I do get uncomfortable with the amount of making fun and nitpicking of Josh that goes on - he is an abuse victim, he’s been one of the most harassed people on social media, I think everyone could stand to be a bit easier on the guy. Also I said this on the last video but: with people making fun of him for vlogging all the time, Colleen had to be nice to Josh while he was vlogging. He could guarantee she wasn’t going to abuse him while he was vlogging. It’s no wonder he was vlogging constantly it probably became the time he felt the most safe and a thing he could do to relieve anxiety. And it’s understandable to be anxious going down the aisle to marry Colleen Ballinger.
Yes totally agree! He deserves some peace and respect, he’s earned that much! I got annoyed listening to Ethan dunk on him too, it was totally unnecessary.
I can totally understand why Josh would say that. I was married for 12 years and acted out the same way. When your heart is shattered and you realize the person you married is a horrible person.
exactly. you truly believe you love this person and you walk in on a betrayal. Your heart shatters, the curtain behind Oz is lifted, and all you want to do is impose an emotional and intellectual guilt on the person who betrayed you. You want them to feel as bad as they have made you feel. Totally a possibility I hope you are better after your parting
Also, dramatic is not always a bad thing! In this case, Josh's "last line" was very ballsy and perfect. As someone who has also been cheated on in a marriage, I'm glad he said that to her! We have to understand, like you said, that we as the "audience" will never get the whole context (and it's not really any of our business, tbh.)
I would say Josh is entitled to feel and be dramatic. I vividly remember the last thing l said to my ex and l think l'd be annoyed as hell if a third party said l was acting like a teen movie. Feelings are messy.
I'm sure Joshua played the moment out a thousand times in his head. So no i don't think he came up with it on the spot, but yeah i can say that's a pretty good last line
I felt like his explanation made sense too: people are mad because he is a MAN who said it to a WOMAN. If the situation was reversed and she said it to him, it would be all “go girl”. Men are allowed to have feelings too- especially when the lives they built are falling apart around them.
I mean I can believe it. The last thing I said to my ex husband was “I hope you have fun burning in hell!” & then I drove away. When you get cheated on things become very dramatic especially if you’re married your bitter and at you most vulnerable lord only knows what is going to come out of your mouth.
Colleen did a divorce because Davidson would abuse her and threatens her and wouldn’t let her do vlogs or let her work and he would get angry at her but Davidson is so bad
well that’s dramatic. there’s nothing wrong with that. i’m confused why people take such offense to their action being called dramatic when it was dramatic on purpose. dramatic doesn’t mean stupid or bad. it means it has a big effect.
I feel like the part that Josh was responding to was not that you said it was dramatic, but that you said you didn’t believe him. It plants doubt into your listeners ears. I appreciate everything you’ve done to cover each step of this journey, just thought I’d throw that out there.
The last thing I said to my ex that cheated on me in person was "you will get exactly what you deserve with her." Sometimes you have just gotta be a little dramatic. Especially when you get your heartbroken.
Yeah i had stormed out and came back just to say "you re gonna miss me everyday of your fuck1ng life" if that isnt the moment to unleash your drama queen...idk
Sometimes life is more dramatic than the movies. I have had moments and situations that feel that way. Proud of Josh for getting that in because being cheated on is incredibly cruel. It’s always satisfying when it lines up like a *moment* lol.
Eh, saying it's dramatic/teen movie feels like an insult. Not a big fan of calling it that. If you have a cheating spouse, you're gonna want to say something that will leave an impression. Cut them deep, or make them think. No one is gonna sit down and have a nice, un-emotional chat about why the other person is garbage.
yep, agreed 100%. At this point I'm of the mind that Adam was seeing him as only just on the wrong side of 'fair game', which I honestly don't think josh is given how radically open to criticism he appears to be. That, to me, suggests someone who is in a very vulnerable state of mind and somebody who probably shouldn't be the subject of run-of-the-mill drama reactions where little nitpicks like this can be made.
« something that will leave an impression » is what dramatic means in that context. You really just want to call him immature just for the hell of it. Yes it was dramatic. You’re admitting it.
I don’t think of what Josh said as “dramatic”. If anything, that’s one hell of a ballsy thing to say to his abuser. I fell like what Josh said was his “Gotcha” moment for catching Colleen cheating.
so so true, swoop TOLD US that this interview was SEVEN HOURS and we only saw bits and pieces and the video was HOURS long. she and her team put in sooo much effort and you’re so right it is very selfish of US to assume that she would make 10-15 HOUR long videos explaining the 7 HOUR long interview yk? ADOREEEE SWOOP SO SO MUCH LOVE ALLLL OF HER DOCS 😍😍
The fact that he is so open with his truth actually makes me so happy for him finally getting his voice back and being able to speak about what happened I cannot imagine what it was like to be silenced and backed into a corner with hate from so many people who WEREN’T THERE WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES and not to be able to defend yourself at all 🥺
Not to mention that everything she was feeding her fans and everyone else was completely one-sided. The age demographic of the fans was such that they mostly don't get that in a divorce there are two sides and that each side will likely skew the truth (which lies in between somewhere) in their own favor to some greater or lesser degree. tl;dr: Young people don't have as many "grains of salt" with which to take things, which worked in Colleen's favor.
Adam I appreciate your content and I've been following your story for a while. I'm sorry about everything that's happened to you and all the other victims, you were just kids, and you didn't deserve it! Your voices matter and I'm so proud to see you guys standing up for what's right! But, in my opinion, as a victim of abuse, I'd be livid at someone making fun of my last words to my abuser by calling it dramatic or comparing it to a silly end at the end of a teen movie... when it's my real life. This video was more of you excusing Swoop's "editing" than saying sorry for your sly comment. He should not have to explain himself to "make more sense" and you don't need to commentate on everything. From what I'm seeing, it looks like you're slowly becoming kind of desensitized to stories of abuse. Josh did not comment on what happened to you in that way, why do that to him? And again, this video should not have been all about thanking Swoop, but instead apologizing and commentating on how everyone keeps picking fun at Josh. This was a total deflection when it should have been taking accountability for your words. Imagine that he's thought of that moment for days on end for YEARS since then? How he probably feels now with everyone saying this.... Still love ya content xoxo
@@lilsnowbat agree. I find it weird that everyone is missing the fact that Swoop is the reason it reads as "dramatic". She tells stories, to make her $$. This was edited for maximum impact. It's what she used for her teaser/trailer. She knew what she was doing. It sold the story extremely well. Probably had Colleen 💩ing her pants. But, I mean, who cares what it does to Josh. Right? 🙄 (sarcasm).
Right he took no accountability at all, he could’ve agreed he still thought it was dramatic because he stood by those words by saying “I don’t believe it” or “i had no bad intention” sometimes you don’t but the impact you had clearly hurt Josh that’s why he commented on it??? So just apologize and take accountability for hurting his feelings that’s it. But instead a whole 20min vid of him deflecting😭😭
If you've ever been so hurt and so broken and angry, it wouldn't sound dramatic. Josh is closer to my age and him saying that as his last statement seemed natural to me because I've seen and heard people do this. I think nowadays people see it as dramatics because most younger people have been inundated with reality tv, celebrity drama and all that. You know drama more, you've seen scenes play out in front of you so it feels unreal. Everything is out there, versus it use to be that things were mostly behind closed doors. The culture leans to dramatics, so that is easier perceived. To me, it didn't seem dramatic, it seemed like a person that has had enough and said that in the heat of pain and passion. Nothing against you at all, just thought I'd add that perspective. It may be an age thing, Idk, but I like your vids. So thank you for the content you put out there.
Adam needs a dose of actual reality and not reality tv. And to separate Hollywood from real life. Also kind of think it has to do with everyone hyping him up about his maturity. Like he's still 20. Doesn't matter how mature you are if you haven't had the life experience to use to talk about things that happen in long term romantic relationships. Etc.
i agree! that was my thinking too re: Josh being closer to my age. (disclaimer: due to the lack of paragraph breaks + my vision impairment, i was only about to get through the first few lines of your comment. but what i could read i totally agree with!)
I think it makes sense for Josh to be dramatic in this situation. He was the victim here. I also wonder if he has any other experience dating before Colleen. He talked about how he waited to have sex until he was married and that made me wonder if this was just a reaction from someone who has never truly had an adult relationship. I know I was very dramatic in my past dating experiences because I was inexperienced. Just a thought!
I would have said the same damn thing. If you haven’t been in a long term abusive relationship I get how it’s dramatic. But words mean a lot in circumstances like that. Being petty in a situation like josh’s is %100 reasonable.
It should have been dramatic, and that is okay. They were married and had been together for years. I know marriage doesn't mean so much to some people today but Josh thought it was forever, as it should be.
Adam definitely is allowing Hollywood and reality tv to cloud his judgement. Because he's only 20 he hasn't had barely any life experience. He's never experienced being betrayed, emotionally used and abused in a long term romantic relationship so it kinda feels he's compairing to Hollywood or reality tv.
That statement is such a slay, though. “When you’re screwing him in MY BED, think of ME.” I do believe him, because some people are very dramatic and witty in real life. 💅🏽
Swoop is the person responsible FOR it not being presented in context. This particular issue was designed with the intention to BE dramatic, to make sure the video got as many views as possible. She tells stories to make money. That's a statement, not a judgment. She sold this story extremely well.
Adam! LOL No, saying "it sounds dramatic" isn't saying you don't believe him, but saying, "I don't believe him," - x2 - IS saying you don't believe him. I think you two are great and are probs on good terms and all, and this isn't at all drama - but let's be fair! 😆
Nothing wrong with saying it is dramatic, but your "I don't believe him" I could see how that could be triggering. I don't think any of it was malicious, but yeah those words are understandably sensitive.
Thank you for continuing to send context into the situation. Honestly I really appreciate all of your honesty all the way through this. It shows how much integrity you carry yourself with as a person and I can’t say that for many of the commentary channels I’ve seen. I think that you’re meant for great things and you’re gonna go far! Much love always 💙
It really annoyed me that when they got to the part in Olivia's powerpoint where Colleen was telling Shane Dawson that Josh was being abusive on their honeymoon that Ethan was believing Colleen and doubting Josh? I think it is important to take allegations of physical abuse seriously but if the person has a track record of lying in extremely serious and hurtful ways, then I think it is fair to doubt their claims. Josh has been transparent and open about everything, he deserves to be believed over Colleen. I personally think that Colleen's treatment of Josh was extremely abusive and that he was the victim in that situation. It is important to believe victims, when gender roles are switched and there are abuse claims going both ways it is trickier, but usually the evidence makes things a lot clearer.
Ethan wasn’t “believing” Colleen, he was processing the information live and out loud for the audience to hear and he didn’t immediately agree with every single word. Even Adam himself has done the exact same thing lol. I actually like that Ethan doesn’t always immediately agree with everything, he just took his time and discussed it with his crew on the show. That’s exactly why, like Ethan, Peter Monn is so great (and Adam now of course). Many people appreciate and find it refreshing how they are honest and refuse to suck up to anyone, ESPECIALLY fellow UA-camrs. Ethan has been dragging Colleen this entire time lmao. He has supported Josh a lot during every episode that they have discussed it, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t question or disagree with SOME things he said or did. That’s the entire purpose of having a discussion.
I dont think that Ethan was trying imply that Josh was actually abusing Colleen. My opinion is that they had a small argument but it was such a nothing burger that Josh forgot about it while Colleen was massively over exaggerating and straight up lying about what happened to Shane because she was furious at him
@@backwardsbandit8094 That was how I took that incident too! Which is why I thought it was odd that Ethan seemed to be making more of it? His reaction just felt weird to me.
@@miranda13c I actually completely agree!! I think having a discussion and looking at the situations from all angles is important (and omg I adore Peter Monn!). This one bit stuck out to me in the whole segment bc Ethan kept on it for a bit and seemed like he had to be convinced that making something like that up is totally something Colleen would do, and to me he seemed more willing to believe that Colleen was maybe being truthful to Shane than he was willing to believe that Josh hadn't actually abused her. It just seemed a bit like victim blaming to me and I felt for Josh since it is common for people to be less willing to believe male abuse victims. But hey, that is just how I saw it, I could easily be reading too much into it! It was the only part of the show that kinda irked me and I really appreciate how H3 have been covering the story. Thanks for writing such a thoughtful reply though, I appreciate your perspective and I think we are on the same page in general, we just saw this one bit differently. :)
I love how you responded to this. I will say that it may sound dramatic to us, but when you’ve known for a long time that your wife is doing this & doesn’t respect you it can come down to this. I think there’s so much that they couldn’t include, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. I love your coverage & I respect him for coming forward. ❤
what Josh said to Colleen after VidCon is pretty similar to something Alanis Morissette directed towards Dave Coulier in her excellent song "You Oughta Know". I imagine it's a pretty common line. I do believe him. Yeah, it does sound dramatic, which (I think) is the whole point in delivering such a line.
Yes! I came looking for this comment and was going to post the same if it wasn't here already. That song came out in 1995, and Josh is a 90s music fan. Anyone around at that time would know that reference. I'm a little older than Josh, and I remember how ICONIC that song was! That phrase was totally something everyone growing up back then would have known--and yes! It does come from a place of massive hurt, not being cute and dramatic, for sure. Great song! 🎶
I have just been quietly watching all this, and I'm very happy you came out with your story and have finally been believed like you deserve. "dramatic" does not equal "untrue" that is important, and would be a valid point, but you DID say in that clip "I don't believe that. I don't believe it." " so that would be where the invalidation comes from. The problem isn't you saying it sounds dramatic or the timeline or Swoop's team or the editing, it's that you straight up said you don't believe him. You just kind of ignored that part...
i said i didn’t believe that was the last convo cuz it didn’t make sense with the timeline and shocker, it wasn’t the last convo that’s why i didn’t address it in vid
@@FCUK- after 4/5 minutes of explaining why he didn't, making that sound more like a cover. like, "i'm gonna say i believe him but wink, wink i really don't." it's fine now, Josh added context, Adam cleared it up + says he now believes him. it is what it is. all good.
Josh seems like he's on the righteous path these days. I'm not sure how productive it is to pull apart what he said the moment his life fell apart. I hope he can find some kind of justice out of all of this.
Oh, c'mon, Josh's most impressionable ages were smack dab in the middle of the peak of teen dramas. He can be dramatic along with every other 90s kid, with or without the context.😉
You did say you don't believe him initially (@2:32) 😅 but obviously that doesn't mean you were unwilling to be convinced otherwise with more information. The back pedaling seemed unnecessary. You do you, Adam, your heart is in the right place ❤
@@themajesticspaceduck The way that Adam phrased it in the initial video makes it seem like he didn’t believe it. Obviously now with clarification, we know that Adam meant he thought there was more context to the story. Either way, I’m glad it’s all cleared up 🫶
There are certain responsibilities when it comes to publicly dealing with people who have been through trauma, and if Adam wants to be ethical in his coverage then it was absolutely necessary to backpedal on picking on a pretty inconsequential detail and saying that he didn't believe it to the public. People have a nasty habit of getting stuck on 'inconsistencies' like that and using it to undermine peoples' entire accounts.
@@themajesticspaceduck he literally mentions the last thing he said sounded like a teen movie. It doesn't really matter at this point, so I'm not trying to argue.
@@peggy7744I hear you and it's not so much the backpedaling that was unnecessary, but denying that he said he didn't believe Josh when clearly he did. Adam should just own it and say he knows better now. ❤
If Josh has a Scorpio Mars like I do, I absolutely believe he said exactly that. It’s a statement that says “I know what’s going on, you’re not slick” in an extremely cutting way. Bravo, honestly
Even before the extra context when that final sentence sounded teen movie-ish it was still badass!! It was like a final fuck you to Colleen and she deserved it! So Go Josh!
Why tbh, I think Adam's way too young and not experienced in that type of thing to really understand, (Which isn't a bad thing!) when you're well into adult hood and you had signs thrown at you that your long term partner was cheating on you, yeah you're gonna say something so metal cause you knew. Suspicions were correct!
@@Megasaurusify I say Adams a lil too young to really grasp at it. And i wouldn't hold it against him. Yes hes forced to mature really fast but hes still 20. He hasnt experienced the betrayal of a lomg term partner (heavens forbid tho).
I wish Josh were the one who had gotten famous, making the big bucks, he’s much more likable than Colleen. Of course, being a Southern gal, my heart melts a little when he speaks! But honestly, I hope he continues to have a really happy life with his wife off social media and doesn’t let any tidbit of fame from this lure him back in. 😀
I don't see why the context of when those words spoken changes anything. The way I see it, he was already hurt by the party incident. The following days just would have worn him out more emotionally. So saying that the words makes more sense and are less dramatic cuz he was obviously hurt by the surge of rejection and betrayal is a bit cope imo. Just own the fact that you initial felt that it was a dramatic statement, but later on decided it wasn't really that dramatic. Opinions change over time especially those formed in the heat of the moment.
It does sound dramtic but very real! When you build something with someone and pick out the bed together and the sheets that go on that bed it's on another level of hurt. Even if I have a good separation I'll usually get a new mattress and replace all of the sheets.
WHEN A MAN OR WOMAN IS HURT/HEARTBROKEN, they say/do/think /wish all kinds of things to/about the one that hurt them. Not teen DRAMA JUST HEARTBROKEN.🙏💚💛💙💜❤ "Hurt people hurt people.""
I wish people who do these long interviews would release the unedited versions too. They underestimate how many of us would sit 6 hours and listen 😂 and it wouldn’t take any extra time for them to post it raw. I’d love to see all of johnnys.
The processing time of a video that long is absurd. And there were likely a lot of details that would not have been appropriate to share outside of that room.
I think Adam will also understand what I am about to say as there is a severe overlap in both Adam's & Josh's trauma. Both have been attacked and insulted and ab***d for years for speaking out so the moment there is even a micro suggestion that your story is being doubted again, that it's now a trauma response the need to explain and clarify. If I am right in any way I can only imagine how triggering it must have been for Josh so I have to give him a massive props on how well worded his comment and response was. I think it says a lot about his character self awareness and control. I think for everyone involved, no matter how painful and triggering it might have been to have to relive this again, it has also been very healing to be able to speak about it openly and honestly and seeing the army of ppl standing by them and listening. Hopefully this story soon finds it ending, everyone will find their closure and will be able to fully close this chapter once and for all. They aren't victims anymore. They all are now SURVIVORS. ❤❤❤
I found out my ex was cheating on me 2 weeks before our wedding and when I confronted him it was a raphsody of everything I ever did wrong from him, but I asked him "why did you say you loved me when you obviously didn't?" and he responded "because I knew you needed to hear that so you would stay". He was an abusive smudge of human trash. My response was to tell him the wedding and our relationship was done and gave him back the ring. He asked what he was supposed to do with it and I told him "good luck trying to return it, I hope you kept the receipt". Never spoke to him again. Art imitates life and personal experience (Colleen is a perfect example).
The last thing I said to my emotionally abusive partner was, “I hope you find someone who is exactly like you. Yet, I hope they never did to you what you did to me. Because it’s easy to not break who you love.” You do stuff like that when you finally break and walk away.
Josh Evans is a sweetheart and stayed to long wanting her to love him,SO many of you can relate so don't lie..at least he's being honest like so many aren't
idk I get it. I've said dramatic shit right before walking away before and it would hurt for someone to accuse me of making it up to sound like I was cool or something. You said in the video that you didn't believe it. I can understand why he'd want to say something. No one is the "a-hole", but you can say it sounds dramatic without accusing someone of lying.
josh has become so freaking mature and i’m so happy for his growth. same with you, adam. you’re just a few months younger than me but i look up to you so much with how you’re handling all of this
The problem isn’t that Swoop edited something out which caused Josh’s statement to sound more dramatic, the problem is that EV-E-RY-THING is being brought in a way that makes the whole situation sound more dramatic. Making an elephant out of a mosquito, is what we say in Dutch.
Adam, you literally said in the clip before you commented about it being dramatic "I don't believe it". I think that was why Josh went out of his way to comment about it being true. It wasn't just about you saying it was dramatic.
Once outside of the courthouse while going through court for custody/visitation/support my ex and I decided to yell at each other in the rain from opposite sides of the steps. Me crying in the rain "just dont bring her around our daughter" 10 years later i still appreciate the B role i was cast in to end that relationship. It was a fitting end lol.
I LOVE how you love & stand up for Swoop! Out of this entire mess, you and Swoop’s interactions have been the sweetest, most beautiful, unexpected thing! You both shine even brighter together!
lol I literally just finished watching that video and then this one popped up. I appreciate you clarifying what you meant cuz I also kinda thought you were saying you didn’t believe that part of the story to be tru
I’m glad you’re going back to address Josh’s comment! It took me aback a bit when you said that you didn’t believe that it happened so I’m happy Josh got to clarify!
yeah i just finished the vid and concluded you’re the one being dramatic. it’s been obvious from the start that he said that from a place of hurt… sure the context was nice but nothing about what he said didn’t make sense?? the context didn’t change the meaning of anything and you’re contradicting yourself in this entire video. first it’s “it’s dramatic” then it’s “it’s not dramatic but” then it’s “i don’t believe him” then it’s “it’s not that i don’t believe him” i’m so lost
@@skzpinklover9277fr im so bothered by the backpedalling like just say ur sorry for doubting that someone would justifiably say that to their abuser 💀
17:51, I'm so glad you had that reaction, it made me feel seen, I feel like my heart's been so broken for Josh and although there's a lot of positive reactions for Josh now, I remember watching the Swoop video sobbing for Josh, because while I wasn't in the "fandom" I was there for the divorce and watched him get absolutely dogpiled on. If you find your way here Josh I love you and I see you and stand with you.
Adam, this isn't about intent. It's about impact. Whether you intended to hurt Josh's feelings or not, you clearly did, and he's expressing that to you. I know your live streams are off the cuff, but your words do affect others. I've been watching your videos for a few months now (binging, really) and if someone nitpicked something you'd said in an interview, you would probably rake them over the coals, so why is it okay to do it to Josh?
@@hamilcross Saying things like "Well, that wasn't my intention" and "I'm sorry- but" is more of a deflection than a proper apology or statement of accountability
I never thought him saying that to her was dramatic, I thought it was perfect. If I was in his position finding out my husband did all that to me behind my back and so publicly, I might have said even worse.
I had a long term relationship where the last thing he said to me was “no one will ever love you as much as I do” definitely dramatic, and true. People say dramatic and harsh things when they’re hurt.
Woah yeah the way it was edited i totally thought his exit sentence was said the same night he came home and it smelled like cigs etc. Knowing it happened later makes it seem way less movie-like. No one’s fault though! And it doesn’t make a huge difference in the story anyways
you could've just replied to his comment on the last video and left it at that, but i love that you actually made a video about this to clarify both your and his viewpoints/explanations; it shows that you care about the truth and also about Josh himself.
I think the only reason it seemed dramatic was because it sounded like weeks/months worth of chaotic events were combined into one evening (VidCon), which is not true. This was just a minor misunderstanding, and I'm glad that Adam prioritized sharing Josh's comment/explanation 😊
Never any doubt in my mind when i watched it that josh said this. Yes its dramatic, yes its cliche, maybe a bit cringe, seems on brand for josh at the time and wouldn't we all want that dramatic pinnacle one-liner movie moment with the people who hurt us.
If Swoop showed each and every moment she shot of each interview OH MY GOD!!! Just between John and Josh there would be 13 hours of video to watch. Don’t get me wrong it’s interesting as HELL. But that’s a lot of time to dedicate to a series. I mean for real I had to divide up the 4 hours of Johnnys into a few days. Because I couldn’t get it watched in one sitting. Swoop got the majority of the Josh interview in the last video. So it’s not like we missed much
It was apparently a 7 hour interview, so we missed, what, under half-ish, iirc? I think Swoop would be wise to release full versions of these interviews (with the obvious caveat of editing out sensitive things people wanted off the record), so that way we get every possible bit of context. She may not be able to leave it all in her documentaries, but she could provide it so we know all the details possible, since obviously she has to edit for maximum impact.
Last thing I said to my ex was something along the lines of “you’re dead to me” or “don’t ever speak to me again”. Whatever it was, it was nasty. But that’s the shit you say when you are hurt. And i said that knowing that would be the last thing I would ever say to him, and I wanted it to stick. I wish I could remember exactly what I said but it was over 2 years ago and I was honestly in a state of shock
ikr like how do people think that’s just some teen movie type shit? i be screaming my heart out at abusers and drop the HARDEST BARS KNOWN TO MANNN. when i’m enraged and hurt and passionate i will drop bars so hard people question their will to live!!
Does it weird anyone else out that she did in fact just move her new husband into that house? I know she loved that house but i would feel odd if i were Erik just quickly replacing another man’s spot in his own house. I’m sure it was in Colleen’s name or she bought Josh out of his half but still 😬 like wouldn’t you want a fresh start elsewhere?
Yeah it’s weird. It would be a bit different if they didn’t have the money to move, but that obviously wasn’t the case. Considering all we’ve heard about Coleen by people who knew her, it could have been a power move on her part
@@lemonadewithstrawberries i think it just speaks to Colleen’s self centered way of living. Of course my best friend lives with us. Of course you move into my house i shared with my husband, etc.
Oh hey Adam 👋 ❤ Crazy thing I've been thinking about since your vid about colleen's fundraiser... she of course acts like its the most important thing in the world to her. She has completely missed her chance to speak up before everything possible was exposed... i do wonder if, when and how she will make her come back. I truly wonder if she will come back in time to try to have this fundraiser in November or do the cancer kids get skipped on this year because she's too cancelled to care about them now?
Can i just say the maturity and accountability everyone has taken in this whole situation has been really nice to see :) hopefully it sets a good example for others and people are more willing to admit to their mistakes and apologize in the future instead of sweeping mistakes under the rug
i think the part that probably frustrated josh was saying "i don't believe it." i get that you feel it's dramatic and like a teen movie, but discounting it and saying you don't believe it is most likely what he wanted to clear up. i don't know if you didn't hear yourself say it in the playback but that's what stood out to me the most
I think a subtle nuance that’s important, and that Josh cleared up, was the difference between words spoken and words texted. So thank you Adam, for continuing to add depth and context and transparency :)
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Please stop. Enough.
I hope you told Josh about your new understanding of the situation...
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I do get uncomfortable with the amount of making fun and nitpicking of Josh that goes on - he is an abuse victim, he’s been one of the most harassed people on social media, I think everyone could stand to be a bit easier on the guy.
Also I said this on the last video but: with people making fun of him for vlogging all the time, Colleen had to be nice to Josh while he was vlogging. He could guarantee she wasn’t going to abuse him while he was vlogging. It’s no wonder he was vlogging constantly it probably became the time he felt the most safe and a thing he could do to relieve anxiety. And it’s understandable to be anxious going down the aisle to marry Colleen Ballinger.
Yes totally agree! He deserves some peace and respect, he’s earned that much! I got annoyed listening to Ethan dunk on him too, it was totally unnecessary.
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Fantastic point I never thought of
Woah, never thought about it this way. Great point!
Wow, that’s such a good point about the vlogging! I didn’t think of that, but it makes perfect sense!
I’m glad how transparent and compassionate Josh is being to this whole situation.
Thats what years of therapy and admitting your fault in things will do. Shows hes grown since the days of colleen
@@paulabroadworth2504 agreed.
He has worked *so* hard to get to the place he is now. It’s awe-inspiring. I think Josh has always had a pure heart.
@@yesterdayitrained I agree.
Me too! He’s been completely broken. I wish Adam would just leave him alone. I wish everyone would.
I can totally understand why Josh would say that. I was married for 12 years and acted out the same way. When your heart is shattered and you realize the person you married is a horrible person.
i am so sorry this happened to you i hope you got closure and were able to move on and work on your mental health 💙
exactly. you truly believe you love this person and you walk in on a betrayal. Your heart shatters, the curtain behind Oz is lifted, and all you want to do is impose an emotional and intellectual guilt on the person who betrayed you. You want them to feel as bad as they have made you feel. Totally a possibility
I hope you are better after your parting
Why are you sticking with Adam he is just abusing the poor lady for money
@@awesomeperson5051no
@awesomeperson5051 which poor lady? Colleen?
Work on your critical thinking.
Also, dramatic is not always a bad thing! In this case, Josh's "last line" was very ballsy and perfect. As someone who has also been cheated on in a marriage, I'm glad he said that to her! We have to understand, like you said, that we as the "audience" will never get the whole context (and it's not really any of our business, tbh.)
I would say Josh is entitled to feel and be dramatic. I vividly remember the last thing l said to my ex and l think l'd be annoyed as hell if a third party said l was acting like a teen movie. Feelings are messy.
Btw, l agree with everything you said in your original comment!
I felt it as a nineties-born person, where Last Lines like Josh's were prevalent. Ya cut deep, walk off in slow motion.
I'm sure Joshua played the moment out a thousand times in his head. So no i don't think he came up with it on the spot, but yeah i can say that's a pretty good last line
I felt like his explanation made sense too: people are mad because he is a MAN who said it to a WOMAN.
If the situation was reversed and she said it to him, it would be all “go girl”. Men are allowed to have feelings too- especially when the lives they built are falling apart around them.
I mean I can believe it. The last thing I said to my ex husband was “I hope you have fun burning in hell!” & then I drove away. When you get cheated on things become very dramatic especially if you’re married your bitter and at you most vulnerable lord only knows what is going to come out of your mouth.
Hell yeah! Sending past you a high five!
@@uninvincibleete Thank you! lol best part was my brother looked at me and was like “Damn aight! let’s go get drinks for that one.” 😂🤣😂
Colleen did a divorce because Davidson would abuse her and threatens her and wouldn’t let her do vlogs or let her work and he would get angry at her but Davidson is so bad
@@awesomeperson5051 it’s been proven he wasn’t abusive
well that’s dramatic. there’s nothing wrong with that. i’m confused why people take such offense to their action being called dramatic when it was dramatic on purpose. dramatic doesn’t mean stupid or bad. it means it has a big effect.
I feel like the part that Josh was responding to was not that you said it was dramatic, but that you said you didn’t believe him. It plants doubt into your listeners ears. I appreciate everything you’ve done to cover each step of this journey, just thought I’d throw that out there.
Yep! Idk how Adam is missing that hah. love you Adam but you were saying you didn’t believe him.
The last thing I said to my ex that cheated on me in person was "you will get exactly what you deserve with her." Sometimes you have just gotta be a little dramatic. Especially when you get your heartbroken.
Yeah i had stormed out and came back just to say "you re gonna miss me everyday of your fuck1ng life" if that isnt the moment to unleash your drama queen...idk
Victims very rarely get the chance to ‘drop the mic’ on their abusers like this
She wasn’t his abuser she was just an asshole
Sometimes life is more dramatic than the movies. I have had moments and situations that feel that way. Proud of Josh for getting that in because being cheated on is incredibly cruel. It’s always satisfying when it lines up like a *moment* lol.
Eh, saying it's dramatic/teen movie feels like an insult. Not a big fan of calling it that.
If you have a cheating spouse, you're gonna want to say something that will leave an impression.
Cut them deep, or make them think. No one is gonna sit down and have a nice, un-emotional chat about
why the other person is garbage.
yep, agreed 100%. At this point I'm of the mind that Adam was seeing him as only just on the wrong side of 'fair game', which I honestly don't think josh is given how radically open to criticism he appears to be. That, to me, suggests someone who is in a very vulnerable state of mind and somebody who probably shouldn't be the subject of run-of-the-mill drama reactions where little nitpicks like this can be made.
Adams really showing his age with his comment and now defending of that comment
« something that will leave an impression » is what dramatic means in that context. You really just want to call him immature just for the hell of it. Yes it was dramatic. You’re admitting it.
@@amygray4499Definitely, I hope he realizes he's not as mature as he thinks, eventually.
@@jubs96He said it felt like something from a movie and that he didn't believe it was true, several times.
I don’t think of what Josh said as “dramatic”. If anything, that’s one hell of a ballsy thing to say to his abuser. I fell like what Josh said was his “Gotcha” moment for catching Colleen cheating.
Exactly, dramatic seems like a jab
so so true, swoop TOLD US that this interview was SEVEN HOURS and we only saw bits and pieces and the video was HOURS long. she and her team put in sooo much effort and you’re so right it is very selfish of US to assume that she would make 10-15 HOUR long videos explaining the 7 HOUR long interview yk? ADOREEEE SWOOP SO SO MUCH LOVE ALLLL OF HER DOCS 😍😍
The fact that he is so open with his truth actually makes me so happy for him finally getting his voice back and being able to speak about what happened I cannot imagine what it was like to be silenced and backed into a corner with hate from so many people who WEREN’T THERE WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES and not to be able to defend yourself at all 🥺
Not to mention that everything she was feeding her fans and everyone else was completely one-sided. The age demographic of the fans was such that they mostly don't get that in a divorce there are two sides and that each side will likely skew the truth (which lies in between somewhere) in their own favor to some greater or lesser degree. tl;dr: Young people don't have as many "grains of salt" with which to take things, which worked in Colleen's favor.
Adam I appreciate your content and I've been following your story for a while. I'm sorry about everything that's happened to you and all the other victims, you were just kids, and you didn't deserve it! Your voices matter and I'm so proud to see you guys standing up for what's right! But, in my opinion, as a victim of abuse, I'd be livid at someone making fun of my last words to my abuser by calling it dramatic or comparing it to a silly end at the end of a teen movie... when it's my real life. This video was more of you excusing Swoop's "editing" than saying sorry for your sly comment. He should not have to explain himself to "make more sense" and you don't need to commentate on everything. From what I'm seeing, it looks like you're slowly becoming kind of desensitized to stories of abuse. Josh did not comment on what happened to you in that way, why do that to him? And again, this video should not have been all about thanking Swoop, but instead apologizing and commentating on how everyone keeps picking fun at Josh. This was a total deflection when it should have been taking accountability for your words. Imagine that he's thought of that moment for days on end for YEARS since then? How he probably feels now with everyone saying this.... Still love ya content xoxo
NOT THE XOXO AT THE END but in all seriousness, I have to agree I did find it weird that he didn't really apologize
@@lilsnowbat agree.
I find it weird that everyone is missing the fact that Swoop is the reason it reads as "dramatic".
She tells stories, to make her $$. This was edited for maximum impact. It's what she used for her teaser/trailer.
She knew what she was doing. It sold the story extremely well. Probably had Colleen 💩ing her pants.
But, I mean, who cares what it does to Josh. Right? 🙄 (sarcasm).
Right he took no accountability at all, he could’ve agreed he still thought it was dramatic because he stood by those words by saying “I don’t believe it” or “i had no bad intention” sometimes you don’t but the impact you had clearly hurt Josh that’s why he commented on it??? So just apologize and take accountability for hurting his feelings that’s it. But instead a whole 20min vid of him deflecting😭😭
Agreed
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If you've ever been so hurt and so broken and angry, it wouldn't sound dramatic. Josh is closer to my age and him saying that as his last statement seemed natural to me because I've seen and heard people do this. I think nowadays people see it as dramatics because most younger people have been inundated with reality tv, celebrity drama and all that. You know drama more, you've seen scenes play out in front of you so it feels unreal. Everything is out there, versus it use to be that things were mostly behind closed doors. The culture leans to dramatics, so that is easier perceived. To me, it didn't seem dramatic, it seemed like a person that has had enough and said that in the heat of pain and passion. Nothing against you at all, just thought I'd add that perspective. It may be an age thing, Idk, but I like your vids. So thank you for the content you put out there.
Adam needs a dose of actual reality and not reality tv. And to separate Hollywood from real life.
Also kind of think it has to do with everyone hyping him up about his maturity. Like he's still 20. Doesn't matter how mature you are if you haven't had the life experience to use to talk about things that happen in long term romantic relationships. Etc.
@@FukaiKokororight .. it was just unnecessary that he mentioned it imo
Same here. I'm in my 40sand can see why he said it and he isn't the first honestly.
i agree! that was my thinking too re: Josh being closer to my age.
(disclaimer: due to the lack of paragraph breaks + my vision impairment, i was only about to get through the first few lines of your comment. but what i could read i totally agree with!)
As a way older person ... All of this!!! Well said.
so proud of you for being able to watch yourself.
I think that's a normal reaction every human has to watching themselves talk?
@vvotchme1576 honestly no. I look at old videos of myself and I'm like "ah hah hah who's that hottie?"
@@lemonadewithstrawberries you're so funny so iconic so moronic
✨growth✨
Swoop and D'Angelo Wallace have taught me so much with their hours long docs. Im forever grateful they choose to make content
I think it makes sense for Josh to be dramatic in this situation. He was the victim here. I also wonder if he has any other experience dating before Colleen. He talked about how he waited to have sex until he was married and that made me wonder if this was just a reaction from someone who has never truly had an adult relationship. I know I was very dramatic in my past dating experiences because I was inexperienced. Just a thought!
I would have said the same damn thing. If you haven’t been in a long term abusive relationship I get how it’s dramatic. But words mean a lot in circumstances like that. Being petty in a situation like josh’s is %100 reasonable.
definitely 💯 agree 👍🏼
It should have been dramatic, and that is okay. They were married and had been together for years. I know marriage doesn't mean so much to some people today but Josh thought it was forever, as it should be.
Adam definitely is allowing Hollywood and reality tv to cloud his judgement.
Because he's only 20 he hasn't had barely any life experience. He's never experienced being betrayed, emotionally used and abused in a long term romantic relationship so it kinda feels he's compairing to Hollywood or reality tv.
That statement is such a slay, though. “When you’re screwing him in MY BED, think of ME.” I do believe him, because some people are very dramatic and witty in real life. 💅🏽
I don't think he's blaming swoop. We get that she put alot of work into it..., he's just saying that it wasn't the full context.
Swoop is the person responsible FOR it not being presented in context. This particular issue was designed with the intention to BE dramatic, to make sure the video got as many views as possible.
She tells stories to make money. That's a statement, not a judgment. She sold this story extremely well.
@@renfairegoddess I agree, I'm sure she's made ALOT of money from these videos, and this whole situation.
Nope he didn’t blame her. But she has to make sure everything is perfect when selling this story.
past adam: "can i be honest?"
present adam: "yes"
past adam: "is this a safe space?"
present adam: " n o "
Adam! LOL No, saying "it sounds dramatic" isn't saying you don't believe him, but saying, "I don't believe him," - x2 - IS saying you don't believe him. I think you two are great and are probs on good terms and all, and this isn't at all drama - but let's be fair! 😆
Nothing wrong with saying it is dramatic, but your "I don't believe him" I could see how that could be triggering. I don't think any of it was malicious, but yeah those words are understandably sensitive.
Yes
Thank you for continuing to send context into the situation. Honestly I really appreciate all of your honesty all the way through this. It shows how much integrity you carry yourself with as a person and I can’t say that for many of the commentary channels I’ve seen. I think that you’re meant for great things and you’re gonna go far! Much love always 💙
Yes! Integrity is the word.
It really annoyed me that when they got to the part in Olivia's powerpoint where Colleen was telling Shane Dawson that Josh was being abusive on their honeymoon that Ethan was believing Colleen and doubting Josh? I think it is important to take allegations of physical abuse seriously but if the person has a track record of lying in extremely serious and hurtful ways, then I think it is fair to doubt their claims. Josh has been transparent and open about everything, he deserves to be believed over Colleen. I personally think that Colleen's treatment of Josh was extremely abusive and that he was the victim in that situation. It is important to believe victims, when gender roles are switched and there are abuse claims going both ways it is trickier, but usually the evidence makes things a lot clearer.
Ethan wasn’t “believing” Colleen, he was processing the information live and out loud for the audience to hear and he didn’t immediately agree with every single word. Even Adam himself has done the exact same thing lol.
I actually like that Ethan doesn’t always immediately agree with everything, he just took his time and discussed it with his crew on the show. That’s exactly why, like Ethan, Peter Monn is so great (and Adam now of course). Many people appreciate and find it refreshing how they are honest and refuse to suck up to anyone, ESPECIALLY fellow UA-camrs.
Ethan has been dragging Colleen this entire time lmao. He has supported Josh a lot during every episode that they have discussed it, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t question or disagree with SOME things he said or did. That’s the entire purpose of having a discussion.
I dont think that Ethan was trying imply that Josh was actually abusing Colleen. My opinion is that they had a small argument but it was such a nothing burger that Josh forgot about it while Colleen was massively over exaggerating and straight up lying about what happened to Shane because she was furious at him
@@backwardsbandit8094 That was how I took that incident too! Which is why I thought it was odd that Ethan seemed to be making more of it? His reaction just felt weird to me.
@@miranda13c I actually completely agree!! I think having a discussion and looking at the situations from all angles is important (and omg I adore Peter Monn!). This one bit stuck out to me in the whole segment bc Ethan kept on it for a bit and seemed like he had to be convinced that making something like that up is totally something Colleen would do, and to me he seemed more willing to believe that Colleen was maybe being truthful to Shane than he was willing to believe that Josh hadn't actually abused her. It just seemed a bit like victim blaming to me and I felt for Josh since it is common for people to be less willing to believe male abuse victims. But hey, that is just how I saw it, I could easily be reading too much into it! It was the only part of the show that kinda irked me and I really appreciate how H3 have been covering the story. Thanks for writing such a thoughtful reply though, I appreciate your perspective and I think we are on the same page in general, we just saw this one bit differently. :)
Believing people blind is what he did with Johnny and looked what happened
I love how you responded to this.
I will say that it may sound dramatic to us, but when you’ve known for a long time that your wife is doing this & doesn’t respect you it can come down to this.
I think there’s so much that they couldn’t include, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen.
I love your coverage & I respect him for coming forward. ❤
what Josh said to Colleen after VidCon is pretty similar to something Alanis Morissette directed towards Dave Coulier in her excellent song "You Oughta Know". I imagine it's a pretty common line. I do believe him. Yeah, it does sound dramatic, which (I think) is the whole point in delivering such a line.
Yes! I came looking for this comment and was going to post the same if it wasn't here already. That song came out in 1995, and Josh is a 90s music fan. Anyone around at that time would know that reference. I'm a little older than Josh, and I remember how ICONIC that song was! That phrase was totally something everyone growing up back then would have known--and yes! It does come from a place of massive hurt, not being cute and dramatic, for sure. Great song! 🎶
My first thought too. I hope he went full millennial and quoted the whole song to her.
I have just been quietly watching all this, and I'm very happy you came out with your story and have finally been believed like you deserve. "dramatic" does not equal "untrue" that is important, and would be a valid point, but you DID say in that clip "I don't believe that. I don't believe it." " so that would be where the invalidation comes from. The problem isn't you saying it sounds dramatic or the timeline or Swoop's team or the editing, it's that you straight up said you don't believe him. You just kind of ignored that part...
i said i didn’t believe that was the last convo cuz it didn’t make sense with the timeline and shocker, it wasn’t the last convo that’s why i didn’t address it in vid
@@AdamMcIntyreit's too much of course they talked to each other in the meantime of the divorce
But he also said "I'm gonna believe him because he said it."
@@FCUK- after 4/5 minutes of explaining why he didn't, making that sound more like a cover. like, "i'm gonna say i believe him but wink, wink i really don't."
it's fine now, Josh added context, Adam cleared it up + says he now believes him. it is what it is. all good.
@@AdamMcIntyreyoung and dumb...... stopping talking on ADULT relationships you have no idea what happens in the union of a marriage
Josh seems like he's on the righteous path these days. I'm not sure how productive it is to pull apart what he said the moment his life fell apart. I hope he can find some kind of justice out of all of this.
Honestly, I agreed with you until I remembered that I said something ten times more dramatic to my ex when she left me lmao
Lol
Oh, c'mon, Josh's most impressionable ages were smack dab in the middle of the peak of teen dramas. He can be dramatic along with every other 90s kid, with or without the context.😉
You did say you don't believe him initially (@2:32) 😅 but obviously that doesn't mean you were unwilling to be convinced otherwise with more information.
The back pedaling seemed unnecessary. You do you, Adam, your heart is in the right place ❤
He said he didn’t believe that that was the last time they had spoken to each other, not that he didn’t believe that Josh said that.
@@themajesticspaceduck The way that Adam phrased it in the initial video makes it seem like he didn’t believe it. Obviously now with clarification, we know that Adam meant he thought there was more context to the story. Either way, I’m glad it’s all cleared up 🫶
There are certain responsibilities when it comes to publicly dealing with people who have been through trauma, and if Adam wants to be ethical in his coverage then it was absolutely necessary to backpedal on picking on a pretty inconsequential detail and saying that he didn't believe it to the public. People have a nasty habit of getting stuck on 'inconsistencies' like that and using it to undermine peoples' entire accounts.
@@themajesticspaceduck he literally mentions the last thing he said sounded like a teen movie. It doesn't really matter at this point, so I'm not trying to argue.
@@peggy7744I hear you and it's not so much the backpedaling that was unnecessary, but denying that he said he didn't believe Josh when clearly he did. Adam should just own it and say he knows better now. ❤
Here’s the thing tho
Josh and Colleen are former theatre kids.
Aka the most dramatic people in existence lol
Joshua is such a wonderful and gentle soul. He’s one of the most respectful, calm persons I know. Defense isn’t his first choice, go to.
If Josh has a Scorpio Mars like I do, I absolutely believe he said exactly that. It’s a statement that says “I know what’s going on, you’re not slick” in an extremely cutting way. Bravo, honestly
As a scorpio stellium i'm 100% like this too
@@neeren777Fr i got 4 major scorpio placements and im like. Yea i would say that and then never talk to them again LMAOO
Exactly. It was a parting shot.
"🖕. I'm done with you and your BS."
Even before the extra context when that final sentence sounded teen movie-ish it was still badass!! It was like a final fuck you to Colleen and she deserved it! So Go Josh!
Have you ever been cheated on my a long term partner, in your own bed? Cause I have and I said damn near the same to my ex!
Why tbh, I think Adam's way too young and not experienced in that type of thing to really understand, (Which isn't a bad thing!) when you're well into adult hood and you had signs thrown at you that your long term partner was cheating on you, yeah you're gonna say something so metal cause you knew. Suspicions were correct!
@@Megasaurusify I say Adams a lil too young to really grasp at it. And i wouldn't hold it against him. Yes hes forced to mature really fast but hes still 20. He hasnt experienced the betrayal of a lomg term partner (heavens forbid tho).
I wish Josh were the one who had gotten famous, making the big bucks, he’s much more likable than Colleen. Of course, being a Southern gal, my heart melts a little when he speaks! But honestly, I hope he continues to have a really happy life with his wife off social media and doesn’t let any tidbit of fame from this lure him back in. 😀
I don't see why the context of when those words spoken changes anything. The way I see it, he was already hurt by the party incident. The following days just would have worn him out more emotionally.
So saying that the words makes more sense and are less dramatic cuz he was obviously hurt by the surge of rejection and betrayal is a bit cope imo.
Just own the fact that you initial felt that it was a dramatic statement, but later on decided it wasn't really that dramatic.
Opinions change over time especially those formed in the heat of the moment.
100%. was trying to find the words for how this vid made me feel & you're spot on
It does sound dramtic but very real! When you build something with someone and pick out the bed together and the sheets that go on that bed it's on another level of hurt. Even if I have a good separation I'll usually get a new mattress and replace all of the sheets.
WHEN A MAN OR WOMAN IS HURT/HEARTBROKEN, they say/do/think /wish all kinds of things to/about the one that hurt them. Not teen DRAMA JUST HEARTBROKEN.🙏💚💛💙💜❤ "Hurt people hurt people.""
I wish people who do these long interviews would release the unedited versions too. They underestimate how many of us would sit 6 hours and listen 😂 and it wouldn’t take any extra time for them to post it raw. I’d love to see all of johnnys.
Totally agree!
The processing time of a video that long is absurd. And there were likely a lot of details that would not have been appropriate to share outside of that room.
Ikr
I think Adam will also understand what I am about to say as there is a severe overlap in both Adam's & Josh's trauma. Both have been attacked and insulted and ab***d for years for speaking out so the moment there is even a micro suggestion that your story is being doubted again, that it's now a trauma response the need to explain and clarify. If I am right in any way I can only imagine how triggering it must have been for Josh so I have to give him a massive props on how well worded his comment and response was. I think it says a lot about his character self awareness and control. I think for everyone involved, no matter how painful and triggering it might have been to have to relive this again, it has also been very healing to be able to speak about it openly and honestly and seeing the army of ppl standing by them and listening. Hopefully this story soon finds it ending, everyone will find their closure and will be able to fully close this chapter once and for all.
They aren't victims anymore. They all are now SURVIVORS. ❤❤❤
I found out my ex was cheating on me 2 weeks before our wedding and when I confronted him it was a raphsody of everything I ever did wrong from him, but I asked him "why did you say you loved me when you obviously didn't?" and he responded "because I knew you needed to hear that so you would stay". He was an abusive smudge of human trash. My response was to tell him the wedding and our relationship was done and gave him back the ring. He asked what he was supposed to do with it and I told him "good luck trying to return it, I hope you kept the receipt". Never spoke to him again. Art imitates life and personal experience (Colleen is a perfect example).
The last thing I said to my emotionally abusive partner was, “I hope you find someone who is exactly like you. Yet, I hope they never did to you what you did to me. Because it’s easy to not break who you love.” You do stuff like that when you finally break and walk away.
Josh Evans is a sweetheart and stayed to long wanting her to love him,SO many of you can relate so don't lie..at least he's being honest like so many aren't
Agreed.
You know what I find to be very hilarious is that Johnny and Colleen are still silent. 😂
idk I get it. I've said dramatic shit right before walking away before and it would hurt for someone to accuse me of making it up to sound like I was cool or something.
You said in the video that you didn't believe it. I can understand why he'd want to say something. No one is the "a-hole", but you can say it sounds dramatic without accusing someone of lying.
josh has become so freaking mature and i’m so happy for his growth. same with you, adam. you’re just a few months younger than me but i look up to you so much with how you’re handling all of this
"Can I be honest?" "Yes." "Is this a safe space" "No." killed me😆
Adam watching Adam watching H3H3 watching Swoop
There are LAYERS, honey.
The problem isn’t that Swoop edited something out which caused Josh’s statement to sound more dramatic, the problem is that EV-E-RY-THING is being brought in a way that makes the whole situation sound more dramatic. Making an elephant out of a mosquito, is what we say in Dutch.
Adam, you literally said in the clip before you commented about it being dramatic "I don't believe it". I think that was why Josh went out of his way to comment about it being true. It wasn't just about you saying it was dramatic.
Adam im thankful you share your experiences it makes me comfortable to speak up
Once outside of the courthouse while going through court for custody/visitation/support my ex and I decided to yell at each other in the rain from opposite sides of the steps. Me crying in the rain "just dont bring her around our daughter" 10 years later i still appreciate the B role i was cast in to end that relationship. It was a fitting end lol.
Not you roasting yourself
"Is this a safe space?" "No."
I LOVE how you love & stand up for Swoop! Out of this entire mess, you and Swoop’s interactions have been the sweetest, most beautiful, unexpected thing! You both shine even brighter together!
i have covid and your videos are a great distraction love you mucker !! ❤
hope you have a quick recovery 🙏🏾
Feel better soon ❤❤❤❤
Hope you have a quick recovery! Covid fucking SUCKS
Oh no. Get better soon. Lots of vitamin d x
Also take the zinc vitamin too that helps with recovery
lol I literally just finished watching that video and then this one popped up. I appreciate you clarifying what you meant cuz I also kinda thought you were saying you didn’t believe that part of the story to be tru
Ngl I kinda wish swoop would drop the unedited interview tapes. That shit would light the internet on fire lol
Today’s been shitty, so thank you, Adam, for your consistent content! Seeing this notification made my day. Love you ❤️❤️
Oh, fights can make you say all sorts of things in the moment. It is the anger and upset you feel in the moment.
Look, ive been through some DRAMATIC breakups. I thought the last thing he said to Colleen in person was pretty tame. I 100% believe him
I’m glad you’re going back to address Josh’s comment! It took me aback a bit when you said that you didn’t believe that it happened so I’m happy Josh got to clarify!
wait i don’t get what the confusion is for… he’s recounting the time where he ended his long term relationship so ofc it’s gonna be dramatic?? 😭
yeah i just finished the vid and concluded you’re the one being dramatic. it’s been obvious from the start that he said that from a place of hurt… sure the context was nice but nothing about what he said didn’t make sense?? the context didn’t change the meaning of anything and you’re contradicting yourself in this entire video. first it’s “it’s dramatic” then it’s “it’s not dramatic but” then it’s “i don’t believe him” then it’s “it’s not that i don’t believe him” i’m so lost
This shows that even though a tad mature, Adam is still just a. Inexperienced immature 20 year old.
@@skzpinklover9277fr im so bothered by the backpedalling like just say ur sorry for doubting that someone would justifiably say that to their abuser 💀
adam talking to himself is killing me😂😂😂
17:51, I'm so glad you had that reaction, it made me feel seen, I feel like my heart's been so broken for Josh and although there's a lot of positive reactions for Josh now, I remember watching the Swoop video sobbing for Josh, because while I wasn't in the "fandom" I was there for the divorce and watched him get absolutely dogpiled on. If you find your way here Josh I love you and I see you and stand with you.
Swoop did an INCREDIBLE job with this video series. This was WAY beyond UA-cam, that was mainstream media league.
Adam, this isn't about intent. It's about impact. Whether you intended to hurt Josh's feelings or not, you clearly did, and he's expressing that to you. I know your live streams are off the cuff, but your words do affect others.
I've been watching your videos for a few months now (binging, really) and if someone nitpicked something you'd said in an interview, you would probably rake them over the coals, so why is it okay to do it to Josh?
Yeah I left a similar comment like this above and yeah.... Yeah.
he literally... literally posted this video to take accountability LMFAO like what the fuck else do you expect him to do
@@WillZella nobody asked lmfao
@@hamilcross Saying things like "Well, that wasn't my intention" and "I'm sorry- but" is more of a deflection than a proper apology or statement of accountability
@@hamilcrossdon't be a turd prob
Yes - thanks for clarification - I hope Josh can find peace after all he’s been through. I really feel for him.
swoop work is so incredible, she is so iconic i always wonder how she isn’t a celebrity already
I never thought him saying that to her was dramatic, I thought it was perfect. If I was in his position finding out my husband did all that to me behind my back and so publicly, I might have said even worse.
I had a long term relationship where the last thing he said to me was “no one will ever love you as much as I do” definitely dramatic, and true. People say dramatic and harsh things when they’re hurt.
Ive had a grown man in their 30s say things like that to me so it isn't surprising or shocking or unbelievable. It is dramatic but it happens.
Woah yeah the way it was edited i totally thought his exit sentence was said the same night he came home and it smelled like cigs etc. Knowing it happened later makes it seem way less movie-like. No one’s fault though! And it doesn’t make a huge difference in the story anyways
you could've just replied to his comment on the last video and left it at that, but i love that you actually made a video about this to clarify both your and his viewpoints/explanations; it shows that you care about the truth and also about Josh himself.
Adam makes money by making videos. Nothing wrong with that. A comment reply isn't monetized.
I think the only reason it seemed dramatic was because it sounded like weeks/months worth of chaotic events were combined into one evening (VidCon), which is not true. This was just a minor misunderstanding, and I'm glad that Adam prioritized sharing Josh's comment/explanation 😊
Never any doubt in my mind when i watched it that josh said this. Yes its dramatic, yes its cliche, maybe a bit cringe, seems on brand for josh at the time and wouldn't we all want that dramatic pinnacle one-liner movie moment with the people who hurt us.
Exactly, if there any is a good time to be dramatic, it’s when you find out your partner has been cheating after 10 years of a relationship.
Condensing a story is a huge challenge to do well! That's why we have such mad respect for Swoop.
If Swoop showed each and every moment she shot of each interview OH MY GOD!!! Just between John and Josh there would be 13 hours of video to watch. Don’t get me wrong it’s interesting as HELL. But that’s a lot of time to dedicate to a series. I mean for real I had to divide up the 4 hours of Johnnys into a few days. Because I couldn’t get it watched in one sitting. Swoop got the majority of the Josh interview in the last video. So it’s not like we missed much
It was apparently a 7 hour interview, so we missed, what, under half-ish, iirc? I think Swoop would be wise to release full versions of these interviews (with the obvious caveat of editing out sensitive things people wanted off the record), so that way we get every possible bit of context. She may not be able to leave it all in her documentaries, but she could provide it so we know all the details possible, since obviously she has to edit for maximum impact.
Didn’t she say in that one she’s done over 24 hours of interviews for the series? 👀🥴👀
Last thing I said to my ex was something along the lines of “you’re dead to me” or “don’t ever speak to me again”. Whatever it was, it was nasty. But that’s the shit you say when you are hurt. And i said that knowing that would be the last thing I would ever say to him, and I wanted it to stick. I wish I could remember exactly what I said but it was over 2 years ago and I was honestly in a state of shock
Have people never stormed of DRAMATICALLY, serving the BEST last words ever?? Just me?? And Josh?? Okay.
ikr like how do people think that’s just some teen movie type shit? i be screaming my heart out at abusers and drop the HARDEST BARS KNOWN TO MANNN. when i’m enraged and hurt and passionate i will drop bars so hard people question their will to live!!
this makes so much more sense i'm glad he could clarify this and thanks for spreading the word!!
Sounded like josh was hurt so badly and wanted her to think twice about what she has done to him and of course she didn’t
Does it weird anyone else out that she did in fact just move her new husband into that house? I know she loved that house but i would feel odd if i were Erik just quickly replacing another man’s spot in his own house. I’m sure it was in Colleen’s name or she bought Josh out of his half but still 😬 like wouldn’t you want a fresh start elsewhere?
Yeah it’s weird. It would be a bit different if they didn’t have the money to move, but that obviously wasn’t the case. Considering all we’ve heard about Coleen by people who knew her, it could have been a power move on her part
If I was Eric I would've insisted we move lol
This is fair. But if the speculation that she was cheating on Josh with Erik is true, that's literally what he signed up for
@@lemonadewithstrawberries good point
@@lemonadewithstrawberries i think it just speaks to Colleen’s self centered way of living. Of course my best friend lives with us. Of course you move into my house i shared with my husband, etc.
can i be honest?
yes
is this a safe space?
no
Swoop listened to Johnny yabbering on for like 6 hours. she deserves sainthood.
The way you say “Swip” makes me smile.
Adam, How do you say loop, goop, boop, coop, hoop etc etc??
i love how understanding and mature you are all being over this misunderstanding
I'm way too invested in this 😥
If you’ve ever been cheated on you definitely can understand why Josh would say that
It made me think of Alanis Morissette's "you oughta know"
U gives us so much content. My comfort youtuber fr
At work listening to this 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 thank you for always keeping up updated!!
Oh hey Adam 👋 ❤
Crazy thing I've been thinking about since your vid about colleen's fundraiser... she of course acts like its the most important thing in the world to her. She has completely missed her chance to speak up before everything possible was exposed... i do wonder if, when and how she will make her come back. I truly wonder if she will come back in time to try to have this fundraiser in November or do the cancer kids get skipped on this year because she's too cancelled to care about them now?
Can i just say the maturity and accountability everyone has taken in this whole situation has been really nice to see :) hopefully it sets a good example for others and people are more willing to admit to their mistakes and apologize in the future instead of sweeping mistakes under the rug
i think the part that probably frustrated josh was saying "i don't believe it." i get that you feel it's dramatic and like a teen movie, but discounting it and saying you don't believe it is most likely what he wanted to clear up. i don't know if you didn't hear yourself say it in the playback but that's what stood out to me the most
I think a subtle nuance that’s important, and that Josh cleared up, was the difference between words spoken and words texted. So thank you Adam, for continuing to add depth and context and transparency :)
I hope y’all continue to find healing and growth from all of these vital conversations. ❤️