As a foreigner living and settled in Norway, I can confirm every single word she mentioned, I used to think that having Middle Eastern background is the reason why I find Norwegian costumes & live style so strange, but working in a hotel and meeting people from different parts of the world, made me realize that it’s not just me lol. The lady is so sweet and warm, would love to meet her one day, she’s also very good at explaining things. I really enjoyed this episode, wish she’ll be in the show again 😊🤍👍🏼👌🏼
It's normal in Scandinavia to make sure early on that you have the same vision for the future. Likely he didn't ask if she wanted kids with him but if she sees herself having kids in the near future. Especially for anyone 30+ it makes total sense to ask this, to not waste time with anyone who might know they never want kids for eg.
I come from a Mediterranean country but I find myself much closer to the Norwegian mentality than to that of my country. Respecting other people's time and lives is crucial, I find it normal that you don't want to invest sentimentally in something that you know won't work out. I find it normal to ask the person how long they are going to stay in the country, whether they want to have children or the financial situation, a relationship is not just romance but mostly joint planning.
Thank you Marina for making another video about dating in Norway! All of us are excited to hear about what it's like to date Norwegians. Thank you for talking to this author and blogger!
It was very exciting for me honestly because I loved her book so much. She was also super down to earth which made the conversation even better. Happy you liked it!
Having lived in Japan for 12 years and now in Sweden for the past 6 months with freqent trips to Bergen and Oslo, I can safely say that Japanese culture is EXACTLY the same in many respects to Norweigian/Swedish society save for the sleeping around and lack of commitment bit. I have no stress here as its just like living over there truly. I shall buy her book!
Yeah this is why I find I'm fascinated both by Scandinavia and Japan - lots of social codes to follow in order to function well in society.. and also highest loneliness unfortunately
@@datingbeyondborderscast Indeed. As much as I like Sweden and its people very much, their family life is a mess with the average family and its members having no less than 3 family names. The loneliness is very great and I could never stop having the lyrics of Elenor Rigby going through my head, ‘Look at all the lonely people’…. I wonder if the cost is really worth it. It’s too high I feel.
@@yahyahussein425 Maybe alone, but not lonely, privat and mind their own business is what we call it in Norway, In my family there is at least more than 10 family names.
I am Norwegian, born and raised, and with this, I realized that I'm not, there was a lot of nonsense, in what society (bygd) she lived in, which must be a weird one.
This woman just hates Norwegians and Norwegian culture. She even accused Norway of imperialism once, which is ironic coming from a French person. All she does is complasin and stereotype Norwegians to justify her negative view of us.
A lot of misunderstandings and a lack of understanding of why things work the way they do. Perhaps it is also her own fear of "doing something wrong" that rules her life. Much of what she says Norwegians cannot do is perfectly fine, something I know from experience because I am not a typical Norwegian myself.
Hun ønsker fordelene Norge har å by på, men hun liker ikke forholdene som skapte landet. Jeg klarer ikke holde kjeft - måtte legge igjen noen utfyllende kommentarer.
@@ahkkariq7406 In this case as everywhere, ''when in Rome, do as the Romans do''. The foreigners are the weird ones, if they don't like it, leave or adapt.
I've never had a problem bringing other than slices of bread with toppings to work. Yes, I've certainly received comments that it looks healthy and good, but that's not negative. I have also shown anger among my colleagues and I have the impression that many find it refreshing as long as you are able to calm down and continue to discuss objectively. Yes, tube cheese is completely normal in the Nordic countries. It's like that all over the world - people eat the strangest things. Should I go to France and be negative about them eating snails? What I find strange is that two people who consider themselves to be interested in different countries and cultures sit on camera and giggle like little girls about eating habits in other countries. Food in a tube is both practical and economical for the simple reason that you don't have to stick a spoon or knife into the food to get it out. There is also no access to air in the tube. Both parts prevent bacteria from getting the chance to grow, which is very practical in a country where people would rather take their food on mountain trips than eat in fine restaurants. Yes, it's true that going for a walk in nature is good for your mental health. More people should try it as an alternative to arguing with their fellow human beings. Nature provides a peace of mind like nothing else. When you are out in nature a lot, you don't need to show anger. What exactly is wrong with that? Can it be imagined that it is not actually about Norwegians not daring to show emotion, as some write in the comments here, but that it is the other way around - that Norwegians do not need to show a lot of emotion precisely because we are out in nature a lot, and that we therefore are fine? Otherwise, it was not people from northern Norway who exported the fish to Portugal. They delivered fish to Bergen, who sent it on. The fact that people in the different parts of the country are different is more about the fact that the country is divided both geographically and culturally, with large climatic differences between the south and the north. What is strange is that this French woman is more attracted to people from the north - if she thinks cheese on a tube is strange, she should stay far away from the food in the north. I, who am from the north, will also have much less trouble scolding her for being rude. If you ask me, she can go home to France.
His question was not whether you wanted children with him. It was if you wanted children at all. He doesn't have time to start a relationship with a woman, fall in love with her and then discover that she is not interested in starting a family. Should he spend time on you and any future heartbreak when he strictly has no time for it? Isn't it just as well to clarify such things immediately? Oh, I understand - she's French. It's all about romance. Alcohol is expensive in Norway. Very expensive - and that comes in addition to other expenses, which are also large. If a person has a bigger apartment than the others, a better location or neighbors who have no problems with you having a party at your house - then it will be very expensive for that person to treat the others to alcohol repeatedly. Norwegians get it. That's why we have an unwritten rule that you bring what you're going to drink yourself - and this applies especially among young people who can't afford it very well. We adults also bring alcohol with us, but now it is more common for the host to have bought something for the party. Also, don't forget that most Norwegians socialize with people of all classes. It is possible that you yourself earn well and can afford to treat others to alcohol, but you cannot know whether the others at the party can afford it as well. Since everyone pays for their own alcohol, even those with less money can afford to invite to a party. And btw - I've also been to parties where people put a can of wine or beer in the fridge, which everyone can drink. Strangely enough, it has happened without any French saviors telling us how it is possible to be generous. Amazingly, I have also been to many parties where the host has cooked. This woman's influence is so great that it not only extends far beyond her own social circle - it also stretches back in time.
As a foreigner who spent time in Oslo my friends and I experiences was totally different. We found them personable and warm and funny but respectful. I don’t think most cultures value privacy and respect and that what makes them stand out
26:00 in Norwegian's defense, i can see how they'd like to know if someone plans to stay or move back in a relationship. + of course they're interested in your financial situation. Goes for any country i'd say. tho' yes, Norwegians are more 'strict' in some areas so to speak, and French people are strict in other ways. Regarding dating, Norwegians are Very committed or, totally not, it is very strange that way, this makes it extremely hard to know what kind of "bird" you have met. Also, if you lived in France during the same time, I'm sure you would see a lot of the same things in relationships, cheating etc. Actually, statistically, French people cheat more. ...Overall, a good summary... (I'm Norwegian, have lived abroad)
It is funny because alcool and the cost of living is about the same price in Quebec as in Norway and we still have the habit to share a lot (and a big reputation about this). My guess is that paying your own stuff is rather cultural than economical, which seems to be logic when you look about how being independent is important here (amongst other stuffs). It seems simply different ..
My temper is highly similar to every descriptions I hear or read about Norwegians (from locals and foreigners), and I still manage to have a great amount of highly close friends and get new ones easily wherever I go even if I am heavily shy, reserved and weird. This is a country where I would definitely love to move to (currently visiting it for a little while now), but I must admit I am a little afraid of feeling totally lonely here even if I am myself highly solitary and independant by nature… Even with a friend of mine who know me a lot, have been living here for two years and keep telling me this place is tailored for me.
I think we now understand the personality of Magnus Carlsen-it really makes sense now. I like this kind of person. Maybe they love more deeply, which is why they’re protective. And it’s better than playing nice while being full of lies, something we see a lot in certain regions of the world. I think honesty is a great value that makes a society trustworthy. A little bit of empathy still can be nice-maybe the Brits do a god job in that regard.The one-night stand thing isn’t something I personally prefer, but I’ve heard about it a lot in Scandinavian countries; maybe it’s their way of dancing for testing the chemistry first. This is one of my favorite UA-cam channels; it’s so interesting to learn more about other cultures.
Except for a finer whiskey, I have never taken alcohol back home with me after gathering with friends. But I will never bring a finer whiskey if it is a party. And if there is anything left, it belongs to the house owner. When Norwegians become friends, there is a mutual understanding of respect, loyalty, and social acceptance. In Norway, we do not have many shallow relationships, but we do have a few real close friends we really trust. When Norwegians are commuting to or from work or whatever, we do not like to be bothered. We respect each other personal space, therefore we do not talk to anyone unless we do not have to. I can not relate to what was mentioned about men of what finance relates to. Financial situation comes way down the line when seeking a companion. The most important thing is what is between the ears. Is the person loving, caring, nice, generous, funny+++? If there is a good financial it is great, but not a requirement. I have never heard of this requirement from any of my friends, but the strange thing I have heard is that his future companion had to be a supporter of a certain football club. I feel that this video is really stereotyping the Norwegians. we are diverse as well. We are not robots. 🙂 But anyhow, I still liked this video. It seems that you have met some strange men. Normally men do not attach women with a life plan chart when meeting women.. We spend a long time building up a mutual trust in our life companion. My tip to new country men or women, start going to team sports or any type of activity. There are online hiking groups where people meet up and hike together. Congrats on her citizenship. 🙂
Im Norwegian American, my people are from Voss; appalled at how cold and unfriendly Scandanavians are. For example if someone says hello here in the US, and you dont reply or you treat them as if they have leprosy, half the time there will be a confrontation about it. You MUST show people respect. Be honorable!
@chriscoll6493 Where and who have you been talking to? I've lived in Norway for over a decade and found them super friendly. It's customary to wave at people as you pass them in a car, everyone greets each other while hiking, people are nearly always willing to help you and do so with a smile. And I've done a fair bit of travelling here too and this has been the case accross the country.
This reminded me to check up on my Swedish friend lol she doesn’t communicate her emotions as all and isolates from me randomly. I started to get offended, like are you ghosting me Im confused lol all I can do is show her that I care. I don’t know what else to do 🙃
I'm surprised to learn that snus tobacco is popular in Norway, especially with the advent of vaping. In America, snus is generally associated with "low class" rural types. The only people I've known to use it have been baseball players. You will never see it used by highly educated urbanites. Many of their customs seem quite sensible to me, e.g. bringing your own drinks to a party so that everything is very transparent and there's no hidden sense of future obligation. It's important to consider things through the lens of the harsh climate they acclimated to over several thousands years. It is of utmost importance to be highly self-reliant. Resources are scarce and weak, dependent, overly emotional people are a liability. There is much less margin for error here than in the tropics.
It has been a very long time since I have seen someone use loose snus tobacco in Norway. She probably brings it up because she feels the need to show how strange and barbaric Norwegians are. Most people use snus in small packets, much like tea bags. My husband has been using them for many years without me noticing. He is an adult and does what he wants. Better that than him smoking. You're right about the alcohol. It is very expensive, even though she says it's not. It also, as you mention, sets you free of future obligation. The last part of your comment is the best part. Your understanding extends far beyond these women's giggling attempts to understand the world.
@@ahkkariq7406I’m wondering if the long dark winter have something to do with how the mentality developed. People had to simplify their lives , I mean it wasn’t long ago there wasn’t electricity. Also the diet must have been basic too. Expecting Norwegians to suddenly be like French or Italian is unrealistic. Totally different history and geography . Anyway I think somehow she is attracted to the very thing she makes fun of.
@@hirsch4155 I have no doubt that the climate has affected people's mentality, and the people living today carry this with them as a legacy from their ancestors. To survive through long, cold winters, you had to work hard with your preparations - free passengers were hardly popular. To keep the heat, it was important that the homes were small and low under the roof. Many people often lived in these small and cramped dwellings. You could of course go outside to clear your mind, but large parts of the time had to be spent indoors. You can imagine for yourself how that has influenced what behavior has been acceptable to avoid people stabbing each other with the knife - something that has certainly happened many times throughout history. And because that happened, the worst troublemakers did not pass on their genes - while the others learned to control themselves. Many Norwegians probably like to think of themselves as open and outgoing as the French and Italian, but it goes without saying that different environments create different people. Having said that, the people further north in Norway are less closed than people in the south. I suppose it is because people in the north lived a different life, as hunters and trappers, and not so much as farmers. There was plenty of fish and wild animals, and because agriculture was not possible, the number of people who could live in the area was limited.
i like how you dont quite understand the relationship part of norway. its a harsh country, finding someone who has the same values is hard. starting a family is not somthing we take lightly, if someone dosent know if theyre even staying in the country more then 6 months then at best youll be a fuckfriend til you figure out your life. the thing about weather you own your appartment or not is the same thing. if you are settled and have created a life on your own, then its up to the other person to fit in. theres not alot of romance in norway, but it will be memorable when it happens. norwegians get theyre education and a job before anything else, thats the norm. thats the selfishness of norwegians, securing one self long term. the alcohol, yea i payed for my beers, its the beer i like, i used my money ofcourse im taking it home so i can enjoy the rest. this is just the trend from student days when we dont have alot of money. if you want my beer you ask if you can have some.
Jeg tenker at du må møte folk fra Bergen, Stavanger, Trondheim og Oslo, Tromsø.. Ålesund osv. Det er ulike kulturer på ulike steder.. + ikke glem Utdannelsesnivå....
@@gautearefjord ja... mer kostebilen mer klassetrine de er... er det det du mener?... mer utdannelse enda mer ræv på jobb???... da er det sant det du sier.
As a Norwegian I would like to thank you for shitting on our way of life. Love that the best things about Norway bit is a really short part, then there is basicly "worst part" of Norway for the rest of the video :D But respect for staying as long as 14 years :p
Well Marina is focusing on the differences for the interview. It makes for a more engaging discussion. The author now has Norwegian citizenship, so obviously the differences aren't THAT bad.
@@37tara Norway and the way norwegians work is not competitive at all with another european country. They come late at work, they work until early or they dont like to work....
Norway was a poor fihing and shipping nation until she found oil. Apart from the Oslo area (Østlandet) everything is by sea or ONE town areas. Norway only exist as independent since 1905. Just like Iceland is very protective of her language Norway is a bit... about their food. Production of oil in Norway started 1971. 50 years ago. Swedes like me usually says going to Norway is like a time mahcine 10+ years ago or even more in smaller places. Sweden having an economical crisis in the 1990s and joining the EU changes Sweden a lot over time (comparing with Norway).
Here is an example of my current conversation with a Norwegian man. Me: I believe you are someone who is a deep thinker, and someone who doesn’t take the relationships you do maintain for granted. I also get the feeling that when you do love someone you love with all that you have. Its also the same reason you avoid getting too close to anyone new. Him: Some of it is true😊 Me: I think most of that is true, loving someone can be a huge responsibility as you have suggested in our past conversations.
Yes, I see that question as quite important. There is no point dating a person if they have an opposite opinion about children than your own. It is not if they want them today but sometime in the future.
Having a community is getting lost now days in a lot of places worldwide When you are going on a date it always good to ask questions like how long you are going to live here, where do you see yourself in five years and so on so the other person know were your head is at also so that other person knows if he or she wants to continue to see you or not Going on dates are made with the end goal of protentional having that person you are seeing be your gf or bf because if that not the end goal then what the point on going on dates in the first place Everyone should have a plan or somewhat know what they want in life because if you do not then what the heck are you doing then Why should anyone be invested in a person if they do not align with the other person no matter what it is Everyone should have the talk if you are seeing someone for a good period of time to know were both of y'all stand You should know if y'all are bf and gf because if you do not know then you are probably not in a relationship Just because you are dating someone does not mean you can't date other people at the same time because unless you are taken then you are free to do whatever you want It good that people in Norway don't waste other people time and energy and they just go after what they want and are up front because life is not like a Disney movie There is nothing wrong for a woman to go up to a man she likes because it does not make her any less of a person unless her intention are bad or she a bad person I wish more women in the US would make the first move on men and be up front with men The whole getting drunk to be able to talk to other people part I do not like Waiting for 8 years is to long for me but I am sure she was waiting for him because probably he was an alpha male When you are drunk/impaired things will happen that you probably will not remember Men wanting women to be a responsible adult is understandable because that life as adult for both men and women in modern times Being a stay-at-home mom aka tradwife should never be a bad thing or have a bad stigma attached to it Why is it that nowdays having a blue collar job is look down upon Makeup, tattoos and so on, on women is overrated and more women should be natural looking at all time Teamwork is very important always no matter if it a relationship or not All dating apps are lame
When I say "very interesting" I genuinely mean that. I loved her thoughts and never thought what she said was BS so how you go and label that superiority is beyond me.
What planet does she live on? I do not recognize the Norway she describes. Can it be imagined that it is her own lens and her fear of doing something wrong that has given her this impression of Norwegians? Because Norway is a long country, and the culture in the various parts of the country is very different, as well as people moving around, Norwegians are used to different reaction patterns. I myself am from the north, and live furthest south. The culture in the two parts of the country is like night and day, which all Norwegians know, and we therefore expect different behavior from people from different parts of the country. Foreigners therefore need not be afraid of not fitting in. Norwegians can handle you being strange. The question is whether you yourself can cope with the fact that you are different from the people around you, and handle their reactions to you and your comments - or if you, like this woman, consider yourself superior because you come from cultured and distinguished France. I actually think the antipathy goes both ways. Norwegians in general have just as little feeling for the French as the French have for Norwegians.
How is is that every foreinger gets the points she makes, but the Norwegians do not agree?? Because as a fish you cannot "see" the water you are swimming in.... you're so immerged into your culture that you cannot see what is strange about it, until you spend a considerate time abroad. I have lived in norway for 13 years, and I agree that people from north, west, south and east Norway differ, but they ar all still Norwegians with similar strange habits.
They're extremely afraid of emotions and afraid of mistakes. Which is a non logical way of life, surprisingly. Because everythint is practice and part of it is mistakes. So theres a lot of mistakes in relationships/flirting, bad decisions with money, and other things that you only learn with experience. Theyre growing up with a very infantile approach to things because theyre only mental, 0 experience And the experience they could have they delete/forget/ignore, never develop. They'll be underdeveloped in many aspects, sadly.
Some people run on enotions. Emotionally weak, irrational people. You're the irrational, weak ones who let emotions rule you. You are insincere, superficial. It's how we Norwegians view you foreigners, including this French woman who does nothing but complain, yet she's still here.
Norway is one of the most advanced societies. The level of respect and forward thinking I have never seen elsewhere. The quality of life is very high. Nothing infantile about it.
Two women who have left their home countries talking shit about the countries that they have moved to. Mainly about Norway, but also about Sweden which the interviewer seems to know. The French lady seems to think the French way of living is how it should be, so why on earth leave France, and why on earth get Norwegian citizenship ??? What she says about Norway... 😱 Being a Norwegian I don't recognize any of it... I hope her colleges and friends ( if she has any ) come across this so they know what kind of person they are dealing with...
I am English don’t understand what u are napping about. Where do u live in Norway? I have lived here for more than 50 years and have never seen or what u are japping about. And married for more than 50 with a Norwegian. Lots of thing I think u in France are eating and how u are living I would not talk so nasty about your people’s culture
This interviewee seems not to travel much. Sweetened white cheese also exists in Poland ( for example) "serek waniliowy" and empanadas de queso camarón are a thing in Chile--where mixing cheese with shellfish is done. She's quite ignorant.
Well I can see now why this man I have been talking to for almost 2 yrs is afraid to love me. I guess Im not at his level and its so heart breaking and sad. I don’t expect him to take care of me financially. Im not super athletic. Im a very open direct person. I have cried many tears over him because I know if he gave me a chance it could be a good thing, even if its not forever.
It is very interesting culture but a bit extreme. Like Americans can be the opposite extreme in anyway than the Norwegians. Unfortunately this culture stops including me many people to come over there. The worst are the comments here that come from Norwegian people. More scary than the actual stereotypes about them. They seem to be fixeted about Norway almost to an indoctrinated, obsessed extends.
Why should Norwegians try to please people who don't like us and our way of living our lives? If you don't like what Norway has to offer, there is absolutely no reason for you to come. We can manage without you.
I can’t believe what I am hearing. I feeling sorry for you living in Norway for so long. You obviously hate it. If I was you I would clear off back to where you came from and stop insulting the Norwegian culture. I have lived in Norway for many years (50+) and the misinformation you are spreading I find personally insulting. 99% of what you are saying is plain rubbish so there is no chance I’ll buy your book - the thought of it revolts me. I hope you take this comment to heart.
@@stormmaster108 The French lady hates Norwegian culture and yet she lives here. I'd rather have someone here who would respect our culture rather than look down on it like she does.
@Onnarashi Yes, I don't understand why people try so hard to live in countries where the culture is not really appealing to them, especially when they had already lived in a lot of places and liked those cultures more. (I mean, when they have options to choose)
Norwegians Stop identifying with your culture, the lesson here is, Norwegians don’t even like themselves being Norwegian…and have cut themselves off from their truth, authenticity, emotions. It makes you a bigger person to truly evolve, grow, mature, and expand your mind. Don’t go on French lady’s talk and tell her she’s wrong because she chose to see you for who you really are. Face the truth, grow up.
This feels very hyperbolic. I’m a Norwegian in my mid fifties, have worked in at least 7-8 companies during my work life. I’ve never had to bring my own lunch.
Here is an example of my current conversation with a Norwegian man. Me: I believe you are someone who is a deep thinker, and someone who doesn’t take the relationships you do maintain for granted. I also get the feeling that when you do love someone you love with all that you have. Its also the same reason you avoid getting too close to anyone new. Him: Some of it is true😊 Me: I think most of that is true, loving someone can be a huge responsibility as you have suggested in our past conversations.
As a foreigner living and settled in Norway, I can confirm every single word she mentioned, I used to think that having Middle Eastern background is the reason why I find Norwegian costumes & live style so strange, but working in a hotel and meeting people from different parts of the world, made me realize that it’s not just me lol.
The lady is so sweet and warm, would love to meet her one day, she’s also very good at explaining things. I really enjoyed this episode, wish she’ll be in the show again 😊🤍👍🏼👌🏼
Yes, she really was super down to earth and very honest too which is always great for having these conversations. Happy you enjoyed!
I am a foreigner and don’t find them strange at all. Imagine me thinking that everyone that doesn’t behave like me is strange
It's normal in Scandinavia to make sure early on that you have the same vision for the future. Likely he didn't ask if she wanted kids with him but if she sees herself having kids in the near future.
Especially for anyone 30+ it makes total sense to ask this, to not waste time with anyone who might know they never want kids for eg.
absolutely. pretty egoistic and unshameful :)
I come from a Mediterranean country but I find myself much closer to the Norwegian mentality than to that of my country. Respecting other people's time and lives is crucial, I find it normal that you don't want to invest sentimentally in something that you know won't work out. I find it normal to ask the person how long they are going to stay in the country, whether they want to have children or the financial situation, a relationship is not just romance but mostly joint planning.
the same! that is the reason why I moved to Norway (from Balkans :))
thank you rationality and thank you full respect Norwegians have! :)
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Thank you Marina for making another video about dating in Norway!
All of us are excited to hear about what it's like to date Norwegians.
Thank you for talking to this author and blogger!
It was very exciting for me honestly because I loved her book so much. She was also super down to earth which made the conversation even better. Happy you liked it!
I dated someone Norwegian from the us, nearly married him, wow, dodged a bullet. sooo true, I wish I had known this then
Having lived in Japan for 12 years and now in Sweden for the past 6 months with freqent trips to Bergen and Oslo, I can safely say that Japanese culture is EXACTLY the same in many respects to Norweigian/Swedish society save for the sleeping around and lack of commitment bit. I have no stress here as its just like living over there truly. I shall buy her book!
Yeah this is why I find I'm fascinated both by Scandinavia and Japan - lots of social codes to follow in order to function well in society.. and also highest loneliness unfortunately
@@datingbeyondborderscast Indeed. As much as I like Sweden and its people very much, their family life is a mess with the average family and its members having no less than 3 family names. The loneliness is very great and I could never stop having the lyrics of Elenor Rigby going through my head, ‘Look at all the lonely people’…. I wonder if the cost is really worth it. It’s too high I feel.
@@yahyahussein425 Maybe alone, but not lonely, privat and mind their own business is what we call it in Norway, In my family there is at least more than 10 family names.
@@datingbeyondborderscast no the Japanese are far from being lonely places like Tokyo it is very easy to mingle and meet Japanese people.
I am Norwegian, born and raised, and with this, I realized that I'm not, there was a lot of nonsense, in what society (bygd) she lived in, which must be a weird one.
This woman just hates Norwegians and Norwegian culture. She even accused Norway of imperialism once, which is ironic coming from a French person. All she does is complasin and stereotype Norwegians to justify her negative view of us.
If she knew a little bit of history, we once had Normandie and robbed Paris...LOL@@Onnarashi
A lot of misunderstandings and a lack of understanding of why things work the way they do. Perhaps it is also her own fear of "doing something wrong" that rules her life. Much of what she says Norwegians cannot do is perfectly fine, something I know from experience because I am not a typical Norwegian myself.
Hun ønsker fordelene Norge har å by på, men hun liker ikke forholdene som skapte landet. Jeg klarer ikke holde kjeft - måtte legge igjen noen utfyllende kommentarer.
@@ahkkariq7406 In this case as everywhere, ''when in Rome, do as the Romans do''. The foreigners are the weird ones, if they don't like it, leave or adapt.
I've never had a problem bringing other than slices of bread with toppings to work. Yes, I've certainly received comments that it looks healthy and good, but that's not negative.
I have also shown anger among my colleagues and I have the impression that many find it refreshing as long as you are able to calm down and continue to discuss objectively. Yes, tube cheese is completely normal in the Nordic countries. It's like that all over the world - people eat the strangest things. Should I go to France and be negative about them eating snails? What I find strange is that two people who consider themselves to be interested in different countries and cultures sit on camera and giggle like little girls about eating habits in other countries. Food in a tube is both practical and economical for the simple reason that you don't have to stick a spoon or knife into the food to get it out. There is also no access to air in the tube. Both parts prevent bacteria from getting the chance to grow, which is very practical in a country where people would rather take their food on mountain trips than eat in fine restaurants.
Yes, it's true that going for a walk in nature is good for your mental health. More people should try it as an alternative to arguing with their fellow human beings. Nature provides a peace of mind like nothing else. When you are out in nature a lot, you don't need to show anger. What exactly is wrong with that? Can it be imagined that it is not actually about Norwegians not daring to show emotion, as some write in the comments here, but that it is the other way around - that Norwegians do not need to show a lot of emotion precisely because we are out in nature a lot, and that we therefore are fine?
Otherwise, it was not people from northern Norway who exported the fish to Portugal. They delivered fish to Bergen, who sent it on. The fact that people in the different parts of the country are different is more about the fact that the country is divided both geographically and culturally, with large climatic differences between the south and the north. What is strange is that this French woman is more attracted to people from the north - if she thinks cheese on a tube is strange, she should stay far away from the food in the north.
I, who am from the north, will also have much less trouble scolding her for being rude. If you ask me, she can go home to France.
His question was not whether you wanted children with him. It was if you wanted children at all. He doesn't have time to start a relationship with a woman, fall in love with her and then discover that she is not interested in starting a family. Should he spend time on you and any future heartbreak when he strictly has no time for it? Isn't it just as well to clarify such things immediately? Oh, I understand - she's French. It's all about romance.
Alcohol is expensive in Norway. Very expensive - and that comes in addition to other expenses, which are also large. If a person has a bigger apartment than the others, a better location or neighbors who have no problems with you having a party at your house - then it will be very expensive for that person to treat the others to alcohol repeatedly. Norwegians get it. That's why we have an unwritten rule that you bring what you're going to drink yourself - and this applies especially among young people who can't afford it very well. We adults also bring alcohol with us, but now it is more common for the host to have bought something for the party.
Also, don't forget that most Norwegians socialize with people of all classes. It is possible that you yourself earn well and can afford to treat others to alcohol, but you cannot know whether the others at the party can afford it as well. Since everyone pays for their own alcohol, even those with less money can afford to invite to a party.
And btw - I've also been to parties where people put a can of wine or beer in the fridge, which everyone can drink. Strangely enough, it has happened without any French saviors telling us how it is possible to be generous. Amazingly, I have also been to many parties where the host has cooked. This woman's influence is so great that it not only extends far beyond her own social circle - it also stretches back in time.
As a foreigner who spent time in Oslo my friends and I experiences was totally different. We found them personable and warm and funny but respectful. I don’t think most cultures value privacy and respect and that what makes them stand out
Also the questions in terms of dating seem pretty valid to me. Not kids with you but kids in general
Funny to watch and I must say you both have adopted the Norwegian spirit very well. It's like I can see the transformation in your faces.
Have I also? Cause I don't live in Norway 🤣
@@datingbeyondborderscast Yes, you are immersed in the Norwegian. It's evident in both mimicry and tone of voice. Your engagement is magnificent.
Very good comment! I completely agree.
26:00 in Norwegian's defense, i can see how they'd like to know if someone plans to stay or move back in a relationship.
+ of course they're interested in your financial situation. Goes for any country i'd say.
tho' yes, Norwegians are more 'strict' in some areas so to speak, and French people are strict in other ways.
Regarding dating, Norwegians are Very committed or, totally not, it is very strange that way,
this makes it extremely hard to know what kind of "bird" you have met.
Also, if you lived in France during the same time, I'm sure you would see a lot of the same things in relationships, cheating etc.
Actually, statistically, French people cheat more.
...Overall, a good summary... (I'm Norwegian, have lived abroad)
It is funny because alcool and the cost of living is about the same price in Quebec as in Norway and we still have the habit to share a lot (and a big reputation about this). My guess is that paying your own stuff is rather cultural than economical, which seems to be logic when you look about how being independent is important here (amongst other stuffs). It seems simply different ..
My temper is highly similar to every descriptions I hear or read about Norwegians (from locals and foreigners), and I still manage to have a great amount of highly close friends and get new ones easily wherever I go even if I am heavily shy, reserved and weird.
This is a country where I would definitely love to move to (currently visiting it for a little while now), but I must admit I am a little afraid of feeling totally lonely here even if I am myself highly solitary and independant by nature… Even with a friend of mine who know me a lot, have been living here for two years and keep telling me this place is tailored for me.
I think we now understand the personality of Magnus Carlsen-it really makes sense now. I like this kind of person. Maybe they love more deeply, which is why they’re protective. And it’s better than playing nice while being full of lies, something we see a lot in certain regions of the world. I think honesty is a great value that makes a society trustworthy. A little bit of empathy still can be nice-maybe the Brits do a god job in that regard.The one-night stand thing isn’t something I personally prefer, but I’ve heard about it a lot in Scandinavian countries; maybe it’s their way of dancing for testing the chemistry first. This is one of my favorite UA-cam channels; it’s so interesting to learn more about other cultures.
Except for a finer whiskey, I have never taken alcohol back home with me after gathering with friends. But I will never bring a finer whiskey if it is a party. And if there is anything left, it belongs to the house owner. When Norwegians become friends, there is a mutual understanding of respect, loyalty, and social acceptance. In Norway, we do not have many shallow relationships, but we do have a few real close friends we really trust. When Norwegians are commuting to or from work or whatever, we do not like to be bothered. We respect each other personal space, therefore we do not talk to anyone unless we do not have to. I can not relate to what was mentioned about men of what finance relates to. Financial situation comes way down the line when seeking a companion. The most important thing is what is between the ears. Is the person loving, caring, nice, generous, funny+++? If there is a good financial it is great, but not a requirement. I have never heard of this requirement from any of my friends, but the strange thing I have heard is that his future companion had to be a supporter of a certain football club. I feel that this video is really stereotyping the Norwegians. we are diverse as well. We are not robots. 🙂 But anyhow, I still liked this video. It seems that you have met some strange men. Normally men do not attach women with a life plan chart when meeting women.. We spend a long time building up a mutual trust in our life companion. My tip to new country men or women, start going to team sports or any type of activity. There are online hiking groups where people meet up and hike together. Congrats on her citizenship. 🙂
Im Norwegian American, my people are from Voss; appalled at how cold and unfriendly Scandanavians are. For example if someone says hello here in the US, and you dont reply or you treat them as if they have leprosy, half the time there will be a confrontation about it. You MUST show people respect. Be honorable!
@chriscoll6493 Where and who have you been talking to? I've lived in Norway for over a decade and found them super friendly. It's customary to wave at people as you pass them in a car, everyone greets each other while hiking, people are nearly always willing to help you and do so with a smile. And I've done a fair bit of travelling here too and this has been the case accross the country.
I live amongst the Ancestor’s of Norwegians here, and trust me they are not much different. Writing from Passive aggressive Minnesota.
This reminded me to check up on my Swedish friend lol she doesn’t communicate her emotions as all and isolates from me randomly. I started to get offended, like are you ghosting me Im confused lol all I can do is show her that I care. I don’t know what else to do 🙃
social acceptance of cheating and not talking about it is very unhealthy
I'm surprised to learn that snus tobacco is popular in Norway, especially with the advent of vaping. In America, snus is generally associated with "low class" rural types. The only people I've known to use it have been baseball players. You will never see it used by highly educated urbanites.
Many of their customs seem quite sensible to me, e.g. bringing your own drinks to a party so that everything is very transparent and there's no hidden sense of future obligation.
It's important to consider things through the lens of the harsh climate they acclimated to over several thousands years. It is of utmost importance to be highly self-reliant. Resources are scarce and weak, dependent, overly emotional people are a liability. There is much less margin for error here than in the tropics.
It has been a very long time since I have seen someone use loose snus tobacco in Norway. She probably brings it up because she feels the need to show how strange and barbaric Norwegians are. Most people use snus in small packets, much like tea bags. My husband has been using them for many years without me noticing. He is an adult and does what he wants. Better that than him smoking.
You're right about the alcohol. It is very expensive, even though she says it's not. It also, as you mention, sets you free of future obligation.
The last part of your comment is the best part. Your understanding extends far beyond these women's giggling attempts to understand the world.
@@ahkkariq7406I’m wondering if the long dark winter have something to do with how the mentality developed. People had to simplify their lives , I mean it wasn’t long ago there wasn’t electricity. Also the diet must have been basic too.
Expecting Norwegians to suddenly be like French or Italian is unrealistic. Totally different history and geography .
Anyway I think somehow she is attracted to the very thing she makes fun of.
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I have no doubt that the climate has affected people's mentality, and the people living today carry this with them as a legacy from their ancestors.
To survive through long, cold winters, you had to work hard with your preparations - free passengers were hardly popular. To keep the heat, it was important that the homes were small and low under the roof. Many people often lived in these small and cramped dwellings. You could of course go outside to clear your mind, but large parts of the time had to be spent indoors. You can imagine for yourself how that has influenced what behavior has been acceptable to avoid people stabbing each other with the knife - something that has certainly happened many times throughout history. And because that happened, the worst troublemakers did not pass on their genes - while the others learned to control themselves.
Many Norwegians probably like to think of themselves as open and outgoing as the French and Italian, but it goes without saying that different environments create different people.
Having said that, the people further north in Norway are less closed than people in the south. I suppose it is because people in the north lived a different life, as hunters and trappers, and not so much as farmers. There was plenty of fish and wild animals, and because agriculture was not possible, the number of people who could live in the area was limited.
i like how you dont quite understand the relationship part of norway. its a harsh country, finding someone who has the same values is hard. starting a family is not somthing we take lightly, if someone dosent know if theyre even staying in the country more then 6 months then at best youll be a fuckfriend til you figure out your life. the thing about weather you own your appartment or not is the same thing. if you are settled and have created a life on your own, then its up to the other person to fit in. theres not alot of romance in norway, but it will be memorable when it happens. norwegians get theyre education and a job before anything else, thats the norm. thats the selfishness of norwegians, securing one self long term. the alcohol, yea i payed for my beers, its the beer i like, i used my money ofcourse im taking it home so i can enjoy the rest. this is just the trend from student days when we dont have alot of money. if you want my beer you ask if you can have some.
I am wondering how she lasted these 14 years.
Me too! She must have liked it
Jeg tenker at du må møte folk fra Bergen, Stavanger, Trondheim og Oslo, Tromsø.. Ålesund osv. Det er ulike kulturer på ulike steder.. + ikke glem Utdannelsesnivå....
@@gautearefjord ja... mer kostebilen mer klassetrine de er... er det det du mener?... mer utdannelse enda mer ræv på jobb???... da er det sant det du sier.
24:45 😂 "We haven't even kiss" French people. I love how quickly they get affectionate
I want to know more about Netherland culture please make a podcast about it You only made one before in this channel
As a Norwegian I would like to thank you for shitting on our way of life. Love that the best things about Norway bit is a really short part, then there is basicly "worst part" of Norway for the rest of the video :D But respect for staying as long as 14 years :p
Well Marina is focusing on the differences for the interview. It makes for a more engaging discussion. The author now has Norwegian citizenship, so obviously the differences aren't THAT bad.
But also profiting of the culture
@@Jallaballa2k why norwegians feel so offended when they hear the truth? Why that lack of common sense and arrogance?
Norway 🇳🇴 could be a wonderful place for a business partnership ❤
@@37tara Norway and the way norwegians work is not competitive at all with another european country. They come late at work, they work until early or they dont like to work....
I used to approched alcohole the Norwegian way , until i grew up and realized it's not healthy
Norway was a poor fihing and shipping nation until she found oil. Apart from the Oslo area (Østlandet) everything is by sea or ONE town areas. Norway only exist as independent since 1905.
Just like Iceland is very protective of her language Norway is a bit... about their food. Production of oil in Norway started 1971. 50 years ago. Swedes like me usually says going to Norway is like a time mahcine 10+ years ago or even more in smaller places. Sweden having an economical crisis in the 1990s and joining the EU changes Sweden a lot over time (comparing with Norway).
the whole video just emphasizes why Norway is not for them. but, yet, they decided to stay.
sick to the bone. :)
Norway offers many benefits and a high quality of life❤
Some love Norway without the norwegians.
Here is an example of my current conversation with a Norwegian man.
Me:
I believe you are someone who is a deep thinker, and someone who doesn’t take the relationships you do maintain for granted. I also get the feeling that when you do love someone you love with all that you have. Its also the same reason you avoid getting too close to anyone new.
Him:
Some of it is true😊
Me:
I think most of that is true, loving someone can be a huge responsibility as you have suggested in our past conversations.
25:08 This can also be a question in general. Are you planning to have children in your life or not.
Yes, I see that question as quite important. There is no point dating a person if they have an opposite opinion about children than your own. It is not if they want them today but sometime in the future.
Lorelou has the cutest laugh.❤
Having a community is getting lost now days in a lot of places worldwide
When you are going on a date it always good to ask questions like how long you are going to live here, where do you see yourself in five years and so on so the other person know were your head is at also so that other person knows if he or she wants to continue to see you or not
Going on dates are made with the end goal of protentional having that person you are seeing be your gf or bf because if that not the end goal then what the point on going on dates in the first place
Everyone should have a plan or somewhat know what they want in life because if you do not then what the heck are you doing then
Why should anyone be invested in a person if they do not align with the other person no matter what it is
Everyone should have the talk if you are seeing someone for a good period of time to know were both of y'all stand
You should know if y'all are bf and gf because if you do not know then you are probably not in a relationship
Just because you are dating someone does not mean you can't date other people at the same time because unless you are taken then you are free to do whatever you want
It good that people in Norway don't waste other people time and energy and they just go after what they want and are up front because life is not like a Disney movie
There is nothing wrong for a woman to go up to a man she likes because it does not make her any less of a person unless her intention are bad or she a bad person
I wish more women in the US would make the first move on men and be up front with men
The whole getting drunk to be able to talk to other people part I do not like
Waiting for 8 years is to long for me but I am sure she was waiting for him because probably he was an alpha male
When you are drunk/impaired things will happen that you probably will not remember
Men wanting women to be a responsible adult is understandable because that life as adult for both men and women in modern times
Being a stay-at-home mom aka tradwife should never be a bad thing or have a bad stigma attached to it
Why is it that nowdays having a blue collar job is look down upon
Makeup, tattoos and so on, on women is overrated and more women should be natural looking at all time
Teamwork is very important always no matter if it a relationship or not
All dating apps are lame
****Wow! Learned something new about a culture here.
I think the "Oh, that's very interesting..." is code for "What BS is this?!" Careful, your superiority complex is showing.
When I say "very interesting" I genuinely mean that. I loved her thoughts and never thought what she said was BS so how you go and label that superiority is beyond me.
What planet does she live on? I do not recognize the Norway she describes. Can it be imagined that it is her own lens and her fear of doing something wrong that has given her this impression of Norwegians?
Because Norway is a long country, and the culture in the various parts of the country is very different, as well as people moving around, Norwegians are used to different reaction patterns. I myself am from the north, and live furthest south. The culture in the two parts of the country is like night and day, which all Norwegians know, and we therefore expect different behavior from people from different parts of the country. Foreigners therefore need not be afraid of not fitting in. Norwegians can handle you being strange. The question is whether you yourself can cope with the fact that you are different from the people around you, and handle their reactions to you and your comments - or if you, like this woman, consider yourself superior because you come from cultured and distinguished France. I actually think the antipathy goes both ways. Norwegians in general have just as little feeling for the French as the French have for Norwegians.
How is is that every foreinger gets the points she makes, but the Norwegians do not agree?? Because as a fish you cannot "see" the water you are swimming in.... you're so immerged into your culture that you cannot see what is strange about it, until you spend a considerate time abroad.
I have lived in norway for 13 years, and I agree that people from north, west, south and east Norway differ, but they ar all still Norwegians with similar strange habits.
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If foreigners have problems with Norwegian culture, it is very easy for them - stay away. When in Rome - do as the Romans.
@@clairegroenink3362 And the strange habits are??? Any examples????
@@clairegroenink3362 I’m a foreigner and I certainly do not see neither did the ones that I travelled with
Quite interesting
They're extremely afraid of emotions and afraid of mistakes. Which is a non logical way of life, surprisingly. Because everythint is practice and part of it is mistakes. So theres a lot of mistakes in relationships/flirting, bad decisions with money, and other things that you only learn with experience.
Theyre growing up with a very infantile approach to things because theyre only mental, 0 experience
And the experience they could have they delete/forget/ignore, never develop. They'll be underdeveloped in many aspects, sadly.
Some people run on enotions. Emotionally weak, irrational people. You're the irrational, weak ones who let emotions rule you. You are insincere, superficial. It's how we Norwegians view you foreigners, including this French woman who does nothing but complain, yet she's still here.
Norway is one of the most advanced societies. The level of respect and forward thinking I have never seen elsewhere. The quality of life is very high. Nothing infantile about it.
@@MariaPanlong They are weird and lack of humanity..... period.
Som Normann skjønner jeg att mye har skjedd på 40 år , kjenner meg ikke helt i gjenn når det gjelder festing fra min ungdom 😮
Two women who have left their home countries talking shit about the countries that they have moved to. Mainly about Norway, but also about Sweden which the interviewer seems to know.
The French lady seems to think the French way of living is how it should be, so why on earth leave France, and why on earth get Norwegian citizenship ???
What she says about Norway... 😱 Being a Norwegian I don't recognize any of it... I hope her colleges and friends ( if she has any ) come across this so they know what kind of person they are dealing with...
I am English don’t understand what u are napping about. Where do u live in Norway? I have lived here for more than 50 years and have never seen or what u are japping about. And married for more than 50 with a Norwegian. Lots of thing I think u in France are eating and how u are living I would not talk so nasty about your people’s culture
This interviewee seems not to travel much. Sweetened white cheese also exists in Poland ( for example) "serek waniliowy" and empanadas de queso camarón are a thing in Chile--where mixing cheese with shellfish is done. She's quite ignorant.
Weird culture, I’d be annoyed.
Well I can see now why this man I have been talking to for almost 2 yrs is afraid to love me. I guess Im not at his level and its so heart breaking and sad. I don’t expect him to take care of me financially. Im not super athletic. Im a very open direct person. I have cried many tears over him because I know if he gave me a chance it could be a good thing, even if its not forever.
It is very interesting culture but a bit extreme. Like Americans can be the opposite extreme in anyway than the Norwegians. Unfortunately this culture stops including me many people to come over there.
The worst are the comments here that come from Norwegian people. More scary than the actual stereotypes about them. They seem to be fixeted about Norway almost to an indoctrinated, obsessed extends.
Why should Norwegians try to please people who don't like us and our way of living our lives? If you don't like what Norway has to offer, there is absolutely no reason for you to come. We can manage without you.
That’s clearly untrue, reading through the comments the Norwegians do not sound at all what you have written, a few merely point out the hypocrisy.
I like how straightforward the Norwegian are. Wasting time on emotions and sentimentamity is not a good foundation for growth and evolution.
straightfoward??????... they can talk for one hour and they are not even closed to make their point.
Wasting time on emotions and sentimentality'? That's what makes us humans. We are not robots...thankfully
44:27 There were public calls from health authorities to brake on the one night stands diring covid.
How were they proposing to do that?
@@toomuchinformation like most public policies in the country: just ask people to be reasonable. Incredibly, in Norway, it usually works.
helt sant alt , real todo
So daygame is not a thing there?
Sounds terrible, I'm never dating a Norwegian :D. I'd already heard Norway is the chlamydia capital of the world, but this podcast seals the deal :D
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Also, Lorelou is French and she lives in Norway
Just true .Even after 20 years. I never go to any party with them .just bad no kultur
getting drunk fast to forget about everything is so sad.
I can’t believe what I am hearing. I feeling sorry for you living in Norway for so long. You obviously hate it. If I was you I would clear off back to where you came from and stop insulting the Norwegian culture. I have lived in Norway for many years (50+) and the misinformation you are spreading I find personally insulting. 99% of what you are saying is plain rubbish so there is no chance I’ll buy your book - the thought of it revolts me. I hope you take this comment to heart.
Having watched many videos on nordic countries... Im glad i never visited 😂
We're glad you never visited too.
To each their own. I have visited Finland, Sweden and Norway. For me, Nordic countries are absolutely the best.
Jag vill leva och dö i Norden ❤
@@stormmaster108 The French lady hates Norwegian culture and yet she lives here. I'd rather have someone here who would respect our culture rather than look down on it like she does.
@Onnarashi Yes, I don't understand why people try so hard to live in countries where the culture is not really appealing to them, especially when they had already lived in a lot of places and liked those cultures more. (I mean, when they have options to choose)
Norwegians Stop identifying with your culture, the lesson here is, Norwegians don’t even like themselves being Norwegian…and have cut themselves off from their truth, authenticity, emotions. It makes you a bigger person to truly evolve, grow, mature, and expand your mind. Don’t go on French lady’s talk and tell her she’s wrong because she chose to see you for who you really are. Face the truth, grow up.
This feels very hyperbolic. I’m a Norwegian in my mid fifties, have worked in at least 7-8 companies during my work life. I’ve never had to bring my own lunch.
"Do you own your apartment?"
Congratulations. You're a dude 😂
It’s worse in Austria I heard, men are sexually confused as well as gender confused. They go for butch women over feminine
Culture shocks hitting the beta always happens
This makes me sad.
Vi er nok helt forferdelige...eller noe sånt.
Prøv arbeiderklassen i Østfold
Norwegian dating culture can be quite toxic. So better take it easy and tread carefully when dating…
Here is an example of my current conversation with a Norwegian man.
Me:
I believe you are someone who is a deep thinker, and someone who doesn’t take the relationships you do maintain for granted. I also get the feeling that when you do love someone you love with all that you have. Its also the same reason you avoid getting too close to anyone new.
Him:
Some of it is true😊
Me:
I think most of that is true, loving someone can be a huge responsibility as you have suggested in our past conversations.