Give us a part 3!! The 3 of you have GREAT chemistry! I love how you guys manage to add some levity on such a sad, horrific, abusive topic. Joe needs to be interviewed in Shelise’s Cults to Consciousness channel
There's such an overlap between high control groups and being abused by a narcissistic person. The difference is that the people in high control groups get confirmation that they're doing the right thing and gaslights the victim that it's normal to be raised that way. I think it's harder to escape entirely from a group physically and mentally than an individual person. Not that both don't do severe damage, but there is a big difference in finding normalcy again. If that's even possible.
43:32 - rage baiting is a PERFECT label for Faux News and other things like Holly’s “documentary.” And I love how Joe says we need to train and condition ourselves to not fall victim to rage baiting. He needs to go out and train people on avoiding rage baiting from Faux News and Holly “documentaries.”
I’m 73 as a child when I would get a wooden paddle with a elastic with a small rubber ball attached, when it would break the paddle was used to spank. I was fortunate to have great parents and had a good childhood in spite of that paddle.
Thank you guys so much for coming out and telling your stories. I was not raised fundamentalist. I have one younger brother and my mom took us to the Methodist Church until I was ten. I got involved in a fundamentalist church at the age of 25. Everybody was all about going to the Bill Gothard seminars. I only attended that church for about five months before being run off by the unkindness of the pastor’s wife. I only went to one (1) Bill Gothard seminar. But I had no idea how much I had internalized his toxic teachings until finding your videos. Thank you so much.
Great dialog on the abuse of substances. It's so easy to shift to high control substances from high control groups. I think life balance is often never talked about. Another thing I noticed were eating disorders. Disguised as "fasting" I saw several yoyo dieting techniques that bread to friends with eating disorders. I didn't lean life balance during the indoctrination.
Team Lindsey regarding the view on corporal punishment. I think more females come to that opinion than dudes because entering a relationship is super confusing then getting hit by a partner who is bigger than you. Freezing in response to another human expressing anger is not a good thing but can be a result. I think getting hit in the face was the worst though. I really appreciated the conversation about emotional relationships with family members, I realized fairly recently that I was never taught any skills for expressing my emotions as a child which I am suspecting the same for many of these branches of religion. Also, appreciate the humorous approach yall use when discussing these things.
Great conversation, thanks everyone! It really is fascinating how similar our different high control religions/cults were & their effects & that we were all raised to believe that "the other" religions were at best "mislead" & at worst evil. I've said this before, but my mother's Southern Baptist teachings lead me to believe as a child that Catholics were wrong, Satanists were wrong, Mormons were wrong, Methodists, etc. So naturally, as a child, without any other input on the topic, I grew up equally terrified of every other religion. Somewhere in my pre-teens I started wondering how it could possibly be true that out of all the religions in the world, the one that "got it right" just happened to be the one we belonged to in our tiny town in the middle of Kansas, USA. Of course my mother's answer was that God expected us to share what we knew with the rest of the world. So then I was terrified that the fate of the world, essentially whether everyone someday ascended to heaven or burned in Hell for eternity, was dependent on whether I was a good enough "witness." This in addition to being terrified of accidentally missing heaven's trumpet call summoning the righteous in the rapture, because I'm a kid & probably forgot to ask forgiveness for something. (When you're a kid there seems to be no end to the ways you can screw up on a daily basis.) And this was just the everyday run of the mill psychological terror, before the physical trauma & abuse started later. Thanks religion!
Aw. I do love your guests; Chad, Lindsey, and cohostBrice are my favorites - I love them as much as you. 😊 Great job providing a safe space for people who need it. Did your cults charge for services like scientology did (still does) or was it more like a catholic church where they pass a basket around and donations are optional/any amount?
oh shit, RLDS has missionaries?? i would lLOVE to hear about that. does every member get that chance? or is it in proximity to the leadership, since it was mentioned Joe's dad was a pastor? very interesting. I was never Mormon or extremely religious growing up. Just in the past few years I have gained an unquenchable thirst for ex religious/cult media. Mormonism has been one of my favorites (least favorites?)
Give us a part 3!! The 3 of you have GREAT chemistry! I love how you guys manage to add some levity on such a sad, horrific, abusive topic. Joe needs to be interviewed in Shelise’s Cults to Consciousness channel
Joe is such a great speaker and has a megaton of charisma!
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
🙏🏻🙏🏻❤️❤️
I missed the live but a happy #replaycrew watcher and Davey- I love your guests BUT I love YOU more
Another Great conversation! 💕
There's such an overlap between high control groups and being abused by a narcissistic person. The difference is that the people in high control groups get confirmation that they're doing the right thing and gaslights the victim that it's normal to be raised that way. I think it's harder to escape entirely from a group physically and mentally than an individual person. Not that both don't do severe damage, but there is a big difference in finding normalcy again. If that's even possible.
Really enjoyed this live. Thanks for sharing your story Joe.
Thank you for this very touching and entertaining episode.
🙏🏻❤️
43:32 - rage baiting is a PERFECT label for Faux News and other things like Holly’s “documentary.” And I love how Joe says we need to train and condition ourselves to not fall victim to rage baiting. He needs to go out and train people on avoiding rage baiting from Faux News and Holly “documentaries.”
I’m 73 as a child when I would get a wooden paddle with a elastic with a small rubber ball attached, when it would break the paddle was used to spank. I was fortunate to have great parents and had a good childhood in spite of that paddle.
Thank you guys so much for coming out and telling your stories. I was not raised fundamentalist. I have one younger brother and my mom took us to the Methodist Church until I was ten.
I got involved in a fundamentalist church at the age of 25. Everybody was all about going to the Bill Gothard seminars. I only attended that church for about five months before being run off by the unkindness of the pastor’s wife.
I only went to one (1) Bill Gothard seminar. But I had no idea how much I had internalized his toxic teachings until finding your videos.
Thank you so much.
Sorry I missed the live! ❤❤❤
Great dialog on the abuse of substances. It's so easy to shift to high control substances from high control groups. I think life balance is often never talked about. Another thing I noticed were eating disorders. Disguised as "fasting" I saw several yoyo dieting techniques that bread to friends with eating disorders. I didn't lean life balance during the indoctrination.
Team Lindsey regarding the view on corporal punishment. I think more females come to that opinion than dudes because entering a relationship is super confusing then getting hit by a partner who is bigger than you. Freezing in response to another human expressing anger is not a good thing but can be a result. I think getting hit in the face was the worst though.
I really appreciated the conversation about emotional relationships with family members, I realized fairly recently that I was never taught any skills for expressing my emotions as a child which I am suspecting the same for many of these branches of religion.
Also, appreciate the humorous approach yall use when discussing these things.
Great conversation, thanks everyone!
It really is fascinating how similar our different high control religions/cults were & their effects & that we were all raised to believe that "the other" religions were at best "mislead" & at worst evil.
I've said this before, but my mother's Southern Baptist teachings lead me to believe as a child that Catholics were wrong, Satanists were wrong, Mormons were wrong, Methodists, etc. So naturally, as a child, without any other input on the topic, I grew up equally terrified of every other religion.
Somewhere in my pre-teens I started wondering how it could possibly be true that out of all the religions in the world, the one that "got it right" just happened to be the one we belonged to in our tiny town in the middle of Kansas, USA. Of course my mother's answer was that God expected us to share what we knew with the rest of the world. So then I was terrified that the fate of the world, essentially whether everyone someday ascended to heaven or burned in Hell for eternity, was dependent on whether I was a good enough "witness." This in addition to being terrified of accidentally missing heaven's trumpet call summoning the righteous in the rapture, because I'm a kid & probably forgot to ask forgiveness for something. (When you're a kid there seems to be no end to the ways you can screw up on a daily basis.)
And this was just the everyday run of the mill psychological terror, before the physical trauma & abuse started later. Thanks religion!
Aw. I do love your guests; Chad, Lindsey, and cohostBrice are my favorites - I love them as much as you. 😊
Great job providing a safe space for people who need it.
Did your cults charge for services like scientology did (still does) or was it more like a catholic church where they pass a basket around and donations are optional/any amount?
haha i do love joe. how about a youtube channel 🤔
oh shit, RLDS has missionaries?? i would lLOVE to hear about that. does every member get that chance? or is it in proximity to the leadership, since it was mentioned Joe's dad was a pastor? very interesting.
I was never Mormon or extremely religious growing up. Just in the past few years I have gained an unquenchable thirst for ex religious/cult media. Mormonism has been one of my favorites (least favorites?)