Cineon film log encoding is not standardised across motion picture scanners, simply because no spectral responsivity standard was ever declared by Kodak. So really cineon log is a guesstimate of what cineon log should be, the manufacturers try their best, but you will always get different results not just from scanner to scanner, but from lab to lab using the same scanners. The new film standard for a film out is ADX10 or ADX16 from the academy printing density standard defined by the academy.
@@Janken_Pro Film emulation LUTs when shooting film is really only to supply the colorist with a faithful representation of what they’ll get when they film out to print. It’s a technical LUT. If one wants to use a LUT for creative purposes, by all means do whatever you want, there are no rules there.
Great video. But its almost like it started in the middle. I wish you would have explained the first 4 nodes in detail before moving on. Now i must find another video that explains that part i guess.
You can create a LUT from a Node Tree in Resolve with Color Space Transform and the 2383 LUT. Then you can load this custom LUT inside the production monitor and set the camera color space and EOTF to match those you set in the inputs of the Color Space Transform for that LUT. Voilá.
Great lesson. Quick question about your nodes. Do you adjust white balance, primaries and grain BEFORE you apply the Rec709 node/Lut. If so, Isn't the image too flat to tell correct white balance, primaries etc? Or do you use a different order? Thanks!
I'm no expert, but I think the Rec709 LUT is always present. He just keeps that one last so he can color correct/grade over the original RAW image that retains the larger color space.
The viewer will show the final rec709 image but you'll be working upstream in the larger Log/Aces color spaces. This way you get the flexibility of Log while simultaneously seeing the final result.
Yes. And to do that, we linearise the footage. By doing this, we scrap off any curve that comes stock with the camera, preparing our footage to accept any curve we prefer to use. For instance, if you shoot on the Z CAM, Kinefinity etc etc, just use contrast and Pivot to bring your footage into the Rec709 territory. Then add the CST. -For your input Gamma select Rec709. -For your output Gamma select Linear. -Add 2 serial nodes. -Go to the last node and add the cst again. -For your input Gamma select linear -For your output Gamma select Cineon Film Log -Add a node after this and add your PFE LUT here. If you won’t to balance the footage, do it in between the 2 cst nodes. This allows you to balance in linear space. Which is equivalent to doing it in the RAW Tab as digital Cameras are linear devices. Pro tip, use the Gain control for exposure/balance changes here for perfect results. For better saturation, go to the first Cst node and select Rec709 as your input Colorspace. For your output Color Space leave it as is. That should help Cheers
One question. I shoot in Sony Slog2 and s.gamut3.cine. When I use the cst to transform the log to rec709. It gets overexposed like hell. Is there any tip for Sony slog2?
Very simple fix. Add a node at the beginning of the tree, just after your noise reduction node if you’re doing that. Then use the Film stock grading controls of contrast and Pivot. First set pivot to zero. Then drop contrast slowly until all the highlights Fall within the legal range. Trust your eyes on this one. If it looks good then it is good. There’s no right or wrong. NB: This is happening for different reasons. 1. Resolve has identified the data levels in your footage as “Video Illegal" meaning, the data levels far exceed the Rec.709 scaling. So it can’t be fixed with Lift Gamma & Gain or Video Controls 2. Your footage might have been exposed to the right. Check the histogram in Resolve and see where your middlegrey is residing So the Contrast and Pivot controls should definitely fix your problems Cheers 🥃
@@cicolas_nage Doing that will still push the exposure to the extreme bounds. Cineon and LogC are not that different so doing that conversion will get him the same results. He’ll struggle to hold all the dynamic range. Contrast and Pivot are the only viable solution. Try it and see
Hello, excellent, we don't speak English but we understood something, we will use a translator, we are beginners, according to what we understand and we saw, is there a package of 99 dollars with several powergrades? We have a sony A7iv camera, a Dji drone with D-Cinelike and soon Mavic 3 with Dlog, can these powergrades be applied to these 3 profiles of these 3 devices? And would there be a video with Spanish subtitles on how to install them and see a guide? Thank you!!!
I used ur 2383 powergrade on my flog footage and it looks better than the lut. but why in ur powergrade, the CST uses Arri log as input? like when change it to Rec 709 and Flog as input it looks bad(I mean dark and contrasty)
You don’t need to use Rec.2020 as your Display/Monitor most likely won’t display that much wider Color Space. Since the Powergrade is expecting Log-C Just prepare your footage to accept log C. To do this, add a node and add a cst. For input Gamma select F-Log. For out output Gamma select Log C. Then go to the Gallery tab and right click on the Powergrade. Then select Append node graph. That should do it
I like how calmly you present the tutorial. No obnoxious “secret sauce” slimy sales tactics here baby!!! Subscribed.
“Secret sauce” lol. We know where that comes from😂
Haha referring to quasi, the upseller.
@@kingmuhu Yeah, something about his videos rubbed me the wrong way. I guess I wasn't the only one.
Holy smokes... How has this info not been available before now... thank you so much!!
Hahah u just having been paying attention 🤣🤣🤣
This is the best color grading channel they get st8 to the point. Always supporting this
Thanks :)
@@cicolas_nage Agreed.
I cant tell what's better, the tone of the colors or the tone of the voiceover
I love the 2383 look. It's the best way to watch movies imo
Is there a way to use these, and/or rec.709 LUTs when working in a color managed, Davinci Wide Gamut workflow?
I love the mysterious music!
This tutorial is so damn helpful ,thank you so much !
This is what i have been looking for
There's no option for the Cineon Film Log in output on my resolve 18.0.3
This video showed me my own way of color correcting my v-log videos from the Lumix GH5! Thanks!
I have a question, i record with a sony aii , what color palet imput should chose for that camera? Thank You so mucho!
How would you work FilmConvert Nitrate into this workflow?
Is it redundant since it's job is also to give filmic color?
I'm unable to get the color space transform setting to popup for the nodes. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.
Same problem as you. Node effect settings are completely greyed out
Figured out the issue. It's not covered in the video but you need to add a color space transform effect. It won't show up by default.
Thanks! This helped me a lot!
do you guys planning on making videos color grading on final cut pro? please let me know
what is the procedure for files shot on rec.709?
This video is on point!
Thank you so much
does Film Emulation only works on DaVinci Resolve studio?
Cineon film log encoding is not standardised across motion picture scanners, simply because no spectral responsivity standard was ever declared by Kodak. So really cineon log is a guesstimate of what cineon log should be, the manufacturers try their best, but you will always get different results not just from scanner to scanner, but from lab to lab using the same scanners. The new film standard for a film out is ADX10 or ADX16 from the academy printing density standard defined by the academy.
Does it matter though if it gives the desired look?
@@Janken_Pro Film emulation LUTs when shooting film is really only to supply the colorist with a faithful representation of what they’ll get when they film out to print. It’s a technical LUT. If one wants to use a LUT for creative purposes, by all means do whatever you want, there are no rules there.
What’s the name of the background music?
Can I download these luts to load in my external camera monitor?
dude what a great video. thanks haha
Great video. But its almost like it started in the middle. I wish you would have explained the first 4 nodes in detail before moving on. Now i must find another video that explains that part i guess.
What camera was used?
You guys are GOATS!
How could you incorporate this into a monitor lut so you can expose for the exact look you want?
You can create a LUT from a Node Tree in Resolve with Color Space Transform and the 2383 LUT. Then you can load this custom LUT inside the production monitor and set the camera color space and EOTF to match those you set in the inputs of the Color Space Transform for that LUT. Voilá.
This is what I'm using in my newer videos Season 3 of For Everyone Acting Real
hey, I appreciate you and this. thank you
Amazing tutorial and easy to understand explanation.
P.S.
Could you please tell me the name of the font you used at 2:22?
So what is the answer to the titel question?
@@cicolas_nage as is your TouYube name.
Why are you applying the LUT after the CST while in one of your recent videos you are advising us to use it before the CST tool? Thanks :)
It look simple but Euán I need change the Spence colo from rec709 to cineon davinci don’t let me …appear disabled
Great lesson. Quick question about your nodes. Do you adjust white balance, primaries and grain BEFORE you apply the Rec709 node/Lut. If so, Isn't the image too flat to tell correct white balance, primaries etc? Or do you use a different order? Thanks!
I'm no expert, but I think the Rec709 LUT is always present. He just keeps that one last so he can color correct/grade over the original RAW image that retains the larger color space.
The viewer will show the final rec709 image but you'll be working upstream in the larger Log/Aces color spaces. This way you get the flexibility of Log while simultaneously seeing the final result.
Didn't work for me as well, using a Sony FX6 in log3cine
What happens if we’re working with a camera that isn’t an option in our cst. Is there a way to still have a starting point?
Yes. And to do that, we linearise the footage. By doing this, we scrap off any curve that comes stock with the camera, preparing our footage to accept any curve we prefer to use.
For instance, if you shoot on the Z CAM, Kinefinity etc etc, just use contrast and Pivot to bring your footage into the Rec709 territory.
Then add the CST.
-For your input Gamma select Rec709.
-For your output Gamma select Linear.
-Add 2 serial nodes.
-Go to the last node and add the cst again.
-For your input Gamma select linear
-For your output Gamma select Cineon Film Log
-Add a node after this and add your PFE LUT here.
If you won’t to balance the footage, do it in between the 2 cst nodes. This allows you to balance in linear space. Which is equivalent to doing it in the RAW Tab as digital Cameras are linear devices.
Pro tip, use the Gain control for exposure/balance changes here for perfect results.
For better saturation, go to the first Cst node and select Rec709 as your input Colorspace. For your output Color Space leave it as is.
That should help
Cheers
One question. I shoot in Sony Slog2 and s.gamut3.cine. When I use the cst to transform the log to rec709. It gets overexposed like hell. Is there any tip for Sony slog2?
Very simple fix. Add a node at the beginning of the tree, just after your noise reduction node if you’re doing that.
Then use the Film stock grading controls of contrast and Pivot.
First set pivot to zero. Then drop contrast slowly until all the highlights Fall within the legal range. Trust your eyes on this one. If it looks good then it is good. There’s no right or wrong.
NB: This is happening for different reasons.
1. Resolve has identified the data levels in your footage as “Video Illegal" meaning, the data levels far exceed the Rec.709 scaling. So it can’t be fixed with Lift Gamma & Gain or Video Controls
2. Your footage might have been exposed to the right. Check the histogram in Resolve and see where your middlegrey is residing
So the Contrast and Pivot controls should definitely fix your problems
Cheers 🥃
@@cicolas_nage Doing that will still push the exposure to the extreme bounds. Cineon and LogC are not that different so doing that conversion will get him the same results. He’ll struggle to hold all the dynamic range.
Contrast and Pivot are the only viable solution. Try it and see
Hello, excellent, we don't speak English but we understood something, we will use a translator, we are beginners, according to what we understand and we saw, is there a package of 99 dollars with several powergrades? We have a sony A7iv camera, a Dji drone with D-Cinelike and soon Mavic 3 with Dlog, can these powergrades be applied to these 3 profiles of these 3 devices? And would there be a video with Spanish subtitles on how to install them and see a guide? Thank you!!!
I used ur 2383 powergrade on my flog footage and it looks better than the lut. but why in ur powergrade, the CST uses Arri log as input? like when change it to Rec 709 and Flog as input it looks bad(I mean dark and contrasty)
Fuji Generally works in Rec 2020 Color Space, did you try using the Rec 2020 instead of Rec 709?
@@ColoristFoundry not a big difference between rec 709 nd rec 2020 for f log, probably due to my 8 bit footage
You don’t need to use Rec.2020 as your Display/Monitor most likely won’t display that much wider Color Space.
Since the Powergrade is expecting Log-C
Just prepare your footage to accept log C.
To do this, add a node and add a cst. For input Gamma select F-Log. For out output Gamma select Log C.
Then go to the Gallery tab and right click on the Powergrade. Then select Append node graph. That should do it
@@justincase8731 I am on a 10 bit hardware calibrate display
Thank a lot!!
Thank you so much
Thank you for the info. Sub
great mate
That's not our "BASIC" node tree. That's your convoluted way of doing it thinking everyone else does the same.
How else would you go around applying the LUT on footage it wasn’t meant to be applied on?
Can you do this in premier pro??????
wtf is cinematic essence, the greens ?
Great
Bg music reminds me about stranger things..😅
Interesting discussion and examples. (I found the music track a bit intrusive.)
This video is amazing but……I can’t help but feel like I’ve heard your voice on other channels…
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your rec709 looks more interesting than 2383 lut
So this video is only about selling luts. No knowledge in here.
Exactly! A LUT that comes absolutely for free within DaVinci resolve. It’s been our best selling LUT for years now! 💰💰
awesome thank you i redid a timelapse real quick using this and did a test in hdr and 709 check my channel for results
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