Choosing a boat for cruising
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Different boats for different folks... or just different situations!
A good weekend boat doesn't necessarily make a good cruising boat. In this video we go through our decision making process in finding a boat for cruising and what we've learned in the three years we've been living aboard.
What layout is best, what sail plan should you go for and what extras should you fit for long term cruising?
We try to answer these questions and also point out some things that are best avoided.
There is no such thing as the perfect cruising boat, but in order to have as good an experience as possible and stay safe it's good to get as close to perfect as possible.
We think we've found what's right for us. It won't be right for everyone though so you need to understand what you expect your boat to deliver and plan to get something that gets as close as possible to that expectation.
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Lovely and true comments, thank you ever so much , loooove the boat ,what a pleasure that must have to sail it through the oceans
This is by far the best UA-cam video on the subject of selecting a cruiser I've seen and your boat is truly beautiful.
Magnificent effort. I love your videos. I am a delivery skipper who has lived aboard boats for more than 30 years. My answer to the simple question of "what boat" is A STRONG BOAT. Size and style and extras are all a matter of personal preference. But make sure, if you plan on going off shore, it is a really well built strong boat, equipped for the worst that the sea might throw at you.
I’m halfway through this video and had to jump onto my phone to thank you folks and leave a comment.
This video is incredibly thorough, insightful and fairly concise. I’ve sailed small boats (a 25’ sloop delivery from Florida to Jamaica), mid size (8 months cruising on a steel-hull, gaff rigged schooner), and even half a year on a topsl schooner, the Pride of Baltimore II, always as a deckhand. I’ve sailed nearly 18,000 nautical miles on those few vessels.
I’ve never owned my own vessel, nor have I skippered a boat. Nonetheless, from my experience aboard, this video here is loaded with information and it all seems right on point. I’ll definitely be logging this in and returning to it! Fair Isle is a gorgeous vessel, and seems to possess all of the key components I’ve come to appreciate on a good cruiser, and many I have not had the chance to experience. Bang up job, thank you!
There are many, many videos on this topic, but you have covered many points that nobody else has mentioned. I found this to be very informative and quite sensible. Excellent information!
I'm too old and too poor to be buying the sort of boat this video is about but I still found it fascinating. A really good all round summary.
They have an incredible boat, but, a very expensive boat. There are lots of smaller boats that can take you out for the day or around the world for a real bargain. You say you are too old? well, you are still dreaming, there is only a short step from dreaming to doing. You can get a basic, strong boat, that could take you around the world for 5 grand. You are never too old. And if you died trying that would still be a life worth living.
I think that saying to your self that "I'm too old" will held you back from doing things you actually could do.
Most of the time knowledge are equally valuable as money. Knowledge is gold.
I would like to give something to think about:
You don't have to own a boat.
There are folks out there that needs a crew member for their journey, so get something like a "Certificate of competency for yachtsmen" (duelighedsbevis in Danish), or even better : Become a Yatch Skipper (3rd or 1st degree) - would make you a very valuable crew member.
You could focus to be very knowledgable on navigation and meteorology skills, which will make you a even more valuable crew member.
I'm 49, BTW.
@@charonstyxferryman I remember being 49 that wasn't old in my day!!.☺
Philip Smith. Never to old. I was 60 and sailed across the Bay of Biscay with my son. He had never sailed. At a harbour, Viveraro in northern Spain I saw an old old boy tottering up the quayside with a stick. He was leaving the following morning but invitees me for a beer that evening. I asked John where he was heading and he was off to Folkestone and heading straight across Biscay. He figured it would take four or five days. I asked him where he had come from and he had sailed single handed from Malta. He was 78 years old and still planning a trip to the Greek Islands the next year. Sailing out of Folkestone. Never too old.
When I was a boy I read a book by a man who built "your boat" to sail the world - longkeel, cuttter. I got more and more convinced this was old stuff - until I came here. Thanks.
Thank you so much for this very clear explanation! Really helpful!
At 6:08 when you was describing you need to hold on when things get rocky, my eyes went straight to the knives on the magnetic holder.
Yaaaa mine did too Johnny. Maybe a wooden block bolted to the side or back. Another option might be wooden separators in a drawer. But definitely use the magnetic holder only in port or anchored and not moving. (The points of the knives were right at eye level too) 😵
Excellent video. There are far too many UA-camrs whose videos emphasize spacious saloons, swim platforms, and dinghy garages, with absolutely no discussion of cockpit safety or the importance of what's below the waterline.
One of the best presentations I've seen on this topic. Bravo!
I think this is the most informative sailing video I think I've ever watched!!!
Thanks for taking the time to produce this content. It's almost like it was done by professional camera crew and presenter :-) The most useful and informative view in a long time. Thanks again.
All I can add to the admirable comments below is 'thank you' an absolute treat as usual.
I am just 10 minutes in, but this is the best video ive seen on this subject.
Succinct, entertaining and clear rationale - loved the matchbox volumetrics. Fast becoming the YT sailing channel of choice!
That Hard Doghouse is amazing. I live and sail alone on a Tartan 30, in doing so I've learned to want the things I have without having everything I want.
Thank you for the great insights: I would like to add the importance of the dinghy. You must be able to get in and out of your dinghy safely: preferrably behind your boat as waves roll along the side of the boat.
Despite all the disadvantages of the wide-stern boats, they do provide easy access to the dinghy. (and swim platform). I found this one of the top 3 criteria for the boat.
Yes good point. The big swim platforms are great for that. On a boat without it like ours you must have a good ladder that extends far enough under water as well. I've been on far too many yachts that I struggle to climb up from when fit and well. If you were in any sort of trouble or not fully fit there are yachts that would be impossible to board.
Interesting and valid views. We had a Trintella 51 which we sailed in the Med for three years until last year and agree with your views on a dog house. Whilst it didn't improve the looks any it was a godsend in heavy weather and hot sun. I know you didn't touch on hull material but I would add caution to owning an aluminium hull which proved difficult to maintain when painted. Ours was a boat set up for serious blue water cruising when we bought it and had many features which we thought attractive but which we did not use to the full. They simply added to time and expense in maintaining them. Keep it simple will be our future mantra . Safe sailing.
I like your points here. In our search, we found that a Kelly Peterson 44 or 46 will fit our needs nicely. My likes were center cockpit, cutter rigged, skeg hung rudder and long fin encapsulated keel with a cutaway forefoot, and... a shop! Karen went belowdeck and said, “This boat feels like home.” When Mama’s happy, everyone else is happy. We hope to get S/V Whiskey Rebellion come September. As boats are always compromises, there are things I don’t like. A 6.5’ draft keeps us away from the Exumas. The heads are both wet-heads, not ideal, but we can live with it. All in all, it works for us. We really enjoy your channel, thanks for what you two do. Fair winds!
Yes the Kelly Peterson 44 is a good strong (and fast) boat, a very good choice I think.
terrifically informative... I just stumbled across your channel and suspect a binge watch is in order ;)
Thanks Nick, I’m afraid most people have to stumble across us as we’re not great at the whole social media thing, so do feel free to spread the word!
Your boat has to be about the most beautiful I've seen on any sailing channel. She's beautiful!
Thank you for your excellent review of monohull cruising. You have helped us confirm that a family cruising catamaran is our much better choice. We chose safety, comfort, storage and liveability over speed by far. The new generations of heavily solar boats fulfill our economic electricity requirements. In our case, even air conditioning is a need. Exciting boats such as the silent-yacht, though very expensive, meet our overall needs. Electronics are at the core of our priorities. We prefer to stay away from sails, multiple diesel engines and expensive monthly and annual maintenance. Still, different boats for different folks and needs.
As someone researching this lifestyle. This is the best video I have seen. Subscribed!
I bought an old wooden boat in the seventies ( Hillyard 3ton - pitch pine planks on oak frames, beautiful and sea kindly boat, name of Teal ) and spent a few years doing it up. I worked really hard putting in all the effort and enthusiasm that a young man has his disposal at that age. I made a lot of mistakes. I mean a LOT of mistakes. I am pretty sure that had I been doing the work at the present time I would have made no mistakes and done a far better job. Why? Because of the Internet, and people such as yourselves, and the ability to research and order almost anything from anywhere. The Internet has been a real game changer for the sailing world I think. The younger set who have grown up with the internet can have no idea what it was like to be working, on your own, in a yard near Sandwich with one small chandler an hours drive away! I have subscribed and thank you.
Ha! yes that's certainly very true. It's a totally different experience now working on projects like this and knowing you can research and order what you need.Sadly what is does mean is when I make mistakes I have no excuse!
Nice to see such a holistic overview. Lots of very good points
If your traveling with a mate it is good to share the adventure from the beginning. Your lives are made better with a sound boat, and I was impressed with your thought process in making and teaching your decisions. Wind to your Back!
I greatly appreciate you incites and factual information!
What a fabulously informative and entertaining video on cruising boats. It has caused me to reflect on, and reconsider, some of my beliefs on what constitutes a good boat to live aboard. Congratulations and thank you.
Absolutely the most helpful points evaluating a proper purchase.
Congrats, Nice boat!
I dont agree with you with some points, but theres a lot to talk about that...
Keep enjoyng Fair isle⛵😊
Not everyone will agree, it's all to do with what you want from a boat really. I'm just slightly concerned by boats that seem to be designed by people who don't sail, at least off shore!
I only have a 22 foot boat and will probably never have a boat of this size. This has still been an educational video though, you have been a fountain of good information. I have an 11 foot sailboat I use on the lake I live on and you are correct on your assessment of size differential.
Very good and well informed video. As an owner of a larger than the normal sailing yacht I agree with most of your observations, but would just like to add that a larger boat also gives you more working space, both on deck and below. I agree that German sheeting is not a good idea and just adds another mechanical intervention that can be avoided. I previously owned a yacht with in mast main and would not go back there as this just adds too much weight up high and leads to an uncomfortable roll when reefed. Now have returned to slab reef with single line. Looking forward to your next video. Happy and safe sailing.
I have watched a lot of sailing films on you tube, your choosing a boat for cruising was quite simply the best.
Down to earth, stating some really good hard facts, and telling us what you like and don't like, not being to Wishy Washy!!!
Top Job
Gary
Totally agree with you on the sail plan, sailed a lot in 40 to 50 knots across the Atlantic last year and the staysail was brilliant in balancing the boat. I prefer catamarans and would love one with a cutter rig for better high wind control. Love your always well made and commented videos.
I've watched this so many times to write info down ,I've developed British accent and a craving for afternoon tea 🍵, great video guys !!!
Excellent presentation. Not only did I learn a lot, I enjoyed your video. Many thanks.
I started with the ardor of young people (at the beginning of the 70s) racing with various catamarans, then I built alone a racing boat (1/4 ton IOR) and sailed intensely with rental boats all over the Mediterranean and the Caribbean racing at the Antigua weeks and finally as a young pensioner I bought a 37-foot cat with which I traveled the all the Mediterranean Sea with my wife. We found it uncomfortable in navigation but excellent at anchor or in port (except for the costs in the marinas) and therefore we returned to a small monohull (HR312) with all the features described by Steve. Fantastic boat for a life on board for 4-5 months a year ... I congratulate you for all your truly professional videos in describing your adventure which, I am sure, is not financially available to everyone but allows everyone to learn a lot and dream of doing the same while respecting one's own possibilities. The boat is always a compromise ...
We are happy with our fairly large mono hull, gives us a bit of the best of both worlds, not right for everyone but we love it. Regarding being financially available, of course everyone has their own budget, but I would say if you are our sort of age and a home owner ( and are prepared to sell that home as we did! ) Then this life is definitely available!
@@svfairisle I completely agree. My wife and I are a little more mature than you and we have chosen to sail "only" the Mediterranean Sea while maintaining our home. It was a great choice for us and we are happy about it. Fair winds 😁
You could easily spend several lifetimes sailing the Med and never see it all, fair winds.
@@svfairisle Yes, since 2010 we have spent an average of 5-6 months a year on a cruise and it was enough to get to know only Corsica, the north of Sardinia and the Tuscan archipelago. It's all so beautiful that we often return to the same enchanting places ... Best wishes from Switzerland
Excellent review. Thank you! Two suggestions for easy cruising...a Wind Vane to augment the auto-pilot. Mine is a Hydrovane with a separate rudder as back-up for the venerable spade rudder on my Cal 39. To assist hauling halyards and sheets, I use a Milwaukee "Hawg", a right-angle, 18 volt drill with a "Winch Bit". Don't need the bigger Super Hawg, just a couple of heavy duty batteries (at least 6.0 Ah) with charger. Can use on all winches and around the boat as a powerful drill. Other name-brands offer a similar tool.
The best most sensible advice I've ever seen from people who know what they are talking about. Well done to you excellent in every way. Fair weather and good sailing to you.
I found your video just stellar! Packed with usable information, props, visual aids and discrimination based on personal experience. 👍👍👍! Three thumbs up and bravo!! I learned more here than I have in a slew of other videos.
Isn't it amazing how living aboard focuses the mind... On power use and generation, on water consumption and storage. Storage for clothes and just the day to day 'things'. And that's before you even get to the sailing bit! Enjoyable video, and I agree with much of what you said, though I am definitely at opposite ends of the budget spectrum. It's taken me 3 boats to find the one that really suits my sailing and living needs, and even then it has to be a compromise in certain areas, e.g. I don't have a fridge on this one, but do have a deep, cool bilge that can be used for a couple of days, but also cuts down on what was previously my biggest consumer of electricity. As always, your production is superb.
Really liked the previous videos, but Loved this one a lot! It was so helpful because of the different planning considerations for a wannabe boat owner. This one earned my subscription. Thank you!
Fantastic lesson. Figure out what you want to do with the boat before investing in one. Pretty solid advice. On the issue of freezers, I'm old enough to remember real insulated iceboxes. We'd take delivery of ice blocks from the milkman once a week. The frequency of course depended on the season but what I distinctly remember was the block ice would last a surprisingly long time. And having shaved flavored ice on a hot summer day was an added bonus. Realizing it's not a practical system for a boat but it does speak to the importance of how a filled freezer is more efficient than an empty one. Leaving some space for air circulation. Thank you. Brilliant episode.
No, I think you had it right first time, the inspiration for those Hull shapes are charter industry driven, not from racing.
Fab video yet again. As soon as I saw the first matchbox my mind straight away flashed up a picture of a gas stove on a gimbal!!! I learnt to sail offshore years ago in my off duty periods in the UK armed forces, the greatest "ride" 86 I think in the great hurricane, on passage from Gib to Lisbon. Whilst we had weather check before departing it seems the thing sped up. We were in a Nic 55, and given its race history (Fastnet) there were no great concerns. You mention Tech on the boat well, I've always been a fan of the old plotter and chart in that respect, tech is great til it stops working and in the environment you're asking it to live in its bound to get wet. Electric winches are a wonderful thing, a huge drain on your power bank and more to go wrong, plus, a manual winch well, it keeps you fit. :) I'm with you on the cutter rig, sail area is much more flexible in weather, in the right conditions full sail looks stunning. For me it's bog standard slab reefing on the main, less gadgetry and if planned for, no hassle. Thanks again for your time and effort in making these videos, always a pleasure to watch, listen and sometimes learn from, keep it up.
Wow, very informative and nice presentation. Thanks 🙏
This is a very informative video - many thanks. I have to admit that I love the more traditional lines of sailing yachts with long, deep keels. As for planing, IMO that should be confined to dinghies
You two are fantastic!
Great presentation and informative episode, l am absolutely amazed that you lovely people don’t have more subscribers. Thanks for sharing your passion.
We've only been going a year, it take time as it's very difficult to be found in the bottomless pit of UA-cam. Spread the word!
Very good explanation of bull design.
Hull design
I'm partial to ketches, but the key is flexibility. A cutter has that as well.
The sloops I've looked at that were for serious blue water all had an extra stay for the heavy weather rig.
Great sailboat ⛵️ sailing ⛵️ video! 😘⛵️😀 Mike from Missouri
everybody thinks there boat is best ,but yours is love it ,
Very informative. I enjoyed how you backed up your opinions with diagrams and explained why you felt something such as buying a cutter rig was important for you. Nicely done.
Another great and informative video is in the books!! I can see the next one showing the matchboxes floating in the galley sink showing hull types & sail configurations!!! All the best, Richard
Have watched this video many times now and it's just brilliant if you want to really think about what you want in a boat , would recommend it to anyone about to buy ,especially for the first time and remember everyone you talk to thinks their boat is best !
First timers generally need something else as they would not be live aboard or blue water, also where you sail is just as important as what you sail, my patch is the Solway firth, fin Keeler's need not apply, with up to ten metre (that's right metres!!), tides bilge and lifting keels rule, I bought my boat from a predominantly racing area all fin keels and flat stern shapes so mine had been for sale for quite a while, wrong boat for that area, down on the Solway she sits on the mud fourteen hours of the day very happy and with full sections at the stern she rides well (needs too as with shallow water and wind over tide short Sharpe chops are the norm, but its still glorious on a good day!), I would still agree on things like hand holds and power usage as even though mine is a lot less so is the generation of it, I liked the video, put out by people who do what they discuss.
Great video. Very informative and thorough. Definitely, a must-watch for anyone in the market for their first live-aboard boat.
You have a gift for explanation: that was a really clear video packed with experience and mature reasoning. I'm enjoying a virtual sailing experience from the comfort of my sofa. If I ever get off it I will follow your advice.
Love the content, sailing has always fascinated me. It looks a very pleasant life you are both having.
Lots of good value boats out there, perhaps not quite as nice as Fair Isle. Apolloduck is a good source. Also ybw forum for fact finding.
Also YachtWorld and DeValks have some good boats. We bought Fair Isle from De Valks in the Netherlands which has the advantage you get to go to wonderful Monnickendam. We liked it so much we stayed for 6 months!
@@svfairisle nice. I really must sell the house 🤣
This is a great video and you have a really awesome boat. It looks beautiful
Thank you for this video. Extremely informative and educational. You mention issues and questions to be answered that I have never heard mentioned before.
Definitely you are the best sailing channel already..practical,up to date informative organised and honest. Ok I know you might have the advantage with your pro backgrounds...but good for everyone! BTW I own a Ketch..but will forgive you 😆, just this once!
A great video...again! Everything explained without being boring. Well done.
Love your boat!
Definitely my dream boat, with the SV Delos Amal 50 in close second!
Some years back I owned a miniature copy in keel design, of FairIsle, a Canadian Ontario built Bayfield 26.
A bowsprit cutter rigged, it sailed marvellously well, especially in the narrow Saint Lawrence channels and constant tacking upwind between Quebec City and Tadoussac. Never in a hurry, I preferred ease to speed, and most often sailed with the self tacking staysail, actually larger than a regular stay; and used the large genoa only for long quiet downwind sails along with the ebbing tide.
Be covid safe
Cheers
I see a nice Bugle anchor as well (if not wrong), good choice!...well is just I got the same one 😉 Thanks for the very nice and instructive video and fair winds always for you guys, cheers
Great video guys. Things I had never considered, in particular 'stability'! Thanks very much.
Fair winds! X
Excellent helpful video. Great presentation, love your boat it’s beautiful! Have taken notes so I’m ready when I become wealthy enough to go shopping!😀 All the best from WA👍😎🇦🇺
If your serious about long term sailing look a the boat architect from the 70’s Robert H. Perry. He designed some of the best Blue Water cruising yachts ever made. There are still a lot of them still out there.
Robert H. Perry is a U.S. yacht designer based in Seattle, Washington. Among his designs are some of the most successful cruising yachts in modern cruising such as the Tayana 37 and Valiant 40. Through his career he has designed boats for many well recognized names in the yachting industry, such as Tayana, Cheoy Lee, Valiant, Baba, Ta Shing, Islander, Passport and Saga. Perry has taught yacht design at Evergreen State College.
Yes he had a hand the the Hans Christian 36 to.
I agree 100%. Extremely well though out video subject matter. I truly appreciate you both offering suggestions on choosing the best boat for one in search of a sailboat based of all aspects so very important to consider.
wow .... thank you so much for this very informative video. wish you all the best
horses for courses. we usually live on our 34 jeanneau (which we sailed to greece) in the summer and love the outdoor and indoor space. too small for overwintering in but then we come home. loving your sleeping area and lovely to see fraggle rock on your video.
Thank you for the full explanation you gave on sail boat design. I enjoyed your experience and video. Again thank you shipmate. Bravo Zulu 👍
Very nice overview, your best point, you buy a sailing boat or a sit in the marina boat. We also prefer a sailing boat, we never plan on leaving the Chesapeake but our little Cape Dory 30 cutter is very capable for the bay. Dee and Deb, Chesapeake Bay, Va
Hi Dee and Deb We look forward to coming stateside in a couple of years!
Useful information. Thank you.
Fantastic content! I've been watching you're older episodes and catching up and you're quickly becoming one of my favorite sailing channels! Very informative content presented in a very likable and interesting way. You also have great taste in yachts! I own a Hans Christian 33, so perhaps I'm just biased. Fair winds! ⛵️
Well anyone who doesn't like Hans Christians has just got no taste obviously!
I have been watching you guys a while now.Its a breath of fresh air.Thank you for the lovely camera work you put into your vids and the technical advise you come up with.Personally i could never afford a boat like that ( im a Macwester guy )... but hey,,as long as you get the wind in your hair and the wet stuff stays beneath you,doing something right. Keep em coming :)
Brilliant video guys - interesting and important points really well explained.
sleep in a hammock just below.. when shorthanded rotations. it's great sleep once you learn how to lay in it proper. and can save quite a bit of space
Great video and information
Wonderful video, glad to see monihull sailors doing these. Very good presentation
Excellent presentation, clear and honest information looking forward to more.
God, what a beautiful boat 😮😍
Wow. That is very valuable information, thanks!
You sir, make my life complicated. I am in the market for my next big build, and are leaning against building a Catamaran (40ft) from skratch. But these videos on your HC makes me want to find a used one and refurbish it....Really like the design, safety, layout and the general feel I get from you boat..
Decisions, decisions ...
Thanks for the informative video, keep them coming.
Best
TR - Norway.
With a name like 'Norwegian woodworker' You NEED a Hans Christian, Colin Archer would expect it!
This is one useful video filled to the waterline and beyond with great information - thanks!
Thank you SO MUCH for all this information! I learned so much watching this video...
Really great and informative video. Thank you for taking the time to make it
Brilliant, at ease video that was both educational and entertaining.
Excellent , instructive and enjoyable video...what a gorgeous boat you have. Thank you.
Finally someone who speaks the truth and leads the design ideas of the manufacturers to absurdity. As you said quite correctly, the doghouse is part of the safety concept and if it had to be a new boat, I would personally always choose a Hallberg Rassy or an Oyster in the 50ft + class.
Thank you for the nice and meaningful report.
Good choice!
Tremendously informative. Thanks for your perspectives!
Clean wake says it all! I won't moan at the banging under the stern when the ferry goes by in the marina next time! Big electric winches will flat a battery pack quicker than anything, they can draw 200amps or more - possibly leaving you without an autopilot (gulp!). Roller boom is potentially the best of both worlds for mainsail handling, at a scarey cost though if it's not already there. A separate high output alternator for the house batteries is very doable on the engine. A lot of people do not put enough (any?) emphasis on boat performance and stability, as I've found out crewing on some large boats. The slightest increase in wind and they're flat on their sides. Some form of cockpit enclosure is essential I think. It's so nice to get out of the wind even on the hottest of days. This is not so easy to achieve where the main traveller runs in front of the helm. Centre cockpits tend to have the traveller at the rear, as yours, which is best, some though have it mounted in front of the spray hood with the pickup point mid way on the boom - be very careful with that gybe or your'll lose your deck! Terrific video and your explanations for stability were excellent.
Craig Licata You do realise he disappeared whilst at sea?
Worth watching more than once, there is some very interesting facts and figures mentioned.
I liked your match box explanation, it was very apt and good to help my understanding one box v eight, who would have thought?
Stay safe.
You have to remember that just two or three feet extra on a hull is in the middle where the most room is,, not at the ends, so can make a huge difference to below deck space.
I appreciate the advice.
Enjoyed the video from the other end of living aboard. We had a 42' Ketch that weighed 13 tons and had an encapsulated keel. It was a great boat for the med as you spend a lot of time on the motor, pushing into crap weather! I'll wait your opinion on having all that extra windage from the solar panels, once you've spent some time in the gulf of lion with the summer squalls.
We had a wind generator and the only thing it was good for was waking you up in the night as the wind had come up! Speed is not important when doing long passages, the boats motion is the crutial factor. Keep up the good work.
Really enjoyed that, very well put together. Fair isle is one fabulous boat.
Really lovely and informative docies..
Keep it up
why haven't I seen you guys before .Excellent video so much information
Great vid and a gorgeous boat, thanx.