Pokemon Unite's Biggest Issue? *The Glaceon Problem*
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Agreed. The biggest problem in unite is the fashion tickets. I mean why even play your glaceon if your avatar isn’t dripping with swag
EXACTLY
Feel like I see Glaceon more than my own family
😂😂😂😂😂
We're all Eevees now
Call you mom
real
I have to agree
AND I FUCKING LIVE WITH MY FAMILY!
Jake launched The Goodra Effect and now The Glaceon Problem. It feels like academic research to me. The Pullitzer is right around the corner
I'm trying to get the genius grant
Yeah he stole it from reddit
@@spragelsPlagiarism is bad
he owns reddit as well so technically it’s still his theory
These actually a player going around with the name GoodraEffect now 😂
Fashion tickets? We used to call them disappointment doritos before the emblems came out.
I thought eventually older items could be bought with those unused tickets, but I should've known not to expect too much from Unite lol.
I think some of these sure-hit moves should work the reverse of Mew's boosted attack: get weaker the more they travel. It's so frustating that Glaceon gets to do so much damage and be at 0 risk for it
And you don't even have to aim with it, unlike Decidueye
yeah if the range of it's spears reduced its power a reasonable amount it would be a good enough fix to make it not OP
I'm kind of surprised it doesn't work like this. Ah it makes sense that's why haha
This fr
For me, if leave the range should stop skill, for me its a bug which they call a feature…
Every game has metas where the "easy" character gets accidentally (or intentionally) overtuned. But Unite is the only game where that overtuned character quite literally has to press 1 button for 1 frame that the person is on screen to deliver as much damage automatically as some of the most precise characters in the game. *Multiple times* this mon has been buffed to be able to do this. It's kind of insane.
and yet i don't see many UA-camrs being harsh and vocal about it... just bcuz unite characters are cute mons?
or does majority of the players being kids as compared to other mobas explains the reason for unite not caring about balancing the damn game
Those tickets point is so true... feels like no one talks about it. They could just make Eevees evolve at 5 or make them weaker, for Tyranitar it could evolve and get its second move at 8 or 7.
I'd be fine with a lvl 7 evolution TTAR. Make it a lot more fun
Wow I had the same thought about ttar lol
They should just reduce all eeveelutions stats after level 8. It's fine having really strong early game Pokemon, but it's not fair if that Pokémon keep being OP untill the end of the match.
What I think they should do is with the exception of a few things, they should roll over some fashion items to be available to purchase with these tickets. They’re constantly updating with new clothing and holo wear anyway. Why not give us easier access to the old stuff. It doesn’t even have to be all the time. Make it rotate so it always different. Like how they rotate discounts on certain licenses. And as for the exception the really nice stuff like the fully animated holo wear and the outfits that pair with it can remain as they are so Unite can still have the excuse of them wanting people to spend money.
Lv 8, definitely can't be 7 unless balance the damage output
Once you got locked by Glaceon, you dead especially when I am just an innocent Sableye strolling about
Shedinja doll and feint Cinderace. It's hilarious to play against Glaceon. Reduces quite a bit of the damage taken from it.
No sableye is innocent 😂
@@chinchillinEveryDayEveryWeeknext to Glaceon? Sableye sure is
this just made want to play glaceon more
@@VM-gy8bmforced to use an item (or worst, a Pokemon) only for a chance to counter one move. So much balanced.
the thing for me is.. we can have strong mons but pls give ample restrictions-limitations-consequences for their abilities so ppl actually can use patience and strategy to some extent. nerfs and buffs dont only have to come from dmg output numbers and cooldowns. theres alot of unique ways to do this
the other side to this is.. when they do put limits, the community immediately reverts to “this move is so bad”/ “bad release”.. “needs buffs”..”i cant OHKO anything” 😅😅
Icicle spear just needs to be cut off at a certain range,it shouldn't follow you all the way to your second tower when Glaceon is retreating to its first.
For real. I just think it’s weird that it literally chases you across the map and does insane damage from that far
Why do the Eevees need insane move speed AND get out of jail free passives?
They're designed to be terrible to play against so you buy them
Sylveon doesnt have a get out of jail free passive?
@@KawaiiMimi778 which is why it is the only eeveelution that is fun to play against and the most balanced one.
@@shreeanshmahapatra2313 Sylveon is far from fun to play against imo, it can be just as frustrating as any other Eevee ro play against.
But i just dont think it needs nerfs tbh
Leafeon doesn't have a get of jail passive
@@shubhamjohri290 yeah but it's mobility is far superior due to being a speedster
pokemon that are not easy to play plus bad players would be the combination that ruins most of the games... it also happens that most skill intensive pokemon in unite are the speedsters, whenever i see speedsters in my games, i worry a lot... it is rare to get good speedster players in my games.
I used to main talon and still am pretty good at it but I can say from experience people dont understand speedsters even in high masters and they go in rushing against the enemy and not rush the squishy like bro come on I am at 1644 now and this stupid zoro tried to fight a damn goodra instead of decidueye chilling in the back
it's actually painful to get those people as teammates, *_BUT!_* Rewarding their lack of skill with easy-win pokemon is not the answer. Obviously the devs don't want to consider the necessary solution (forcing those players to stick to standard until they get better + actually educating them in-game) but on top of that they keep nerfing pokemon that high-skill players make better than they're "supposed" to be (like cramorant).
We need to get better at pressuring TiMi and the Pokemon Company.
Until that happens there will be no real fixes.
@@idunnowhatimdoinCram got really nice buffs recently though - it’s doing great right now. As a longtime Cram main threats of nerfs do scare me to death though.
I feel like I play absol pretty well
Speedsters are skill intensive? 😂😂 thinking about braindead spammy Absols, Talonflames, Leafeons and Zeraoras
Most speedsters don't require much skill
Also meowscrada getting to be invisible just when it's about to die, it's so annoying during team fights. Being invisible has to be the most stupid passive for any pokemon in this game.
atleast you dont oneshot someone braindead with a single move and it requires you to actually outplay your opponent with meowscarada to dominate a game
@@obuyan2234 yeah that's true it does require skill to play it properly but it's still annoying lol 😂
I feel like sylveon mystical fire is exactly how you should balance a surefire hit. It still has lots of unique utility and racks up damage but it's not backbreaking
Not to mention the short range and every subsequent fire ball on the same opponent deals less damage
Not a day goes by where im not afraid theres a leafeon with leaf blade hiding in the bushes
In terms of all of the Eeveelutions in the game currently share a set of traits which makes them exceptionally meta-resistant (a.k.a. they are always viable) and safe low-risk picks:
- their moves have mid to low cooldowns, making their moves highly spammable and forgiving if you happen to misuse or mistime a move, which makes it so they require very low commitment into fights and they can simply overwhelm you with the sheer volley of burst they can spam with their moves available, making it so their aggression has very little if any down time and they can keep the offense restlessly
- their movesets have multiple mobility options, making them very nimble in-combat and out of combat, thus giving them a lot of safety in that they can scurry away and survive even the most dire situations and with the worst positioning imaginable
- their movesets consist of mostly generously ranged and wide aoe moves and point-n-click moves, requiring very little aiming skillshots or timing moves with delays or durations, again making them very forgiving and easy to use
- All of these accumulate to Eeveelutions being very safe picks that spike early into the game / they don't fall off lategame and stay consistently powerful through out the game / their movesets require low commitment with low-risk-high-reward moves and move combos / they are very incredibly efficient even with subpar skill
Don't forget the free full heal passive that forgives them for getting too close and lets them retreat (at least on three eevees that is).
They need to revert the last Glaceon buffs like 4 months ago or whenever they were. They need to revert the Ice Shard bug that they purposely brought back, again, and they need to undo the attack speed buffs. These nerfs would be a good step in the right direction.
Speedsters: I get close to my opponents and do a full combo, then their hp disappears
Eevees: *I press 2 buttons then the enemy ceases to exist.*
full Zoroark combo: spam two buttons alternately, Leafeon combo: hit by sunbeam, gengar combo: sleep and ball = one-time death, Eevees have little HP and protection except for Sylveon, but I would like to nerf the stored power of Espeon, from Glaceon it’s enough to hide in a bush
@@OFunkYO don’t try to defend eevees we both know they’re busted
@@IconicTristan Instead of thinking through tactics and a game plan, is it easier for you to whine that Glaceon is OP? It can never compare with Mewtwo and EX Pokemon in general in terms of strength and effectiveness; Glaceon is too mobile to be on par with Mewtwo’s two teleports, or Zashian’s buffs using balls
@@OFunkYOAh yes getting hit from 2 screens away by an uninterruptible move that can destroy even tanks is extremely fun. Also it's very fun when you want to ambush a glaceon but her passive just negates your cc. Stop making excuses for glaceon, everyone agrees that the pokemon is way too strong for how little skill is required to play it. And how extremely unfun it is to go up against it. There's a reason why it is always used in competitive same as leafeon. Devs love the mon so much that is barely out of meta ever. Even the most braindead speedster requires more skill than icicle spear glaceon
@@OFunkYO you can run from a zoroark. you cannot run from psystrike or icicle spear. your argument is invalid
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remember when krashy and everyone were hating on extremespeed lucario
yet i never met a good lucario player in my soloQ games
lucario got scapegoated just because top 1% players were good with it
it was at least exciting to watch, took skills to play
ok but there were also actual exploits that made it legit broken and it stayed that way for a very long time. I take the point but no, Lucario wasn't ok.
It’s early game footsies with farm is something I noticed a lot back in the day you were damm near never outscoring bro
Power creep and nerfs left Lucario in its current state, which isn't bad but it's not what it used to be and not may players know how to use it. It was a completely different meta that Lucario used to dominate, and complaints were justified. Now, meta Pokémon don't require skill at all to dominate so it makes you think Lucario's case was an exaggeration but no.
Dude Lucario was absolutely broken back then E speed did so much dmg most Pokémon had 0 chance of stopping it from free stacking or farming kills. While it did take a bit of skill, Lucario is NOT one of the most skillful Pokémon to play and especially not back then.
this person was wrong about lucario and everyone actually replied in a polite informitive manner rather than just dunking on them. Bizzare.
That's my main issue, they can run as far away as they want and they can still do all that damage. You can't sleep them, you can't stun them. Once that button has been pressed, you take ridiculous damage for no reason. It's kind of absurd.
Glaceon has a really easy fix. Make the moves do more damage (bear with me) but they get weaker the farther away you are. Kind of the reverse of Mew's boosted. There, fixed.
Good idea!
And get rid of that speed boost!
i mean, maybe pikachu is a good example for a good pokemon with a simple gameplan
its good, no doubt, but not broken
easy to use, good to use, but it doesn't just hand you the win like mewtwo y did, because you're really frail and your gameplan might become predictable
Yes pika is a great example of this done pretty well
I kinda like mage pika recently, squishy, and the AOE not busted like next-ex-pokemon for sure.
Even though its not an eeveelution dragapult seens braindead to me like just one jungle and then it outdanages everything for the time and gets to farm my stupid teammates while just holding the button
dragapult is no threat if your teammates dont feed him early on. he cant pressure any kill if people dont run in like monkeys. without a good amount of stacks for phantomforce he lacks the damage for it to be as dangerous as glaceon or even more. but in general he is braindead aswell but atleast you dont straight up lose to it by default from the beginning of the match.
@@obuyan2234 bold of you to assume the teammates I get are any good and dont feed kills
@@customlol7890 well definitely not every game. and even if. if they feed like that they would lose to any other character aswell. thats not a balancing issue of some pokemon. the problem is that the playerbase of unite consist of 90% brainless neanderthals
The real thing about Glaceon is that people seem to forget there was a period it actually wasn’t busted. Post Mew/Mime Era it had good nerfs where they didn’t cripple Icicle Spear, but it wasn’t as strong either. Then came the Eevee festival, and TiMi buffed Glaceon back to normal, they made Espeon a Ko’ing machine with Psyshock. I to this day still don’t get why AFTER THAT, TiMi faced the basic attack speed buff to Glaceon, when there’s already kits made for that. A lot of people complain about Umbreon (rightfully I suppose), but Glaceon shouldn’t be shredding my Goodra with over 1500 -2000 bonus HP+ Muddy Water. (And yes I do believe Goodra need some small nerfs too, but it says a lot when not even Goodra or Slowbro can handle it)
Also I didn't see you mention this but espeons stored power will slow you before the projectiles even hit you so it's really another staple example of timi making multiple people ask "why is it like this at all"
Not including the movement speed that espeon gets. Why of all things does that need a slow when you're already getting a speed buff?? That's like getting to land a sleep on a stunned enemy.
Don't forget about how insane the "sure hit" moves are, especially for Espeon
He's been talking about it the whole video
It's annoying in early game
It's crazy that speedsters are generally designed to take out attackers, but if you are Dodrio and the only attacker on the enemy team is Espeon . . . you are about to have a pretty bad day. At least Pika doesn't practically 1 shot the dirty bird, but he is still tough to deal with as Dodrio. The same goes for a lot of speedsters. Slows and stuns are their kryptonite.
And let me tell you about the number of times that Umbreon has mean looked me mid unite as Dodrio . . . wtf, I'm screaming across the enemy team, getting knock ups, sometimes it's on the return drill peck, causing tons of chaos, and suddenly, full stop . . . and I'm dead. Kinda over the eevee meta for real.
Think... a sure hit psychic move...
Well if the Zooroark and Outrage Dragonite is going to mini stun me to death, I might as well resort to poin-and-click sure hits to counter them
No joke, we need some updates to the holowear and fashion exchange selections
E speed lucario sitting sadly in the corner😅
Atleast it has something.. thik abt garchomp.. litrally everything was taken from him.. speed,hp,defence,damage, held items,lifesteal.. its has 4 star damage and 4 star endurance stat and still wont last 1v1 with Pikachu 😢
@@_fifty6as a garchomp main you are absolutely wrong it just requires a lot of skill to play and the stats you are crying about, all pokemons suffered nerfs its just like that nerfs are important for game balance the old lucario was stronger than mewtwo but it too recieved a lot of nerfs. I stll 1v4 or 1v5 with garchomp.I think you are a not good at garchomp
@@BurnAxe_Editz yeah i do agree with you about the skill requirements to play garchomp but when you face pokemon with sure hit attacks like glacion u can never hit that pokemon you will b slow and every attack of glacion will hit u.. if u think u can kill it with dragon rush combo with eject button noce u hit him but u wont b able to kill it unless your enemy is a newbie at glacion.. i used to go with full heal to remove the status effects and slows and i was good then they nerfed it..just like jake said glacion is a pokemon that requires low to no skill and its not like i cant 1v1 bcause i still carry my team with garchomp and for crying out loud there is a reason the stats are there ..before it was buddy barrier then focus band then muscle band it was balanced before the nerf ..the ability of garchomp is rough skin and its a useless ability unless someone hit u physically and yes i m crying bcause I am a garchomp main and any nerf to my main will hit me hard.. the Pokemon needs balancing and if the attack is high the defence should be low and and speed should b high but garchomp is slow and gets cc a lot it is a physical attacker so no long range attacks like glacion.. the dig should avoid any damage but talon can still do damage when he's underground.. i dont know if u have ever played anything other pokemon game than pokemon unite but it doesn't work like that.. garchomp has less defence, lifesteal, speed and attack speed .. and u cant hit something if u never reached that thing. He's an all-rounder and it should have enough defence attack and speed .. maybe you play with a team i dont and i know how hard it is solo with randoms.. at the end u r just a kid who has lot to learn..so..good luck
Even though those first two ticket situations arent the issue, I think they do need to add new stuff on there because those tickets are just stockpiling to not be used.
Throw ranged auto attack builds up there as well. Way too good for how easy they are to play.
Easy fix for these kinds of things is make it more rewarding at closer range and make the drop off at range feel important. At long range you should get a bonus for free-aim snipes. Decidueye is literally the posterchild for this theory, with Spirit Shackle and his passive. Halve all damage outside of a certain range, and make crits only possible within auto attack range, and all glaceon’s bs feels less annoying because now glaceon has to get closer to maximize her damage potential, which may require her passive.
Gosh I can’t believe there are really mons in this game that don’t get their 2nd move until level 9 :(
I joined during the Eevee Festival and stuck with playing them, so the eevees are my baseline of how powerful/good pokemon are “supposed” to be in the game. There are so many mons when I was starting out, that my reaction to them was something like, “yeah no way am I waiting 3+ more levels to fully evolve than I’m used to?? Wtf?? I am barely even OK with waiting 1 more level to evolve . . .”
Which I mean I’m more flexible *now* but it just sounds like so many mons need a lot of help like what many starters have gotten recently. It’d be pretty nice if “the best speedster in the game” as I’ve sometimes heard Zoroark considered, did more damage than a sure hit attacker, too ‘|D
Man... the Jonathan Myers effect... how far you gotta run to get away... and you can't block for a teammate...
Not only are they simple A press sure hit moves, but they also give you full mobility on top of that. The fact that Glaceon can just click Icicle Spear and then continue moving completely freely, avoiding potential counterattacks with ease while outputting crazy damage is what really pushes it over the top for me. Same with Mewtwo, same with Intellion liquidation, ECT. If I play a melee Pokemon I gotta stop every single time I attack. Every attack I make is a chance for the opponent to counter attack me or get a better position or kite away. But these simple sure-hit mons get to skate around the battlefield pumping out damage without any opportunity cost to their attacks. Mewtwo Y being one of the worst because even basic attacks are free.
I feel like there should be a movement penalty on such attacks at the very least. Or they just need to do way less damage, you get your silly mobility but you pay for it with damage output.
Your thumbnail on this video is on a new level in all the best ways possible!
I stared watching your channel like a month or 2 after the games release and have watched a lot of improvements in your projects over the time.
Tho I feel like the thumbnails can either be to bland or a little over the top but this one is like perfect. Very first thing I took notice of and think it helps the video a lot!
Wow, thank you!
@@spragels you're welcome! Keep up the good work!
Mewtwo doesn’t need anymore nerfs it damn near feels like a Magikrap until it megas 😂😂
The first one is so true, fashion tickets are annoying, at least bring back the deci outfit
wait we had a deci outfit?
Yep if you look at his character
@@Tyto-ATTA thought it was a battlepass i mightve missed lol.
1.)The first two things you mentioned at first should be fixed by the developers. What's the point of having Holowear Tickets and Fashion Tickets gimmick when it is not updated.
2.)I don't like the Prize Machine gimmick. Only during big events with 10 daily balls it is useful. I prefer Energy Rewards more.
3.)For me, its not Glaceon Problem but rather Glaceon In The Matrix is when pokemon powerful in the early game and getting even more powerful late game with minimal expertise to begin with. This make people tend to use effortless and required less skill pokemon with massive output/high reward rather than high skill ceiling pokemon with the similar outcome. Why burden yourself playing with high difficulty pokemon when you have easier to use pokemon where it got the same level of power right? Thanks for bring this issue to the forefront Jake. They need to address this so they make the game more balance and every pokemon with different skill ceiling worth the play and worth the outcome.
Spragels as a zoroark main i have some things to say:
Zoroark feint combination actually has a high movement speed, as well with the shadow claw it stuns.
So its not just the damage or zoroark.
well iceshard gives you movement speed aswell and it slows the enemy. so ur point is irrelevant. glaceon does the exact same with much much less effort and at range while having a cc+dmg immunity passive💀
It doesn't stun
They can easily fix Glaceon by just making the ice shards not auto target but instead shoot out in one direction and then it's up to the player to strafe the shards into the target they want. In way it would be kind of better since you could technically hit more than one target. For an example of what I mean you can just look at Lucians ultimate from league of legends. Just a thought!
Yes like Gardiovoir !! I agree with you
funfact: the building on the crustle skin is actually the unovan pokémon league.
This season is the first season since I started playing that I haven’t reached master 1600
I kept having teammates just do the most dumb things…. I love this game but, something feels so wrong with match making
This should be called the Attacker problem
Attackers don't really do anything but hold A and profit.
Feels skewed to compare damage output of Zoroak and Glaceon, when Glaceon is ranged attack and therefore supposed to be high attack, and Zoroak is speedster so is supposed to be high mobility. Glaceon is supposed to do more damage. Zoroak has higher def and sp.def, making it slightly less squishy.
Additionally, you're comparing how hard it is to play these two Pokémon when one is labelled "intermediate" and one is labelled "expert". Of course glaceon is going to be easier.
I agree with some points though, and I definitely think glaceon should be labelled "novice" for all the sure-hit moves.
Icicle Spear is hard to stack up until you unlock ice shard at level 6, so you don't really become OP until level 6.
It is wild that icicle Spear can go so far, however the caveat is you have to be in range to lock on in the first place. Then, you can go as far as you like and the icicles still hit, (rip any Pokémon running away) but it isn't like you can lock on from any exceptional distance that other ranged attackers don't have.
I think it would have been better to highlight the glaceon problem by comparing it to other ranged attackers, like Pikachu or cinderace or cramorant. Otherwise it feels like comparing Espeon to Snorlax and saying "snorlax has more health, unfair to Espeon players"??
Leafeon is way more broken than glaceon- I get absolutely demolished everytime I play against one.
Mimikyu and Leafeon need to be nerfed.
Decidueye players after getting touched by a gust of wind:
Why mimi? It's fine rn what you want another char? One set requires good aiming and while play rough is prob overturned it doesnt do enough dmg fast enough and mimi usually dies in between cooldowns
Agreed. Glaceon is definitely strong, but these two are a lot stronger, harder to punish, and can snowball games a lot easier.
@@customlol7890Because mimkyu is just a better gengar in every way.
@@shreeanshmahapatra2313 uhh then buff gengar instead of bringing mimi to uselesseness cause it is similar to another pokemon
Glaceon's Icicle Spear wouldn't be such a problem if the projectiles couldn't pass through walls. Walls are everywhere.
Lol metagross unite gets stopped by walls while glaceon icicle spear can follow you back to base.
Dragapult is more of a problem than the Eevee's honestly 😐.
This has been my sentiment about the game for years! Low skill + high reward should not exist! Otherwise there's no incentive to play the riskier characters if the easier ones yield the same results like you said.
You pretty much just covered what I've been thinking. Having easy-to-use Pokemon isn't a bad thing, but they shouldn't warrant the same amount of damage (sometimes more) than those who are not. Low skill + low reward is how it should be. That doesn't mean they have to be awful, but they shouldn't be too safe of an option. The risk in playing these Pokemon should be that while they're easy to maneuver, they might not have as much AOE, CC, damage etc as their counterparts.
Thanks Spragels! :)
It’s interesting how the Eevees evolve at 4 and are all pretty powerful by 6, then you get Tyranitar sitting over here being absolutely useless until level 9, and (imo) being only slightly better than the eevees by ray. The power creep is real.
I think it's the same with Gardevoir. I've been in a lot of games where the Gardevoir just waits in the bushes and throw its abilities to the enemy team or to me and my team. It's a headache now that Gardevoir charges its unite faster.
Been seeing Gardevoir way too much lately, that's why i run Buzzwole
Facts that and the Eevees gotta go
Quick comment - amazing thumbnail, probably the best thus far
One thing I noticed watching this video... Zoroark's mane doesn't swoosh. Goodra's antennae, Dragapult/Gyarados/Inteleon's tail, they all swoosh with physics, but Zoroark's running just looks static awkward.
I'm fine with the Eevees being easy-to-play, early-to-evolve characters with fairly decent late games. The problem is that they allowed Glaceon to be on T0/T1 for so long without really nerfing it.
I remember the season when Espeon got a BP and buffed. Once the BP ended, they immediately nerfed Psyshock, even though Espeon never reached a 51% win rate during the buff. Yet, they allow Glaceon to still sit there despite multiple weeks of win rates above 52%, which is kind of insane.
Other than Glaceon, I'd say Dragapult is another Pokemon that desperately needs a nerf.
Glaceon hasnt had a winrate of 51% or higher in the recent weeks tho (not trying to defend it, i still hate Glaceon), the highest winrate Eevee since the last Balance Patch (January 9th) has been Sylveon week after week with winrates between 50.8% and 51.2%.
Glaceon even dropped below 50% overall for a week
I agree. Glaceon for some reason just gets away with being OP forever -_-
@@Cresenta well tbh if we look at winrates on UNITEapi (which, i agree, dont always tell us the whole Picture) then Sylveon is the most broken Eevee.
Ever since it got its buffs it has been the highest winrate Eevee week after week and Glaceon doesnt even come close.
But like i said, winrates dont always tell us the whole thing, so yeah
Everyone: Caring about important things.
Me: But what about the fashion, though
So in a nutshell, the problem isn’t that Glaceon is easy to use or peaks early, it’s that it can deal the same kind of damage as more complex mons like Zoroark or slower-to-peak ones like Tyranitar with way less effort, meaning the other mons don’t have the upside or great payoff they should.
I feel like glaceon also emphasizes the issue that a lot of the melees are just heavily outclassed even despite their good kits (buzzwole). With melees you have to do so much more to do ANYTHING compared to attackers. Not only do attackers have slick spoon, they also have range and mobility moves of all things (I hate stored power espeon). All-rounders aren't weak right now, but the CC certainly makes it hard and what better way to not deal with CC than to never get close in the first place, am I right? Maybe it's just a skill issue on my part, but playing all-rounders when attackers can just... do that, is not fun.
Buzzwole is overpowered and has insane CC and survivability.
@@tichieljuspian3458 I know that buzzwole is really good right now. I doubt he'd have a very good time if he was more balanced, though.
Glaceon (and the rest of them) have two modes in it's movesets: shotgun and machine gun. And none of them are that hard to outplay...
Shotgun: gives a little dash but still requires aiming and to be semi close to the opponent (close but not to close to melee range) to deal damage =
Icy Wind + Freeze Dry
Machine gun: gives mobility and autofire that allows to either escape a dire situation or reposition to continue fighting = Icicle Spear + Ice Shard
So... guess people haven't learned to play around "Iced eevee" and the other eeveelutions in months, boy oh boy.
The problem is that it's so easy to use and it's so effective(give it the Inteleon Liquidation treatment, and we will be fine)
No it's perfect
You poor delusional fool...apparently you've never faced a sweaty blue badge glaceon before...*joking*...but seriously, nerf glaceon
@@user-fg5nz2ux5wPerfectly broken. But I guess it's balanced for people who don't use hands while playing.
I completely agree. As far as damage dealers go, I think for the health of the game Glaceon, Liquidation, Pikachu, Auto attack focused move builds should never be allowed to be close to meta. It's nice for new players to have something easy but those characters should never get the same value as a Mew, or Zoro, or E-speed Lucario
Glaceon basic attack scales with Special... WHY?
Eevees should evolve at 5 and get the Unite at 9, because right now, all of them are a very safe pick
Now if are attacking eevee for evolution of Lv4 , unite at 8 … Azumarill , Wiggly , Blissey, Sableye, Blaziken , Clefable .. should join too right
@@fireboyzx4643No they shouldn't dumbass. Supports are always a level or 2 behind the carries of the team. If they get unite at 9 they will be useless for first objective fight. Blaziken literally has no access to half of his dmg without changing styles with his unite. Also blaziken doesn't evolve at lvl 4. Finally Azumarill is actually a strong early game laner that falls off late game(unlike eeveelutions). Eeveelutions have far stronger lvl 4 powerspikes and do not require lvl 8 unites at all.
Why? Those are not as good the entire game OR not as easy to use as any Eevee. All of them get very strong as early as level 4, when others are still doing nothing@@fireboyzx4643
It being a MOBA on a controller is the biggest issue imo. The fact they have to make mons like Glaceon easy like this to play is due to the limitation and frustration controller does for this game. Which is crazy to say since SMITE technically does it but because it's a different perspective than it being top down it works. Here imagine if you try to make Glaceon have to AIM those icicle spears at the enemy to get all the hits in? It'd be an absolute nightmare with how bad trying to aim in this game is. With mouse I feel there would be more freedom to tone down these mons and have them actually aim their skill shots rather than make them pretty much auto aim or lock on.
To me, monetization is one of the biggest problems in the game that pushes people away. Battle passes, skins, trainer outfits, arbitrary currency earning limits to make earning Pokemon take longer, and increasingly expensive Pokemon coming out. All of it comes together to muddy and weaken the experience.
In my opinion, Unite needs to overhaul their monetization strategies and make them more player friendly.
They need to increase the SpAtk utilization on Spear but then give it drastic falloff. This makes Freeze-Dry more viable to pair with Icicle Spear and fixes the range issue at the same time. It allows her to maintain the high damage she's meant to do at the cost of her own safety and make the most of that inbuilt 12.5% spellvamp. Then, we might see more Shedinja Doll play on both sides. Either way, Spear needs some kind of counterbuff to the range nerf or it'll go from OP to dogshit overnight.
I hate how they gave Metagross, a melee mon, a skill shot lock on with his headbutt/zen headbutt. But they gave Glaceon, the ranged mon, a point and click that technically has infinite range after the lock on.
It's so dumb.
They should really work on making the health pools bigger than it is right now. Everyone just peels anything so fast. Categorize all rounders to unit with +damage -bulk and +bulk -damage just like how attackers are distinguishable with auto attack based and skill based units.
With bigger health pool and bulky units actually doing their purpose, wouldnt it be better for the game and the competitive scene to have longer fights instead of just bursting each other?
glaceon's ice shard should be changed so that you have to aim to select an opponent for it to connect, otherwise you just miss all your shards. that seems fair enough because currently its just broken
ive always been so upset that they nerfed zoroark, i understood it at the time but now we have meowscarada who does the same damage that zoroa did to get that mid fast jungle clear and it just makes me think WHHYYYY they just nerfed one and came out with a new one that just replaces the old one in output but requires less skill :((
Calm down zoroark is still far better than meowscarada. It's still in the top 3 speedsters of the game.
if you dont mind i wanna add to this point by sharing a build ive taken to the top of ladder with the new patch
Sylveon with hypervoice is troll. Mystic fire draining kiss, with wise glasses, choice specs, and shell bell.
still take potion.
Your passive gives you extra tankyness already, so with this build, you outheal most assasin burst dps without ever having to use skill.
Arguably the most toxic trade pattern in the entire game.
engage with mystic fire and begin to auto at level 4. your damage spike is so big if you hit level 4 first you win lane by yourself.
if you are loosing the trade, use your third auto to run from danger. if you win, use the third auto to chase them and land a kill.
you never have to back with this build, you passively full heal off of camps, so once you are ahead, never not be farming. steal the entire game until even at base they can't kill you. if you get low and have ult. you can pop potion mid ult within invunerability. the snowball effect of this playstyle is insane. their only weakness is characters that can stay out of their range even with sylveon's dashes.
the recent sylveon buff made this build TURBO BROKEN
I like your these type of videos more than gameplays etc
I was hoping the fashion and holowear ticket shops would have rotating stock when i started i was disappointed rather quickly
For me, Sylveon, the first Eeveelution in the game, is still the most balanced one and still the most fun to play with the Mystical Fire moveset, ngl, this actually reminds me of Ahri's gameplay from League.
The shops should definitely be addressed after they got rid of the old lead dev . The shop remained untouched.
Sure hit shouldn't OP.
A skill pokemon should feel rewarding, not punishing after doing a combo .
Sure, hit is literally point and click
It's like they made it for babies to enjoy that simply click style delete opponent
Which is bad. Because this isn't turned base it'd a moba . Sure hit should be the least rewarding or I would say more of an annoying kit . Like being able to kit while zone . Nothing too serious.
What makes it worse is that the sure hits in the game can shred, cc, or melt . Which is scary.
Agreed
Agreed. Ngl I think chandelure despite being the same “skill cap” as Glaceon takes more skill than Glaceon itself. Overheat has a point and click move and it’s in a similar vein to Zoroark where you gotta land 3 hits to get the most out of the follow up. Mons like these shouldn’t be nerfed, but point and click moves like Icicle Spear shouldn’t do so much throughout the whole 10 mins. There’s little risk playing Glaceon.
False Swipe Gaming: The Scizor Theorem
Spragels: The Glaceon Problem
PS: 4:15 Don't forget it FOLLOWS you. If you base back, the remaining shards travel to you
Yeah I think we’re all done with this Pokémon
“I have fashion tickets but THERE IS NO MORE FASHON 😂” so true lmao
I love the eevelutions but when it comes to having a healthy game these pokemon are pests when it comes to critical, damage and the frustration of catching a pokemon with mechanics and combos that are satisfactory and you get close to one of these eevelutions and are completely destroyed because the critical, damage and stun are so unbearable that if you try to do something the same situation It happens again and again and again and again, not that I want the Pokémon to be nerfed to the level that it's impossible to use, but that it's very frustrating
The problem is the game can't be fun if speedsters are broken regardless of skill requirements. Their whole idea is to kill you before you get to react, which in its nature prevents counterplay. Yes, it is true that power should come with a price, but the price should be a weakness the enemy team can exploit, not simply require more skill.
I think what developers thought is- there are many pokemon who are of low skill and high value type, both team have choice as both team can choose these type of pokemon, there will be some pokemons which will be extra good and there are enough that both teams can get benefit.
Again I feel attacked, utterly violated 😭 How could you do this to me Spragels
Honestly though, being unable to buy holo wear and fashion with my thousands of tickets also seems like a problem just it doesn't affect game play
I don't see this as a big problem tbh,it just a common thing in moba competitive game, slight unbalanced units does not mean its a problem
"But but why no skill units deal a same dmg as the units who has complicated combo/skill, that's unbalanced!"
So?did you want those no skill unit to have less dmg?i disagree,the difficulty on every units should have nothing to do with the dmg/impact they give,i mean guys each units has its own pros and cons,dmg is not the only thing that make units good,to make a good units u need to make a bad units,if all units is all good then they all not good,they all mid,i mean what is the definition of balance? Nobody can't decide if the units balance or not when all units has different skills,if you want to play the game all balance,then play something like brawlhalla
BUT OF COURSE WHAT IS FASHION CURRENCY🗣️,MAKE THEM USEFUL WHAT THE HELL
I think the problem also comes down to the console and mobile gameplay. Console is more controllable then on mobile so having these Pokémon on mobile is such a relief however that also means it can be picked on the console so now the better players have a simple Pokémon that does damage
I just started using Glaceon and I agree that ice shard icicle spear is crazy af 😂 if you keep you're distance you put so much pressure its insane 😂
Now we just need someone to point out the Blastoise problem 😅
Enemy Glaceon: Level 9 by minute 7 unbeatable no skill Ice spammer that ends the game with over 20 kills
My Glaceon: Lost bottom lane by minute 8, ends game with 2 KO 4 Assists
As a Glaceon main, I gotta say
"Fair."
I feel pokemon like Glaceon are backwards. The easy Icicle Spear build is better/strong, the Icy Wind more difficult build is infamously bad if it isnt a CDR mode.
I oh so badly want Icy Wind to be healthily buffed to make Glaceon similar to Scizor where it has 2 different modes; an attacker Icicle Spear Build and a Speedster Icy Wind build. Unfortunately Icicle Spear is a dumb move that shouldn't exist.
Eeveelutions are incredibly popular pokemon. They appeal to a lot of fans. It’s not a surprise they are powerful and easy to use because they appeal to casuals and ultimately that means $$$.
Inteleon and current duraludon are basically this problem in a nutshell
Inteleon when it first released out-performed its own snipe shot build with auto lock liquidation. But they nerfed it and now snipe shot does a lot more damage compared to liquidation but its a lot harder to hit which is good.
Duraludon gets its moves at 5 7 and then 9. Its entire kit is outscaled by the eevees who do more damage with easier moves to land that dont need any positioning
This tracks all the way back to the release of Blastoise. He took over the game instantly by having the easiest guaranteed CC chain while doing boatloads of damage and being unkillable at a time where we had fewer reliable attackers
I've been asking them to update the fashion ticket roster for the last year now. Also suggested a boost emblem buyback. Alas, no avail
THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE FREETO PLAY TICKETS FOR THE SHOPS. IT HAS BEEN SINCE ESPEON RELEASED AND US F2P PLAYERS HAVEN’T GOTTEN ANYTHING ELSE, unless you count the free mons you have to grind for
Really good breakdown video. Yet with all this cheese, teams still throw. Continuously 😅
Also, "Are these pokemon gonna suffer winrate wise? Yeah!" Looks at the current winrates where Sylveon is the only eeveelution that is in the top half of the roster....
Why Skill Floor is Close to Everything: The Glaceon Theorem
Glaceon has extreme range as long as it locks on to you in the game the attack will follw you 3/8's on the map plus its special attack which shreds through special defense and regular defense.
I think the attack shouldnt be able to damage the other player if you dont see them out of sight range wise.
Espeon and Glaceon sometimes mess me up as Mewtwo Y. And I get 15-25 kills every ranked game.
okay glaceon bad but dragapult is actually higher than glaceon in winning rate and it's as infuriating as glaceon
Imagine when the next Eevee festival comes, the Eevee meta becomes a thing with the addition of Flareon, Jolteon and Vaporeon and to top everything Flareon becomes broken as hell becoming a mini Mewtwo X with powerful sets at level 4.