What was your first AGP graphics card and what game did you buy it for? Mine was the TNT2 Ultra and I think it was Half Life that really knocked my socks off at the time :D
My 1st gaming rig was a Gateway 2000 with a Riva TNT 2 ultra 16mb along with a 12mb Voodoo II. But I still have both a Sapphire Geforce FX5900 and the Beast from Nvidia called the BFG Geforce 7800 GS OC 256mb. Both AGP and both still work just fine ^_^ My newest 2 machines have an EVGA GTX 680 ftw 4g and my newest that still rocks a RoG Strix GTX 1070ti that I plan to replace with either an RTX 3080 20g or an RX6900 AMD card depending on which lets me buy it first filthy bot using scalpers be dammed!
@@MJR_heyfunny I have a 2060 super in mine at the moment but may go to a 3070 next year with possibly a HP g2 VR headset. The 2060 works fine with my rift s at the minute. Graphics cards and performance have surely improved over 20 years hey!
4x agp really ushered in the next generation of gfx acceleration. Pci-E 16x was rediculous. I still have a 9800gtx+ 512mb for an xp system. It was the Gts 250 clocked lower. Saved around $100. It's still kicking because Evga
great vid, i'm actually in the process of setting up a 9800gtx+ a mate gave me a little while ago. its only been used a few hours, theres a long story behind it but the card is working perfectly. sadly none of the spare power supplies that ive got spare have enough pci-e power plugs for that beast! one of my other psus need to donate themselves...
Yes, I actually remember when I got my vista prebuild from Amazon I would experience computer resets and I finally realised that the stock PSU wasn't powerful enough (or just wasn't efficient enough). I think I went and put a 600watt one in or something to cure it. It's amazing how modern cards are more power efficient with much lower power draws but much more graphics horsepower. Once you've got your card up and going then put on doom3 and Crisis and see if it sweats :)
@@ByteSizeThoughts what a nightmare with a new pc! i'd be so mad. i got the power sorted, the 9800 GTX+ is absolutely fantastic. playing doom3 in 1080p with no drops. i've completely filled up a 32gb SSD in no time so i need to switch that up too :D then maybe i'll think about crysis. its gonna sweat big time :P
I still have a couple of AGP graphic cards stored in a box. the best option to use them is to buy LGA775 motherboards, they are a few of them with AGP connectors and supporting dual-core CPUs
Excellent vid as always mate. AGP is where my heart lies. The first 3D card I owned was a TNT2 Ultra Maxi Gamer Xentor 32. I think I paid £179.99 back then. I think I'm fairly on the same time line as you when it comes to nostalgia. If memory serves I'd have been playing HL, Q2 and Q3 on that. Actually, I did have a Voodoo 1 from a mate but it ran like crap on our Cyrix 100mhz so I sold that on at school. Actually, the very first accelerator I bought was a 16mb Banshee I used on my P166, then I bought the Tnt2 when I went to my Athlon Slot A K7. I forgot about the banshee. I wasn't that impressed by it and upgraded pretty quickly to the K7. It's difficult to remember exact dates of purchases back then. How are you and yours over there keeping? Are you allowed out and about yet? I'm still working from home and schools are still pretty much closed except keyworkers kids. I've made some retro PC purchases lately, but luckily the sellers were nice and will keep them till things get better before posting. I'm a wimp and I hate germs lol.
This Banshee I bought on ebay just over a year ago as it was relatively cheap and then never used it. My geforce 2 is more powerful so dont really want to install it. Though the price had doubled in the time Ive had it, I may move it on at somepoint :) The TNT2 price sounds about right. I had a part time job and spent a whole months wage on getting my TNT2! Do you remember what pack in games yours came with? Its been ok over here in NSW for a bit but there is a bit of a resurgence going on. We've been lucky so far but I think we might be heading towards another lockdown! Even so I did manage to pick up a few beige boxes this week - will try to put a video out soon
Operating systems still detect PCI Express as PCI device, because PCI Express is implemented in such a way that it will identify it self as PCI device, so it will be backwards compatible with older OS, even Windows 98. Some of the early native PCI Express graphics cards (GeForce 6 series and Radeon X300/500/800/1000 series) have Windows 98 drivers.
My first Windows PC was a hand-me-down Gateway...wow, I forget the model number. I know it had a P3 500, A CD Drive, a floppy drive, ab 8GB HDD, 64MB sDRAM and an 8MB Voodoo 2. Wow I loved that thing. I added a CDRW a year or so after getting it, along with 3 more 64MB sticks of RAM for a whopping 256MB's! After a couple of years I did pull out the old P3 along with the rest of the components to build my first desktop PC. Wow was I terrified, and eventually brought it to a PC shop to show me where to plug in the wires as I was clueless and none of the wires were labeled. I was so nervous the idea of simply tracing the wires didn't even occur to me. 2 days and $20 bucks later my new PC was up and running, but wow. I'll never forget when I first wiped it, reinstalled Windows 98 2E and put in the first disc for Baldur's Gate 1. The intro may be dated now, but oh my goodness did it blow me away. I was used to Playstation 1 graphics, but this was an entirely new level of polygon heaven. I remember looking through PC World for reviews on parts and saw a 512MB Hercules GPU which completely blew my mind. A GPU that was half a Gigabyte? Who the heck would need all that? That's crazy. For $3999.99...Yep, a kid can dream. Oh, I had the original sticker that came with the Gateway in 1998, and the MSRP was over $3000 bucks. Less than the Hercules card, but still a boatload back then. I got into POV Ray for a while as well. I recall playing with a chess piece, on angled flat ground, and a grey rectangle wall on the right running from the background to the foreground to add a more shadow to the pic. It took 5 hours to render. 1 Frame. Of a chess piece with a completely plain angled rectangle. 7 hours. Oh the power of the P3 and a Voodoo 2! Heh, and folding for cancer research. That was kinda cool as well. The next GPU I remember was a Radeon X700 Pro 256MB, but can't recall what cards I had in-between the Voodoo and that. Lol, it's bugging me. You'd think I'd remember the the GPU I used in my first build...Oh well. Anyway, nice to know why they scrapped the AGP standard. I am at a bit of a loss as to why they didn't just scale up the AGP standard, as it was far superior to PCI up to x8. Not that it matters with the tiny BUS widths for the amount of memory they are putting on cards now. 16GB with a 128GB BUS... _"Yeah, but the extra cache makes up for it and gives it an effective spe..."_ No, no it doesn't. It bottlenecks constantly at high resolutions and/or high refresh rates, as does 192 bit with 12. This overcharging while underspec'ing crucial parts of GPU's really needs to stop, but that's another story for another day.
I get what you are saying with the GPU's but its not like back in the day where the GPUs had no cache or next to no cache and a hamstrung memory bus width would decimate all hope of performance. Its not like they are putting 2GB with a 8400GS or something and it 'cant be utilized' fully. What matters is memory bandiwdth in GB/S and if today you can match or exceed yesterdays 256bit memory bus cards with a 64bit one today, then the bus width does not matter as memory tech has improved to the point to negate the bus width. And the cache helps even more, like a GTX 960 can beat the 6870 despite having less bandwidth because of the cache.
"Quake could just about be run on a 486DX4/100". Such high requirements! It'll run on a 486DX/33. It's a slideshow with sound breaking up, but it runs. It will not, however, run on a 486SX at all. If you try, it'll dump you back to DOS complaining it can't find the FPU.
@@ByteSizeThoughts I'm still old. My 1st "pc" was a TRS-80 4P. The 1st pc I ever upgraded had all ISA slots. I installed a card with a com port for an external modem.
My first was S3 trio 3D that i gott with a P2 333mhz ,32mb sdr , 8ish gb . and first one i did buy for that system, was a Nvidia Geforce 256 annihilator pro with 3d glasses 😍
when theres performance rivalries between 2 industry titans it always feels they're part of the same ciorporate umbrella and really 1 company the whole time with their designated too slow to justify closing and recouping losses they knowibly caused
Yeah these guys are a bit of a duopoly, however AMD these days are taking a bit of a lead with their CPUs. Still, the pace of performance changes in CPU clock speeds is nothing compared to 20 years ago! Though these days it's the GPUs that constantly improve in leaps and bounds every couple of years (storage speeds and pipelines too)
a 4670 or 3850/3870 would be 2008/2007 cards not 2011. And the Geforce 7 series was not 2009.. not even close.. try 2005. Did you even live through this age how could you murder the dates so bad?
It was fast at the time, faster than original PCI - its just that it didn't take many years for PCI to improve and get faster and overtake again making it obsolete.
@@yevgeni10 I think the motherboard architecture would have caused other bottlenecks giving you diminishing returns. Hopefully someone with a deeper technical understanding can chime in
One of my best PC memories was plugging in a Voodoo 3 16MB card along side my Pentium II 350MHz CPU... Until that point id struggled on, onboard graphics cards and seeing that card open up so many games was just amazing.
Thats not true about quake and the 486 dx4 100mhz.. my 486 dx4 100mhz witch had a sis motherboard had 3xpci 2xisa and 2xisa vlb and i had a ISA ess soundcard and a pci sis VGA card witch i added the extra 1mb vram totalling 2mb vram and i had 16mb system ram and it played doom and duke Nukem 3D and quake just fine!! Sure quake was at the lowest settings at 640x480 but it averaged 20fps some levels was faster others slower but not as low as 8fps lol the dx4 was a beast of cpu compared to the dx2 66 was as good as the Pentium 66mhz.. especially when you are in dos not windows 95 and it run 98 pretty well for what it was especially when i added upto 32mb system ram..
I have a PCIe to AGP adapter and an Athlon XP 2400+ with GeForce 960 and 2 GB 😁 Technically feasible but more for show than use as it doesn't do much good as the CPU is too slow. 🥱
@@ShrineOfLife My system was even featured on PC Games Hardware and Tom's Hardware. I can look up the links, but I don't know if UA-cam allows such links as comments. Because such comments are automatically removed.
What was your first AGP graphics card and what game did you buy it for? Mine was the TNT2 Ultra and I think it was Half Life that really knocked my socks off at the time :D
From ET4000 ISA 1mb to Matrox Mill. 2 PCI 4mb + Voodoo 2 addon 8 mb PCI to Voodoo 3 AGP 16 mb.....after that Geforce 4 TI 4200 AGP 64mb...
Thats a pretty solid evolution!
My 1st gaming rig was a Gateway 2000 with a Riva TNT 2 ultra 16mb along with a 12mb Voodoo II. But I still have both a Sapphire Geforce FX5900 and the Beast from Nvidia called the BFG Geforce 7800 GS OC 256mb. Both AGP and both still work just fine ^_^ My newest 2 machines have an EVGA GTX 680 ftw 4g and my newest that still rocks a RoG Strix GTX 1070ti that I plan to replace with either an RTX 3080 20g or an RX6900 AMD card depending on which lets me buy it first filthy bot using scalpers be dammed!
@@MJR_heyfunny I have a 2060 super in mine at the moment but may go to a 3070 next year with possibly a HP g2 VR headset. The 2060 works fine with my rift s at the minute.
Graphics cards and performance have surely improved over 20 years hey!
what is your favorite expansion slot... mine is ISA
4x agp really ushered in the next generation of gfx acceleration. Pci-E 16x was rediculous. I still have a 9800gtx+ 512mb for an xp system. It was the Gts 250 clocked lower. Saved around $100. It's still kicking because Evga
i wanted a video just like this while i was remembering agp slots, i got it! thanks
Nice! Glad it scratched the nostalgic itch!
great vid, i'm actually in the process of setting up a 9800gtx+ a mate gave me a little while ago. its only been used a few hours, theres a long story behind it but the card is working perfectly. sadly none of the spare power supplies that ive got spare have enough pci-e power plugs for that beast! one of my other psus need to donate themselves...
Yes, I actually remember when I got my vista prebuild from Amazon I would experience computer resets and I finally realised that the stock PSU wasn't powerful enough (or just wasn't efficient enough). I think I went and put a 600watt one in or something to cure it. It's amazing how modern cards are more power efficient with much lower power draws but much more graphics horsepower.
Once you've got your card up and going then put on doom3 and Crisis and see if it sweats :)
@@ByteSizeThoughts what a nightmare with a new pc! i'd be so mad.
i got the power sorted, the 9800 GTX+ is absolutely fantastic. playing doom3 in 1080p with no drops. i've completely filled up a 32gb SSD in no time so i need to switch that up too :D then maybe i'll think about crysis. its gonna sweat big time :P
I still have a couple of AGP graphic cards stored in a box. the best option to use them is to buy LGA775 motherboards, they are a few of them with AGP connectors and supporting dual-core CPUs
Excellent vid as always mate. AGP is where my heart lies. The first 3D card I owned was a TNT2 Ultra Maxi Gamer Xentor 32. I think I paid £179.99 back then. I think I'm fairly on the same time line as you when it comes to nostalgia. If memory serves I'd have been playing HL, Q2 and Q3 on that. Actually, I did have a Voodoo 1 from a mate but it ran like crap on our Cyrix 100mhz so I sold that on at school. Actually, the very first accelerator I bought was a 16mb Banshee I used on my P166, then I bought the Tnt2 when I went to my Athlon Slot A K7. I forgot about the banshee. I wasn't that impressed by it and upgraded pretty quickly to the K7. It's difficult to remember exact dates of purchases back then.
How are you and yours over there keeping? Are you allowed out and about yet? I'm still working from home and schools are still pretty much closed except keyworkers kids. I've made some retro PC purchases lately, but luckily the sellers were nice and will keep them till things get better before posting. I'm a wimp and I hate germs lol.
This Banshee I bought on ebay just over a year ago as it was relatively cheap and then never used it. My geforce 2 is more powerful so dont really want to install it. Though the price had doubled in the time Ive had it, I may move it on at somepoint :)
The TNT2 price sounds about right. I had a part time job and spent a whole months wage on getting my TNT2! Do you remember what pack in games yours came with?
Its been ok over here in NSW for a bit but there is a bit of a resurgence going on. We've been lucky so far but I think we might be heading towards another lockdown! Even so I did manage to pick up a few beige boxes this week - will try to put a video out soon
love old tech still got old pcs some where that work in my shed
ha, me too. I keep computers and spares in various cupboards in my house. My wife doesnt understand why I have so many :D
Operating systems still detect PCI Express as PCI device, because PCI Express is implemented in such a way that it will identify it self as PCI device, so it will be backwards compatible with older OS, even Windows 98. Some of the early native PCI Express graphics cards (GeForce 6 series and Radeon X300/500/800/1000 series) have Windows 98 drivers.
hey dude , i know you probably won't reply but i just wanna say you you're awesome. extremely good video.
Hey, thanks! :)
Windows Vista/7/8/8.1 and 10 1507 still haves support for AGP graphics cards and AGP bus. Not sure why they kept support for AGP.
My first Windows PC was a hand-me-down Gateway...wow, I forget the model number. I know it had a P3 500, A CD Drive, a floppy drive, ab 8GB HDD, 64MB sDRAM and an 8MB Voodoo 2. Wow I loved that thing. I added a CDRW a year or so after getting it, along with 3 more 64MB sticks of RAM for a whopping 256MB's! After a couple of years I did pull out the old P3 along with the rest of the components to build my first desktop PC. Wow was I terrified, and eventually brought it to a PC shop to show me where to plug in the wires as I was clueless and none of the wires were labeled. I was so nervous the idea of simply tracing the wires didn't even occur to me. 2 days and $20 bucks later my new PC was up and running, but wow. I'll never forget when I first wiped it, reinstalled Windows 98 2E and put in the first disc for Baldur's Gate 1. The intro may be dated now, but oh my goodness did it blow me away.
I was used to Playstation 1 graphics, but this was an entirely new level of polygon heaven. I remember looking through PC World for reviews on parts and saw a 512MB Hercules GPU which completely blew my mind. A GPU that was half a Gigabyte? Who the heck would need all that? That's crazy. For $3999.99...Yep, a kid can dream.
Oh, I had the original sticker that came with the Gateway in 1998, and the MSRP was over $3000 bucks. Less than the Hercules card, but still a boatload back then. I got into POV Ray for a while as well. I recall playing with a chess piece, on angled flat ground, and a grey rectangle wall on the right running from the background to the foreground to add a more shadow to the pic. It took 5 hours to render. 1 Frame. Of a chess piece with a completely plain angled rectangle. 7 hours. Oh the power of the P3 and a Voodoo 2! Heh, and folding for cancer research. That was kinda cool as well.
The next GPU I remember was a Radeon X700 Pro 256MB, but can't recall what cards I had in-between the Voodoo and that. Lol, it's bugging me. You'd think I'd remember the the GPU I used in my first build...Oh well.
Anyway, nice to know why they scrapped the AGP standard. I am at a bit of a loss as to why they didn't just scale up the AGP standard, as it was far superior to PCI up to x8. Not that it matters with the tiny BUS widths for the amount of memory they are putting on cards now. 16GB with a 128GB BUS... _"Yeah, but the extra cache makes up for it and gives it an effective spe..."_ No, no it doesn't. It bottlenecks constantly at high resolutions and/or high refresh rates, as does 192 bit with 12. This overcharging while underspec'ing crucial parts of GPU's really needs to stop, but that's another story for another day.
I get what you are saying with the GPU's but its not like back in the day where the GPUs had no cache or next to no cache and a hamstrung memory bus width would decimate all hope of performance. Its not like they are putting 2GB with a 8400GS or something and it 'cant be utilized' fully. What matters is memory bandiwdth in GB/S and if today you can match or exceed yesterdays 256bit memory bus cards with a 64bit one today, then the bus width does not matter as memory tech has improved to the point to negate the bus width. And the cache helps even more, like a GTX 960 can beat the 6870 despite having less bandwidth because of the cache.
"Quake could just about be run on a 486DX4/100".
Such high requirements! It'll run on a 486DX/33. It's a slideshow with sound breaking up, but it runs. It will not, however, run on a 486SX at all. If you try, it'll dump you back to DOS complaining it can't find the FPU.
ha - though back then people played through games on lower than 20 frames per second sometimes. We are spoilt these days for sure
My 1st PC build used a VooDoo 3 and a SoundBlaster ..... I feel old now.
you are not old, you are wise :D
@@ByteSizeThoughts I'm still old. My 1st "pc" was a TRS-80 4P. The 1st pc I ever upgraded had all ISA slots. I installed a card with a com port for an external modem.
@4:45 that's a a7600gt i had that one. it was very good at the time. but the first had to be tnt2 riva. then geforce 4, then fx5200.
What does Asus A7V8XX GPU slot does have?
My first was S3 trio 3D that i gott with a P2 333mhz ,32mb sdr , 8ish gb . and first one i did buy for that system, was a Nvidia Geforce 256 annihilator pro with 3d glasses 😍
What case are you using there?
when theres performance rivalries between 2 industry titans it always feels they're part of the same ciorporate umbrella and really 1 company the whole time with their designated too slow to justify closing and recouping losses they knowibly caused
Yeah these guys are a bit of a duopoly, however AMD these days are taking a bit of a lead with their CPUs. Still, the pace of performance changes in CPU clock speeds is nothing compared to 20 years ago! Though these days it's the GPUs that constantly improve in leaps and bounds every couple of years (storage speeds and pipelines too)
I had a GeForce 2 Ti and a 6600gt agp , goat times
Nostalgia VGA, I have Intel 740 and Riva TNT 2 32Mb with Pentium II 333 Mhz. 😁😁😁
Haha - awesome! The best years for pc gaming ;)
what WASNT fun was finding out your agp wasnt theright one
1x, 2x, 4x, 8x, and they wernt all playing friendly with all the diff gpus
Agreed! Building PC's back then meant that some expensive mistakes could be made as the standards kept advancing so quickly hey.
a 4670 or 3850/3870 would be 2008/2007 cards not 2011. And the Geforce 7 series was not 2009.. not even close.. try 2005. Did you even live through this age how could you murder the dates so bad?
So it was slow ?? so why Intel created it ?
It was fast at the time, faster than original PCI - its just that it didn't take many years for PCI to improve and get faster and overtake again making it obsolete.
@@ByteSizeThoughts So AGP can only get 8x speed ?? Why didn't they tried to research it to get more speed ??
@@yevgeni10 I think the motherboard architecture would have caused other bottlenecks giving you diminishing returns. Hopefully someone with a deeper technical understanding can chime in
@@ByteSizeThoughts hmm probably because of low power consumption .
One of my best PC memories was plugging in a Voodoo 3 16MB card along side my Pentium II 350MHz CPU... Until that point id struggled on, onboard graphics cards and seeing that card open up so many games was just amazing.
Still using a agp card.
N!ce man :)
Thats not true about quake and the 486 dx4 100mhz.. my 486 dx4 100mhz witch had a sis motherboard had 3xpci 2xisa and 2xisa vlb and i had a ISA ess soundcard and a pci sis VGA card witch i added the extra 1mb vram totalling 2mb vram and i had 16mb system ram and it played doom and duke Nukem 3D and quake just fine!! Sure quake was at the lowest settings at 640x480 but it averaged 20fps some levels was faster others slower but not as low as 8fps lol the dx4 was a beast of cpu compared to the dx2 66 was as good as the Pentium 66mhz.. especially when you are in dos not windows 95 and it run 98 pretty well for what it was especially when i added upto 32mb system ram..
That sounds like a beast of a 486 - top of the range!
False this photo acelerator
I have a PCIe to AGP adapter and an Athlon XP 2400+ with GeForce 960 and 2 GB 😁 Technically feasible but more for show than use as it doesn't do much good as the CPU is too slow. 🥱
hi chris, could you post a link to which adapter you are using with your setup? cheers!
@@ShrineOfLife My system was even featured on PC Games Hardware and Tom's Hardware. I can look up the links, but I don't know if UA-cam allows such links as comments. Because such comments are automatically removed.
Unfortunately that didn't work. The links were removed.