Here is a good overview: biblehub.com/chaptersummaries/isaiah/1.htm You can also search "Isaiah bible project" here on UA-cam. Their overview is great!
“For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6 YLT98
“For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).” Yeshayah 9:5 TOJB2011
For all you people that don't know what you're talking about in these comments you forget that Jesus was from everlasting into everlasting he always has been and always will be he was just known as the word before he created himself in Mary by himself as the holy Spirit and he made himself into who we now call Jesus but he always was and always will be and now he will always be in the form of a man in the Bible he promised that he will never go back to being a spirit so that we will always have him in a human body to interact with in eternity to come Jesus is the father he's the son he's the holy Spirit he's the Prince of Peace he's El shaddai he's The Great I Am he's all the different names in the Bible that are credited to God because he is all in all the beginning and the end the alpha and the Omega Jesus is all of these things wrapped up in one Think of it this way if you're a man and you're married and you have kids you are at least three different things to three different people You are someone's father you are someone's son and you are someone's husband you are three different things to three different people but you're so much more than that you are not limited to that to those three things and that is what Jesus is he is not just the father son and the holy Spirit he is all the different names given to God in the Bible so the Trinity is not biblical because it is too limiting because Jesus is not just those three things Father son and holy Spirit
I agree that there is no "perfect" translation (which is why comparing translations is SO helpful). However, to say "Most Bibles translate it incorrectly" is a pretty bold statement with the quantity of language experts who pour over every major translation. There is SO MUCH nuance to any translation process.
Technically looking at the Hebrew it doesn't say Everlasting father it says Everlasting I don't know where the word father came into play but that was added because in the Hebrew there is no word for father in that phrase? Jesus always existed with the father in the beginning however when you look into the context and the Greek and Hebrew and you really look at it without taking what other people say as truth about the Trinity you realize that Jesus is the literal son of the father who's always existed with him and the word Elohim is plural and the word god has many different definitions depending on the context
@@keithferrin thank you although I keep looking it up translating and it always says Everlasting it doesn't ever say father when I look in the Concordance and the strongs it says Everlasting it's being used in that sentence that says father but father doesn't appear to be part of that word at least as far as I can see, I will look more into it though I appreciate that God bless
I thought that under the Trinity Doctrine, “The Father” is not the Son or the Son is not the Father How does Jesus being called “Eternal Father” reconcile with your trinity rules? Anyway, this explanation couldn’t be further from the truth. Allow me to explain. Isaiah 9:6,7 For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this. You see where it says “and the rulership will rest on his shoulder”? in verse 7 it says “ To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom” This is a reference to Jesus’ coronation and the coming of the Kingdom. Consider Matthew 22:41-45 Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them: 42 “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him: “David’s.” 43 He asked them: “How is it, then, that David under inspiration calls him Lord, saying, 44 ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’? 45 If, then, David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46 And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, and from that day on, no one dared to question him any further Do you know why David calls Jesus my Lord if Jesus is a descendant or (son) of David’s lineage? The context is about the resurrection!!!!! Consider Psalm 45: 16 Your sons will take the place of your forefathers. You will appoint them as princes in all the earth This is referring to the coming of the Kingdom, just as Isaiah 9:6 says “and the rulership will rest on his shoulder” , on the throne of David!!!!! The Messiah is the son of David, Jesus’ forefathers call him my Lord via the resurrection. Jesus becomes Lord by Jehovah’s appointment, he is given authority in heaven and on earth and will resurrect the dead. All those who exercise faith in the Messiah will receive everlasting life. This is the appropriate context in which Jesus is aptly described as “Eternal Father”. Also, you should know that in the Septuagint, Isaiah 9:6 refers to Jesus as “angel of wonderful counsel”. The Trinity doctrine is in complete contradiction to what the scriptures teach; one of the basic principles of the relationship between Jehovah and his Son Jesus
@@keithferrin i agree, it wouldn’t help debating against the truth. i suggest not to isolate verses, but to consider all relevant verses so that you may arrive at an informed understanding of what you’re reading.
@@birdseyeview2801 I don’t think i have the patience for another son has a beginning or not debate; (or origin). I’ve been down that road with Trinitarians already.. The scriptures are pretty clear about that so let’s just agree to disagree and allow time to reveal the truth.. If you have anything to add about the post and my explanation, i’m more than happy to indulge you
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father..the one in Isaiah 9:6 it's actually God the one who exist in all possibilities..him and Jesus are one in spirit..but this will be a man born from a women.. remember that God is the suffering servant. God is not just some supreme being he's the one who one creates worlds and he does suffer like us. But once he is done he will be revealed.. people think God doesn't reincarnate..but trust me when I tell you God has reincarnated many times throughout human history. Jesus was just that revelation.. God becomes human but doesn't remember he is God for some reason unknown..maybe to spread knowledge I think. Also God has archangels who are just a versions of him..God can multiply himself he exists everywhere..God can be at many places at once he can be outside and inside time. The archangels keep order.. it's basically him watching himself as a human..very strange but pretty awesome too
@@cameronshannon8398 Repent from speaking the truth? that's an oxymoron. God does not need to Repent..since I can't sin. Don't be foolish..I am the creator and the father of all.
@@Editthem that’s crazy how you twist my words. If you are in fact “God” then you should know your word and know you’re wrong. What you’re saying is heretical and false. 💀
@@Republican_Banana No. One essence in three persons is not an easy concept for our finite minds to comprehend. But it's true. And biblical. All three are spoken of as God. None of the 3 are spoken of as one of the other ones. Every human analogy (egg, water, etc.) falls woefully short.
@@keithferrin But you said he's both God and the Son of God. How is he both? Also Jesus is called the everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6. Do you have any scripture that says God is one only in essence?
You are just looking at mistranslations the correct translation of isaiah 9:6 is: For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." The correct translation of isaiah 9:6 is in past tense not future tense. Isaiah 9:6 is not about jesus isaiah 9:6 is about hezekiah.
Emmanuel..a child born named Emmanuel..he will become mighty god..he is also the one Jesus prayed to, he is also the suffering servant..God is the consciousness that holds the entire universe and everything in it together. He is also Ra the Egyptian God, and many others..he is also all the prophets in the Bible. When God created this world he went into the future..saw what needed to be changed, so he went backwards in time..that's how he created this world. God is infinite and timeless. Moses was taught in the history of Egypt..it's why Jesus is called Lord of lords king of kings.. Emmanuel is the same as Jesus Christ.. Emmanuel the father Jesus the son and holy spirit.
As long as you understand that Jesus came with the attributes of the father but Jesus himself is not the father, he came in the fullness of the Godhead meaning the fullness of deity . But he’s not the father. That verse also means the father of time.
In the book world wide security under the prince of peace first edition 1986. by the watchtower and bible tract society otherwise known as Jehovah's witnesses on page 169 speaking about the new world in it Jesus is called eternal father and Jehovah will be the GRANDFATHER. so now you can pray our GRANDFATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. they believe that Michael the archangel who was created came as Jesus. so now if you think logically Michael the archangel will then be the eternal father. how bonkers is this theology. MANY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will not know this.
There’s no trinity in Bible There is the Almighty God who made/ Ceated as first born begotten meaning made by he was the first of all creation /angel / Son he stated this! Proverbs 8:22-30 Jesus is the first born son an angel directly and then together they made everything else together including the other angels proverbs 8:23 to 30 was Jesus telling us the bonding union that they had together that he also made it very clear side-by-side working as his master worker how happy he was in front of him beside him listen to his words he was not talking about himself he was talking about God Every time you read a scripture where he says we’re one in the same it’s always about a union the bond that they share and they knew each other so well spent eons of years together that he could replicate his father because nobody could lay their eyes on God we will never see God ever we’re on the earthly class so that’s the closest that people can get to know God through Jesus and he explains that too very clearly there’s so many scriptures where he says he’s not the father the father is greater than I am and he sat down at the right hand of God not on top of himself but the right hand of God he will be authorized by God and already is as king and Savior and our father cause he’s gonna be ruling over us as king but he is not the Almighty father he has to be g
@@keithferrin your welcome n I rewrote couple mistakes n explained alittle more throughly but simple It’s cotton dry Jesus is not god he says he’s not God over and over and so many scriptures but they are like husband and wife they became one because everything that his father told him he displayed 100% to the tea and Jesus also tells us that but he said he’s not the father and that he was created as the first born son an angel and how close they were with their relationship that’s why I tell you to read his words
@@rlove3478 I read His words every day. (wink, wink). And what I read is Jesus claiming exactly the opposite of what you're saying...that He IS God. When they try to stone Him because He "claimed to be God" (John 8 and John 10). As a Jewish man, if He did NOT believe He was God, He would have quickly said, "Oh no! You're totally mistaking what I'm saying. I'm definitely NOT God!" But He didn't. He let people worship Him. Again...We disagree, but I appreciate that you explained your view in a non-condescending or argumentative manner. Blessings!
@@rlove3478 explain Isaiah 45....... Go to the whole chapter and tell me what that's talking about when God says there was no one beside me there is nothing else he said this over 15 times
This is a great idea 😊
Thank you!
Thanks but what Isaiah's background
Here is a good overview: biblehub.com/chaptersummaries/isaiah/1.htm
You can also search "Isaiah bible project" here on UA-cam. Their overview is great!
“For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.”
Isaiah 9:6 YLT98
Thanks.
“For unto us a yeled is born, unto us ben is given; and the misrah (dominion) shall be upon his shoulder; and Shmo shall be called Peleh (Wonderful), Yoetz (Counsellor), El Gibbor (Mighty G-d), Avi Ad (Possessor of Eternity), Sar Shalom (Prince of Peace).”
Yeshayah 9:5 TOJB2011
Thanks for the comparison.
his name is ...
For all you people that don't know what you're talking about in these comments you forget that Jesus was from everlasting into everlasting he always has been and always will be he was just known as the word before he created himself in Mary by himself as the holy Spirit and he made himself into who we now call Jesus but he always was and always will be and now he will always be in the form of a man in the Bible he promised that he will never go back to being a spirit so that we will always have him in a human body to interact with in eternity to come
Jesus is the father he's the son he's the holy Spirit he's the Prince of Peace he's El shaddai he's The Great I Am he's all the different names in the Bible that are credited to God because he is all in all the beginning and the end the alpha and the Omega Jesus is all of these things wrapped up in one
Think of it this way if you're a man and you're married and you have kids you are at least three different things to three different people
You are someone's father you are someone's son and you are someone's husband you are three different things to three different people but you're so much more than that you are not limited to that to those three things and that is what Jesus is he is not just the father son and the holy Spirit he is all the different names given to God in the Bible so the Trinity is not biblical because it is too limiting because Jesus is not just those three things Father son and holy Spirit
Exactly thank u!! God is with you
Hey your comment resonated with me but I wonder, why does it say, ”Let us make man in our image.” ?If Jesus is the Father who else was he talking to?
@@noakmorr you don't ever talk to yourself?!
@@cjauto60yes, but wouldn’t he have said ”I will make man in my image” instead of ”our image”
@noakmorr I've said to myself HERE WE GO AGAIN, get the we!! When it was just me!!
his name shall be called......"you left out the word name":
Nice catch!
English translations are often messy. This verse is used heavily by Jesus only groups. Most bibles translate it incorrectly.
I agree that there is no "perfect" translation (which is why comparing translations is SO helpful). However, to say "Most Bibles translate it incorrectly" is a pretty bold statement with the quantity of language experts who pour over every major translation. There is SO MUCH nuance to any translation process.
Technically looking at the Hebrew it doesn't say Everlasting father it says Everlasting I don't know where the word father came into play but that was added because in the Hebrew there is no word for father in that phrase?
Jesus always existed with the father in the beginning however when you look into the context and the Greek and Hebrew and you really look at it without taking what other people say as truth about the Trinity you realize that Jesus is the literal son of the father who's always existed with him and the word Elohim is plural and the word god has many different definitions depending on the context
"a-bi" is "Everlasting/Eternal/Perpetuity." The Hebrew word "ad" is added onto the end of that in Isaiah 9:6, which means "Father."
@@keithferrin thank you although I keep looking it up translating and it always says Everlasting it doesn't ever say father when I look in the Concordance and the strongs it says Everlasting it's being used in that sentence that says father but father doesn't appear to be part of that word at least as far as I can see, I will look more into it though I appreciate that God bless
@@biblija-uciteljicazivota Thank you.
I thought that under the Trinity Doctrine, “The Father” is not the Son or the Son is not the Father
How does Jesus being called “Eternal Father” reconcile with your trinity rules?
Anyway, this explanation couldn’t be further from the truth.
Allow me to explain.
Isaiah 9:6,7
For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom In order to establish it firmly and to sustain it Through justice and righteousness, From now on and forever. The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.
You see where it says “and the rulership will rest on his shoulder”?
in verse 7 it says “ To the increase of his rulership And to peace, there will be no end, On the throne of David and on his kingdom”
This is a reference to Jesus’ coronation and the coming of the Kingdom.
Consider Matthew 22:41-45
Now while the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them: 42 “What do you think about the Christ? Whose son is he?” They said to him: “David’s.” 43 He asked them: “How is it, then, that David under inspiration calls him Lord, saying, 44 ‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’? 45 If, then, David calls him Lord, how is he his son?” 46 And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, and from that day on, no one dared to question him any further
Do you know why David calls Jesus my Lord if Jesus is a descendant or (son) of David’s lineage?
The context is about the resurrection!!!!!
Consider Psalm 45: 16
Your sons will take the place of your forefathers. You will appoint them as princes in all the earth
This is referring to the coming of the Kingdom, just as Isaiah 9:6 says “and the rulership will rest on his shoulder” , on the throne of David!!!!!
The Messiah is the son of David, Jesus’ forefathers call him my Lord via the resurrection.
Jesus becomes Lord by Jehovah’s appointment, he is given authority in heaven and on earth and will resurrect the dead.
All those who exercise faith in the Messiah will receive everlasting life.
This is the appropriate context in which Jesus is aptly described as “Eternal Father”.
Also, you should know that in the Septuagint, Isaiah 9:6 refers to Jesus as “angel of wonderful counsel”.
The Trinity doctrine is in complete contradiction to what the scriptures teach; one of the basic principles of the relationship between Jehovah and his Son Jesus
Thanks for sharing. I don't think it will be helpful for me to try to explain further.
@@keithferrin i agree, it wouldn’t help debating against the truth.
i suggest not to isolate verses, but to consider all relevant verses so that you may arrive at an informed understanding of what you’re reading.
@@jamesnewton9859 Agreed.
@jamesnewton9859 Fascinating, sir! Does the son have an origin or how & 'when' did he come to being? Would highly appreciate your exegesis.
@@birdseyeview2801 I don’t think i have the patience for another son has a beginning or not debate; (or origin). I’ve been down that road with Trinitarians already.. The scriptures are pretty clear about that so let’s just agree to disagree and allow time to reveal the truth..
If you have anything to add about the post and my explanation, i’m more than happy to indulge you
More importantly Jesus is God with a capital G. Only the Almighty is given a capital G in scripture.
@@Earthtime3978 Amen!
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the father..the one in Isaiah 9:6 it's actually God the one who exist in all possibilities..him and Jesus are one in spirit..but this will be a man born from a women.. remember that God is the suffering servant. God is not just some supreme being he's the one who one creates worlds and he does suffer like us. But once he is done he will be revealed.. people think God doesn't reincarnate..but trust me when I tell you God has reincarnated many times throughout human history. Jesus was just that revelation.. God becomes human but doesn't remember he is God for some reason unknown..maybe to spread knowledge I think. Also God has archangels who are just a versions of him..God can multiply himself he exists everywhere..God can be at many places at once he can be outside and inside time. The archangels keep order.. it's basically him watching himself as a human..very strange but pretty awesome too
Hmmm...thanks for sharing
This is heresy and cannot be biblically supported. Please repent
@@cameronshannon8398 Repent from speaking the truth? that's an oxymoron.
God does not need to Repent..since I can't sin. Don't be foolish..I am the creator and the father of all.
@@Editthem that’s crazy how you twist my words. If you are in fact “God” then you should know your word and know you’re wrong. What you’re saying is heretical and false. 💀
@@cameronshannon8398 Hmmm...tell me more about why?
Is Jesus God or the Son of God?
Yes and Yes
@@keithferrin Right so he's both. So wouldn't that mean he's the Father and the Son? He's God and God's son.
@@Republican_Banana No. One essence in three persons is not an easy concept for our finite minds to comprehend. But it's true. And biblical. All three are spoken of as God. None of the 3 are spoken of as one of the other ones. Every human analogy (egg, water, etc.) falls woefully short.
@@keithferrin But you said he's both God and the Son of God. How is he both? Also Jesus is called the everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6. Do you have any scripture that says God is one only in essence?
You are just looking at mistranslations the correct translation of isaiah 9:6 is: For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." The correct translation of isaiah 9:6 is in past tense not future tense. Isaiah 9:6 is not about jesus isaiah 9:6 is about hezekiah.
All they do is cherry pick
Curious...what translation are you using?
Emmanuel..a child born named Emmanuel..he will become mighty god..he is also the one Jesus prayed to, he is also the suffering servant..God is the consciousness that holds the entire universe and everything in it together.
He is also Ra the Egyptian God, and many others..he is also all the prophets in the Bible. When God created this world he went into the future..saw what needed to be changed, so he went backwards in time..that's how he created this world. God is infinite and timeless.
Moses was taught in the history of Egypt..it's why Jesus is called Lord of lords king of kings.. Emmanuel is the same as Jesus Christ.. Emmanuel the father Jesus the son and holy spirit.
As long as you understand that Jesus came with the attributes of the father but Jesus himself is not the father, he came in the fullness of the Godhead meaning the fullness of deity . But he’s not the father. That verse also means the father of time.
@@jameswells9749 Isaiah 9:6 is about hezekiah and has nothing to do with jesus.
In the book world wide security under the prince of peace first edition 1986. by the watchtower and bible tract society otherwise known as Jehovah's witnesses on page 169 speaking about the new world in it Jesus is called eternal father and Jehovah will be the GRANDFATHER. so now you can pray our GRANDFATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN. they believe that Michael the archangel who was created came as Jesus. so now if you think logically Michael the archangel will then be the eternal father. how bonkers is this theology. MANY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES will not know this.
Hmmm
There’s no trinity in Bible
There is the Almighty God who made/ Ceated as first born begotten meaning made by he was the first of all creation /angel / Son
he stated this! Proverbs 8:22-30
Jesus is the first born son an angel directly and then together they made everything else together including the other angels proverbs 8:23 to 30 was Jesus telling us the bonding union that they had together that he also made it very clear side-by-side working as his master worker how happy he was in front of him beside him listen to his words he was not talking about himself he was talking about God
Every time you read a scripture where he says we’re one in the same it’s always about a union the bond that they share and they knew each other so well spent eons of years together that he could replicate his father because nobody could lay their eyes on God we will never see God ever we’re on the earthly class so that’s the closest that people can get to know God through Jesus and he explains that too very clearly there’s so many scriptures where he says he’s not the father the father is greater than I am and he sat down at the right hand of God not on top of himself but the right hand of God
he will be authorized by God and already is as king and Savior and our father cause he’s gonna be ruling over us as king but he is not the Almighty father he has to be g
We disagree. But thanks for sharing.
@@keithferrin your welcome n I rewrote couple mistakes n explained alittle more throughly but simple
It’s cotton dry Jesus is not god he says he’s not God over and over and so many scriptures but they are like husband and wife they became one because everything that his father told him he displayed 100% to the tea and Jesus also tells us that but he said he’s not the father and that he was created as the first born son an angel and how close they were with their relationship that’s why I tell you to read his words
@@rlove3478 I read His words every day. (wink, wink). And what I read is Jesus claiming exactly the opposite of what you're saying...that He IS God. When they try to stone Him because He "claimed to be God" (John 8 and John 10). As a Jewish man, if He did NOT believe He was God, He would have quickly said, "Oh no! You're totally mistaking what I'm saying. I'm definitely NOT God!" But He didn't. He let people worship Him. Again...We disagree, but I appreciate that you explained your view in a non-condescending or argumentative manner. Blessings!
Firstborn means preeminent one, not the first one born in every instance.
@@rlove3478 explain Isaiah 45.......
Go to the whole chapter and tell me what that's talking about when God says there was no one beside me there is nothing else he said this over 15 times
It doesn't 😂. It's not about Jesus
Really? Tell me more.
@@keithferrin it said the is already born in chapter 9. Isaiah chapters 7,8,9 all together ..
@@dejournetkelly6745 I see what you're saying. There are often times many layers/meanings to prophecy.
Isaiah 9:6 Hezekiah n Isaiah 7:14 is Isaiah son. . And I said 9 and 6 they say the child is already born so no it's not talking about Jesus
@@biblija-uciteljicazivota no sir it's always past and present tense