Just wanted to say I am really grateful you're doing these (and comment for the algorithm), and that you started with trad. Something to bing watch several times when it gets warmer!
Im a beginner, and been taught to shoot the classical beginner closed stance. Now that lve passed my beginners course, before l shoot each end, l always begin by looking at my feet, and making sure they are parallel, shoulders down and relaxed, breathing steady and controlled, and my draw elbow slightly higher than my shoulder, and l am beginning to see more and more consistency in my arrow grouping. So seeing this (and your other videos) l feel as though l am on the right path. Thank you.
Thanks a lot! I'm getting into Asiatic archery, which is obviously not the same. Still, great to hear about some basic principles from someone who knows what he is talking about.
Thank you Jake. I appreciate your videos, including this one. I’m learning the Olympic recurve style. Im a seasoned compound shooter and competitor for the last 30+yrs. But learning Olympic recurve and my size(football player) and my alignment issue. I realized after practicing and doing my lesson, I dabbled with closed stance and was able to be in alignment better and my consistency down range is way better than with open stance. I was able to load the barrel easier and shot smoother with it 90° to the target. I’m a stickler for keeping form as perfect as possible. However, I know and understand ppls limitations and physicality. Thank you so much for your videos and willingness to share your wisdom and knowledge. 🙏🏽❤️
Myself and my family have just started archery. Loving these instructional videos am learning lots. Both my kids and myself are looking to go barebow while the wife prefers recurve. Just about to join a small club in the south of UK. Renting gear to start then seeing what happens
Shouldn't the "parallel to the target with your feet facing straight away from it at a 90 degree angle" be a "Square Stance instead? (Target) | | Square Stance (Target) \ | Open Stance (Target) | / Closed Stance
Thank you so much! Stance has been my nemesis! I am an intermediate archer and just started using a sight! I am left handed dominate would love to see a few videos to help us lefties. Thanks for your wonderful videos!
I also like standing with more weight on the balls of your feet for stability. Thanks for going over Basic Archery again I will forward these to or club members.
Great video and I really appreciate the basics. I'm an older shooter at 61 and a heavy weight lifter for decades. My bow shoulder does not like to open as much as it should and I spend a lot of time working to increase flexibility. Any basics you can pass along on improving flexibility for us old dudes would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jake
I'd really like to see a more in depth video on finger pressure on the string and how it affects where an arrow will hit on the target. More pressure on the ring finger vs index for example. Also is there any connection between draw elbow height and string finger pressure. Thanks for all your content.
Great video. Thank you. This is a slightly long question sorry. So I was shooting open stance following the Total Archery method but I was having a specific problem. When I rotated the upper body going from "set" to "set up" during the bow lifting stage, my hips did not stay over my feet, but instead rotated with the upper body and the "twist" happened in my legs. Once I became aware of this I had to include an extra step in my shot cycle where I corrected this and rotated my hips relative to my upper body so that they were back square over my feet again. This is such a waste of time and effort and brain power and very clunky when you're trying to smooth out a shot cycle. I have seen a trick to stop you from rotating your hips in the first place and to keep them independent of the upper body turn, in fact, I think maybe it was a video of yours, where the idea is to push your feet out and the hips will stay still while the upper body rotates. Yes, this pretty much works, but I found this so difficult and such a drain on my brain that it was ruining the shot cycle from then on. So, finally, my question is what does open stance REALLY give you and is it worth all this mucking around to achieve it? My second question is can I shoot open stance but rotate the hips with the upper body so they are not square with the feet, the twist occurring in the legs, or is this just defeating the whole purpose of loading the core muscles and leading to more instability? My gut feeling is that maybe for barebow this is one of those finesse steps from KSL which you can ditch as it causes more problems than it solves. I'm guessing for you, who trained with KSL from the git go, the independent him and torso twist is not an issue. But I feel for me at least there may be bigger fish to fry in the shot cycle. Whew, sorry, long question. Oh, one final point, I play a lot of tennis and hit with an open stance, loading the core and uncoiling for power, so flexibility and core strength is not the issue here. It just seems to be a mental/coordination thing where my torso doesn't want to move independent of my hips, like a rub your tummy pat your head thing.
I shoot a fairly open stance. But I find that when I get tired from lots of arrows and have trouble getting through the clicker, closing off my stance somewhat helps me get through the clicker.
Another good video. I would like some more content about your coaching approach with archers, what do you target first, do you use video slow motion, how do you stop younger archers (especially boys) from increasing poundage to quickly. Thank you.
Yes he mentions three at about 1:20. Almost no one uses what we would call a closed stance. Ksl cycle seems to only recognise two stances 🤷. Maybe Im wrong, if so it wont be long until Im corrected
I’ve only seen one person use what some call a closed stance. From the beginning of my archery experience, square and closed meant the name thing. At least it did where I grew up.
I first want to congratulate you on really cool and useful content you are making. I have been self teaching myself archery for more than a year now and I follow your content among other. I naturally started to use the open stance, however it makes my followup of the string arm slightly awkward because of mobility of my shoulder. Though it feels more natural to use the open stance I will try to experiment with the closed one following your video.
I would love an overview of the learning process from complete beginner onward. I decided to learn the KSL Cycle on a trad bow as a way to perfect the basic technique first. I also chose not to focus on aiming at all for the first 6 months. My approach was to focus on each of the steps in the cycle one at a time. Once I could correctly perform one step in the cycle I would move on to the next. Only after I could finally perform the release and follow through did I start to look at where my arrows were hitting. This is a process that I made up to teach myself. I would love to hear your advice on where to start and how to know when to move on to the next component.
Being an ex competition pistol shooter, I have people saying my feet are too far apart. I stand with my feet approx just wider than shoulder width apart.
Jake, I have a problem. I shoot with glasses that distort where the target is in a closed stance. If I open my stance I can twist my head far enough to get more correct target location on my glasses but lose alignment. Any suggestions would be most appreciated by yourself or any other archers with this problem. 😢
I feel that the open stance introduces another variability in the degree of "twist" around the core to gain alignment that I couldn't control or get the knack of. A parallel stance (like riding a horse) is simple and effective and easy to reproduce...at least for an intermediate like me.
I have seen where the archer turned the opposite way of the target. Kind of what you explained, their feet were opened toward the back from the shooting line and their bow went across their body. I see this and thought that has to be uncomfortable to shoot like that. I am now thinking it may not actually be that bad, considering stability with the bow and the environment. Are there tournaments that require you to shoot open or closed stance?
I just recently tried the closed stance (the one that is not neutral, but faces away from the target) and it helped me a LOT with my problems I've been fighting with for quite some time, so... I might stick to it for now. It turned out to be quite comfy for me. As for the tournaments - I'm my country they have no right to require a particular stance from you, and we mostly obey the world archery rules, so... I don't think they can dictate this?
I know an old guy,who shot traditional archery,way longer than my 45th bowseason and he had just read one of Bill Asbell's books,so he was practicing this drawing technique in his living room aiming at the bird feeder outside. Well to make a long story short, he went ahead and released... Boom! No more picture window,in January. He said his wife ran into the room chewing his butt every step. He was 86 years old.. Sorry John..had to tell someone! RIP ol' friend.
Jake, do you think you will take that longbow out for some hunting? I love your channel and I'm definitely not one of these jokers that come on here to tell you what "real" archery is. It would be cool to watch your journey go full circle. But it's cool if it doesn't interest you also!
Would you ever consider compound? I picked one up to learn to hunt with my step father because he said they're more ethical, but coming from recurve a lot of the advice I've been given for compound seems to conflict with recurve, such as being told to move my head forward to the peep sight where in recurve we maintain a static head position. Is that right or is there just a lot of bad form advice among compound shooters?
Hey, my coach suggested I watch George Ryals' ATA Seminar 2023 yt video bc he talks about stance for both compound and recurve. Personally I'm recurve but he gave a ton tips for both and focused a lot on compound. Happy shooting!
@@Danny-el8ww You’ll learn a lot about archery in general through recurve… Jake mentioned in one of his videos, the same form you use for recurve is the same form used in compound… That being said, do maintain the “static head” and bring the peep to it, to maintain consistency. You might want to watch “Chris Bee’s “ videos as well as GRIVs. 😎
@@phantomcruizer okay! yeah I already shoot recurve, I've just gotten the compound and at least for the people around me the advice ive been given seems counterintuitive to how I shoot recurve. When I bring the peep to my eye instead of moving my head i notice im getting a bit more bend in my bow arm than I'd like. is that a sign to increase the draw length on the bow do you think?
@@Danny-el8ww The first thing anyone should do when it comes to compound bows is get your draw length measured as accurately as possible. The next thing is to determine how much draw weight you can safely handle (start low, necessary to build up a consistent form). Build up draw weight later after you obtain a level of form consistency. 😎
Great series, no matter how long a person has been shooting, you can't beat the basics.
Just wanted to say I am really grateful you're doing these (and comment for the algorithm), and that you started with trad. Something to bing watch several times when it gets warmer!
Definitely liking this series of videos! Very straight to the point, and clear
Agreed - very helpful!
Same. This fundamentals series is great. Would you do one on plunger adjustment, or did I just miss one?
Haven’t gotten there yet.
One additional benefit for me using a more open stance is the better "clearance" while wearing some slightly baggy/puffy clothing
Thank you, It’s hard finding good Archery content. You have a good way of explaining everything.
Im a beginner, and been taught to shoot the classical beginner closed stance. Now that lve passed my beginners course, before l shoot each end, l always begin by looking at my feet, and making sure they are parallel, shoulders down and relaxed, breathing steady and controlled, and my draw elbow slightly higher than my shoulder, and l am beginning to see more and more consistency in my arrow grouping.
So seeing this (and your other videos) l feel as though l am on the right path. Thank you.
I love these quick tips basics videos. I recommend this channel to every recurve and trad shooter who's serious about improving!
I liked your explanation of core muscle involvement with open stance and the trade offs with comfort. Explains why I like closed lol.
Thanks a lot! I'm getting into Asiatic archery, which is obviously not the same. Still, great to hear about some basic principles from someone who knows what he is talking about.
Thank you Jake. I appreciate your videos, including this one. I’m learning the Olympic recurve style. Im a seasoned compound shooter and competitor for the last 30+yrs. But learning Olympic recurve and my size(football player) and my alignment issue. I realized after practicing and doing my lesson, I dabbled with closed stance and was able to be in alignment better and my consistency down range is way better than with open stance.
I was able to load the barrel easier and shot smoother with it 90° to the target.
I’m a stickler for keeping form as perfect as possible. However, I know and understand ppls limitations and physicality. Thank you so much for your videos and willingness to share your wisdom and knowledge. 🙏🏽❤️
Thank you so much. As a beginner you are a life line and I am improving thank to your detailed run through. I’m shooting bare bow.
Myself and my family have just started archery. Loving these instructional videos am learning lots. Both my kids and myself are looking to go barebow while the wife prefers recurve. Just about to join a small club in the south of UK. Renting gear to start then seeing what happens
Shouldn't the "parallel to the target with your feet facing straight away from it at a 90 degree angle" be a "Square Stance instead?
(Target) | | Square Stance
(Target) \ | Open Stance
(Target) | / Closed Stance
Yep!
Big fan, especially about the new intro, much better! :)
Thank you so much! Stance has been my nemesis! I am an intermediate archer and just started using a sight! I am left handed dominate would love to see a few videos to help us lefties. Thanks for your wonderful videos!
I also like standing with more weight on the balls of your feet for stability. Thanks for going over Basic Archery again I will forward these to or club members.
Great video and I really appreciate the basics. I'm an older shooter at 61 and a heavy weight lifter for decades. My bow shoulder does not like to open as much as it should and I spend a lot of time working to increase flexibility. Any basics you can pass along on improving flexibility for us old dudes would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jake
thanks...clear and straight to the point
Jaaaaake sticking with the trad bow I see! Welcome to the gang
I'd really like to see a more in depth video on finger pressure on the string and how it affects where an arrow will hit on the target. More pressure on the ring finger vs index for example. Also is there any connection between draw elbow height and string finger pressure. Thanks for all your content.
Great video! Can you explain to the viewer about the fundamentals of gap shooting . I use this form of shooting all the time . Thanks
Love the quiver!
Great video. Thank you. This is a slightly long question sorry. So I was shooting open stance following the Total Archery method but I was having a specific problem. When I rotated the upper body going from "set" to "set up" during the bow lifting stage, my hips did not stay over my feet, but instead rotated with the upper body and the "twist" happened in my legs. Once I became aware of this I had to include an extra step in my shot cycle where I corrected this and rotated my hips relative to my upper body so that they were back square over my feet again. This is such a waste of time and effort and brain power and very clunky when you're trying to smooth out a shot cycle. I have seen a trick to stop you from rotating your hips in the first place and to keep them independent of the upper body turn, in fact, I think maybe it was a video of yours, where the idea is to push your feet out and the hips will stay still while the upper body rotates. Yes, this pretty much works, but I found this so difficult and such a drain on my brain that it was ruining the shot cycle from then on. So, finally, my question is what does open stance REALLY give you and is it worth all this mucking around to achieve it? My second question is can I shoot open stance but rotate the hips with the upper body so they are not square with the feet, the twist occurring in the legs, or is this just defeating the whole purpose of loading the core muscles and leading to more instability? My gut feeling is that maybe for barebow this is one of those finesse steps from KSL which you can ditch as it causes more problems than it solves. I'm guessing for you, who trained with KSL from the git go, the independent him and torso twist is not an issue. But I feel for me at least there may be bigger fish to fry in the shot cycle. Whew, sorry, long question. Oh, one final point, I play a lot of tennis and hit with an open stance, loading the core and uncoiling for power, so flexibility and core strength is not the issue here. It just seems to be a mental/coordination thing where my torso doesn't want to move independent of my hips, like a rub your tummy pat your head thing.
Those arrows are so cool.
I shoot a fairly open stance. But I find that when I get tired from lots of arrows and have trouble getting through the clicker, closing off my stance somewhat helps me get through the clicker.
Much better format! keep it up :)
Another good video. I would like some more content about your coaching approach with archers, what do you target first, do you use video slow motion, how do you stop younger archers (especially boys) from increasing poundage to quickly. Thank you.
Great helpful video. Thanks Jake.
great vid, as always. Always a pleasure to see tips and advice from such a good archer
I always thought that there were 3 stances. Closed, neutral/square and open.
Yes he mentions three at about 1:20. Almost no one uses what we would call a closed stance. Ksl cycle seems to only recognise two stances 🤷. Maybe Im wrong, if so it wont be long until Im corrected
I’ve only seen one person use what some call a closed stance.
From the beginning of my archery experience, square and closed meant the name thing. At least it did where I grew up.
@FAZIK, I agree. The three stances are often referenced in baseball and golf.
Lesser-known lady recurve archer of the late 80s early 90s, N Cherry used the buffalo stance.
@@typhoon2827 you should be reported for that 😆🤣🤣
It's nice to see you with a longbow. Will you speak about split finger techniques ?
Thank you for sharing. 😊
I can't figure out the both eyes open with bow and arrow. That's my question. Seems to work fine closing one eye but people say it is wrong.
I first want to congratulate you on really cool and useful content you are making. I have been self teaching myself archery for more than a year now and I follow your content among other.
I naturally started to use the open stance, however it makes my followup of the string arm slightly awkward because of mobility of my shoulder. Though it feels more natural to use the open stance I will try to experiment with the closed one following your video.
Thanks! How can I avoid the rope hitting my arm or the safearmlet?
I would love an overview of the learning process from complete beginner onward. I decided to learn the KSL Cycle on a trad bow as a way to perfect the basic technique first. I also chose not to focus on aiming at all for the first 6 months. My approach was to focus on each of the steps in the cycle one at a time. Once I could correctly perform one step in the cycle I would move on to the next. Only after I could finally perform the release and follow through did I start to look at where my arrows were hitting.
This is a process that I made up to teach myself. I would love to hear your advice on where to start and how to know when to move on to the next component.
Being an ex competition pistol shooter, I have people saying my feet are too far apart. I stand with my feet approx just wider than shoulder width apart.
That’s ideal.
Is there difference toes straight ahead or toes in a L shape
Toes should pretty much always be straight ahead, even in every day life.
What gear are you using in this video. I am really interested i. That quiver/hip-pack.
What do you prefer Jake for your traditional bow, any thoughts yet?
great video! thank u!
Please make a video on takedown long bow and how to shoot it at 60 m distance
Jake, I have a problem. I shoot with glasses that distort where the target is in a closed stance. If I open my stance I can twist my head far enough to get more correct target location on my glasses but lose alignment. Any suggestions would be most appreciated by yourself or any other archers with this problem. 😢
I find my string hits my arm less with a more open stance
I feel that the open stance introduces another variability in the degree of "twist" around the core to gain alignment that I couldn't control or get the knack of. A parallel stance (like riding a horse) is simple and effective and easy to reproduce...at least for an intermediate like me.
I have seen where the archer turned the opposite way of the target. Kind of what you explained, their feet were opened toward the back from the shooting line and their bow went across their body. I see this and thought that has to be uncomfortable to shoot like that. I am now thinking it may not actually be that bad, considering stability with the bow and the environment. Are there tournaments that require you to shoot open or closed stance?
I just recently tried the closed stance (the one that is not neutral, but faces away from the target) and it helped me a LOT with my problems I've been fighting with for quite some time, so... I might stick to it for now. It turned out to be quite comfy for me.
As for the tournaments - I'm my country they have no right to require a particular stance from you, and we mostly obey the world archery rules, so... I don't think they can dictate this?
Good video
Release/FollowThru would be beneficial to a lot of archers (myself included)
I know an old guy,who shot traditional archery,way longer than my 45th bowseason and he had just read one of Bill Asbell's books,so he was practicing this drawing technique in his living room aiming at the bird feeder outside.
Well to make a long story short, he went ahead and released...
Boom! No more picture window,in January. He said his wife ran into the room chewing his butt every step. He was 86 years old..
Sorry John..had to tell someone!
RIP ol' friend.
❤
You,of all people,should be using a tab!
Jake, do you think you will take that longbow out for some hunting? I love your channel and I'm definitely not one of these jokers that come on here to tell you what "real" archery is. It would be cool to watch your journey go full circle. But it's cool if it doesn't interest you also!
its not a closed stance its a square stance used by most KOREAN ARCHERS
Square=Closed generally speaking.
Would you ever consider compound? I picked one up to learn to hunt with my step father because he said they're more ethical, but coming from recurve a lot of the advice I've been given for compound seems to conflict with recurve, such as being told to move my head forward to the peep sight where in recurve we maintain a static head position. Is that right or is there just a lot of bad form advice among compound shooters?
Hey, my coach suggested I watch George Ryals' ATA Seminar 2023 yt video bc he talks about stance for both compound and recurve.
Personally I'm recurve but he gave a ton tips for both and focused a lot on compound. Happy shooting!
@@PlayerXIII Oh sweet! ty!
@@Danny-el8ww You’ll learn a lot about archery in general through recurve…
Jake mentioned in one of his videos, the same form you use for recurve is the same form used in compound…
That being said, do maintain the “static head” and bring the peep to it, to maintain consistency.
You might want to watch “Chris Bee’s “ videos as well as GRIVs. 😎
@@phantomcruizer okay! yeah I already shoot recurve, I've just gotten the compound and at least for the people around me the advice ive been given seems counterintuitive to how I shoot recurve. When I bring the peep to my eye instead of moving my head i notice im getting a bit more bend in my bow arm than I'd like. is that a sign to increase the draw length on the bow do you think?
@@Danny-el8ww The first thing anyone should do when it comes to compound bows is get your draw length measured as accurately as possible.
The next thing is to determine how much draw weight you can safely handle (start low, necessary to build up a consistent form).
Build up draw weight later after you obtain a level of form consistency. 😎