How I install joist hangers for the porch on our log cabin. Verify gage block is the same dimensions as the joists you are installing. Rough Cut Homestead
A few corrections, those do not appear to be structural screws. Screws for outdoor decks when using joist hangers must use structural screws or structural nails. Second correction every hole on that hanger must have a screw. The 45 degree holes on that hanger must have a minimum 3 inch fastener, short screws or nails are not allowed.
Not entirely accurate. You only need 1.5s on the cross screws if its not going through the ledger into a band joist. 3s around here anyways are very rarely used. Only some decks that require some engineering. 2.5s are fine on the cross holes when its going through the ledger.
When it comes to DIY home repair, or even apprentice workers trying to learn, videos like this are an invaluable asset. I thank you for what you do and for what you are willing to teach.
Got a little tip for you. Those tabs on the top on each side you Hammer them in and the bracket will stay in place and won't have to worry about your screw falling off your drill tip
Just what I needed. I am building a small deck on the front of my "she shed" and I could NOT for the life of me get those hangers on properly. Your tips will help! Thank you!
Thanks bro, I often forget about those hangers, I tend to do things wood on wood. But when they can be used they save a lot of extra work and timber too I guess. God bless you out there.
Howdy Mr. Duke- mighty good tips you’re sharing for sure. Can’t wait to see the porch all fixed up and you asittin on it. Have a great weekend and God bless y’all
Good morning Mr Duke enjoy the video I have use them on shed on the floor hope didn't get any bad weather your way have a beautiful bless day be safe. 👍👍👍
Perfect! Yeah they make #10 joist hanger nails and joist hanger screws. Im not sure what type of screws those are..(galvanised decking screws?) Alot if those dont have she shear strength for the application. If you can put it in a vice and break the head off easily theyre not the best. But theyre good enough for the girls i go out with. Lol. Have a great weekend ole duke. 🌄🍺👍👍🐕🐟
Here's the correct screws to use in the application: www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-10-x-2-1-2-in-1-4-Hex-Drive-Strong-Drive-SD-Connector-Screw-100-Pack-SD10212R100-R/206101776 Just learned this myself. I've done a job or two before just using exterior screws, but this is the proper screw to use. You need the 2.5" screws to go in the joist, but you can use 1.5" to attach the hanger to the ledger board. Good luck with your projects!
Wow Man I wish I’d been shown this years ago. I just kind of figured out how to use them by myself but I never did figure out how to get em right. I really appreciate it.
Good Tip Brother. I love this things. I used to just nail in through the face board....these make a big difference and a stronger build. I can not wait until you get that porch done...that will be nice!!
Thats good advice. I am going to be replacing my front porch in the near future, prob after new year's and Im worried as wood working is not my strong point. Thanks for the helpful tip!
I always don't the 2nd way you showed.. treated lumber has a tendency to be plus or minus a 1/8. Then you make sure your flush on top.... I like that HAMMER ya got.
the lumber I'm using came from one stack and they measured all the same...but yeah they can vary....I have some beams in the porch and can't screw from the backside...that hammer has two ball bearings in the claw that are spring loaded!
Great video. Just FYI, screws are not meant for holding weight. They shear easily-brittle. You want nails. The screws you are using are called decking screws. Meant to hold decking planks down.
they can vary especially with pressure treated lumber....when you buy lumber and it comes from the same stack its usually the same....its a good idea to look at the boards before you mount the hangers
I'm arizona you must use teco nails or approved fasteners it's not up to you what screw or nails you like..here ypu will be taking everything apart if you out of compliance with the fastener
Well, that is what I was doing at first, nailing the clips into place, but honestly, they were slipping out and didn't seem very effective. So I like his version better: screw first and then you can nail the clips into place.
@Thrift Diving I find it way easier using them. Once nailed, you no longer need a piece of wood for placement. Hold it and start a screw on either side. Also I depends on how much space you have. I did that in a crawlspace and made everything super easy
@@RuffCut I know they have screws that can be used which are equivalent to nails now but, I wouldn't use them. The simpson joist screws are another story. They look solid AF
You have got to be kidding me. Is this a comedy video? You CAN NOT install hangers with screws unless they are structural by joist manufacturer. For all of the comments below about how this is a great learning video or best way - read the hanger manufacturer installation it says nails and specific gauge of nails.
Terrible demo. The screws should be Simpson engineering screws, not decking screws. The angled screws should be Simpson 1025 2.5 inches long. Lastly, screw a short 1x1 on top of the joist to hold it while you do the work.
Yes, you are correct. On the box of the joist hanger it will tell you what screws or nails to use. I wouldn't call this a terrible demo. That's being mean for no reason. The tip about squaring them up was exactly what I needed since I was having a heck of a time getting my joist hangers on (first timer). But I do agree that the 2.5 Simpson Strong Tie screws are used to toenail the joist hangers, as well as 1.5" Simpson Strong Tie screws for the other 4 slots.
Wrong fasteners for code, all 2 x's tend to vary so to use one block to do all is incorrect procedure. Putting them on like this will certainly leave some gaps to the 2x's and in such will not pass code. Nice try tho.
i do it exactly the same way, except i drop everything in the dirt two or three times.
I do too...just didn't video that part!
Some foul language helps with that
A few corrections, those do not appear to be structural screws. Screws for outdoor decks when using joist hangers must use structural screws or structural nails. Second correction every hole on that hanger must have a screw. The 45 degree holes on that hanger must have a minimum 3 inch fastener, short screws or nails are not allowed.
Not entirely accurate. You only need 1.5s on the cross screws if its not going through the ledger into a band joist. 3s around here anyways are very rarely used. Only some decks that require some engineering. 2.5s are fine on the cross holes when its going through the ledger.
When it comes to DIY home repair, or even apprentice workers trying to learn, videos like this are an invaluable asset. I thank you for what you do and for what you are willing to teach.
Thank you for saying so Billy...your comment is much appreciated
I am always hold 3-4 screws in my mouth as I'm doing this type thing. Never realized the spit helped the screw stay on the screw-gun tip.
it works pretty good!
Got a little tip for you. Those tabs on the top on each side you Hammer them in and the bracket will stay in place and won't have to worry about your screw falling off your drill tip
they dont stay on the mark or I would use them
Just what I needed. I am building a small deck on the front of my "she shed" and I could NOT for the life of me get those hangers on properly. Your tips will help! Thank you!
Thanks bro, I often forget about those hangers, I tend to do things wood on wood. But when they can be used they save a lot of extra work and timber too I guess. God bless you out there.
yeah we use to use 2x2 for a ledge years ago and they worked fine
No messing about. Straight to the point. An old school builder like myself. Job done properly.
Very good video. Thanks.
thanks Tony
Howdy Mr. Duke- mighty good tips you’re sharing for sure. Can’t wait to see the porch all fixed up and you asittin on it. Have a great weekend and God bless y’all
Yes Sir....first thing we re going to do is get a family picture and fry fish..... Lord's blessings Bro. Paul
Good morning Mr Duke enjoy the video I have use them on shed on the floor hope didn't get any bad weather your way have a beautiful bless day be safe. 👍👍👍
the storm stayed to the east of us....Thanks Waterbug
Perfect! Yeah they make #10 joist hanger nails and joist hanger screws. Im not sure what type of screws those are..(galvanised decking screws?) Alot if those dont have she shear strength for the application. If you can put it in a vice and break the head off easily theyre not the best. But theyre good enough for the girls i go out with. Lol. Have a great weekend ole duke. 🌄🍺👍👍🐕🐟
Robert, are you telling me if we have a hoedown at the cabin we might be in trouble??? :)
@@RuffCut anything under 1000lbs per square foot, your good. Lol
@@rheidtech haaha we're good...running bout 300 per 2 square feet lol
Here's the correct screws to use in the application: www.homedepot.com/p/Simpson-Strong-Tie-10-x-2-1-2-in-1-4-Hex-Drive-Strong-Drive-SD-Connector-Screw-100-Pack-SD10212R100-R/206101776 Just learned this myself. I've done a job or two before just using exterior screws, but this is the proper screw to use. You need the 2.5" screws to go in the joist, but you can use 1.5" to attach the hanger to the ledger board. Good luck with your projects!
Wow Man I wish I’d been shown this years ago. I just kind of figured out how to use them by myself but I never did figure out how to get em right. I really appreciate it.
It's all good on the Corner!
Pretty sure those little tabs at the top are for whackin when you get it lined up to keep it in place before you nail it off.
Good tips there Mr. Duke.
I’ve always installed the joists first then the hangers.
yeah for me it depends on if I have help or if i am mounting to a beam. Thank you Jeff...looking to see what the metal contraption is!
Rough Cut Homestead I’ll get that out this weekend Mr. Duke
Good Tip Brother. I love this things. I used to just nail in through the face board....these make a big difference and a stronger build. I can not wait until you get that porch done...that will be nice!!
Morning Brother...I got all the hangers installed and ready to drop the joists....got two new tires and ready to ride today!
@@RuffCut Morning!!! Heck Yeah!! Very Cool, have a great ride, I sure do miss doing that!!
You know the little v's on top of each side of the hanger are made to be hammered into wood to set your position.
you can use them
They also add a little strength since they are on an angle. Definitely should be used.
Great, nice and simple explanation. Looks very solid, thanks for sharing 👍🏿
Thanks...and you're Welcome
Great tips. Those hangers can come in pretty handy! Good video. God bless y’all
Thank you!
Wish I would have watched your video before I hung my hangers... Now I have to make adjustments. Good video ✊
check and see if your joists measure the same top to bottom...some measurements vary with pressure treated lumber Thanks
Thats good advice. I am going to be replacing my front porch in the near future, prob after new year's and Im worried as wood working is not my strong point. Thanks for the helpful tip!
I bet you will do just fine!
This fella isn’t drinking moonshine is he.😂
great video duke take care and god bless
Thanks Larry
You did it wrong! You should install them twisted one way or the other to match the warped lumber they sell nowadays.
need blocks for left hand and right hand twist!
I always don't the 2nd way you showed.. treated lumber has a tendency to be plus or minus a 1/8. Then you make sure your flush on top.... I like that HAMMER ya got.
the lumber I'm using came from one stack and they measured all the same...but yeah they can vary....I have some beams in the porch and can't screw from the backside...that hammer has two ball bearings in the claw that are spring loaded!
Great video. Just FYI, screws are not meant for holding weight. They shear easily-brittle. You want nails. The screws you are using are called decking screws. Meant to hold decking planks down.
I addressed the issue in the video
Structural screws can be used. Nails are the common structural method as they support weights better. This type of screw is not for load bearing.
Yes Sir good advice
You are supposed to fasten the joist to the ledger before you attach the joist hanger
you don' know what you're looking at
A great video on how not to use joist hangers😂
I do this with nails, and we gotta line em up with drywall in mind. I do that “square” trick every hanger. Good advice.
Thanks
The screws won't pass an building inspection.
yes
thumbs up shared both ways will work just fine good job
yeah sometimes you can't use the second method when attached to a beam...Thanks Drew
Hammering in the set prongs can save you from fumbling screws
lol when I hear that I know its coming from an electrician trainee
@@RuffCut actually, a jack of all trades looking to master at least one 😂
@@lalva5798 anytime you hammer in the prongs it moves the hanger off the mark
@@RuffCut maybe my skills are at another level 🤣
That's good, but screws have very little shear strength. Use a hanger nail gun and you never look back.
Yes sir coming together just fine.
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Yes Sir...got a lot of joists to set now that the hangers are in place....Thanks Reaper
Awesome video man, I waa wanting to know why you had the hanger to the right of the line and down the center of the line? Im a beginner, thanks
Good tips Duke
Thanks Duane
I like the idea of using that jig. Get someone to hold your beer. Why did you take it out before you put the second screw in ?
it makes a tighter fit if the jig is not there
Use better screws for sure.
yes
also supposed to use 2-1/2" screws into the slots for them.
Pre-hanging the hangers, is all wood the same size in a given size?
they can vary especially with pressure treated lumber....when you buy lumber and it comes from the same stack its usually the same....its a good idea to look at the boards before you mount the hangers
Thanks, this was very helpful
you're Welcome
I'm arizona you must use teco nails or approved fasteners it's not up to you what screw or nails you like..here ypu will be taking everything apart if you out of compliance with the fastener
I'm building a 16x32 deck and bought 2x10 ledger board. Is 2x10 okay to use? I figured 2x12 would be an overkill. I'm in Georgia.
It should be if you nail two together but don't know how far apart your piers are...they have that info on the internet...I can't tell you for sure
You do know what those little prongs are for ..right
Thanks!
you're welcome John !
Are these sturdy enough to use for homemade bunk beds?
they have load charts for different size hangers
@@RuffCut I'm going to build bunk beds in my Skoolie and was wanting to use these mounted to 4x4s. The chart says 480lbs so it should be fine.
Oh no! Wrong type of screws buddy.
You are supposed to nail those clips into place to hold it in the proper spot. After that you can fasten them
make a video and show me how
Well, that is what I was doing at first, nailing the clips into place, but honestly, they were slipping out and didn't seem very effective. So I like his version better: screw first and then you can nail the clips into place.
@Thrift Diving I find it way easier using them. Once nailed, you no longer need a piece of wood for placement. Hold it and start a screw on either side. Also I depends on how much space you have. I did that in a crawlspace and made everything super easy
Great video thanks heaps
Thank you, this helped
No one inspector will approve the screws you used.
you never use screws on joist hangers. NEVER
you are almost right
@@RuffCut I know they have screws that can be used which are equivalent to nails now but, I wouldn't use them. The simpson joist screws are another story. They look solid AF
Awesome. Thanks!
You're welcome!
The screws that you’re using would never pass code as they’re not structural those are deck or drywall screws they won’t work
I discussed that in the video
Yet they'll hold for 100 years.
Them screws are going nowhere for long after you and I are long gone.. Only pedantic building inspectors insist on ring shank galvanised nails
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By code, you are not using the right hangers nails. You will fail inspection. Very bad advice.
If you watched the video you would see I didnt advise to use these screws
There will be no project at this rate
You have got to be kidding me. Is this a comedy video? You CAN NOT install hangers with screws unless they are structural by joist manufacturer. For all of the comments below about how this is a great learning video or best way - read the hanger manufacturer installation it says nails and specific gauge of nails.
Watch the video and you'll figure it out
Wrong nails dude.
You win the turkey!
Terrible demo. The screws should be Simpson engineering screws, not decking screws. The angled screws should be Simpson 1025 2.5 inches long. Lastly, screw a short 1x1 on top of the joist to hold it while you do the work.
You win a chicken dinner!
Yes, you are correct. On the box of the joist hanger it will tell you what screws or nails to use. I wouldn't call this a terrible demo. That's being mean for no reason. The tip about squaring them up was exactly what I needed since I was having a heck of a time getting my joist hangers on (first timer). But I do agree that the 2.5 Simpson Strong Tie screws are used to toenail the joist hangers, as well as 1.5" Simpson Strong Tie screws for the other 4 slots.
Wrong fasteners for code, all 2 x's tend to vary so to use one block to do all is incorrect procedure.
Putting them on like this will certainly leave some gaps to the 2x's and in such will not pass code.
Nice try tho.