyan was glad she FINALLY came out. Its likely Veuko could have come and gone as she pleased connecting with Iru whenever she wanted. But she couldn't bear to let go of the pain, the guilt or the connection itself; until Riko cam along.
I DO believe Wazukyan was influenced by the cradle in an unexpected way, but not in relation to this. The cradle had lost influence on him after entering Iru as of course she had taken it from him. But I do think he used the one on himself sooner then we are lead to believe. Specifically I think he used it on himself before ever giving Iru her second one, and that it likely influenced him and his actions between then and when Iru takes it from him. The idea to give Iru the second one (the third total used) and the idea and conviction to enact the plan to feed everyone her children likely stems from this I think. And I believe there is some evidence to back it up based on how Wazukyan behaves alone during this time.
other themes probably will be explained by others comments so i will go in one more unlikely one, "indios" or "natives"( i will use this term as the closest directly translation to the correct therm in my language so be mindful that the exact connotation or meaning may be a bit of) have somethings better understanding of local diseases and its defects that even modern medicine, coming from made in abyss i don't doubt a more nefarious explication but most of time the simplest one is the correct one. even today on many 3rd word countries have outbreaks of diseases some wich might leave Long-term effects (Don't quote me on that but if i an not mistaken having severe case "cachumba" damages testicles in formation causing mal formations on the next generation or even directly infertility). so Irumiui maybe just got one of such illness .
Now on the abandonment part is very common for native populations abandon or directly kill newborn by any deformation or superstition despite availability of public services to treat or take the child. it was a problem a few couple years ago on my city. the the F.U.N.A.I.(gov agency for native people) established a system to have the medical attention done in the capital and some mothers got jailed for intentionally killing their babies, then the native populations started to refusing medical aid from the agency and this all started a whole can of worms that still developing to this day.
The translations says "when they examined". I was always under the impression it was just a physical examination in which there was some kind of deformity detected; possibly from birth or some genetic condition, an injury, or any number of other causes. Which they mention. This show likes to use lines that make people question and give a sus undertone while having a reasonable explanation. This is likely one of them.
I had never considered it could have been a disease, which is believable too.
15:00 Wazukyan is the prophet. Its been a while and you are watching this weekly. But back in episode 1 when we were introduced to these guys Belaf tells us that people that follow him believe he sees visions or somehow knows events in the future having witnessed him make productions that they later see come true. This is when Belaf makes a comment essentially saying that he is just the kind of guy that even if they go and find that the Golden City doesn't exist, he'd still find it.
Lol they don't even remember wazukyan is the propher how are you even paying attention? It's literally been mentioned multiple times.
The entire time she was sad, I could only think about how it would only get worse and worse!
And we haven't even STOPPED with the emotional punches to heart, yet!!
Heads up! The title has the wrong eps listed! It's 7-8, not 5-6!
hero status!! fixed, ty!
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I think when they say 'cradle of desire' its kinda like calling it a 'monkeys paw'. meaning the wishes always have a negative side. in this case adults are too flawed to use the stones correctly, they are not pure enough in there desires...
its not even that. Its not a cradle of *wishes*. Its a cradle of *desires*. Which means that it does NOT grant what you consciously wish for. It grants your soul's desires. Which might not be exactly what you want. Thats the issue no 1. Issue no 2 is that it grants ALL desires you have all at once, using your own body as fuel. And Issue no 3 is that is only borderline compatible with human beings.
@@michajastrzebski4383 I generally agree with what you are saying. But i wouldn't say it uses the body as 'fuel' but rather the 'wishes' can only take form through your body. As in its not a magic wish granting machine, and the name "Wish Granting egg' is highly deceptive. It tries to change YOU into what you desire because it can't create what you desire from nothing, and it can not create what desire want from what is not alive-as only living things can have desires to take shape from. Your body is the only option with which the process can take shape.
I agree its not a monkeys paw, but rather the more complicated and less attached from a desire to your inner core values (like a desire to be healthy, or happy) the more the relic has to warp YOU into something less YOU. Adults have complicated issues, the relic is trying to do too much and preform tasks ones body can not do on its own. I think this is all related to self-actualization or autotelic? I have struggled to fine a better way to word or think about it. The negative effects I expect really are only there if your desires are focused on externally driven desires and wants; something adults grow into basing their lives around.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by your third issue. Where are you getting the idea they aren't comparable with humans? I can say I kind of vaguely agree, but I also disagree; can you clarify what you personally mean by that?
@@golden--hand as the interference units state "humans are not fit to use it" - its about what you said that human adults are internally complex and complicated as to what they want/need/desire. Children have desires that are way more basic....USUALLY.
Irumyuui was forced by her life circumstances to be -emotionally and mentally - a scarred adult beyond what her physical age shows, her desires are nowhere near child-like, and she doesnt have just one pure desire either - thats why it backfires on her so badly.
You know how they say that a child will burn a village to feel its warmth? Well, Irumyuui is that kid that burns themselves down in hope that village will give her that warmth. And so she becomes the village...
@@michajastrzebski4383 The interference unit specifies ADULT humans are not suited; not necessarily humans collectively. And I think their interpretation is very accurate, that the reason being as simply put, complexity.
I have a theory, which I did post but was removed randomly as UA-cam is often to do, that Wazukyan actually used his cradle of desire far earlier then we are meant to believe. I won't rewrite that theory here as its not overly relevant, but In short I think he used the second one on himself before giving Iru her second one. And that despite being an adult that it worked for him, granting his 'wishes' at the time. I believe Wazukyan was not totally corrupted by it because he had a very narrow and dedicated view in what he was hoping for, and that the cradle of desire was able to fulfill it through his body without deforming him, largely because what he needed was the right frame of mind, which made its use difficult to notice.
Anyway, I get what you are meaning by saying it is 'borderline compatible' and that teh use by Adult's inst't impossible. But I would possibly argue the issue is more that is is TOO compatible with humans in general instead. The fact it is able to read humans so deeply that even the person interacting with it is overwhelmed by what THEY want. Its like perfect compatibility and the issue is their own mind getting in the way of what their soul desires. Arguably its compatible with the human soul, but not the human mind and body; the part of humans that gets twisted and made complex simply by being alive and experiencing the world.
Regarding Iru. Of course we can see Iru is not a normal child and her worldly whishes are much more complicated then a normal child's. However her thoughts and feelings on them remain rather simple, which is why, regardless of what we think about HOW it goes about working, the cradles of desire worked really well with her. It gave her her complicated desires in a 'generally simple' way, so to speak. Her body was changed beyond recognition, but it didn't do this tree bark thing we see happing when it corrupts the adults. It still monkey's pawed her a bit, but that's more because she wished for complex things in a simplified way rather then the relic be inherently incompatible or devious by design.
Its interesting, your final sentence. You are right, but I also think the wording makes her seem a bit more selfish then she was during these events. That she destroyed herself to prevent herself from being alone, for losing connection, something to that effect I feel is the deeper meaning to it right? But I think Iru's actions show that she was actually rather selfless in her actions. Her first wish was fairly selfish, beyond her control, it was largely about being able to produce children. But her second one was more about protecting everyone by giving herself away; sorta like Belaf decided to do in return to her. I feel like she, in the end, was largely choosing to offer herself up to save and protect everyone involved and that perhaps the most selfish thing she did was unintentionally hurting Vueko; that Iru, by allowing herself to giver herself up for everyone else, left Vueko feeing guilty and responsible. Wishing to be punished despite what happened being directly tied to Iru's deepest desires, not some trick entirely out of Iru's control. Rather then burn herself to gain the warmth of others it seems to me more like she burned herself in order to provide the warmth to them.
I know a lot of what I am saying and maybe how I am saying it might sounds like I'm disagreeing with you. I honestly am on board with your general perspective, I'm just trying to dive in deeper. So I hope you don't take it as me being overly-negative to your perspective :)
@@golden--hand yes, Iru is definetly very selfless, but it all stems not from just wanting to give (to an extent, since she cares deeply for the group and wishes good for them), but from longing for her lost true place (village and original family) and from fear of not being accepted, fear of being rejected yet again.
She gives her everything because she thinks/feels that its the only way to not be thrown away. As the interference units say, her fear is much closer to the source. Her fear is what drives her, her desires, her wishes.