Waking Dream - Ivan's Childhood
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Ivan's Childhood, from 1962, offers a glimpse of the life of an orphaned boy-soldier. As well as featuring convincing performances and sumptuous photography, it offers lots of surreal, dreamlike moments. One of these moments isn't a dream, it is only dreamlike - something I think is difficult to achieve without cliche. This scene, or really just the first part of it, feels a little bit like much of Tarkovsky's later work, Stalker.
Here this particular tone is effective perhaps because of its rarity, but more so thematically.
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I would pay good money to watch you go into depth on Stalker.
Zerkalo/Mirror is better.
Stalker is such pretentious bullshit
Shnake Plisken How so?
@@louisburke8927 The movie had to be vague for it not to get censored by the Soviet regime. There is a lot of meaning there, but it's hidden in the subtext.
I know it is kind of off topic but does anyone know of a good place to stream newly released movies online?
Wow, not sure if it was meant to be captured this way, but, even the chicken looks like it has a longing sorrow, as the man closes the door.
Circumstance has forced the man to bring the chicken into his home lest it wander off; it's a pointless endeavour, as the chicken can probably still leave the "home" through gaps in the rubble. The last life surrounding him could just as easily and quickly disappear.
Can Hiptang uplift me after the Englishman in the closet depressed me?
I think this is hands down the most accessible film of Tarkovsky for a mainstream audience. Also, despite showing war on a much lesser scale than, say, Come and See, it is far more subtle and effective in it.
It's about the only one where he attempts to tell a linear story. If that is the right phrase. His films are usually beautiful, but good grief, he could have done a bit more editing sometimes.
@@anonb4632 absolutely. It is clear that the further Tarkovsky went from his student years, the more non-conventional his narrative and editing style became. I recommend you watching his student works here on YT. There are 3 shorts: There Will be No Leave Today, The Killers, The Steamroller and the Violin. The first one is not particularly remarkable, however, the other two both have certain charm. The Killers is an adaptation of Hemingway and has a very 40s noir look and feel to it. Though, if I remember correctly, it has a blackface in one scene, so be prepared for that. The Steamroller and the Violin is a lovely homage to Le Ballon Rouge by Albert Lamorisse and is worth watching since it has many trademarks of future Tarkovsky films (and, you know, it's not as depressing).
@@ludilka I've seen clips from some of these. One of them was of a group of students discussing potatoes!
I only know Tarkovsky from Ivan onwards. I see him as very weak on narrative, possibly even character, but very strong on the visual image and creating emotion. It's a fault he shares with Kubrick, although I like them both. I wonder if the two of them were autistic, since there is anal attention to detail in sight and sound, but the interpersonal relationships aren't always as well developed as they could be. When I see relationships in Tarkovsky's later films they are usually quite clingy and involve family or grief.
@@anonb4632 I guess, talented visual directors inevitably tend to gravitate towards more subjective and less cohesive stuff, reflect endlessly upon their personal life (like Tarkovsky's Mirror).
@@ludilka Mirror is his best film in my opinion (although as a science fiction fan, I've always had a soft spot for Solaris. I also came across it at an appropriate time in my life).
1:14 I don’t know why, but that shot was breathtaking to me.
If you've been good this year, Santa will put a ladleful of hiptang in your stocking
Yeah but... WHICH Fergie?
The tractor.
Alex Ferguson
Those scenes looked beautiful shot. The jaggedness and ominous sets remind me of The Cabinet of Dr Caligari.
Tarkovsky! What a gun. Everything he did was brilliant. Love it. Good choice.
His films are beautiful, but sometimes he can be very dull. I love Solaris, but I always fast forward through that car driving scene. Tarkovsky himself said he put it in to get the idiots out of the theatre. He could be a snob sometimes.
@@anonb4632 I don't mind a bit of selfishness in my directors and comedians.
@@MrMaxcorbel I don't think it always plays well in Tarkovsky. At times I love his work, and at other times I find it frustrating and pretentious. He was truly gifted but I wonder about his empathy at times.
Thank you for discussing true film art and not superheroes and bullshit like most people on youtube.
Hiptang spelled backwards is Gnatpih, the Greek god of Hiptang. This is loosely based on the earlier Japanese writings Hi-Ptang the Lesser.
Many people believe that Gnatpih was the Babylonian goddess of fertility. You know, the one with the head of an Ibis. In fact, the Babylonians inherited the worship of Egyptian goddess n'an takht'un and merged it with one of her daughters; the bird-headed river God Gliph'ting, who brings rain from the heavens and causes the Nile to overflow with her muddy nutriment. These are the origins of the old Aramaic/Syriac hif-ting so cleverly referenced by the elderly gentleman in the advert. Internal documents have been unearthed, revealing that, during the 1960s, hif-ting marketeers were seeking to move away from the classical nourishing image toward a "younger, fresher vibe for the hip and funky youth of today", giving us hip-tang. They never did recapture the market share lost to coca cola during the "Santa Wars" of the preceding decade. However, unlike coca cola, their low key presence and rather niche customer base did enable them to keep using the secret ingredient.
This madness has been going on long enough, I cant take it any more!!
@@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321 I appreciate your wisdom. Merry Hiptang!
Hoping for a Hiptang cameo in the film
I've not seen this film. It seems like an earlier 'Come and See', which I have seen. It amazes me, how films of that ilk manage to be so beautiful while being so distressing. I guess there's something about overwhelming abject misery and crushing despair that transcends the mundane. Perhaps the only way our minds can process such things is by framing them as something divine?
The Come and See comparisons are inevitable but personally I thought it was much less brutal. (At least in a physical sense.)
Hey, you British?
Picked up my Christmas Hiptang from Woolworths yesterday!
Okay going to ask about the Hiptang. Is it a reference to Philip K. Dick's Ubik chapter openings???
“Instant Ubik has all the fresh flavor of just-brewed drip coffee. Your husband will say, Christ, Sally, I used to think your coffee was only so-so. But now, wow! Safe when taken as directed.”
Maxwell House inspired?
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Ubik is the closest to being high I've got just from reading a book
.......... HIPTANG!!!!!
I'm just commenting hoping to see if someone explains this Hiptang phenomenon lol.
@@csours
Ok, you did peak my curiosity...
This movie and Come and See have such an awesome contrast.
I think GRS has made this meme for nefarious reasons, like a micro-cult to serve his own needs.
A non believer walks amongst us!
quick quick, drink the hiptang, drink the hiptang
they'll be here with flamethrowers...
drink drink!
Tarkovsky was a brilliant visual filmmaker. And he did it without huge budgets. Just using the most basic things.
Actually he did get decent budgets - or at least some of the best budgets one could get in the Soviet Union. These were a lot more than your average amateur/indy-film-maker-starting-out can afford but less than a Hollywood one. Also, since he was state funded, he was ironically able to do a lot of things commercial directors couldn't
Holy crap, soviet film making is so good.
Some of it was, a lot of it was not. We remember the classics and forgot a vast body of work, done by mediocre people to please the party leadership. And then don't even touch the Stalin's era cinema, with some exceptions its ideology is so thick and alien it just seems bizzare even for the russians.
Is he seriously going to talk about Gone With The Wind tomorrow?
I LOVE A Dream like Quality
I'd be quite interested to see you do a video on the bell casting scene in Andrei Rublev
Up past five too, GRS? Denky.
I think he would enjoy this film. You probably would too:
ua-cam.com/video/XM5A4ETW_Io/v-deo.html
tomorrow...er...99 Homes. The wonderful thing about your essays is the opportunity to hunt for films that are hidden gems. Thanks
Not first
Ditto
It's the Hiptang®. Thanks.
Is that Damien in the hiptang advert?
О, вот так кино, удачный выбор. Только о чём пойдёт речь? Сейчас посмотрим.
--that'll be the Хиптань.
@@billbillings913 Это Гипьтанг!
Ну что, понял, о чем?
@@nexusi6867 о довольно маленькой сцене и ощущениях автора о ней, мдэ речь идёт небольшая такскажем, да и хронометраж ролика как бы намекает.
Nice moral here. THx for that
Did I hear dr zaius?
This was the weirdest episode of Tom and Jerry
I love this film!
Georg, what is the music played during the Hiptang advert? The part with the strange smiling man. Its driving me insane
I don´t get the hiptang bits, its like lost in translation or something cultural?
That'll be the hiptang.
It makes no sense. That's the joke.
It's a sponsorship
@@charliedawson4877 it would have to be funny to be a joke
@@LtSprinkulz Jokes don't have to be funny, they have to be intended to funny. I don't mind the Hiptang bits, I find them mildly amusing but they're not my main reason for watching
georg, when are we going to be able to see the movie you were going to make?.
Georg is like Hanukkah but longer. Must be the Hiptang
I'll give you props for making the sureal real.
Did you ever make that film you raised money for?
Which Fergie?
The singer or Sarah Ferguson?
Maybe the former Manchester United football manager- Sir Alex of Ferguson first of his name -
"You won't win anything with kids...", they said...
It's the tractor.
"A view into someone elses tradjedy"
I HAVE to watch this movie now.
What can we the audience do to get you to come out of the closet?
beautiful scene - what a great film.
why are u still in the closet? 🤣🤣
Never has an ad so successfully gotten me to despise a product quite like hiptangs.
Not sure why, but I genuinely find the ads schtick really obnoxious.
You understand it isn’t an ad don’t you?
Gone with the wind tomorrow?
It looks amazing.
Stalker was such a disappointment. For the entire movie they talk about how dangerous the zone is, yet there's not a single scene where the audience is shown an example of it being dangerous.
and the implication is that it might not be
@@todgast yep the roadside picnic is nothing like the movie much less ambiguous, as much as I love the adaptation you can still make the roadside picnic movie without treading on Stalker
Isn’t that the beauty of it? Is it even real? Does the zone really exist? Stalker has a faith in the zone and truly believes it, but do the others.
thanks
So, is it Ivan, or Aivan?
It's iVan, Apple's brand new product.
I'm going to miss this series when he's done with it.
Its a yearly tradition by now. I look forward to it.
if I never hear hiptang again it'll be too soon. good riddance I says.
Also, potato.
That'll be the Hiptang.
I can’t wait until he does Manos the hands of fate.
He took a stab at it in his video "What Makes A Movie So Bad It's Good?"
I tried to be 1st...but that position has escaped me once again. Like many before, I'll just blame the Hiptang.
I'd like to buy some Hiptang please
Hiptang!! My favourite meal. Or is it a drink? I'm confused.
Good thing he never took the Lava Lamp inside the wardrobe or he'll be caught peeping.
I've been struggling with existential dread lately, what with the cognitive dissonance of the holidays and literally everything else around them. This series is something I look forward to, having someone examine obscure films I haven't had the chance to see yet (or better yet nitpick ones I have seen) makes my day. Thanks for bulking up my watch list and giving me something to think about other than "Oh God who/how/what/when/where/why/how now?"
Killian I would recommend reading Alan Watts he helps me cope with my existential dread and depression. He has ruminated on the meaning of life, death and everything in between. Plenty of his videos on youtube. I hope you will be okay.
Maybe give the likes of Alan Watts a go actually. I'm not saying he's the answer to your problems, but that kind of stuff is interesting if you ask me ^^ There's plenty of lectures and conversations from curious people discussing curious ideas, and at the very least it's something else to think about ;) Personally I haven't emotionally felt the weight of existential dread, but I have thought about the kinds of things that are frequently associated with it. Mind if I ask what kind of things have triggered it?
So, anybody saw The Witcher?
I'm sorry, let me try that again: I tried to be 1st, but that position has escaped me once again. Like many times before, I'll just blame the Hiptang. By the way, Mr Tomato-Head is watching you...(.*.)...as is Mr Fringe...(.".)...see? Merry Christmas, you lovely people.
This was the beginning of cheeki breeki.
I want a case of hiptang.
Is this a real product or just a parody? What's it supposed to be? A drink?
@@EbonyPope it's Hiptang
Please note. The resale of previously purchased Hiptang It is illegal in all states excluding Vaginia.
@@EbonyPope guess
@@EbonyPope I have been taking it by mouth and it's just as effective!