I always feel so poor looking at channels where players have masterpieces, expensive cheerio rocks, the black tutors, dual lands, etc. And then you bring out a proxy for Lion's Eye Diamond and Timetwister and I feel good again. Thank you so much! Am now a subscriber!
Gilberto Morales a bunch of us in the cEDH community are very pro proxies. We want you to play with us, but we know not everyone has the ability to put that kind of money into a hobby!
My Cedh playgroup actually encourage proxies we want to play powerful magic and none of us think it’s reasonable that the fact you don’t want to drop $2k+ on a pile of cardboard should keep you from playing powerful magic. I personally don’t like proxies in my deck mostly for aesthetic reasons but I have no problem if a player (especially a player who is either younger or newer) uses proxies for their deck.
@@goldengoosed1574 Even then there are places like etsy where you can get some very pretty proxies for a fraction of the price too. If you want to keep the immersion with art work. :)
ecos889 for sure I’m always so impressed with the art work on some of those proxies the other big reason is I like to support my lgs because the guys who run it are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met and I like to support them
what i amdoing with paradox engine is just going to get sensei diving top, then is a guaranteed way to draw your deck whith 5 mana worth of paradox . ( vial shamser is there instead of tymna)
Regarding your budgetless version, you talk about having no dead slots and more interaction, yet you're only running 6 counters. I think you filled your interactive slots with some choices I'm not crazy about. Wouldn't mind your thoughts on these. Cards I'm really not sold on: Honored Hierarch - I get wanting a one mana dork, but this does nothing until connecting with a player, as a 1/1, AND has to sit out attacking the first turn. Incubation Druid seems strictly better, even with the higher CMC Conqueror's Flail - Grand Abolisher just seems better Opal Palace - This one is really puzzling. You're willing to spend 2 mana to put a counter on something? Qasali Pridemage - All the talk about 1 CMC, I'd think you'd rather have Caustic Caterpillar. Either way, it requires an activated ability on a creature, so you can't use it to hit Cursed Totem :( Scrabbling Claws - why this over say Grafdigger's Cage or another GY hate piece? Jitte - seems 4 CMC is a lot to spend. Feel like you could cut this for a counter, draw, or otherwise good piece like Copy Artifact
Very interesting! No doubt this duo has rekt my EDH experience but I've never seen it like this before think goodness XDXD I'll try this on a budget cuz omg some of these prices are gonna take bit to tackle.
There is one that makes infinite mana in instant speed. I made a video about it. But it finds these 3 creatures. 1) Torch currior 2) Incubation druid 3) Vigean graftmage I might have missed spelled one or two but most likely all three.
Man this video didn't age well lol. Pulled T&T from my collectors box and am interested in the deck now. Was never gonna pay 100$ for the pair of commanders but hey, now they are in front of me begging to get some table time
@@cedhtv oh yeah I know, I was just checking UA-cam for t&t decks and one of your old videos came up and when you talked about paradox engine and flash i was like "ooo it hurts" lol. There's hardly any t&t videos on UA-cam and only gameplay. Idk how I want to build and the only options right now seem to be medium green, or Consolation.
Great video, seems similar to thrasios vial smasher curiosity as fare as the game plan, also, what do you think of using melrin, sylvok outcast, viscera seer, lesser masticore, and disciple of the vault as a hulk combo? Wins at instant speed with only 1 hulk trigger and doesn't run anything excessively high other than hulk for ad nauseam.
I like it. I would swap sylvok outcast for anafensa tree kin spirit. Dose the same thing. Honestly. I think its super legit! I think its better then shuffel hulk.
Unless there are torpor orbs and hushwing gryff, then Merlin is better because it doesn't require an etb. I'm also thinking of playing with that combo in a najeela tempo deck, drop tainted pact, consolidation, jace, and a couple other misc situational interaction peices to accommodate it. Does that seem worth it, or is it a better game plan to have lab man jace as the back up?
Thank you so much for this! I wanted to dtart building a budget cedh deck myself :) Few questions. Would echo of eons work here for a twister loop? Im a huge stax fan, and my playgroup is totally fine with it. In the budget list whats really obvious to me is winter orb. Do you think i can add more stax pieces to it and still be the best variant? What turn does the deck reliably win on? Also it would be super cool if you could challenge yourself and take the budget list to a tier 1 table for a game or 2. I dont expect you to win but seeing it in action could be very cool
It wins or attempts to win somewhere turn 4. Can happen faster like turn 3 but that is rare. This deck or the PST playstyle could easily be tweaked into a stax deck. Go for low cost stax cards. Winter orb is a good suggestion. This deck runs a lot of dorks and rocks so it isn't a problem. Just don't play stax cards that look you down like sphere of resistance. Echo of eons works.
How far off is Paradox Scepter Tasigur compared to PST? I recognize that Thrasios can be cast easily in the first few turns unlike Tasigur, and Tymna is another body that offers easy draws (as well as offering some White cards). But the bulk of the Scepter decks is the same. If T&T is 10/10 and Kess/Zur/Food Chain is 9+/10, what would you rate Tasigur?
@@cedhtv Hmm, how about in comparison to Kess & Zur? About the same or maybe a bit below as well? Tasigur leaves more mana open once the grave is set for his summon, but I'm guessing Kess & Zur come down faster to get the ball rolling thus making them "better."
@@cedhtv o: I see. Thank you for your insight! I'm just going by what people are toting these commanders to be because I do not have an established playgroup.
For the budget version you could add Echo of Eons from Modern Horizons. When you have infinite Mana it is the same as time twister so you can do the same loops.
I have a facebbok and discord. My name on discord is Micromonkey. And facebook måns bredelius. But a lot of people contact me so your message might die in my inbox. But if I have time I will say hi.
Do you think that Morophon with Sparkcaster and a mana reducer like Urza's Filter or Horned Kavu with an ETB effect like Gaurdian Project or Furious Assault would work in a competitive environment?
@@cedhtv haha ok, Recently i played in a commander tournament with my Talrand controll deck, it was pretty competitive i played against zur and sissay. it was really entertaining to play I love my Talrand controll deck for not winning with combo but with 2/2 flyers and extra turns, but of course its far from tier 1, but its just too awesome to play
Breakfast hulk probably comes close to this after the new muligan rules.
Partner Commanders are the Nickelback of EDH Generals (great list I just see these two EVERYWHERE)
I always feel so poor looking at channels where players have masterpieces, expensive cheerio rocks, the black tutors, dual lands, etc. And then you bring out a proxy for Lion's Eye Diamond and Timetwister and I feel good again. Thank you so much! Am now a subscriber!
Gilberto Morales a bunch of us in the cEDH community are very pro proxies. We want you to play with us, but we know not everyone has the ability to put that kind of money into a hobby!
My Cedh playgroup actually encourage proxies we want to play powerful magic and none of us think it’s reasonable that the fact you don’t want to drop $2k+ on a pile of cardboard should keep you from playing powerful magic. I personally don’t like proxies in my deck mostly for aesthetic reasons but I have no problem if a player (especially a player who is either younger or newer) uses proxies for their deck.
@@goldengoosed1574 Even then there are places like etsy where you can get some very pretty proxies for a fraction of the price too. If you want to keep the immersion with art work. :)
ecos889 for sure I’m always so impressed with the art work on some of those proxies the other big reason is I like to support my lgs because the guys who run it are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met and I like to support them
@@goldengoosed1574 True, but it's still difficult to spend hundreds of dollars on a single card.
what i amdoing with paradox engine is just going to get sensei diving top, then is a guaranteed way to draw your deck whith 5 mana worth of paradox . ( vial shamser is there instead of tymna)
Could you do a tier list of the partner commanders and how to use them?.
Regarding your budgetless version, you talk about having no dead slots and more interaction, yet you're only running 6 counters. I think you filled your interactive slots with some choices I'm not crazy about. Wouldn't mind your thoughts on these. Cards I'm really not sold on:
Honored Hierarch - I get wanting a one mana dork, but this does nothing until connecting with a player, as a 1/1, AND has to sit out attacking the first turn. Incubation Druid seems strictly better, even with the higher CMC
Conqueror's Flail - Grand Abolisher just seems better
Opal Palace - This one is really puzzling. You're willing to spend 2 mana to put a counter on something?
Qasali Pridemage - All the talk about 1 CMC, I'd think you'd rather have Caustic Caterpillar. Either way, it requires an activated ability on a creature, so you can't use it to hit Cursed Totem :(
Scrabbling Claws - why this over say Grafdigger's Cage or another GY hate piece?
Jitte - seems 4 CMC is a lot to spend. Feel like you could cut this for a counter, draw, or otherwise good piece like Copy Artifact
Mons, any updates to this since engine ban and innistrad release?
The red text on the tumbnail is a bit hard to read. Maybe you could change it to a different color combination?
Cant read the title?
What is your thoughts on adding diabolic intent to as a budget tuter
Totally works. You can sac tymna or a dork without problems.
Is this a reuploud?
You still have "this is Twister loops " at 16:22 2 times
Yes, there was a problem with the original. must have forgotten the repeat there as well.
@@cedhtv Huh i thought it was a joke given that it, you know, loops.
@@unamusedpanda857 me too! Hahaha i thought he do on purpose
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UA-cam has a new editor where you can delete portions of the video (i think)
Very interesting! No doubt this duo has rekt my EDH experience but I've never seen it like this before think goodness XDXD I'll try this on a budget cuz omg some of these prices are gonna take bit to tackle.
Is there a pile for Temur hulk? I found one for simic but sorcery speed. I wanted one at instant speed!
There is one that makes infinite mana in instant speed. I made a video about it. But it finds these 3 creatures.
1) Torch currior
2) Incubation druid
3) Vigean graftmage
I might have missed spelled one or two but most likely all three.
Man this video didn't age well lol. Pulled T&T from my collectors box and am interested in the deck now.
Was never gonna pay 100$ for the pair of commanders but hey, now they are in front of me begging to get some table time
oh this is an old video. But yeah paradox got banned. Don't think this deck would be that OP anymore either anymore.
@@cedhtv oh yeah I know, I was just checking UA-cam for t&t decks and one of your old videos came up and when you talked about paradox engine and flash i was like "ooo it hurts" lol.
There's hardly any t&t videos on UA-cam and only gameplay. Idk how I want to build and the only options right now seem to be medium green, or Consolation.
Great video, seems similar to thrasios vial smasher curiosity as fare as the game plan, also, what do you think of using melrin, sylvok outcast, viscera seer, lesser masticore, and disciple of the vault as a hulk combo? Wins at instant speed with only 1 hulk trigger and doesn't run anything excessively high other than hulk for ad nauseam.
I like it. I would swap sylvok outcast for anafensa tree kin spirit. Dose the same thing. Honestly. I think its super legit! I think its better then shuffel hulk.
Unless there are torpor orbs and hushwing gryff, then Merlin is better because it doesn't require an etb. I'm also thinking of playing with that combo in a najeela tempo deck, drop tainted pact, consolidation, jace, and a couple other misc situational interaction peices to accommodate it. Does that seem worth it, or is it a better game plan to have lab man jace as the back up?
Thank you so much for this! I wanted to dtart building a budget cedh deck myself :)
Few questions. Would echo of eons work here for a twister loop?
Im a huge stax fan, and my playgroup is totally fine with it. In the budget list whats really obvious to me is winter orb. Do you think i can add more stax pieces to it and still be the best variant?
What turn does the deck reliably win on?
Also it would be super cool if you could challenge yourself and take the budget list to a tier 1 table for a game or 2. I dont expect you to win but seeing it in action could be very cool
It wins or attempts to win somewhere turn 4. Can happen faster like turn 3 but that is rare.
This deck or the PST playstyle could easily be tweaked into a stax deck. Go for low cost stax cards. Winter orb is a good suggestion. This deck runs a lot of dorks and rocks so it isn't a problem. Just don't play stax cards that look you down like sphere of resistance.
Echo of eons works.
How far off is Paradox Scepter Tasigur compared to PST? I recognize that Thrasios can be cast easily in the first few turns unlike Tasigur, and Tymna is another body that offers easy draws (as well as offering some White cards). But the bulk of the Scepter decks is the same. If T&T is 10/10 and Kess/Zur/Food Chain is 9+/10, what would you rate Tasigur?
Difficult to answer. Tasigur is definitely good. But AT&T is definitely better. I would say he is below but not that fare away.
@@cedhtv Hmm, how about in comparison to Kess & Zur? About the same or maybe a bit below as well? Tasigur leaves more mana open once the grave is set for his summon, but I'm guessing Kess & Zur come down faster to get the ball rolling thus making them "better."
Really hard question to answer. But I consider Zur and kess below Tasigur. I haven't lost to Zur in a long time now.
@@cedhtv o: I see. Thank you for your insight! I'm just going by what people are toting these commanders to be because I do not have an established playgroup.
Does Umezawa's Jitte need to be in a budget cEDH deck such as this? real question^
Please, make a Thrasios & Vial Smasher deck tech ! Congrats for the vídeo !
I have done several Thrasios Vial smasher. But then again. We can't have enough of that romantic couple.
Hey buddy nice vid as always keep up the good work. Will ad my shout out for an update to JODAH big mana stax and maybe a look at niv mizet 5 c.
Niv Miz is outclassed by the new First Sliver. He was the best Food Chain commander for a month or so though.
@@insertphrasehere15 cool but was not asking whats better.
You are didactically so talented that you could be a prof at university. I wish some if my Profs would be that capable
Wow thank you.
For the budget version you could add Echo of Eons from Modern Horizons. When you have infinite Mana it is the same as time twister so you can do the same loops.
Oh is there a link to discord or to a FB? Would love to chat MTG and play some games with u!
I have a facebbok and discord. My name on discord is Micromonkey. And facebook måns bredelius. But a lot of people contact me so your message might die in my inbox. But if I have time I will say hi.
Do you think that Morophon with Sparkcaster and a mana reducer like Urza's Filter or Horned Kavu with an ETB effect like Gaurdian Project or Furious Assault would work in a competitive environment?
I miss paradox engine
Same. Lets keep our hopes up.
Why are people sleeping on Jeleva, her top deck manipulation following your oppents top deck is OP as ever....
Pernaments
I don't think I notice that I pronounce it wrong. I am starting to think I will never learn.
Plz do a deck teck for ZEDRUU!! PLZZZZZ :D
whats with your najeela hype? :(
? What do you mean? Najeela is great. But I think this deck has taken over.
@@cedhtv haha ok, Recently i played in a commander tournament with my Talrand controll deck, it was pretty competitive i played against zur and sissay. it was really entertaining to play I love my Talrand controll deck for not winning with combo but with 2/2 flyers and extra turns, but of course its far from tier 1, but its just too awesome to play
with modern horizons, twister loops become affordable (at 6 mana instead of 3, though!)
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