What's My Line? - Steve Allen's first show! - Admiral William Halsey (Mar 4, 1951)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Another major show in WML history: Though this is long before Steve Allen became a regular member of the panel, it is, in fact, his first appearance on WML.
MYSTERY GUEST: Admiral William Halsey
PANEL: Betty Furness, Louis Untermeyer, Arlene Francis, Steve Allen
Yet another episode I would not have been able to post without epaddon contributing it. Many, many thanks again.
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Salute to Admiral William Bull Halsey who helped liberate my country the Philippines, during World War II...
I'm SO glad to have read your comment.
I had no idea who this distinguished man was, so I had to go Google him, come to find out the man is a true American hero (may he rest in peace).
The entry on him, his meteoric rise and the man he was, is ... well, I've never read, nor heard of any man more heroic or more successful than the Admiral! The recognition and awards, being chosen to lead - unbelievable! His image even donned posters!
They just don't make dudes the same anymore!
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During the period August 24, 1944, to January 26, 1945, when the THIRD Fleet was engaged in supporting the Western Carolines and PHILIPPINE ISLANDS operations, 4,370 enemy aircraft were destroyed, 82 enemy combatant ships were sunk, and 372 enemy auxiliaries and miscellaneous shipping were sunk (excluding small craft), against the loss in combat of 449 planes and the light carrier Princeton!
All this in less than 6 months if my math is correct! I mean can you imagine this? 😢
Your perspective and pov really added to this episode of WML! I fell in love with the Philippines and their people because I love Manny Pacquiao! 🥊
Hope this comment finds you and yours well! God bless!
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I’ve read many books about Halsey and am in the middle of reading his memoirs right now. His sailors used to take great pride in saying they were “Halsey men” As a Navy vet, from the 70’s, I wish I could have said the same…I would have been proud to serve under him.
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
Admiral Halsey was one of the greatest of all Admirals, beloved by his men, tough but compassionate, a Sailors Sailor, and my father got to interact with him personally during the war. We will never forget him
Amazing! Thanks for sharing this story.
Admiral William "Bull" Halsey (1882-1959), the WWII South Pacific Fleet Admiral.
My dad was a WWII Navy Ensign, based on the Island of Saipan. Is your dad Ed McFadden, who served on the USS Colorado?
Im sure Admiral Levine will be similarly honored!
@@kingforaday8725 Chills.
Admiral Halsey is an American hero in every sense.
He blotted his copy-book at Leyte Gulf
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
I had never seen a clip of Halse speaking before. I already admire greatly James Cagney's portrayal of Halsey in the Gallant Hours. Now I see how well Cagney captured the manner and speech of the man. I think the film showed the nature of leadership better than any other film i can think of.
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
Came to see Admiral Halsey. Absolutely one of the greatest admirals in naval history.
A legendary naval officer!
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
I mostly listen to these WML episodes while I work and occasionally glance over - then I randomly see Steve Allen wearing his glasses over his blindfold! Comedy gold!
Allen wearing glasses over a blindfold and at the next moment Halsey wearing black glasses is just so funny...
They needed it after the intellectual, dry beginnings of the show....
Untermeyer who was reportedly an avowed Commie, was not the sharpest knife in the drawer(hence the liking of commie government).
" NO!..Spinach is made of spinach, and land is made of land." That came from Unty in an answer as he was refuting, poorly, JOHN DALY'S- EVERYTHING IS MADE OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
Well, here is a news bulletin:
SPINACH is made of IRON, CALCIUM, etc..
The latter are DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.
Everything is made of different elements even the elements themselves.
Sheeesh..
What incredible is that smoking was extant on these shows. Smoke from John Daly's lit cigarette can be seen on occasions.
Halsey was one of the four US admirals selected as a 5-star admiral during WW2. US 5-star admirals and generals are considered on active duty for the remainder of their lives (hence, Halsey could honestly say he was still an admiral, as opposed to saying he was a retired admiral).
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
They should have made Halsey a desk jockey sooner, lives would have been saved.
He was actually promoted after the war was over…
Why didn't they refer to him as Fleet Admiral? He was promoted in 1945.
When Paul and Linda McCartney recorded their hit song "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" in 1971, the Admiral Halsey they were singing about was indeed William Halsey, Jr.
And the "Hands Across the Water, Hands Across the Sky" chorus was in reference to World War II American Aid Programs.
Vahan Nisanian WoW
:The butter wouldn't melt so he put it in the Pie"
Who else?
One of a kind
Seeing him and hearing him is something else again
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
Did Paul and Linda McCartney incorporate high winds with the screaming of men in the background?
@@Orange-Jumpsuit-Time”Minor Jap Convoy.” It was 4 carriers, 2 battleships, and several screening ships. What kind of decoy would a small convoy be?
I watched this episode in the morning, while getting ready for school, and that day in my history homework, we read about Adm. Halsey.
Wasn't he not only an admiral, but a Fleet Admiral (five stars)? I think there have only been a few in the Nations's history.
@@timkellyD2R I'm not sure... It wouldn't surprise me. I don't really remember, honestly. 😅
It’s something to read about someone but then to see that person in the flesh speaking is something else again
Is it not?
@@timkellyD2R yes he was a Fleet Admiral.
How wild! I hope you mentioned this show. Kids your age should definitely watch this. A neat way to understand a bit of history (not serious history but cultural!).
I always find it a lot more fascinating to see the historical figures such as Adm. Halsey. I typically prefer seeing them more than the show business people.
Me too! The panelists are fun and interesting but the variety of jobs from high finance to collegiate nose-warmer knitters, is amazing.
I never realized there were as many different jobs available back then, especially for women, or how judgmental that sounds. Based on TV and what I’ve heard, prior to the women’s lib movements of the 60s and 70s, the only jobs for women were housewives, teachers, nurses, waitress, show people or factory workers, things like that. They’ve had female doctors, lawyers, reporters, boat captains, foreign mayors, and on and on..
Halsey was a household name in the post war period, and deservedly so.
I have a friend who is the Admiral’s grandson.
Can you IMAGINE it: talking with someone who was born in 1882?! Admiral Halsey was born at that time - people during this decade (the 50’s) could actually know and speak to people who were born when the Civil War was being fought. It’s just amazing.
My grandmothers were born about that time. I talked with them.
UA-cam has recordings of elderly people who were slaves recounting their experiences. When you listen, you realize. It was really not so long ago.
The Civil War was 1860-65....and my great grandmother was born in 1863, during the Civil War, I met her in 1963, when I was 10 and she was 100
My grandparents were born in 1889 and 1892. I met and talked with lots of people born in the 1880's when I was growing up in the 1950's. In 1955, I met a man who was about 100 years old, a retired handyman who had worked for my grandparents. Garfield was probably the oldest person I have ever met, born in the 1850's.
“ Would it be unusual to wear this and nothing else“. Even on the very first episode, Steve Allen had a knack for digging himself deep into the rabbit hole.
I love History and ww2, turned in for Admiral, if only men were still like this.
What a Wonderful world this would be!
@@barbaraalauro Thanks Barbara!!!
Untermeyer has grown on me, and gotten into the fun spirit of the game, highly intellectual....
I like how on the second contestant, Mr. Daly says "I'm not going to go over the rules again," and then promptly does. LoL
My favorite Admiral. Nice to see a smile on his face, he had another side that didn't show in still pictures.
I loved Arlene's genuine reaction after the first guest. In later years it was a lot harder to get the panelists that worked up.
The reaction of the audience to the panelists questions is hilarious.
One of true hero's of the Battle of Midway & glad he won $25 (for the Red Cross) for his troubles here.. Hope they paid for his bus fare as well :-P.
All contestants were paid an appearance fee.
He missed the battle if Midway due to illness. But he was a hero of world War II and most likely did more than anyone else in the Navy in 1942 to hit back at the Japanese.
ACTUALLY, ADMIRAL HALSEY, WAS LAID UP DURING THE BATTLE OF MIDWAY. HE WAS REPLACED BY ADMIRAL RAYMOND SPRUANCE.
Bill Halsey was one of the very best of the best!
Admiral Halsey took his full force of ships and went chasing after a minor Jap convoy, leaving Leyte Gulf open to attack, which another Jap convoy took advantage of. The only thing that saved Halsey from a court martial, was the Jap Admiral lost his nerve and turned around, otherwise his fleet was unopposed to wipe out American troopships.
And then there was "Halsey's Typhoon". Halsey ordered the Third Fleet into the centre of the typhoon that resulted in three destroyers lost, 790 sailors killed, damaged 9 other warships, and swept dozens of aircraft overboard off their aircraft carriers.
Adm. Halsey-- one of America's greatest. He may have been overly aggressive during the Phillipine Seas battle, but otherwisehe was superb, especially when outnumbered early in the war.
how many died while he was chasing decoys
Thank God Bull was that aggressive. What a fine sailor.
@@nobonespurs , his aggressive style surprised and shocked the Japanese who thought the US Navy would not be as aggressive as they were especially with the battleship fleet damaged. As far as chasing decoys, remember intelligence gathering and reconnaissance was pretty primitive in those days.
@@nobonespurs his aggressiveness saved us throughout 1942
@@nobonespurs Chasing decoys?
I found it very exciting to see Admiral Halsey here. Thanks very much.
13loomisst You're very welcome-- and thanks for the nice comment. I honestly had never heard of Halsey before seeing this episode!
Really? Well I'm glad you you found out somehow, he was a great man.
@@WhatsMyLine I can't believe such a degree of American history ignorance. I'm not even American and I know everything about the great Fleet Admiral William Halsey. He was the greatest fighting American admiral according to Gen. Douglas MacArthur. A true WW2 American hero.
@@tremayne3 I sincerely apologize to you for my offensive lack of knowledge of one specific military figure. Clearly that means that I'm equally ignorant of anything and everything else that ever happened in history.
@@WhatsMyLine
You ne'er-do-well, you! 😊
I love watching all the What's My Line? episodes. Thank you so much for your amazing channel, it enables me to time travel! 😊
Elvis was 16 yearrs old when this aired, he may have watched it, when he lived at Lauderdale Courts in Memphis
Steve Allen has the best fake “baffled” look ever!
I like Louis Untermeyer, what a gentleman, and so witty and smart, too.
Yes, he's like a New Yawk Ed Wynn as a poet.
krasnykavkaz being an Israeli I'm not familiar with American culture that much ):
I remember as a kid, no one thought anything of smoking in a car with the windows closed or walking around smoking. Oooh, all that second hand smoke. As a kid I'd be coughing and choking, and the adults didn't really give it a second thought. It was just expected you'd suck it up. (literally)
That's how I grew up, too.
@@KetogenicKim As did I. Plus, my dad was a furrier and made fur coats in the basement. So there was smoke and fur flying too!
One vivid memory is at the age of 20 or so, playing poker in a room one late evening where everyone, mostly older men like my dad, was smoking except me. It was winter and windows were closed and door shut so as not to disturb my mom. I left the room for a break and when I re-entered I could barely seen anyone because of all the smoke - yikes!
Just now I was thinking about how much more pleasant it must have been in the audience than on stage in that respect, presuming the audience wasn't smoking as well, which of course I can't be sure of.
When they asked FADM Halsey, "Did you have a little ship of your own?" I was waiting for Halsey to say, "If you call the New Jersey a 'little ship', then sure." 😂
BB - 62 , nothing but the best will do !
Civil War hero Admiral David Farragut had been dead since 1870, 81 years before this show (which was show 64 years ago).
The march of time is relentless, isn't it? You mention some obscure admiral in your country who croaked in 1870, some 81 years prior to this ancient episode of What's My Line, which was filmed in 1951. You then mention that 1951 was 64 years before you wrote your comments, so presumably you wrote them in 2015. And now, in 2024 (Wednesday 17.01.2024), 2015 is nearly a decade ago. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?
That line about wearing a wedding ring and nothing else made me laugh so hard. XD
Beth Di Bartolomeo zzz
That would've been interesting !!
Perspective: John referred to Stamford, Ct. as "quite a way" on a previous episode, Hopatcong, NJ as "a long way" and Kew Gardens (which is in Queens), as "out on Long Island", which it is, technically. All of these places are part of the NYC metro and it's an example of how much smaller everyone's world was in the early 50's compared to today.
I get the impression that Stamford even then would be about as far anyone would live yet commute to Manhattan. A long commute but some people might have thought it practical.
I don't mean to sound rude, especially since she's my favorite panelist, but Arlene Francis looked older in the earlier years, well, at least here, I just watched a '63 clip and really the difference is striking.
+Sdk ElMaruecan So did Dorothy! I think both ladies looked better in the 60's (regardless of Dorothy's health).
Beth Di Bartolomeo Well I think it depends on the episode. :)
Sdk ElMaruecan I don't think you are being rude at all. She does looks matronly in this episode. But, even teenagers looked like they were in their 30's back then. Look at an old high school yearbook from those days.. you will be shocked at how old the kids looked!!!
Could it have been a combination of make up and the bright hot studio lights that made her look that way?
Arlene looked better as a blonde and she got better with age, like a fine wine. I watched an early episode the other day from 1951, and everyone looked so much older. I think lighting played a role. In that particular episode, you could see all the lines and wrinkles in everyone's face, especially Arlene.
Some WML trivia for the original network show which ran from 1950-1967 as of 8/22/2023. Note: I only considered Mystery Guests identified by name in Gil Fates’ book. I did not consider MG who appeared as Miss America, Miss Universe, Mr. Universe, and Trapp Family Children since Fates did not identify them by name. I did include Lee Meriwether since she had an extensive career. I did not consider Dorothy’s kids since Fates did not identify them as MG. I included individual members of groups such as the Supremes, Andrew Sisters, etc.
There are 66 living MG. The living MG with the earliest appearance: Margaret O’Brien (1951) Next is Willie Mays followed by Lee Meriwether (both 1954). The living MG with the latest appearance: Jean Shrimpton (6/1967). The oldest living MG is Eva Marie Saint (99) followed by Leontyne Price (96) and Mindy Carson (96). The youngest living MG is Eddie Hodges (76) followed by Liza Minelli (77) and Haley Mills (77). 6 living MG were born before 1930 (Eva Marie Saint, Leontyne Price, Mindy Carson, Terry Moore, Don Murray and Bob Newhart; 16 were born between 1930 and 1939; and 44 were born between 1940 and 1948. The only related living MG are Tom & Dick Smothers (brothers) and Robert Wagner & Jill St. John (H&W).
I can't be the only one that thinks Steve Allen was* a damn fine looking man
He was very handsome, indeed.
The greatest American admiral, none other than Admiral William bull Halsey. He fought and hold the Japanese expansion with a small fleet. He deserves our respect.
I have to say that I like Louis Untermeyer since I started watching these early episodes. It's pretty clear on this panel that he's the most knowledgeable of the bunch.
Great poet, and anthologist, boring, but very clever
Fucking McCarthyism did him in.
If Louie had stayed on WML for a long time, it certainly would have changed the overall chemistry and development of the program.
soulierinvestments But there still would have been roughly the same amount of hair on the panel versus Bennett.
Not necessarily for the better.
@@tejaswoman I think he would've been much better than Bennett Cerf, certainly much less obnoxious.
I think Steve was the best guest co host!
Steve would be the friend.
I have to admit that after a couple of years of watching this show, that Arlene Francis is starting to grow on me...
I agree. When I first began to watch she seemed a little obnoxious, which led me to believe she was constantly high, or tipsy. But, as I watch more, I realize that it's just in her personality: outgoing, open, and expressive.
took you a couple years??
Julie Ogden It's called sarcasm Julie. Ha ha!
She's my least favourite....but hey, there are legions of more irritating people on TV I'd put ahead of her. I bet she was quite lovely off-screen actually.
It was love at first sight for me!
When I think of Admiral Halsey, I can't help but think of Paul and Linda McCartney.
This episode helps to illuminate how "money" Dorothy Kilgallen would be; she would have figured that first guest out halfway through.
17:33 - Yep, Steve Allen was here to stay (on and off) :)
William Frederick Halsey. Serving under the great Chester William Nimitz. Never omit Raymond Ames Spruance for his magnificence. American heroes. Saved the American Empire in the Western Pacific, which remains today. A bulwark against Japan then, China today.
We'll never see their like again.
Adm. Halsey was Gen. MacArthur's favorite admiral.
Just like the liquid form in another episode, it ain't sold in a grocery store! The times, they have been changin'.
Admiral Halsey notified me, he had to have a berth or he couldn't get to sea.
I had another look and I had a cup of tea and a butter pie.
I bought the single when it came out in 1971, which means that for the past half-century I’ve mistakenly thought Paul was saying “he had to have a bath.” Of course that makes no sense, but neither did the rest of the lyrics. I blame my American ears. 👂 Thank you for setting me straight. 😏
I'm enjoying this trip through early What's My Line? episodes, but I'm also looking forward to episodes without Louis Untermeyer.
I feel that way about Hal Block.
I agree that Bennett Cerf was more fun and personable as a panelist, but what happened to Untermeyer was pretty sad. During the communist witch hunts of the early 1950s, he was unfairly identified as a communist, and after the show was picketed by protesters and the sponsor threatened to stop supporting the show, the producers felt they had no choice but to let Untermeyer go. He became so depressed over this that he didn't leave his apartment or answer the phone for a year.
@@ParkerAllen2 Yes, I read about that a little while ago, and I agree with you. I didn't like Untermeyer very much as a WML panelist, but it sounds like he was treated very unfairly. I feel bad for him, and wish he had not been forced out in that way.
Hey Paul!
Looking forward to comment threads without you, you pussified pissant.
Oh he wasn't that bad, he was tolerable, perhaps unpleasant but not much so.
A clip was shown in the last episode in 1967 from the scene when Steve questions the man who sells wedding rings. As with the clip of Arlene from 1950, the 1951 shot of Steve's hairstyle drew laughs (followed by a shot of 1967 Steve mouthing "Wow!" as if he couldn't believe he once looked like that).
I made a comment about Steve's ultra-50s hairstyle once in the FB group, but apparently not everyone agreed with me. At least I know now that Steve himself did!!!
What's My Line? epaddon
I'd have to see what Steve's 1967 hairstyle looked like before I'd pass judgment on that one. I remember that during my childhood in the late 60s/early 70s, when it was common for many men and boys to have longish hair, short haircuts on men looked funny to me. But looking back now, it's the 70s hairstyles that look funny (certainly Steve Allen's does), and his haircut in this episode looks pretty normal to me. I'm not sure what his hair looked like in '67.
SaveThe TPC I'm pretty sure that by 1967 Steve's hair wasn't. . . Steve's hair. If you get my drift. :)
What's My Line?
Got it! :)
I like his haircut
Wedding ring maker was very 😍 cute
Love these shows! I know this was recorded long ago but I still get a start to see the trail of smoke rising around Daly's head! 🥴
Three years before I was born on Feb 1, 1955! Somehow TV was a hell of a lot better then than now.
I love the ciggie smoking away in Mr. Daly's hand; what a great time to be alive.
AND Wm. Halsey, too, in the flesh.
Wow, so awesome to see Admiral William Halsey
Fleet Admiral Halsey. From Wikipedia. Fleet admiral (FADM) was a five-star flag officer rank in the United States Navy, and was in its time the highest rank attainable in the service. Fleet admiral ranked immediately above admiral and was equivalent to general of the Army and general of the Air Force. The fleet admiral rank was created by Congress to be granted to four people during the era of World War II. There has been no authorization to use the rank since. No legal provisions ever existed for its use other than for the four officers appointed to it. Halsey was the fourth fleet admiral (December 1945) The timing of the first three appointments was carefully planned, such that a clear order of seniority and a near-equivalence between the services was established for the generals of the army promoted at the same time. USA Five star generals and admirals ranked equal to the highest ranks of the Russia and Great Britain military.
So basically like right hand men of the president.
@@CellGames2006
No, there were three admirals who were promoted to five-star before Adm. Halsey was, and they are senior to him.
Seeing John do his little dance to read the signature of the second panelist, I just remembered: For the longest time, after first seeing this show on GSN, i used to think John must've been trained in reading handwriting (and language, for pronunciation), or something, but then later on, I began noticing his little book that he walks out with and realized he really had the names typed up and just pretended to read them off the board, and boy did I feel stupid!
EDIT: I paused the video and wrote this before I heard the first wild guess. :P
It doesn't give you much of how Halsey was But you can see the nickname " Bull " in him Which with only this Taping of him i ever seen Thanks for the post I'm a WW2 buff There's way too much Hitler and no real hero videos
Since the final contestant said that he works in a large building, I'm guessing he knitted women's sweaters in a factory setting, using a commercial knitting machine. I seriously doubt he made them by hand with a pair of knitting needles.
I'm amazed people were still using ice boxes 17 days before I was born. Didn't realize I was that old. LOL
Check out THE HONEYMOONERS. Ralph and Alice were still using an ice box half a decade after this. Of course, the joke was that Ralph was stingy when it came to home decor.😃
Chris Barat I was aware of the Honeymooners and their ice box, but of course it was a 'sitcom' and they were just acting like they used an ice box. I doubt Jackie Gleason used an ice box at his real home.
Ever watch Lassie?
DisVids yes, it too was a tv show and they were acting they used an ice box on the farm. I don't think June Lockhart used an ice box in her real life. This guest was a real person who really delivered ice as her 'line'. There was an episode of Lassie where they got a refrigerator that replaced the ice box and Lassie didn't like the change at first.
I was born 16 days before this show aired. Does that make you a youngster compared to me? lol. btw, love the screen name and the avatar.
I have to say, I'm really incredibly disappointed that no one on the panel stood up to greet Adm. Halsey. WWII had just ended only six years previous, so he couldn't have faded so quickly from public memory. I actually got a touch disgusted, as did my dad.
Ladies sit to greet a gentleman.
Interesting that no one stood to greet admiral Halsey.
He ran out of there so quickly....and I doubt any of the panel are veterans
Yes, I thought that too. I also thought that the reaction of the panel when Elenor Roosevelt was on very interesting.
When the first contestant was about to start her surname , i was convinced it would be "Kilgallen" ☺
At roughly 10:35, Steve Allen smilingly does the "shoots self in head" hand gesture. I wonder how long ago that gesture first started to be used as a comedic acknowledgement of failure, expression of chagrin, disbelief, etc.
"America's gayest game". Back when gay meant something totally different than it does today. I don't think I could have possibly been born into a more exciting, tumultuous, and fast changing world as I've experienced thus far. What a ride it's been! Just to be able to look back 60 years in time with the click of a button. How lucky are we?
Mr Louis Untermeyer is a good panelist. He is smart and has good instinct haha! I’ve been watching just a few episode with him in it and someone said he was fired later on. I wished he was on the show more!
Mr Louis Untermeyer was a crashing boor. You could see some of the things he said on shows. Gross and creep factor on stun. Ewwwwww
Bennett Cerf as a regular replaced him in April 1951.
He was on for almost a year.
Not from the first shows I watched. There was another man who made remarks to the women that wouldn’t be allowed today. The. There was the New York politican. Those 3 men needed to go
Louis Untermeyer was fired on suspicion of being a Communist. He was replaced by Cerf.
Hal Brook was the one fired for being overly crass and leery. He was replaced by Steve Allen, then Fred Allen, and then the weekly rotating guests.
Dead giveaway was the man yelling "Attention"! lol
I live just south of Halsey St. And now I know why. 😄
is the man paul mcCartney wrote a song about??
Salute to America’s greatest generation.
"Hands across the water, heads across the sky...Admiral Halsey notified me, He had to have a berth or he couldn't get to sea. I had another look and I had a cup of tea and a butter pie."
It’s so crazy to see John Charles Daly smoking...
I was amazed to hear the ice lady claim that her product -- ice-- was not sold in grocery stores.
Ice used to be delivered to house, just like milk. Refrigerators used to be cooled by ice.
@@dorinehagarman2444 This episode was right on the cusp of refrigeration devices for ice. Sources seems to vary, and mostly talk about ice before it could be artificially produced, but what I read said it was first in retail in 1952. But not specifically in grocery stores until late 60s or 70s. OTOH, I've seen sources that say there were devices that could freeze water to ice even decades early, so it's possible there were general store type places you could get ice prior to this. This history is all a bit murky and I suspect dependent on where you lived.
21:31 How is it the men on the panel Did Not Stand Up to shake the Admirals hand?
A child would know that protocol
Louie said Admiral Farragut, he died in 1870, lol.
Wow, the fashions look so 1940s. Of course, it was 1951. Just a bit shocking to see a show from that early in television history.
I wonder when they started selling ice in grocery store. Could not find it on Google.
Fascinating to see an old time (pre-1964) figure of importance or fame on these shows. In this period there were few people experimenting with talk shows except for the political types like "Face the Nation". It isn't until the late 1950s that shows that will morph into the talk format ("Today" and "Tonight Show") actually begin. So a figure like Halsey is of unique interest here, although he really has no time to speak of what he did (WML's format did not allow for that, unless an appearing celebrity entertainer actually was appearing in Manhattan at some night spot).
Jeff BloomfieldIn later years, John would take a bit of time for a brief interview with some of the mystery guests after the game ended -- if they were not running short of time, that is. But during this phase of the show, it seems that all the guests -- both celebrities and regular contestants -- were pretty much hurried off the stage as soon as their games were over. What was surprising to me in this episode was that John stopped the first contestant from hurrying off immediately after her line was revealed and kept her on the stage for another half a minute.
Hands across the water, heads across the sky!
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Interesting to see this early show (earliest one I've seen yet). I'm glad the show evolved a bit from this, I found some of the things terribly awkward, like "meeting the panel" prior to them figuring out your gig... I was rather surprised that someone would request the guest bend over and touch his toes without bending his knees... commenting on the condition of a person's hands or the presence or lack of a wedding ring, to me that's kind of tacky to be pointing out on live television, and I found it awkward as hell. But, interesting to see how it worked in the early days of the show.
I kind of wonder if John Daly nixed those ideas. I think from what I have read he gained control over the show.
I agree but what I also noticed is that the people who were asked to bend over, show their hands etc did not look embarrassed or uncomfortable in any way. They ALL seem to have had a healthy dose of self confidence. I have not seen one person who looked truly awkward walking in front of the panel. So it seems to me that people were not as preoccupied with what others perceived of them at that time. Would you agree or am I alone with this perception?
More than anything, I would think they got rid of it because it sort of wasted time and wasn't that interesting compared to more questioning and even the wild guesses.
All of these people lived through the great depression, WW2 and for many WW1 and survived. Little things like bending over or looking at their hands to see if they were married or not wouldn't come close to phasing them. It was very likely that any man over 30 you meet had killed another man. This show was nothing to them.
Arlene Francis usually had such beautiful dresses and gowns. IMHO, this is a sad exception and looks more like the old school type of dentist smock with the off center buttons. Not that I am always a fashion plate, mind you. It just seemed so atypical for her. (And I had commented on the beautiful gowns on an earlier episode.)
John M It was a very uncharacteristic post for me. I rarely even click on those news stories that show pictures of the worst dress because they seem so catty and about 80% of the time I don't see what the problem was with the outfit. But considering Arlene's reputation and how unflattering it was ... meow!
Since the show was live in NYC at 10:30-11 PM, she might have been late coming from something. She wouldn't be performing in anything after the show.
Or perhaps she wore it as a favor to a designer friend? So much for that new trend.
Lois Simmons And you can't see that beautiful diamond heart necklace she usually wears!
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Curious detail ( pardon if it turns out to be mentioned in the show - I'm writing this before we reach that segment) about Daly in re: Halsey: "In World War II, [Daly] was the first national correspondent to report the attack on Pearl Harbor... " also amused to learn all of his sons had the first name John, a detail I never knew.
Untermeyer was very good at the game, too bad he had no personality.
mcfrogner: He seemed to grow into his role as a panelist. As did others. I liked him in this episode.
He's good to have on, the nerd of the group, making his little notes and forever analysing. I like him. I also suspect he was a good man given the fact he was hounded by the right-wingers of the time. Poor guy.
So good! One can almost feel it, when he's on the scent, zeroing in. DK often has similar moments.
He hogged the camera with unnecessary questions, then called for a conference and snapped his fingers so that he could guess when it wasn’t his turn.
@@dutchtea8354 He snapped his fingers because the others can't see his face and realize he wants to say something. They are all blind-folded, you know. How else would you signal other people who can't see you? Kick them, maybe?
Bull, one of the greatest.
Agree.
RetroGuy76 Television studios had very bright lighting in those days; the cameras were not as sensitive as today's.
The early black and white episodes didn't do anything for their complexions
They all had white makeup. Poorly applied too
Arlene looks so old in this episode.
15:53 Louis hogging the camera.
Hal Block would have said can you be naked on the beach other than this item? Steve Allen said could you be on the beach wearing nothing but this item? It is a slight but important distinction.
Admiral BULL Halsey now that was a true man and a true American!
Oh, dear. "Poof! There goes perspiration!" followed by an invitation from the sponsor, Stopette, to enjoy "television's gayest game".
Although it wasn't burdened with a lot of competition back then, the format of these early shows easily made it "television's gayest game." There's a lot of aspects of this format that I find demeaning and makes me feel uneasy for the contestants.
That was before sexual perversion stole a descriptive, positive word.
I remember the Ice House but not a woman 'Ice man', very interesting.
I didn't know mr, Daly smoke?
Betty Furness' eye gear was scary!
Joe Postove I'm glad they got rid of those ugly masks, from the earlier years.
DLAN 1122 Oh...were those masks?
Oh, wait got to look again, lol!
"Usually as the Admiral said" !
I tend to believe Gil Fates, when he said that the next show they did was the last one with Louis Untermeyer on the panel. I'm going by what Mr. Fates wrote in his production logs.
They likely decided to promote Bennett Cerf from guest panelist to regular after 3/18/51.
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How/where were you able to read Fates's production logs?
SaveThe TPC They're on tv.com.
Wow! This is a REAL OLDIE! No Dorothy yet… Arlene looks very young too. I LOVE this show!!! I wasn’t born until 1971 and now I’m really appreciating the golden age of movies and tv back before 1970
you forget this show started just a few short years after world war II. a lot of the sixties unrest was due to post war effects. the 50's may have been nostalgic and quaint to baby boomers of the 80's but there were many social changes brewing in the 1950's.
It's a mystery how Arlene looked so old at first and looked better as the years went by?!! Facelift or what...
Poor lighting and different special makeup for television. She was only 43 years old when this episode aired in early 1951.
I'd have tapped her.
Screw you people.
"Are you in [federal] government?" The Admiral's answer in the affirmative is incorrect. The military is not part of the three arms of government (legislature, executive & judiciary) though he is subservient to the government of the day.
He's part of the fed government.
Cut the crap.
He worked for the Dept. of Defense-most definitely a part of the federal government’s executive branch.
Now that we know that the 3/11/1951 final episode of Untermeyer is no longer ‘lost’, why hasn’t it been posted by now.
I am hoping we can find a way to get a hold of it. I have already alerted the people on a Facebook group about it.
What about the Mystery Guest? Was it indeed Celste Holm?
I had to turn up my volume a lot but the first contestant clearly says H 2 O after Steve asks if the product is a mineral (and John reminds her not to give things away). Good thing she wasn't louder since the panel didn't catch it over the audience laughter.
Obviously the show got a better director after a season or two