I wish you guys would support the products you sell by having replacement parts. I have been waiting for a replacement head unit to become available for my V2 for more than 6 months now. Nice that you are releasing new models, but supporting older models would create a more trusting relationship with your customers.
Funny you mention this because I have read numerous complaints regarding the same sentiment from owner complaints and not helpful customer support. I’ve been in the market for a new scooter and considered the phantom v4, but since did not buy anything because of these complaints I’ve read. I hope they improve and assist you further in the parts you need.
Removable auxiliary battery on the stem would be interesting. When I go to work, I cannot bring that huge scooter inside, but a detachable one like on my electric bike would be great. Plus in child weather, could stay warm inside. Managing both batteries together would probably an interesting challenge.
I love what you guys do with modular upgrades. When you come out with new features for a given model, you offer upgrade kits. This lets folks stay up to date with the latest and greatest without having to throw down cash for a whole new scooter.
Greetings, I would like to offer a suggestion based on my experience. I suggest paying close attention to the parts of the design that protrude excessively. While it looks attractive and futuristic, the junction between the handlebar and the stem could become dangerous in case of an emergency. I believe that an impact with these prominent edges on the chest or face could be hazardous.
Why name the new scooter the "Phantom 2.0"? If a new generation of a scooter doesn't even resemble its predecessor, and doesn't share much of its DNA, it's NOT really in the same family...is it?? The new Phantom 2.0 looks like it was deserving of its own/new name, and if anything, it looks like an offspring of the Apollo Pro. Maybe do a DNA test and see who the TRUE father of this great looking scooter new scooter, actually is?
Yep, that would look better. I'm not a fan of the "K-Mart grey", 80s furniture color. Wonder what it would cost to add some Nami-style dark grey/black.
Improved cruise control. Have a bi-directional cruise control. How this works is that as a rider in the app, I set “float in MPH or KMH”. What this does is set the maximum overspeed the scooter will go before it starts using regenerative braking when the scooter has cruise control engaged. Example I set float for 2MPH. I am then running and engage my cruise control when my scooter is traveling at 25MPH. If I hit a down hill and the scooter starts coasting, when the speed exceeds 27mph, the scooter will automatically start applying regenerative braking to maintain a speed of 27MPH maximum on the down hill section and will start applying power to maintain at least 25MPH when the slope of the hill no longer pushes the scooter forward at a speed greater then 25MPH.
Nice idea, and I approve this message... that said, it's a fair ways down my list of issues. AND.... this is the danger of your cure.... the scoot suddenly putting on the brakes without my input, severely increases the danger of folks flying over the bars and landing on their faces. You might say, that regen would be soft, so not likely to throw the rider forward but, the situation you describe has a rider already tilted forward, as the hill you want to keep speed on has already occurred, so you're already in a situation vulnerable to head over heels consequences. You call it 'bi-directional cruise control'... but I think what you're wanting is what is called in the auto industry as 'hill decent control'... in other words, what you want is to be able to use cruise, with a speed limiter to enforce a max speed, using regen. Self braking might be OK in a car, where your own body isn't a part of the equation, but on a scoot, it's a whole different story.
Our family has three *Apollo Go 2024* dual motors! Love the regen brakes they never wear out and they charge the battery) one can pry them from our hands😅 however, might have to sell one for this Phantom. Just saying!😊
Are you actually having good luck with the Apollo Go? I've been afraid to pull the trigger on an Apollo scooter, because of all of the many horror stories I've been seeing with godawful customer service experiences.
@@onceuponareset-ho7fg so far no problems I've contacted them 4 or 5 times with questions and they got back immediately and walked me through some things. On their Channel there's tutorials for every single thing on the Apollo go. I dropped one of my Apollo Goes on its handle and using the great tutorials I took the handle apart and soldered a couple throttle wires that split when the handle fell back to new! That would have not been covered by warranty. They got bad press in the past but I think they really worked hard on rectifying that.
@@mikehagquist5198 I love my Goes 2024 and as I mentioned on this thread the many repair tutorials on their channel for this specific scooter. I was looking at one of the repair tutorials on getting to the rear shocks because I was thinking of lubing them and checking them out. Oh my goodness that's a lot of work just to get in there. Big C clamps required to reassemble are required and lots of removing stuff. some other scooters the springs or rear shocks are right in view and can be adjusted and lubed instantly
Great video. I'm looking forward to upgrading from my V2 to the Steller. Any chance the new tires will be vulcanized rubber like a car or motorcycle instead of nylon. Self healing is good but a tougher tire will help prevent punctures in the first place. I'm tired of fixing flats. I hope they are still using split rims.
Since you have lots of telemetry in your scooter hardware now, make sure you update your App to ensure that this information is also helpful to the rider. Example bar graphs on the app in real time that show motor, controller and battery (if you have this) temps. Green, yellow and red so we as riders can see that we should back off a bit before the protection circuitry will have to engage. Would also be nice if you can grab altitude or angle of attack (with a clinometer in the scooter) to map speed, acceleration, vertical altitude change, etc over a ride along with current and outside and component temperatures. Good performance metrics like a formula 1 race car for riders to look at. People would really enjoy this I think and you data mine valuable performance and rider use data to use in future design projects.
A huge reason people should wait for the 2.0 - IP66. You can ride the 2.0 in the driving rain. The V3 Phantom has IP54, which is 'splash resistant'. If you get caught in the rain on your V3/V4x and the $1100 battery pack is ruined, no warranty will cover you. What's the ground clearance & expected weight of the 2.0 Stellar? Will the steering dampener be an accessory for the Stellar? At what speed do testers believe a steering dampener is advised? The V3 doesn't exactly purr > 60km/h. Will users be able to configure which wheel gets the most throttle? Such as a Nami Klima Max - in the rain, you can configure it to use 20% : 80% front wheel : back wheel.
I believe the dampener is standard on the Stellar, and an option on the base model. As for what speed a dampener is needed, I believe a well designed/engineered scooter shouldn't need one. I have a Pro, and maxed out on Ludo, I have never had even a hint of wobble/shake/shimmy/whatever you wanna call it. I think the problem is with the rake(angle of stem/wheel), because a higher angle of rake helps, but, with a scoot, that higher angle pushes the handlebars too far into the rider position. That said, Apollo is trying to make that angle as high as they can, while not intruding too far into the rider position. As for 'purring', my Pro purrs just fine at top speed.(70+k/h).✌🏼🇨🇦 Edit--- I'm not sure, but rider weight might have something to do with steering issues. I'm a lightweight at 170lbs. I have heard(seen on Tube vids), that with motorcycles, when a wobble occurs, they say(who are 'they'? lol) that leaning forward(putting as much weight as possible on the front), is the 'best practice', to survive the situation and bring the cycle back under control... so maybe, on scoots, weight has a role to play when it comes to steering issues.(HEY, Apollo, get on testing this issue!). Oh, I also 'heard' that leprechauns are gonna give me a pile of gold. lol.
@@BorealisNights I'm not sure why so many people have stem issues. With the V3 Phantom, you have to get good at maintenance - but 99% of that is going around the scooter & tightening bolts. If you don't touch a single bolt on your V3 for about 500kms, I can almost guarantee you almost every last one of them will be loose. I routinely (once a week or so) fold the stem down, spray some white lithium grease on the 2 clamps & tighten the bolts. I tighten the fold down clamp just enough so I'm barely able to close it. After looking for the source of the creaks, I found it was the handlebars. I wasn't removing the two bolts holding the light fixture on & tightening the 2 bolts beneath it. That solved my issue. I'm 5'9", about 195lbs, and with almost 6k kms on my Phantom, advice I picked up when you know you don't have time to avoid a bump, you're supposed to crouch backwards & if you have enough strength, to try to pop the front wheel up a bit so you hit the majority of the bump with your back wheel. I thought that would destroy my stem, but nope - I have the older V3 where you have the 12mm stem bolt exposed at the base of the stem, and I've never had to tighten it. I even bought a special pack of heavy hex bolt wrenches just so I'd have the 12mm one. Every month or so, I'll tighten every exposed bolt - from the wheel lugs, to the torx screws/bolts on the platform, working my way up - I tighten the ones holding the controller in underneath, all the brake bolts, the mystery bolts on the stem that only plug in sideways, the handlebar clamp & its 4 bolts, everything down to the brake levers. I did all that yesterday, and with 5700kms on my V3 Phantom, I went for a pre-dawn ride today & it was as quiet as the day I got it. Trick with the Phantom V3 was, so make the suspension springs nice and loose on the front wheel, but hard on the back. I think that's the approach they took with the Pro. It forgave harsh bumps but you never lost control of the back end. I top up the tires to 50psi every day I ride. As far as steering issues, I've found it to be stable up to about 62km/h, but the front feels a little light after that. With my 10" tires, I expect them to give up around that point. I've had it going 71km/h, but even if I could, I wouldn't got faster on something as light as that with such tiny tires. I'm not sure what 11" tires would be like with the same wheelbase, but I'm assuming it'd be a bit better. I always wondered how the Pro, with its 12" tires, handled speeds like 70km/h - and frankly, I was wondering why the new Phantom didn't get 12" tires instead of the 11" it's getting. Perhaps it's cannibalizing the Pro market too much, perhaps it's a "smaller should also mean more nimble" intent. Steering damper doesn't bother me at all, I just think of the extra weight & how much it sticks out when I put the scooter in the back of my car.
The stellar looks so awesome, love those videos and engineering. Unfortunately, this is out of my budget, so will just but a used v3 or something like this. I have a city pro 2022 and missing a bit of range.
What happened to the Mach3? That was one of the initial features of the Phantom 2. As a Pro owner, I ALWAYS use regen brake. It is just as strong when you are responsibly riding. I don't even use drum braking. If you want disk braking because it looks cool, you are wasting your own time and money. I'll digress, I'm not riding at 65-70 km/h any long period of time. Who is? I don't feel the dampener is necessary, except for the people willing to pay more for it? The Pro is PRO for a reason. However, I will warn purchasers against buying after market parts. I ordered a Quadlock Samsung case, and mirrors, which I have not received at this time.
If you're not going to ride it fast, at least you get more range. Seems like if you just want a scooter that does 100km at 30km/h, you need to but one that can do 100km/h max speed.
The tilting headlight is a nice thing. However I see it as a potential weak point if it is not really well engineered. Parts breaking, wearing out or it getting floppy and not holding position. Test this for many, many repositionings to make sure it doesn’t get loose or brake.
I am a loyal fan and own the phantom v3. I hope your company will continue give back to customer and allow us to do a trade in program. They can still make profit and sell the refurbished model keeping both old and new customers happy allowing for customers to get a already great scooter at a more affordable price
Most used Phantoms aren't worth the cost of shipping & appraising them. Refurbs might do ok, but I'd see that as a wasp's nest of complaints & bad reviews & petty nonsense. I'll keep a scooter for a year (maybe a little longer) then sell it for $1k. Unless it's got like < 500kms on it, I wouldn't buy used without test riding it first.
For the 1.0 prototype, I believe they said 90 pounds. But for the 2.0, and onward, they have already made some changes where they have mentioned that some additional weight has been shaved off. So I would say 85+ pounds?
@@angelodepaolo Thank you, that's welcome news. I knew the larger, better battery array would mean more weight, but when you see the Nami Burn-E2 Max weighing 107lbs, you see it's possible to have lower weight and power/range. I'm really happy Apollo are focusing on these as scooters. Not that I often do, I like to be able to fold my scooter & put it in my car. To do that, I'm hoping the scooter isn't much heavier than 100lbs. I like the adjustable headlight - but I wonder if that's a future source of rattling or stripped bolts from trying to keep it from rattling. I do hope the new light is > 1k lumens. I intend to put a light rack on the stem of my next scooter (I don't want clutter on the handlebars).
@@NunchucksHabit yeah, I’m totally with you, I need the portability, absolutely. These guys seem to be very Applesque with using a shit ton of superlatives every time they describe every spec…. But at least with Apple, they also give you hard numbers too The headlight is a good example, I keep hearing how “bright “it is but I never hear any lumen numbers.
@@angelodepaolo It's hard to get everyone ready for the latest model while not making the original sound like a turd, lol. I usually skip the introductions for stuff like this since they could change so much about it based on what people say before production is underway. There are many people out there who crap on the company, and I suppose they have their reasons, it seems many don't. I want to see it do well, especially if they're innovating. One thing I never got to try was the drum brakes - I know people hated them on paper, but I heard that once they were broken in, they were fantastic. I put hydraulics on my V3 Phantom but I only have them for emergencies. In my 5700km + I have on it, I've used my brakes maybe 5 times. Otherwise, it's been regen, which destroys all other braking systems, except in emergency braking. There's always something I have to crap on though - and it's only petty - the cadence of the stress order in the word 'Apollo' is supposed to be on the second syllable, no matter what language it's spoken in, and for some dumb reason I can't stand to hear it stressed on the first syllable. Something everyone I know from Montreal does - whatever the intended stress syllable is, plan on it landing on another syllable. Plus the fact they drop H's where they should be & vice-versa. e.g., "You have wonderful eyes" becomes, "You 'ave wondERful highs".
Why does the Phantom 2.0 always have that strap around the locking bar mechanism? Is it simply because you are still prototyping, or will the final version need that strap all the time? I don’t know anything about disc brakes vs drum brakes. But I do know that I don’t want to have to baby and maintain my scooter all the time, so if I upgrade to the hydraulic brakes by buying the stellar version, is one of the benefits of hydraulic that it has less maintenance? Would you please, please address the fact that many of us keep asking for all black parts? I don’t want something that looks like a clone of the Pro, even if it did win a Red Dot Award. The 2.0 scooter is beautiful on its own, and I am a big fan of all-black. Please allow an all-black version. Will we be able to use the NFC capability in our iPhones to lock or start the scooter? I don’t wanna have to carry around an NFC key all the time, but I am grateful for the functionality and would like to use the NFC chip in my phone instead please
The strap is a safety feature that keeps the latch engaged if it were to unlatch, even though it's very unlikely. They said they will introduce the Phantom 2.0 line with "founders edition" being black, but if there's enough support, they may keep it that way. ua-cam.com/users/livefd4poPGyjNM?si=8y35wBV0cAEfYp_X&t=322 Register for pre-order access if you want to secure the black color.
@@eddiexe. Thank you, maybe it is a legal liability thing since there was an issue of the latch coming undone on the 1.0 version of the phantom. Going forward, they may be required to include that now, who knows It’s just that in a lot of marketing, and with other scooters they sell, the strap doesn’t seem to be needed. Very cool to hear about the founders edition. I am registered for email updates, but I will go double check to see if there’s anything else I need to sign up for. I’m not a fan of the orange at all and just want black.
About the strap... I have an original Pro(IndieGoGo order with no guarantee that I'd even get one. lol)... that has no strap. But now, it comes with it, and they say you can't add it to the original because there's no holes for it.. what a lame assed..... never mind, back to the issue at hand... Working backwards, they have a few ways to keep the latch latched. lets just assume that for some weird reason the latch opens... the design keeps the hook in a latched position so the stem can't fold down... very shaky but, as I said, I'm working backwards. For that to even occur, the button on the latch needs to be depressed, while at the same time, applying significant force to move the latch into an unlocked position. That ends the previous version of the latch. SO... someone, somewhere, must have hit something, and it not only depressed the button, but also forced the latch into the unlock position, so they added the strap to keep the lever up, no matter if something was trying to pull it down... so the strap stops that from happening. Triple redundant failsafes. So far, so good. Now, about not being able to retrofit a strap... stupid! Just make a strap appropriate to the intended model, and slap it on. or, a strip of double sided velcro to wrap around the latch.(shame on Apollo for not doing something so obvious for their customers). And, moving a step further... why a rubber strap that will wear out, or age out, when a simple curved lever could do the same, and not be a wearable part? Apollo has made me nervous by introducing the strap, so, since I rarely(never) need to fold my stem, I have wrapped a piece of wire(coat hanger) around the latch of my Pro... (is it REALLY so vulnerable to unlatching? if so, the design/engineering is BADLY FLAWED).
Yes, look on their website by comparing the two. The stellar is better in all specs except range, but that's because pro is slower. Stellar has more range for the same speed, more capacity, more power, better technology overall.
In the video they clealry talk about the Phantom V4X. They repeat V4X a few times. The V4X has tubeless tires, unlike the V4, and obviously doesn't have split rims. Splits rims are for tubes. The Phantom you see in the video on the left is a V4X.
@@willybaldy1999 spilt rim or not. He said @6:48 the deck has to be removed just to change the tires on the V4X. That’s a lot of work just to change the tire. Mind you I have Teverun supreme that actually has a split rim motor and it’s tubeless.
@@mobettaspice There's a few exceptions but most tubeless tires aren't on split rims. It's pretty standard to have to remove the deck to reach the battery on a lot of e-scooters. Some e-scooters like yours and my Teverun Blade GT+ 2 have quick plugs that allows you to remove the tires without reaching the battery, but it's not the norm. On the Apollo City and Phantom V4X yes sadly you need to remove the deck an reach the battery.
@@willybaldy1999 it’s not the norm but totally understandable. I have a very rare case with it being a split rim and tubeless. I’ll see how difficult it will be when I put on the PMT tires on my Teverun this week. But the way the V4X looks bad ass. I had the V3.
Hey! Basically the controller is 30A per side, so at nominal 52V, the output is 1560W per motor! When the scooter is fully charged, at 58.8V, the Max motor output is 1750W per motor!
@@BlackgoldTwinduck You are mistaken. The regular Phantom 2.0 will have mechanical disk brakes while the Stellar will have hydraulic. Did you watch the whole video?
@@willybaldy1999 I'd suggest avoiding the standard disc brakes. First thing I did was replace them with a set of Nutt hydraulics, installed them myself in a few hours. The original disc brakes were imprecise, noisy, always got dirty, had to be adjusted constantly. I'd take drum brakes over regular disc brakes any day - especially with dedicated regen like my V3 Phantom.
@@NunchucksHabit A lot of people said they'd prefer disk brakes over drum brakes, can't please everyone I guess. The solution is to get the Stellar which will have hydraulic.
No. That feature overheats and overloads the controller so it will remain white for this model. Stay with the Pro if you want colors! Form and function over overstylized aesthetics...
Not sure why you'd want that, aside from letting a kid or new rider use your scoot. That said, maybe a better idea would be to lock the scoot into it's current settings, making any and all 'gear changes' impossible... that way, you're not only locking out Ludo, but locking IN your desired settings.
@@BorealisNights my usecase for this is to avoid getting fined by the cops. Sometimes they take your scooter, put in on a test rig and test the speed. By having to use the nfc i would just quickly turn off/on the scooter (without the nfc) so its back to "default" & legal speeds, therefore passing the speedtest
NFC locking, thank you! I will use this all the time!
I wish you guys would support the products you sell by having replacement parts. I have been waiting for a replacement head unit to become available for my V2 for more than 6 months now. Nice that you are releasing new models, but supporting older models would create a more trusting relationship with your customers.
Funny you mention this because I have read numerous complaints regarding the same sentiment from owner complaints and not helpful customer support. I’ve been in the market for a new scooter and considered the phantom v4, but since did not buy anything because of these complaints I’ve read.
I hope they improve and assist you further in the parts you need.
I would like to see removable batteries on the next version. Great scooter though.
Removable auxiliary battery on the stem would be interesting. When I go to work, I cannot bring that huge scooter inside, but a detachable one like on my electric bike would be great. Plus in child weather, could stay warm inside. Managing both batteries together would probably an interesting challenge.
I love what you guys do with modular upgrades. When you come out with new features for a given model, you offer upgrade kits. This lets folks stay up to date with the latest and greatest without having to throw down cash for a whole new scooter.
Hey man! Yes definitely, this is really important to us!💪
Greetings, I would like to offer a suggestion based on my experience. I suggest paying close attention to the parts of the design that protrude excessively. While it looks attractive and futuristic, the junction between the handlebar and the stem could become dangerous in case of an emergency. I believe that an impact with these prominent edges on the chest or face could be hazardous.
Why name the new scooter the "Phantom 2.0"? If a new generation of a scooter doesn't even resemble its predecessor, and doesn't share much of its DNA, it's NOT really in the same family...is it?? The new Phantom 2.0 looks like it was deserving of its own/new name, and if anything, it looks like an offspring of the Apollo Pro. Maybe do a DNA test and see who the TRUE father of this great looking scooter new scooter, actually is?
@@onceuponareset-ho7fg definitely a lil pro.
I think cause phantom is a cool name and sells well so they wanted to keep it
It’s not about sharing DNA, it’s about occupying the same place in the market.
Same reason GM has been making a “Corvette” since 1953.
It needs to be BLACK and have the name PHANTOM on it
Yep, that would look better. I'm not a fan of the "K-Mart grey", 80s furniture color. Wonder what it would cost to add some Nami-style dark grey/black.
@@NunchucksHabit Noted
my only complaint is i like the more blacked out spec-ops military look of the v1 over the v2
Improved cruise control. Have a bi-directional cruise control. How this works is that as a rider in the app, I set “float in MPH or KMH”. What this does is set the maximum overspeed the scooter will go before it starts using regenerative braking when the scooter has cruise control engaged. Example I set float for 2MPH. I am then running and engage my cruise control when my scooter is traveling at 25MPH. If I hit a down hill and the scooter starts coasting, when the speed exceeds 27mph, the scooter will automatically start applying regenerative braking to maintain a speed of 27MPH maximum on the down hill section and will start applying power to maintain at least 25MPH when the slope of the hill no longer pushes the scooter forward at a speed greater then 25MPH.
Nice idea, and I approve this message... that said, it's a fair ways down my list of issues. AND.... this is the danger of your cure.... the scoot suddenly putting on the brakes without my input, severely increases the danger of folks flying over the bars and landing on their faces.
You might say, that regen would be soft, so not likely to throw the rider forward but, the situation you describe has a rider already tilted forward, as the hill you want to keep speed on has already occurred, so you're already in a situation vulnerable to head over heels consequences.
You call it 'bi-directional cruise control'... but I think what you're wanting is what is called in the auto industry as 'hill decent control'... in other words, what you want is to be able to use cruise, with a speed limiter to enforce a max speed, using regen.
Self braking might be OK in a car, where your own body isn't a part of the equation, but on a scoot, it's a whole different story.
@@BorealisNightsimagine also hitting a pothole or like a front/back wave in the road at exactly the same time.
Our family has three *Apollo Go 2024* dual motors! Love the regen brakes they never wear out and they charge the battery) one can pry them from our hands😅 however, might have to sell one for this Phantom. Just saying!😊
Are you actually having good luck with the Apollo Go? I've been afraid to pull the trigger on an Apollo scooter, because of all of the many horror stories I've been seeing with godawful customer service experiences.
You’ll have to sell all three lol. I have the go. First batch 1/24. 1200 miles so far. I’m definitely upgrading in the spring25
@@onceuponareset-ho7fg so far no problems I've contacted them 4 or 5 times with questions and they got back immediately and walked me through some things. On their Channel there's tutorials for every single thing on the Apollo go. I dropped one of my Apollo Goes on its handle and using the great tutorials I took the handle apart and soldered a couple throttle wires that split when the handle fell back to new! That would have not been covered by warranty. They got bad press in the past but I think they really worked hard on rectifying that.
@@mikehagquist5198 I love my Goes 2024 and as I mentioned on this thread the many repair tutorials on their channel for this specific scooter. I was looking at one of the repair tutorials on getting to the rear shocks because I was thinking of lubing them and checking them out. Oh my goodness that's a lot of work just to get in there. Big C clamps required to reassemble are required and lots of removing stuff. some other scooters the springs or rear shocks are right in view and can be adjusted and lubed instantly
I would of preferred drum brake.
Me too
Great video. I'm looking forward to upgrading from my V2 to the Steller.
Any chance the new tires will be vulcanized rubber like a car or motorcycle instead of nylon. Self healing is good but a tougher tire will help prevent punctures in the first place. I'm tired of fixing flats. I hope they are still using split rims.
You're confused about what nylon means for tires. They're all rubber.
@@hyperstimmed
Oh! Didn't realize that. Thanks
Since you have lots of telemetry in your scooter hardware now, make sure you update your App to ensure that this information is also helpful to the rider. Example bar graphs on the app in real time that show motor, controller and battery (if you have this) temps. Green, yellow and red so we as riders can see that we should back off a bit before the protection circuitry will have to engage. Would also be nice if you can grab altitude or angle of attack (with a clinometer in the scooter) to map speed, acceleration, vertical altitude change, etc over a ride along with current and outside and component temperatures. Good performance metrics like a formula 1 race car for riders to look at. People would really enjoy this I think and you data mine valuable performance and rider use data to use in future design projects.
A huge reason people should wait for the 2.0 - IP66. You can ride the 2.0 in the driving rain. The V3 Phantom has IP54, which is 'splash resistant'. If you get caught in the rain on your V3/V4x and the $1100 battery pack is ruined, no warranty will cover you.
What's the ground clearance & expected weight of the 2.0 Stellar?
Will the steering dampener be an accessory for the Stellar? At what speed do testers believe a steering dampener is advised? The V3 doesn't exactly purr > 60km/h.
Will users be able to configure which wheel gets the most throttle? Such as a Nami Klima Max - in the rain, you can configure it to use 20% : 80% front wheel : back wheel.
I believe the dampener is standard on the Stellar, and an option on the base model.
As for what speed a dampener is needed, I believe a well designed/engineered scooter shouldn't need one. I have a Pro, and maxed out on Ludo, I have never had even a hint of wobble/shake/shimmy/whatever you wanna call it.
I think the problem is with the rake(angle of stem/wheel), because a higher angle of rake helps, but, with a scoot, that higher angle pushes the handlebars too far into the rider position.
That said, Apollo is trying to make that angle as high as they can, while not intruding too far into the rider position.
As for 'purring', my Pro purrs just fine at top speed.(70+k/h).✌🏼🇨🇦
Edit--- I'm not sure, but rider weight might have something to do with steering issues. I'm a lightweight at 170lbs. I have heard(seen on Tube vids), that with motorcycles, when a wobble occurs, they say(who are 'they'? lol) that leaning forward(putting as much weight as possible on the front), is the 'best practice', to survive the situation and bring the cycle back under control... so maybe, on scoots, weight has a role to play when it comes to steering issues.(HEY, Apollo, get on testing this issue!).
Oh, I also 'heard' that leprechauns are gonna give me a pile of gold. lol.
@@BorealisNights I'm not sure why so many people have stem issues. With the V3 Phantom, you have to get good at maintenance - but 99% of that is going around the scooter & tightening bolts. If you don't touch a single bolt on your V3 for about 500kms, I can almost guarantee you almost every last one of them will be loose.
I routinely (once a week or so) fold the stem down, spray some white lithium grease on the 2 clamps & tighten the bolts. I tighten the fold down clamp just enough so I'm barely able to close it. After looking for the source of the creaks, I found it was the handlebars. I wasn't removing the two bolts holding the light fixture on & tightening the 2 bolts beneath it. That solved my issue.
I'm 5'9", about 195lbs, and with almost 6k kms on my Phantom, advice I picked up when you know you don't have time to avoid a bump, you're supposed to crouch backwards & if you have enough strength, to try to pop the front wheel up a bit so you hit the majority of the bump with your back wheel. I thought that would destroy my stem, but nope - I have the older V3 where you have the 12mm stem bolt exposed at the base of the stem, and I've never had to tighten it. I even bought a special pack of heavy hex bolt wrenches just so I'd have the 12mm one.
Every month or so, I'll tighten every exposed bolt - from the wheel lugs, to the torx screws/bolts on the platform, working my way up - I tighten the ones holding the controller in underneath, all the brake bolts, the mystery bolts on the stem that only plug in sideways, the handlebar clamp & its 4 bolts, everything down to the brake levers. I did all that yesterday, and with 5700kms on my V3 Phantom, I went for a pre-dawn ride today & it was as quiet as the day I got it. Trick with the Phantom V3 was, so make the suspension springs nice and loose on the front wheel, but hard on the back. I think that's the approach they took with the Pro. It forgave harsh bumps but you never lost control of the back end. I top up the tires to 50psi every day I ride.
As far as steering issues, I've found it to be stable up to about 62km/h, but the front feels a little light after that. With my 10" tires, I expect them to give up around that point. I've had it going 71km/h, but even if I could, I wouldn't got faster on something as light as that with such tiny tires. I'm not sure what 11" tires would be like with the same wheelbase, but I'm assuming it'd be a bit better. I always wondered how the Pro, with its 12" tires, handled speeds like 70km/h - and frankly, I was wondering why the new Phantom didn't get 12" tires instead of the 11" it's getting. Perhaps it's cannibalizing the Pro market too much, perhaps it's a "smaller should also mean more nimble" intent. Steering damper doesn't bother me at all, I just think of the extra weight & how much it sticks out when I put the scooter in the back of my car.
Maybe it gives better stability when going fast on rough roads and allows to release a hand?
How about keeping the drum for the regular and having the disc for the stellar?
The stellar looks so awesome, love those videos and engineering. Unfortunately, this is out of my budget, so will just but a used v3 or something like this. I have a city pro 2022 and missing a bit of range.
What happened to the Mach3? That was one of the initial features of the Phantom 2.
As a Pro owner, I ALWAYS use regen brake. It is just as strong when you are responsibly riding. I don't even use drum braking. If you want disk braking because it looks cool, you are wasting your own time and money. I'll digress, I'm not riding at 65-70 km/h any long period of time. Who is? I don't feel the dampener is necessary, except for the people willing to pay more for it? The Pro is PRO for a reason.
However, I will warn purchasers against buying after market parts. I ordered a Quadlock Samsung case, and mirrors, which I have not received at this time.
If you're not going to ride it fast, at least you get more range. Seems like if you just want a scooter that does 100km at 30km/h, you need to but one that can do 100km/h max speed.
Thanks for the informative video !
It is a pleasure mate
Bigger more stable tires will always be useful , in cities 10x3 is way too small 11x4 is a step in the right direction
Hopefully they will offer some type of discount for V1 phantom owners who want to upgrade.
This is a great idea
Loved the video. Where did you get those sandals? I really liked them. Thx!
The tilting headlight is a nice thing. However I see it as a potential weak point if it is not really well engineered. Parts breaking, wearing out or it getting floppy and not holding position. Test this for many, many repositionings to make sure it doesn’t get loose or brake.
I’m curious what’s the new price point will be
At 00:13 isn’t that promo image just the Pro? You can tell by the grab handle on the back of the deck plate.
It was a mistake..
@@eloipecquet oh alllll the comments of mine I finally got blessed with a reply to…of course it would be this one lol. Well, thanks Eloi :)
Is there going to be an offer to swap our phantom 1.0 to the 2.0? :)
I am a loyal fan and own the phantom v3. I hope your company will continue give back to customer and allow us to do a trade in program. They can still make profit and sell the refurbished model keeping both old and new customers happy allowing for customers to get a already great scooter at a more affordable price
There never do it.. 😂 it's all about profit and money...
Most used Phantoms aren't worth the cost of shipping & appraising them. Refurbs might do ok, but I'd see that as a wasp's nest of complaints & bad reviews & petty nonsense. I'll keep a scooter for a year (maybe a little longer) then sell it for $1k. Unless it's got like < 500kms on it, I wouldn't buy used without test riding it first.
Still in need of a loud horn for cities. Surely a simple addition?
Definitely
There will be a 60v version? any chance there will be disc brakes?
well, my question was answered, thanks
I would like to be able to change the color of the lights
Gotta get a Pro for that!
How much does the Phantom 2.0 weigh?
I've been hoping to hear this - especially for the Stellar version. I'd also like to know what the ground clearance will be like.
For the 1.0 prototype, I believe they said 90 pounds. But for the 2.0, and onward, they have already made some changes where they have mentioned that some additional weight has been shaved off. So I would say 85+ pounds?
@@angelodepaolo Thank you, that's welcome news. I knew the larger, better battery array would mean more weight, but when you see the Nami Burn-E2 Max weighing 107lbs, you see it's possible to have lower weight and power/range. I'm really happy Apollo are focusing on these as scooters. Not that I often do, I like to be able to fold my scooter & put it in my car. To do that, I'm hoping the scooter isn't much heavier than 100lbs. I like the adjustable headlight - but I wonder if that's a future source of rattling or stripped bolts from trying to keep it from rattling. I do hope the new light is > 1k lumens. I intend to put a light rack on the stem of my next scooter (I don't want clutter on the handlebars).
@@NunchucksHabit yeah, I’m totally with you, I need the portability, absolutely. These guys seem to be very Applesque with using a shit ton of superlatives every time they describe every spec….
But at least with Apple, they also give you hard numbers too
The headlight is a good example, I keep hearing how “bright “it is but I never hear any lumen numbers.
@@angelodepaolo It's hard to get everyone ready for the latest model while not making the original sound like a turd, lol. I usually skip the introductions for stuff like this since they could change so much about it based on what people say before production is underway.
There are many people out there who crap on the company, and I suppose they have their reasons, it seems many don't. I want to see it do well, especially if they're innovating. One thing I never got to try was the drum brakes - I know people hated them on paper, but I heard that once they were broken in, they were fantastic. I put hydraulics on my V3 Phantom but I only have them for emergencies. In my 5700km + I have on it, I've used my brakes maybe 5 times. Otherwise, it's been regen, which destroys all other braking systems, except in emergency braking.
There's always something I have to crap on though - and it's only petty - the cadence of the stress order in the word 'Apollo' is supposed to be on the second syllable, no matter what language it's spoken in, and for some dumb reason I can't stand to hear it stressed on the first syllable. Something everyone I know from Montreal does - whatever the intended stress syllable is, plan on it landing on another syllable. Plus the fact they drop H's where they should be & vice-versa. e.g., "You have wonderful eyes" becomes, "You 'ave wondERful highs".
It’s a 5 month wait if you pre order in October. I want to know the price
Hey! Pre order price will be around 2300$ for the 52V and 3300$ for the 60V
It would be cool if there's a hydraulic version of the phantom 2.0
There is, it's in the video. The Stellar version.
@@willybaldy1999 oh. That's cool. Maybe I should save up for one!
If someone already owns a pro theoretically can I put Mac three controller and 60V in the pros frame? Would it be compatible.
Hey! You will also need to replace the motor & the battery!
is the work stand included?
Haha not at the moment ;-) !
But I think we should sell those, they are super handy
Why does the Phantom 2.0 always have that strap around the locking bar mechanism? Is it simply because you are still prototyping, or will the final version need that strap all the time?
I don’t know anything about disc brakes vs drum brakes. But I do know that I don’t want to have to baby and maintain my scooter all the time, so if I upgrade to the hydraulic brakes by buying the stellar version, is one of the benefits of hydraulic that it has less maintenance?
Would you please, please address the fact that many of us keep asking for all black parts? I don’t want something that looks like a clone of the Pro, even if it did win a Red Dot Award. The 2.0 scooter is beautiful on its own, and I am a big fan of all-black. Please allow an all-black version.
Will we be able to use the NFC capability in our iPhones to lock or start the scooter? I don’t wanna have to carry around an NFC key all the time, but I am grateful for the functionality and would like to use the NFC chip in my phone instead please
The strap is a safety feature that keeps the latch engaged if it were to unlatch, even though it's very unlikely. They said they will introduce the Phantom 2.0 line with "founders edition" being black, but if there's enough support, they may keep it that way. ua-cam.com/users/livefd4poPGyjNM?si=8y35wBV0cAEfYp_X&t=322
Register for pre-order access if you want to secure the black color.
@@eddiexe. Thank you, maybe it is a legal liability thing since there was an issue of the latch coming undone on the 1.0 version of the phantom. Going forward, they may be required to include that now, who knows
It’s just that in a lot of marketing, and with other scooters they sell, the strap doesn’t seem to be needed.
Very cool to hear about the founders edition. I am registered for email updates, but I will go double check to see if there’s anything else I need to sign up for. I’m not a fan of the orange at all and just want black.
@@angelodepaolo My City 2024 has the same strap, it's a new addition to most of their models purchased since May.
About the strap...
I have an original Pro(IndieGoGo order with no guarantee that I'd even get one. lol)... that has no strap.
But now, it comes with it, and they say you can't add it to the original because there's no holes for it.. what a lame assed..... never mind, back to the issue at hand...
Working backwards, they have a few ways to keep the latch latched.
lets just assume that for some weird reason the latch opens... the design keeps the hook in a latched position so the stem can't fold down... very shaky but, as I said, I'm working backwards.
For that to even occur, the button on the latch needs to be depressed, while at the same time, applying significant force to move the latch into an unlocked position.
That ends the previous version of the latch.
SO... someone, somewhere, must have hit something, and it not only depressed the button, but also forced the latch into the unlock position, so they added the strap to keep the lever up, no matter if something was trying to pull it down... so the strap stops that from happening.
Triple redundant failsafes. So far, so good.
Now, about not being able to retrofit a strap... stupid! Just make a strap appropriate to the intended model, and slap it on. or, a strip of double sided velcro to wrap around the latch.(shame on Apollo for not doing something so obvious for their customers).
And, moving a step further... why a rubber strap that will wear out, or age out, when a simple curved lever could do the same, and not be a wearable part?
Apollo has made me nervous by introducing the strap, so, since I rarely(never) need to fold my stem, I have wrapped a piece of wire(coat hanger) around the latch of my Pro... (is it REALLY so vulnerable to unlatching? if so, the design/engineering is BADLY FLAWED).
@@willybaldy1999 ah ok. I see. I got to tell you, as one of the uninitiated… It is very troubling to see it. But thanks for the context.
How about a price?
I'm assuming it's gonna be marked around $3,000.00. 😂😂😂
Really wish shipping is faster
Are the phantom 2.0 tires tubeless?
Yep! Self healing!
So the stellar 2.0 is actually better than the pro correct? Kind of suck as I just bought the pro
Yes, look on their website by comparing the two. The stellar is better in all specs except range, but that's because pro is slower. Stellar has more range for the same speed, more capacity, more power, better technology overall.
Stellar won't be out till mid '25.. you still having a Pro, have the best for still another year.
@@JahBlessdyeah, plus you can change led colors on the pro, can't do this on the phantom!
Wait! @6:48 you’re saying you have to remove the deck to change the tire? I thought it had a split rim?
In the video they clealry talk about the Phantom V4X. They repeat V4X a few times. The V4X has tubeless tires, unlike the V4, and obviously doesn't have split rims. Splits rims are for tubes. The Phantom you see in the video on the left is a V4X.
@@willybaldy1999 spilt rim or not. He said @6:48 the deck has to be removed just to change the tires on the V4X. That’s a lot of work just to change the tire. Mind you I have Teverun supreme that actually has a split rim motor and it’s tubeless.
@@mobettaspice There's a few exceptions but most tubeless tires aren't on split rims. It's pretty standard to have to remove the deck to reach the battery on a lot of e-scooters. Some e-scooters like yours and my Teverun Blade GT+ 2 have quick plugs that allows you to remove the tires without reaching the battery, but it's not the norm. On the Apollo City and Phantom V4X yes sadly you need to remove the deck an reach the battery.
@@willybaldy1999 it’s not the norm but totally understandable. I have a very rare case with it being a split rim and tubeless. I’ll see how difficult it will be when I put on the PMT tires on my Teverun this week. But the way the V4X looks bad ass. I had the V3.
The way you explained the motor power, was as if 1400w is the power of the scooter. Say it's in both motors or times two so noobs know
Hey!
Basically the controller is 30A per side, so at nominal 52V, the output is 1560W per motor!
When the scooter is fully charged, at 58.8V, the Max motor output is 1750W per motor!
a more appropriate name might be the: Suburban
dissapointed with the change to disc from drum brakes. Can't please everyone though
thats why you have the choice, the regular phantom 2.0 will have drum while the stellar trim will have disc
@@BlackgoldTwinduck You are mistaken. The regular Phantom 2.0 will have mechanical disk brakes while the Stellar will have hydraulic. Did you watch the whole video?
@@willybaldy1999 I'd suggest avoiding the standard disc brakes. First thing I did was replace them with a set of Nutt hydraulics, installed them myself in a few hours. The original disc brakes were imprecise, noisy, always got dirty, had to be adjusted constantly. I'd take drum brakes over regular disc brakes any day - especially with dedicated regen like my V3 Phantom.
@@NunchucksHabit A lot of people said they'd prefer disk brakes over drum brakes, can't please everyone I guess. The solution is to get the Stellar which will have hydraulic.
Yeah for real
Please put the option to change the colors of the phantom lights like in the pro. I am very interested in buying it.
No. That feature overheats and overloads the controller so it will remain white for this model.
Stay with the Pro if you want colors!
Form and function over overstylized aesthetics...
Wow Go #Apollo - $$
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would anyone want to see that only by using the nfc you can enter ludo mode or am i alone with this request?
Not sure why you'd want that, aside from letting a kid or new rider use your scoot.
That said, maybe a better idea would be to lock the scoot into it's current settings, making any and all 'gear changes' impossible... that way, you're not only locking out Ludo, but locking IN your desired settings.
@@BorealisNights my usecase for this is to avoid getting fined by the cops. Sometimes they take your scooter, put in on a test rig and test the speed. By having to use the nfc i would just quickly turn off/on the scooter (without the nfc) so its back to "default" & legal speeds, therefore passing the speedtest