Whatever We Think We Know About Species 10-C We're Wrong • Star Trek Discovery S04E10
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2022
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It is good to see officials having some humour in official meetings. The Asian Science officer was great while laughing at jokes and eating his snacks. Some people go to work meetings for the coffee/tea and snacks and barely listen to the presentation. 😂
"...I cannot fathom anything even remotely as urgent as this."
"And I intend to keep it that way."
This guy operates on a whole other level from the rest of these people. This threat to all of their existences is just another day at the office for him. His bad day stuff must be nightmares for everyone else.
He has got to be Section 31
He is the nightmare.
No he's in charge of the people who keep the nightmares away.
on the new season of discovery, he's in charge of "red directive"
3 hour tour comment was an obscure Gilligan's Island refrence. A touch of comedy.
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of a fateful trip...
It was a reference to the 2250 2d remake, not the 2300 holo.
funny throwback to the signs on the set of next gen where they used the lyrics from the shows theme as filler text
A lot of our figures of speed are from ancient pop culture
I appreciate the Gilligan's Island reference. Kovich is exactly the kind of guy who I would expect to have looked into that kind of historical stuff. Everyone else didn't get the joke because Gilligan's Island is 1200 years old. It would be like a historian in our time telling a joke he found in a manuscript from the 9th century that relied on historical context to be funny. Brilliant.
Yeah i dont know ancient greek jokes
@@KamepinUA Are you a historian? Cause some of them do. also 1200 years would be 9th century, ancient Greece is over a thousand years older. This would be like knowing a joke from during the Viking invasion of England.
@@pocketheart1450
One night, a Viking called Rudolph the red was looking out of his window when he suddenly said, “It’s going to rain.”
His wife asked, “How do you know?”
“Because Rudolph the red knows rain, dear.”
i can find some rocks out back so we can communicate in a meaningful way.. lmao
@@KamepinUA καὶ ἐπέτρεψεν αὐτοῖς. καὶ ἐξελθόντα τὰ πνεύματα τὰ ἀκάθαρτα εἰσῆλθον εἰς τοὺς χοίρους, καὶ ὥρμησεν ἡ ἀγέλη κατὰ τοῦ κρημνοῦ εἰς τὴν θάλασσαν, ὡς δισχίλιοι, καὶ ἐπνίγοντο ἐν τῇ θαλάσσῃ.
As much hate that appears to be in the comments we are getting some good stuff here, they are sitting down together and working out the problem like we would see in the ready room or engineering (or where-ever) in TNG and classic trek. I haven't watched this season but all the clips I watch seem to show a far more interesting Discovery season. Still with its problems though, I'm sure.
It's progress...
Now if they could stop cutting with close up reaction shots every 4-6 seconds when there is nothing to react too...
Heck, I'll take a wide shot, an over the shoulder... And while a moving camera isn't Michael Bay levels of bad, it's wasted in this sequence. It's a meeting. They don't need to inject movement when it's a low stakes meeting with no dramatic tension between the people in the meeting.
Whoever created the camera work bible of STD needs a tranquillizer and a lie down to regain perspective about when and how it's appropriate to move the camera. Just because they have the the rigs, doesn't mean they can't be locked down for a still shot.
No show is a problem to you and those who think as you. When will you shut up and stop watching. Do you really have to listen to you? We didn't, so thanks for making it so difficult for us to the really to talk the show to because people think their options only thing that matters and we show bow down to you. Grow up and shut up stop complaining about thing you have no control like this tv show
Dav… the stakes are very urgent. The destruction of Earth, N’Varr and the entire sector.
In this show... Croneneburg is so good. It's phenomenal. Perfection.
Look at my profile picture, I see croneneburg every day!!😆
Too bad his last film was NOT. :(
Kovich is excellently written
Ha! A Gilligan's Island reference. Epic :)
If not for the courage of the fearless crewwww...
age wise it’s a reference that only original would get, I wonder if it’s a nod to try and win over some dubious fans.
Everytime a trip or task takes longer than expected I always sing to myself, "A three hour tour, a three hour tour"
Might even be a holodeck program.
Unlike some people I like this show. I think going to the future was a great twist.
It was something desired by some fans after Voyager introduced more information about the future and time travel. DIS found it's path in the latest season. Took them longer than the other shows.
I hope they stay there so so many plot holes in tos don’t open up anymore. I don’t like this show but now that it is out of the way of shows like strange new worlds they both can do better without bumping into each other and messing things up. Not judging just my opinion just like your own opinion of this show.
I love Kovich. Who knew Cronenberg was such a good actor?
OOOOOOOO!!!
I had no idea it was him
Three hour tour. I feel like Cap saying I got that reference.
Mary Ann was my girl 👧😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
GILLIGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I felt he was channeling Sheldon Cooper myself.
We as fans deserved more of David Cronenberg's character than we were given.
Gotta say I’m loving sarus uniform
As far as i remembered he's already a captain though i dont know why he doesn't have his own ship, it was mentioned in first or second episode of season 4
@@kyt895 The same reason Captain Spock was first officer to Kirk in Star Trek 5 and 6, and Captain Scott was his chief engineer. also, in the real world US navy, it is normal to have multiple captain rank individuals on one ship. Saru came back to Starfleet, wanted to serve on Discovery, and has taken up the role of first officer/science officer just as Spock once did.
Its good to see that regardless of the iteration of this franchise… from TOS to Enterprise, the trek theme of supreme arrogance in that whomever or whatever these beings are, they must want to communicate and interact with us, still is a strong trope. lol
Another trek theme is supreme confidence in technology that fails at the worst possible moment.
@@CrazyAboutVinylRecords agreed.
This scene is discussing the opposite of what you discover.
This whole episode exemplified the opposite of this. The next 2 or 3 episodes actually.
The Sheliak and the Tholians (to name but two) beg to differ. Or, to put it differently, the show runners are decades ahead of you
Interesting to see 21st century suits and glasses are being worn. Perhaps he is going to a museum or costume party.
In a previous episode they ask about his glasses. He just likes wearing them for fashion.
He doesn't need the glasses and admits to wearing them because he likes them. If you look closely at the suit, it is clearly not 21st century. The cuts of the fabric, design of the lapels, everything down to the way the it is held together... just like the uniforms, I see no visible stitching. Even the top of his tie, where the knot should be, is some other material. Suits like his have been here for centuries in one form or another, I do not expect they are going away any time soon. For an out of uniform Starfleet official, it makes sense he would wear something aside from one of Jake Sisko's colorful tunics.
YES!!! Finally I've been noticing this for the past year now.
I love the fact that Starfleet of the 32nd century seems to have absorbed the lessons of the 24th century, and presumably onward. The fact that the technology is far advanced is trivial by comparison to demonstrating that they aren't just repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
When Star Trek took alien first contact seriously.
"I intent to keep it that way." ... Now that is section 31 ^^ [hadn´t have the time to watch the show]
Is that David Cronenberg?
the one and only.
Figure of speech, more like Gillian’s Island reference.
Don't Know Who Mr. " 20th Century Look" is
But He Does A Good "Jeff Goldblum In Jurassic Park" Gig
" You Know Nothing Because You Think You Know It All" Kind Of Thing
Dr. Kovich, played by David Cronenberg. A Starfleet official with the rank of Commodore according to his tricom badge. Also, if you look closely at the suit, it is clearly not 21st century. The cuts of the fabric, design of the lapels, everything down to the way the it is held together... just like the uniforms, I see no visible stitching. Even the top of his tie, where the knot should be, is some other material. Suits like his have been here for centuries in one form or another, I do not expect they are going away any time soon. For an out of uniform Starfleet official, it makes sense he would wear something aside from one of Jake Sisko's colorful tunics. I kind of assume he has latitude like Troi to wear civilian garb, as he seems to be some kind of psychologist. He is probably some kind of psyops guy, as we have also seen him counsel Dr. Culber, but most of what he does seems to be interrogations, debriefings, and is seen here discussing the potential issues with communicating with aliens who think very differently from us. Oh, and he openly admits to wearing glasses, even though he doesn't need them, because he likes how they look.
He's allergic to Retinax
Is "3-hour tour" a reference to Gilligan's Island?
And we all know how well that went...
Yes, so are they foreshadowing?
Actually the tour was 3 hours, the same ones that lasted the last 3 chapters XD
"...can not fathom..." seems to be the point of all our missteps.
1:49
Gilligans Island reference
I see foreshadowing for season 5- with Kovich
This should have CC enabled.
2:20 Lol what could be more urgent that the 10-c and their absolutely devastating technology?
Q...
@@luizfcavalcanti Why can I hear Picard moaning from the grave?
@@adamantu Picard can detect Q's antics even beyond the grave (if Q allowed it)
This ST was before Kirk and Picard
@@douglasallar9176 The badge on the table is the same Picard wears in the first episode of the second season... watch the episode.
Kovich is TOTALLY not Doctor Who. No. Entirely not.
No.
(And yes, I know their name isn’t Doctor Who. It’s Disco, Doctor Basil Disco).
Why does the Admiral in Discovery look so much like Captain Shaw of the Titan? Much just be one of those faces.
Federation can cure blindness in 24th century but not shortsightness in 31st.....I think they meant 21th rather than 31st because it looks too similar to our own century rather than the vision of bright future which was theme of star trek.
And you don’t think that maybe it’s then a choice? Given his position they are either or both a way of appearing weaker while being two steps ahead or they are displaying readouts without anyone knowing.
@@backupplan6058 I thought about it being a choice, but think about it. Do you see anyone now wearing glasses from thousand years ago? No, you don't. Even if he wore them as a fashion, he would wear ones that were more "up to date". Holo lenses, better materials, more ergonomic and those frames were garbage. They could be made much better, especially in 31st century. I don't believe even if he would make perfect replicas with replicator that he would keep such trashy frames that would hurt his eyes. For them, it would be no different from drinking poison.
@@ryutak4152 what is this character position? What does he do? You answer that and I will be happy to discuss this further with you but I hazard a guess you are unfamiliar with him and what he’s about to even comprehend what I’m explaining.
…do you not watch the series? They flat out talk about his glasses. They talk about correcting his vision in an instant. He even says he just likes them and how they make him look.
@@tcsnowdream9975 Oh, I don't mind the glasses on the guy, just how they were done and honestly, there are so many ways they can cure it in star trek that I ask myself how it is possible he even needs glasses. I just find it strange and stupid in the ways they've done it. Not the concept itself.
Have they thought about just listening ?
If they can't understand the language how the heck can they listen ? If they don't know how to communicate how can they listen?
Were did they get the name 10-C the borg perhaps
Lol I wish it was the named vulcans and romulans used as the designatory name til they contacts them for their actual name. As they seem to be pretty quiet for being a giant drill!
Jeezzz why the heck would they introduce the Borgs again…. Like that’s done. Picard is still sporting it but I rather meet new materials
I'm not sure if 10-C rhymes with any words with other known languages but in Japanese it would sound like "Tenshi" which means Angel. In episode 12, they made it clear that the 10-C is a Kardashev-II scale civilization which means they could already control the whole solar system they are situated into. Not to mention, they said the 10-C may be able to fly in the gaseous layers of their planet which is a gas giant considering their very light anatomy despite being big species in episode 11. If we look at it, angels in myth and religion are beings higher than humans but not possessing power like a god would. Just right for beings that are in Kardashev-II level.
@@Zyleace interesting observation. That's true about the Japanese word for "angel"... Well, one of the words at least.
Discovery has dabbled in angelic imagery. Would be interesting if it turns out that these are the biblically accurate angels 😂
"BE NOT AFRAID ☁️ ⚡👼⚡☁️"
It's the breast size of the species...
Could Kovich be the Watcher from Picard?
The Watcher would never be so hands on without whining about it. He's just a cool old Starfleet official, rank of commodore according to his tricom badge.
@@pocketheart1450the way he talks though makes him sound like he’s section 31
@@mattryan7124 I agree. Thats explain his interest in the Terran Empire
No way Cats are still wearing spectacles in that age
Too bad they removed it from streaming and hide it on yet another service we should pay for.
10cc's were alright.
It WAS funny
Ties? There are still ties eons into the future? Horrible news.
Did I just hear CBS admit they were wrong about Star Trek in an odd way?
Yes. You should see the first scene for this season. You can see it clearly there
A suit and tie? Where did he dig that out of in the 32nd century. 100s of years of interspecies influence and the suit and tie is the same? Fml
Why is somebody from the 31st century dressed like somebody from the 21st?
It is ironic that people are posting the meaning of the "three-hour" reference mainly to feel as smart as the writers of the show. I guess I did it to. LOL.
Where is this show going?
"Where no one has gone before."
Obscurity
You'd think glasses would be obsolete relics 1000 years from now.
I believe he chooses to wear them so he looks even more intelligent. The suit to appear older with the wiser.
Seriously
There are many things that are obsolete now that people still incorporate into their attire and lives, for myriad of reasons. Why does this one stick in your craw?
@@eme.261 Gee IDK, do you still have a chariot from 1000 years ago in yur garage?
@@gilhernandez605 - Yes, along with my 500+ paperback and hardcover books, even through I also own a Nook, a Kindle and have Audible on my mobile. I also have a landline phone, too. Gasp!
Cronenberg lifts up this crap to watchable.
Harley Dean
A 1000 year old saying seems like just the thing the secret leader of section 31 would say.
painful
Wow, I guess the writers on STD decided to strike before all the others.
Would anyone need to wear glasses in the distant future?
I think it ar VR glasses, when he interviews the Emperor he also touches them in a strange way, and like he said, it makes him look smarter.
@@R1ckj333 Glasses are sometimes perceived in our present day culture as creating an appearance of intelligence for the wearer, but in a world where they are not needed, glasses would make the wearer look odd at best, stupid at worst.
They flat out referenced it when he was debriefing mirror-Georgiu.
And don’t neglect that just because they can correct something doesn’t mean they do. Such as the whole explanation for why the Emerald chain scientist was in a wheelchair/mobility device
Allergy to Retinox-9 , or this far in the future it's probably Retinox-99!
why WHY does he uses glasses please whe need to know
He wears glasses, a suit and tie, and he makes references to Gilligan's Island. Remember when Star Trek presented us this futuristic society with its own culture, instead of just us in space?
True.
ALIEN CULTURE is more fascinating than the USA one, i mean earth one.
Yeah because the TOS episode where Kirk recites the Declaration of Independence to an alien species and stands for the American flag was "space culture."
Or where Picard read old classic English and French literature, acting out Shakespeare with Data
Or where Sisko made the entire DS9 crew get obsessed about baseball
Yeah, Star Trek has *always* been about the Future Culture
@@discflame He is not technically wrong. Old Trek treated the past as curiosities. But that futuristic society always acted like how people being from the future would act. Prideful of the past but still in their futuristic frame of mind.
@@damienjeremytrotman94 I don't see how referencing old literature *isn't* being proud or otherwise problematic. it happens in old trek all the time, but I guess the main difference here is that this show is called Discovery and not TNG.
@@discflame There is a difference, what was, and what is. When they were seen wearing holodeck clothes people looked at them odd, when it was the american flag they had to explain away why it was. Course, the original series was pretty hokie, but, Discovery is definitely just dropping everything of now into it. Which is why at some point it will be dated not because of graphics.
Terrific balance of inclusivity here.
Tres Feminin
Something not right here. Its The actor's or the Director, i can'y put my finger on it. May its because i am my bias and used to the old Star trek stuff.
1000 yrs into thr future... still wearing glasses
Q would know. To bad we. Didn't see him. Or Q jr Amanda. Or Mrs. Q. Show would have been better.
Makes no sense !
Every trailer and cut scene I've watched of this show just makes me not want to watch the show.
Its all so dry. It has no depth.
Its clinical.
At some point I may try to watch the show but nothing I've seen of it impresses me even in the least.
The Discovery series is so deeply flawed in its very premise and underlying backstories
Then don't watch and stop complaining entitled person
I'm yet to see a single scene from this show that is good.
STD was absolutely horrible.
this season should have been brilliant if it just hadn't spent so much time with the characters being "AHHH Im so depressed no one sees me...wahhwahhwahh" Even the damn computer did it.
10 C was such a stupid idea
Actually it was refreshing to not have a bog-standard bi-pedal humanoid species for once.
You people destroyed Star Trek, must be really proud.
it's such a clever scene and really out of place considering they never expanded on it further, instead they had to make up some nonsensical shit about the C-10 to make the plot work.
This show is so freakin' hyper dysfunctional it drives me batshit.
Why don’t dislikes appear when you use the thumbs down? Oh well.
and again....WHY should I apologize for liking this ST?
it E N T E R T A I N S me!
eff y'all!
Wow this sucks nuts compared to S3 of Picard.
What a horrible series.
This show is insufferable.
Thanks for the smug, self-righteous lecture about cultural relativism and how anything/everything we do is wrong. He even has the glasses and condescending tone to match the Leftist tropes. No wonder everyone with a brain hated this show.
This show is awful
Boring, forced acting.
So, the only two men in the room are somehow immature? The gender war propaganda is beyond annoying.
tf u are talking about? (there are four men, and at no point any of them act immaturely)
So true.
Now bow to the gods of woke diversity...
What? Cracking a bit of a joke while competently laying out the incredible difficulties of communicating with a completely new life-form is hardly immature.
if you're concerned about "gender war propaganda" and whatever bullshit you've heard about "woke culture" you don't deserve happiness let alone another star trek series. frankly i'm glad this show makes you upset because it's you and "trek """"Fans""""" like you that have made this community an absolute fucking nightmare to even just tangentially observe
Actually four men, and one of them (Kovich) is likely the most intelligent person in that room.
Star Trek Leftscovery is garbage.
LOL, Discovery sucks
Well, stop watching and get a life which it seems that you don't because we have to hear you complain about show you have no control and you didn't high school is over bully
A suit and tie? Where did he dig that out of in the 32nd century. 100s of years of interspecies influence and the suit and tie is the same? Fml