My DREAM Workbench Build // PART 2: The Drawers using the Quarter Quarter Quarter Method
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I’m impressed with your conservative use of “R”s in your projects, especially draws. One never knows when an extra”R” or two might be needed for some emergency -like Pirate Day.
Oh thank god, I thought I was having a stroke. A stoke. A...
If she needs more "R"s, she can get them from "bigger" and "quarter".
Pirate day is my favorite day.
I think it's a New England thing.
Here in Louisiana, we call them droars.
A MUCH safer way to cut the Rabbet for the Fronts and Backs, rather than trying to hold the pieces vertical, just place a 1/4" sacrificial board against the fence, then you cut the rabbet like you did the dadoes. Still no need to adjust the dado blade or fence, but you move the drawer piece out 1/4" and it lays flat on the table bed when cutting the rabbet. No lost fingers or severe cuts and accidents.
I've made many, many drawers with this method. And yes, I cut the end rabbits by adding the 1/4 inch (or half) spacer block to the fence which allows for laying the drawer ends down on the table.
All the naysayers about the nice tools must not have been watching your channel very long. Very happy to see you upgrading, very well deserved.
watching your videos now is so bitter sweet.
I used to be able to relate more when you had beginner tools.
Proud of you!
My friend from college said “draws” and this reminds me of her accent so much! She was from Bergen County!
Haha some people get so angry when they hear it for the first time and they think I’m doing it on purpose 😂
Nice done Tam!!💯👍
I don’t have time to watch this before work, but started the video just to hear Tamar say “drawers!” She says it just like my college friend from PA. 😂
You have a lovely voice and a lovely accent.
I love the accent, it’s endearing AND it reminds me of my first exposure to woodworking video content - Norm Abram ❤ don’t let em get you down!
I remember when your channel started, before you converted your garage into a workshop. You were working inside your house, sitting on the carpet. All these years later, so much more experienced, and once again you're working inside your house and sitting on the carpet. You've come full circle!
Haha I don’t think that was me 😂😂
Much as I am disinclined to watch a 30 minute video that covers things that I already mostly know, your presentation and enthusiasm is so engaging that I watched all the way through. And, in fact, I actually learned something along the way so thank you.
The _"Math Ending In:"_ countdown timer was hilarious! Love it.
Nicely done. In the 1/4-1/4-1/4 method, if you use a 1/4" auxiliary fence between the fence and dado stack when cutting the rabbets on the fronts and backs, you can process the pieces through flat on the table using a miter gauge just like the side piece dados. No adjusting of fence or blade required.
My thoughts exactly. She used the 1/4" thick board to make that distance between the fence and the blade, it would be quite easy to clamp that same board to the fence and cut all those rabbets.
Also, the use of a sacrificial fence would allow for using all thicknesses of material. You just use the appropriate thickness of the fence piece.
I think I'm going to try this idea next time I do drawers. I tried doing it they way Tamar did and I about shat myself with how unsafe it felt.
I thought this
That's what I did when I tried this. It did make the rabbets SLIGHTLY too small (the blade cut into the fence a tiny fraction) but it turned out just fine. I also used the same thing to turn the grove on the bottom into a rabet, so I could drop in the bottom panel. However, I don't recommend that: the bottom kind of scrapes along the face of the drawer under it.
Another great build. Despite your skill and that amazing shop, you come off as very down to earth, and I have learned a lot from you over the years. Thanks for your efforts.
☺️☺️ awesome to hear
Came to hear you say "Drawers" 97 times, left satisfied. // Nice work! Never heard of the qtr/qtr/qtr method, great to learn something new! Bench is looking great, maple and walnut never fail to impress.
Thanks so much! Glad you were left satisfied 😂
You have come such a long way from just a few years ago. Your shop, your skills and your channel gets better all the time.
great work! Just FYI, when cutting the rabbets, you don't need to have the piece upright like you did. You can just put a 1/4" sacrificial fence on and then the board can lay flat when cutting (like you did with the dados).
Also, if you need a heavier duty drawer, you can use 1/2" ply for the bottom and put a 1/4" rabbet all around.
I was wondering why she didn’t set up the router table
I don't know if you'll see this comment one day but it doesn't matter, your videos changed my life : I was an unhappy computer engineer and now all I want to do is build things with my hands.
You are a source of inspiration and motivation to me, I hope one day I will be able to do 1/3 of what you can do.
Thank you for everything, and please never stop your videos ❤🇫🇷
Wow, that is so awesome to hear! Best of luck!!!
7:28 Thank you! those fractions are still confusing, even after all these years of following American woodworkers on UA-cam 😄
I always watch your videos completely through, even if I am familiar with the method you are teaching. You are such a credible instructor, that I might just pick up on a subtle nuance that will make be better at my craft. No need to 'apologize' for the simple math. That's one of the skills we all should strive to master.
re: math: do your normal, physical measuring (put sides and slides in the opening, then measure leftover space) and then just add your ½" (assuming you're doing ¼ ¼ ¼).
"half inch" (or whatever) plywood isn't going to always be exactly ½" - e.g., baltic is thicknessed in mm - so this is not only easier/less math, it'll be more accurate too.
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I've done this joint numerous times as a suggestion from stumpy nubs. The issue I've found is you need good Baltic birch plywood or good American birch plywood. Standard plywood from the box stores has too many voids between the layers and soft wood on inner layers fail and split. Also wider drawer sides you need to apply downward force to make sure the depth is consistent.
I said the same thing, I will never using a different method for plywood draws. You are brave - I made sure to make a complete draw out of scrap before I committed; made lots of adjustments. This makes the strongest draws and once you get going does it really fast. It's not difficult after you give it a try. Thanks for sharing.
i've been using the information in your videos since i started doing woodworking, mainly because we used the same DeWalt contractor table saw. One thing about this video you might want to look at is the reason for calling the method half-half-half.
Stumpy Nubs did a good video where he called it that because no matter what thickness material used, your setup always uses half that thickness for the fence, blade height and dado width.
It's an easier way to remember the process, since most plywood varies in thickness, as you know. Using 1/2" or 3/4" inch ply would use 1/4" or 3/8" setups, but with actual sized ply of 15/32" or 22/32", "half-half-half" gives you the best fit if you take half the actual width instead of knowing a fixed fraction .
Hope that's helpful, since you've been such a help to me! Aloha!
Another great video. One of my favorite channels because you share your own logic for problem solving and aren’t afraid to share when things don’t work out as intended.
thanks for taking us along on this journey!
I LOVE the thoughts/lessons after you finish. SO useful and I'm so grateful :D thank you!
Love the 1/4" 1/4" 1/4"!
Many years of use out of that bench.❤🎉
So fun watching you make things! You always work so efficiently. I wish I was as quick as you at finding the perfect blade height on table saw cuts. It's like an hour process for me! 😏
An entire video of you saying 'drawers'. I love it!!
I came to see the workbench finished and stayed for the druhs. : )
😁😂😂
Great Build! I have a suggestion to avoid standing the material on end for the front and back rabbets. Use your miter gauge much like you did the dadoes, but add a quarter-inch spacer block before the cut and run it through laid flat. (A little less dicey 😁)
Or do the rabbets last and use a jig.
I like the unique design and functionality of your new bench! And the math stopwatch is hilarious! 🤣
Hahah I thought it was a nice touch. Thanks!
Great video Tamar. I use half-method for most of my drawer builds and indeed I use 1/2" for bottoms and cut rabbet to leave 1/4". I like the rigidity and weight-supporting it provides. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and alternative ideas/lessons learned! Cheers!
Definitely worth bookmarking for all the added info at the end. I really like the way you're always looking for a more efficient process.
Best explanation I have seen on the drawer method. Thank you, Bill
The evolution of your shop is amazing. Congratulations on acquiring the new machinery. At one time I was a drawer-making machine using the quarter quarter quarter system. For shop furniture, I would suggest using half-inch bottoms. Your drawers were really large and would likely hold heavy items. Quarter-inch bottoms over a large span may be a little weak. I use half-inch Baltic Birch for the bottoms. It's stronger and you don't need to vary your fence setup one bit. Finally, I would apply glue to the grooves for the bottoms. This is all dimensionally stable plywood and gluing the bottoms in place will add to the structural integrity of the drawer.
Yeah. I totally should have used 1/2” for the bottoms. I was trying to save some money… ha
That roll-up door with windows at 3:55 is a nice way to let in natural light without giving up wall space to windows.
I know, right? When I finally get around to setting up my garage workshop, windowed roll-up doors will be a high priority.
I can listen to say "drawers" all day long :)
The metric popup was very helpful in simplifying the concept.
Awesome
THANK you for doing these instructional videos for us and showing your artistic experience in what you do i a been a watchn you from beginning and you grow long way THANK you for closed caption iam deaf i pay attention to what you do and i larn a lot i turned my walkout basement into a woodshop and teach my grandchildren and daughters woodworking as family now they want to sell on etsy and craft shows i not as introverted now thank you Bill the deaf man can woodworker from Kansas
That’s awesome!!! So glad the videos are inspiring!
Looking great! That’s going to be such a nice addition to your workshop. Thanks for sharing your experience 😊
When I use the 1/4", 1/4", 1/4" I move the fence at the end of the process to cut the rabbit for the sides of the front and back, that way the piece lays flat when going through the saw. I don't touch the saw depth and I do add a sacrificial fence to get the depth correct. Thanks for the great video.
That’s a good idea
Good point, that's how I do it as well. A lot easier, and for me, a lot faster that way.
I was SO excited for this video, just so I could hear “Draws” over and over and over. Lololol
11/10, did not disappoint
I LOVED THIS WORK...CONGRATS
I've been wanting to try this joinery so now you've inspired me! I'm getting ready to enclose my workbench and think I'll use this method. Thanks for all the tips and great explanations on how to do everything. I hope your ankle is getting better with each passing day. Looking forward to Part 3 of this series!
I did this for the first time and I cut the back just shy of the drawer bottom. So I could assemble the drawer, then slide the 1/4” bottom in after the glue was dry. But I’m with you, I was so excited when it all came together. I thought, yeah only on tv right. But no, in my shop too! Good job. I enjoyed watching someone doing this for the first time, having the same thoughts I had while building them.
Tamar, you definitely know how to make something complex, look simple to do 🙏🏽 thank you.
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VERY well done, Tamar!!! You never disappoint. Such a good video. God bless and keep up the good work!
So awesome to hear!
Imparo sempre tanto quando vedo i tuoi filmati. Bravissima.
Great video! Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I'm always learning something new from your videos. Really like how you notched the handles for the drawers. Can't wait to see the next video.
I personally enjoyed following your discussion of your process in performing this 1/4-1/4-1/4 method the first time. Good video, Tamar. Thank you for sharing.
Awesome to hear!
I used that joint to make a case for my son's microscope out of baltic birch. Yep, straightforward to do and very strong. Good choice for drawers.
Loving this build and I learned a lot about a different style of joinery. You are a natural teacher. I am eagerly anticipating part 3!
Awesome! Thank you! Posted it this morning!
Locking Rabbet Joint...is the name I first learned for this type of joint, for which there seems to be many many subtle variations. Quarter-quarter-quarter seems to be one of them. I use this for all my drawers, although I use a slightly more complex version which hides those little holes that get left over. I think this joinery is especially great for drawers, not only is it easy and hides all the joinery along the visible sides, but most importantly the stress put on the front-to-side joinery of the drawer, when pulling open, is absorbed by the physical wood material of the tongue-groove joint, rather than the glue. I previously had really old dresser drawers whose box joinery pulled apart after many years of use. Hence, I chose this method for my very first wood working project, bedroom night stands, and have used it for all my drawers ever since!
Yeah! This is going to be my go to from now on!
Absolutely love your videos and your ability to logically explain in detail without overburdening one's mind. And I smile every time you say "drawer". I am very curious in your history/background. I looked at your "about" but was disappointed in my findings. Really surprised you do not have more there. You are very smart and would really like to learn more of how you got here.
Once again, a great presentation. Lots of great accurate information, well thought out. Great workbench.
Glad you liked it!
Great Video, Tamar. One thing, many people leave the bottom of the drawers floating instead of gluing them in. Then it doesn't matter if they are slightly loose. Also, joining three of the sides together and then sliding the bottom in, without glue, makes the assembly process fairly quick.
I like the design of the fronts - the no hardware look is attractive and functional the way you made them - of course, sawdust may be able to get in the drawers.
Gluing the plywood bottoms in increases the strength and durability a lot, like > 10x! (that's a no math estimate)
There's nothing like your subwoofer rattling your drawer bottoms because they've all been left unglued. It adds a unique character to any room.
@@weldabar The wood is going to expand and contract, especially since this is a garage workshop. Leaving the "floating" as opposed to glue them prevents the bottoms from bowing and warping. The method Tamar is using to join the sides and back is plenty of strength.
@@Pepperrelish The plywood does not expand and contract. The drawer frame also does not expand and contract - wood does not expand and contract in length, so the drawer frame is stable in size (the height changes with season, but not the width or depth). So gluing plywood adds a lot of strength and does not cause any problems.
@@weldabar that is just not correct. All wood will be affect by moisture changes and will and expand and contract. If you bond it tightly like Tamar has it will bow and warp. I speak from experience but believe what you will. Lay a piece of plywood on your garage floor for several weeks and see what happens.
You are a great teacher. Math was logical and understandable, good job. Quarter method work great, just takes a little gettin used too. Thanks.
Thanks for always putting so much energy and details into your videos! Love it! I’ve learned so much from you! 😊👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💙
I'm so glad!
if you get all "nominal" thickness plywood you can just use metric for your drawer method. The 1/4" is 6mm, 1/2" is 12mm. The only part that might be tricky using metric is getting the dado blade to the proper thickness, but they typically have a setup for nominal thickness plywood. This is extra true if baltic birch is being used, because that's all manufactured with metric units in mind.
The bench is really coming together nicely. Those drawer fronts look really nice too. I built Steve Johnson's 5S style cabinets using quarter inch ply and had the same issue with the plywood being loose in the grove in the sides holding the cabinet backs. I switched from the dado stack to one of those special plywood router bits on the router table. Yeah, extra setup, but it worked really well. Can't wait for Part 3.
I always mean to pick those up. I need to get them already. Ha
Whiteside has a 3 piece set of them that are fantastic.
Formula is easier if (like the pocket holes) you place the sides and slides in the opening and measure the distance remaining. Then you simply add back two quarters (or two half’s) for the rabbit. Easy peasy. 😊
I had to pause, because I was in tears when the math ending counter popped up!😂😂😂😂 keep crushing it!
😂😂😂 had to UA-cam how to add a count down timer to a video 😂
Good description of the joinery method. Stumpy Nubs also does a video dedicated to explaining and demonstrating this method for those who may want to learn more about it.
Another excellent video. Thank you.
This was like a drawer building clinic! I’m keeping this video saved.
Awesome. Glad you found it informative!
Great workbench, and video. Looking forward to the next video. Thanks for sharing this project. Thumbs up.
PS: I've always enjoyed your accent. Or...is it my accent, that compels me to pronounce the normally silent r in drawer...?
So glad you like it!
So satisfying to watch the cuts! Great fitment for the drawers.
It’s was really satisfying to do!
As simple as this is, This was amazing. I love this!!!
Awesome to hear!
Thanks for this. I did mine on my router table and they came out perfect. This is a great way to make drawers.
Thank You! For me there was a lot of information that I will take away and use. Thanks for taking the time to make and share this content with us!
Awesome to hear!
I went to my local saw shop and had them make me a single blade that took a 1/4 inch kerf, ATB/R set up. Love it. It was a big time saver when I made lots of drawers. I never liked the drawer slides. I preferred the old school method of a thin strip of hardwood for the drawer bottom to slide on. Most of the sliding rail systems I saw would make the drawer 1 inch narrower which was part of the reason I made them that way. I would have to put a 3/4 or so wide strip in between the drawers, and yes, it took a little depth off of each drawer. A little wax on both the drawer bottom and the slider, and it will move easily and last forever. I guess now, they have teflon strips you can put on for easy to slide forever type drawers.
You did a great job on this project. I would leave the bottom floating in case I need to change them. Yes use half inch bottoms if you store heavy tools in them. Very good on the slides that is always a problem.👍
Tamara, great job. I think drawers are always a challenge but so worth it. I like you idea of just cutting out the top of the drawer face. Thanks for Sharing!🙃🙂
Great video of what looks like a brilliant way to make drawers
I'll call it a draw between your method and mine on "draw" making !!!! 😀 Love your workbench !!!!
Thanks so much!!
Oh good! I can't wait to see the "dwa-uhs" installed!
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Your bench is looking awesome!
If you have access to an extra Screw clamp you can cut a small rabbet on one of the sides so it would fit into the top of the fence on the side
this makes it easier to hold tall thin panels like you are trying to do !
Looks very nice!
You done an amazing job of explaining this technique. it’s not easy to understand without seeing it done. I’m gunna use it next time myself but as I don’t use dado stacks on my table Il be using it on the router table instead.
Thank you
Tamar you do such nice work . Thank you for sharing this excellent video.
If you're a fan of microjigs stuff already take a look at the fit finder. I took pretty much all of the trial and error out of setting these up. No more height gauges even. The only thing I use on occasion is a 1/4 or 3/8 inch setup block to check the dado width and make sure the stack doesn't need to be reshimmed....but even that is kind of moot with the inconsistent plywoods that are coming out.
Tamar: Cutting those tendons makes it look like you're trying to test that Saw Stop! Another idea (in addition to those below) would be to screw a flat piece of scrap to the inboard face of your wooden clamp. That would allow you to have two points of contact on the top of the tablesaw fence and there would be much less of a tendancy to wobble. I also notice that you're using a roller stand for outfeed. I also have to live with a table saw on a mobile base. Solved outfeed support by shimming up a piece of plywood to be level when resting on the rear fence support. Three toggle clamps on the bottom hold it firm and now my roller stand is only used to support the other end of this temporary table. Much easier that trying to exactly align a roller and works like a champ for cutting sheet goods.
Thank you, that was very interesting and informative.
Fantastic!
looks mint. well done
Hi Tamar, loved your explanation of the half method. On the drawer bottom I would have just used a router table with 3/16 bit and routed twice to the exact width for the plywood bottom. Yes it deviates from the other setup, but a tight fit on a drawer bottom that will get tons of use is a better method.
You are my favourite UA-camr woodworker
I love your videos
Thanks you so much from Canada
Excellent work!!!
An easier way to cut the tenons without moving the fence would be to attach the 1/4” scrap you used previously to the fence and then run the pieces through with the miter as you did for the grooves. This is much safer and will give you a consistent cut.
Exceedingly well done, as always. I thoroughly enjoy and comparatively-learn from your well crafted video's. Thanks and all the Best!
So awesome to hear!
Very elegant cut strategy. Some of the antique furniture I’ve seen had small wedges glued in to firm up the drawer bottoms in the groove.
I’ll have to do that sometime!
Thanks 💐
Great tip on making drawers. Thanks. I have to try this (1/2,. 1/2, 1/2) the next time I need to make drawers.
De belles explications,beaucoup de détails,merci, à bientôt salut Jeannot ⚒😉
Also, for the upright cuts, make a quick saddle that rides entire fence and overlaps the upright board. So that it can not come off fence or wobble.
I love when you build drawers because you and I pronounce drawers very differently. I didn't realize it until a prior video of yours, but I say drawers in a pretty southern accent (makes sense, being that I'm from the south) compared to your New England (?) inflection. Now when one of your drawer videos pops up I poke fun at myself by saying drawers over and over in my best John Wayne accent. :D Thanks for always bringing great woodworking and now sociolinguistic content!
Your math explanation made perfect sense and sounds more complicated than it actually is. To support the hand screw clamp you could screw a 6 in by 6 in piece of scrap to the bottom of one side that would ride on top of the fence to help keep the parts square when cutting them.
Really enjoying this build... God Bless...
Awesome to hear
ELITE!!!!
Love the handscrew clamp trick.
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I like the half half half method. I've used it quite a bit. Last year I did a camp for kids where they made a box using these joints. For ease and safety, I made a small table saw sled with a fence I can clamp in. Use your imagination as to what it looks like. It turned out I REALLY like it. What I love about it, is you can take it off the saw and remove your dado blade, but if you keep the dado stack separate, you can easily reinstall the stack and put your sled back on the saw and it lines up great. I use it whenever I make drawers now. I want to make a new, better one with some T-track and replaceable zero clearance.
Sounds smart to use a sled!
Nice method, strong joints and great explanation of the measurements. 😊😊
Glad you liked it! I know it’s boring stuff but it’s stuff we all need to use 😂