Elden Ring Lore - Beasts From Beyond The Stars
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- What are the Fallingstar Beasts, The Malformed Stars, and Astel? How are they related, and where did they come from?
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no one has mentioned that it seems the glowing eye in the middle is the actual creature itself. everything else seems to be shell held together by gravity magic, rocks from the craters, the skull is lifeless, but the eye responds and emotes constantly, and is basically the same in all parts of the life cycle. even the "eggs" just look like the eyes in early gestation.
The skull may come from those dead giants found in the underground cities sitting on their thrones. Maybe the whole creature is some sort of parasitic being that needs to infect its host to reach maturity. If these giants were actually "kings" of their own societies, or some sort of living gods, this may very well be one of the reasons why the Astels doomed these civilizations to extinction rather than just exterminating them one by one.
What if... the creature is the head, skull+fur and pincers, and the rest is just enviromental adaptation? they are natural from the void, aka space, thats why the larvae's body is rocky , and their body resembles a skull for the humanoid beings they grow close to, and the star/eggs to mimic the fake sky of the eternal cities
I would wager their growth isn’t stagnant, it just takes a really long time. I believe the second Astel grew in the lands between while the natural born fully formed before coming to the lands between, hence the name.
Who knows how long these cosmic beings have *truly* been around…
"Natural born" is a very old term for a child born to unmarried parents, hence his weapon being called the "bastard's stars".
@@rwberger6 Very interesting
Never thought about how the Alabaster and Onyx Lords were guarding the Astel, Stars of Darkness. I won if it was implied that they feared the force of the Naturalborn and prevented it from becoming stronger, probably leading to Radahn’s endeavours to halt the movement of the stars and prevent any further Fallingstar Beasts from arriving.
I love the art in this one, the colors are incredible on the Astel body!
It's very cool to see the Astels in various development stages, leaves the terrifying idea of seeing all the beasts as full Astels rampaging. It's good environmental story telling. And I honestly never realized that the nameless city literally got its sky stolen and that's why his lair is a starscape.
stars: * starts to moving *
Radahn: "Stop moving."
* refuses to elaborate *
>leaves
The Astels hanging upside down in the subterranean areas are actually referred to as "Withered Astels" in the original Japanese. (I can't read Japanese myself. I lelarned this from someone who is Japanese-literate.) Evidently, this is the end stage of the star beast life cycle and not the middle step like a cocoon.
Which implies that Astels were far more common at one time. Perhaps it was a pack of Astels that ravaged the underground kingdoms instead of just the one. For all we know, the Nox worshipped the stars and inadvertently called down the Fallingstar Beasts with something like Eternal Darkness, so the Golden Order banished them all beneath ground for meddling with forces beyond them.
It seems odd that if this were the end stage of their life that they would somehow begin hanging from a ceiling. Typically hanging from ceiling is associated with cocoon stages for bugs
@@square-table-gaming That was my first thought, too. I imagined how eerie it would be for our Tarnished to take the throne as new Elden Lord, only to get blindsided by a bunch of fully grown Astels once they finish maturing underground.
And, like I said, I can't read Japanese. I'm taking it on faith that this person was right about the original Japanese. Maybe I've been fooled.
I've always had a random thought about the fallen stars, one that ties to the fact that the world of Elden Ring is called "the lands between." I think the areas belowground with their false skies are supposed to be a hint that the skies in the world above aren't real either, that there's a world above the lands between that has real skies (i.e. the lands between are between the cities below and...whatever is above). The supposition in this video that the Astels are covered in eggs makes me think that maybe the things we think of as stars are eggs for more of these beasts. What if the reason the nameless city has no sky is that Astel took the eggs to attach them to his body to incubate them?
As much as I thought Astel felt less special after finding yet a second Astel in the game, I do understand a little more how it is possible after seeing the other 'star' beasts. I do love the design of Astel, using planets to make up its body, and I generally have very little issues with the fight itself. In all my time playing the game, I never went to the dungeon to fight the second Astel, so no comment other than that new grab looks painful. I think my one real annoyance is that the monster teleports and I have to run on foot after it in that massive arena. Anyways, cool vid, cool thumbnail. 👍
The fallingstar beasts share some interesting (and from a lore perspective, mostly unexamined) similarities with a creature from Sumerian mythology called the Bull Of Heaven. Given the many references to this culture in the ancient dynasty, this might be an angle worth investigating. The Bull Of Heaven was a mythical bull, with astral or cosmic significance, from which the zodiac sign Taurus is thought to have originated. Within Sumerian myth, the bull is mostly portrayed as a kind of wonder weapon, under the command of An, the supreme leader of the pantheon. An share a number of similarities with the Greater Will. Both could be described as a deus otiosus and both are primarily concerned with kingship. Within Sumerian and Babylonian culture, it would be completely accurate to say the grace of kingship flowed from An. Additionally, An was a god of the heavens, the cosmos, who could command stars and use them as weapons. However, as a deus otiosus, he wasn't involved in the struggles for supremacy among the other gods, but he did allow the bull of heaven to be used by some of them as a weapon. There is a deleted dialogue line from Godfrey in which he boasts 'gold commandeth the very stars.' This could possibly be referring to Marika and her faction controlling the fallingstar beasts. Finally, the bull of heaven was capable of causing earthquakes in combat. The fallingstar beasts possess attacks of a similar nature. I still think the ant lion interpretive scheme is both strong and valid but Fromsoft could be using it to somewhat mask the mythological origins of these beasts and enhance their exotic and alien nature.
Then maybe we can say Radahn is Gilgamesh for holding the stars, gilgamesh fight the bull of heaven if I'm not wrong... so Radahn is supposed to be the next lord if not because of Malenia desperation, maybe land between wouldn't be as fkd up as it is now if Radahn become the next lord
you may have been right, the dlc is coming out next month and messmer, the main villain is said to be inspired bya sumerian god
You... have no clue what you're talking about.
Sumerian mythos has nothing to do with cosmic horror. You're pulling at nonsensical strings.
You may as well compare Prometheus to Cthulhu because "both are said to live beneath the waves".
It's sheer idiocy.
I recently had the thought that the Elden Beast is in the same family as all these starspawn. It was sent through a golden star, and it's snakelike body, arms, and wings kind of resemble Astel's body plan. Obviously, they are VERY different beings in the end, but I can't help but think they had similar origins, with the Elden Beast simply being molded by the Greater Will for its purposes.
Mayyyyybe the Elden Beast is simply an even more mature version of the same creature... after all, the juvenile Astels are also referred as "beasts".
Love the Astel fight and the lore is just as good! Nice video 😊
Man the art looks fucking beautiful
astel, i didnt like that boss, but at the same time i loved the fight, not too easy and not too hard encounter
How does bro not like the fight and love the fight💀
It was a very solid fight
To me it was easy i just stayed in his face i got him on like my 3rd try when i actually got the confidence to fight him
Astel scared me because he looks like the creatures I see in my nightmares.
This is super niche . But I've been all over reddit and UA-cam lookin for anyone mentioning the little scrits on the windows of the eaternal cities. And the fact that the room with the fingerslayer blade has them all over the wall. I'm not sure what to make of it . But they look like astel sprites . Like of you took his head and made pixel art out of it .
I would bring this to the attention of tarnishedarchaeologist. Their channel focuses much more heavily on that sort of thing and they might have an answer for you
"We can see how a Fallingstar Beast is a larval form of a much more dangerous creature" on my RL1 playthrough each of the three fallingstar beasts killed me far more than Astel, Naturalborn of the Void did. (I have not gotten to Stars of Darkness as of yet)
So that is why Radhan was called the strongest Demigod, he was holding back the very Stars
astel has always been my favorite non shardbearer boss, and probably my third favorite boss overall in the game. love the cosmic horror motif
Astel is my favorite designed Elden Ring boss, right beside Rikard.
Another curious detail about the Yelough Anix Tunnel relates to the item drops of the miners there. These are the only ones that drop Gravel Stones, despite there being no dragons nearby. Could there be some deeper implication to the miners having these? I don't know.
Anyway, this is another cool video. If you're open to suggestions, could you go through a deep dive into the trolls? I still don't know why some of them use the Frenzy, and why those are the only ones to wear actual clothing.
I believe the Elden Beast is the beacon drawing them in. As the Elden Ring is labeled as a golden star in lore, I posit that they could be drawn in by it's presence given that amber starlight and golden stars are obscenely rare in lore.
Perhaps the Radahns move to protect Sellia from Astel by holding the stars was weakened by the rot leading to the modern falling star beasts. Astel are beings that come from the comsic void, perhaps a natural enemy to the stars that inhabit the cosmos? The stars are alive after all, and they dictate the fate of all. glintstones are the living residuals left over from that existence
Then what of ,,crimson star"? The one the thorn sorccery originated from?
Some feedback as a viewer of multiple fromsoft lore channels: Don't discount what you offer, just because you're newer and other channels have explored this content previously.
Edits, your channels writing style, sound of presenter voice, etc. There are many variables that content offers to a viewer which contributes to their enjoyment of a video.
And I enjoyed this vid, for sure. Good production quality, nice clips edited in to time nicely with relevance to the discussion. Keep it up! =D
Thank you! We've grown really quickly and even though at this point I would say I have a really strong grasp on the lore of this game, I still feel weird considering myself an authority when so many really talented creators are already working in this space.
I wonder if in the dlc we will see another version of astel
Astel, Devourer of worlds
Oh we will and it’s gone be way more dangerous
Tbh I really think so and, hear me out, I think it will involve us confronting the Astel at the moment of impact.
FromSoft never wastes a good idea, especially one thats mostly "finished;" they often reuse it in dlc, or their next title. Theres cut content of an event where Astel impacts Radahns arena, iirc.
Could you imagine?? A battle similar to Radahns, but we have an Astel(s?) careening at us, creating a giant impact crater, like the one that occurs after Radahns been killed? Having to navigate the gravity-frozen debris while a rowdy cosmic antlion hurls Stars of Darkness at us?? 😂
Thanks guys. Love your vids
Edit: also, who does your thumbnails and amazing artwork? Stellar stuff.
That's our artist Pat Gee, he streams every Friday!
That's me! Thank you :)
@@AwwGeeZ1983tremendous stuff. You have my dream job lol
I always liked to think that the falling star beasts and malformed astels weren't halted in their life cycles. Just that they had unnatural long life cycles within the lands between.
Which with fate frozen and destined death sealed seemed to be possible.
Whatever it is that they eat to pupate and enter metamorphosis. It must be exceedingly rare to find since the shattering.
The beasts of all time!
Can you do a video on the yelough anix tunnel and why it looks like a slaughter took place there along with the erie whispering voices. Love your videos
Another possibility is that perhaps astel and fallingstar beasts could be different morphs (like for instance ants have) rather than stages of life. While I'm not actually sold on that hypothesis and it is just Wild Mass Guessing (in the spirit of broadening our way of thinking about things we've all kinda just taken for granted since really early in the game's lore exploration), I do still think it's worth mentioning.
I believe that when the Mages view the Primeval current. The Star being were looking back
I never would've considered this; very good 👌
Astel Stars of Darkness is imo the nastiest boss in the game. It's fairly likely that the Astel line is drawn to planets with glintstone, but they need access to the void to complete their pupa stage properly.
I love this game so much. No game since new Vegas has consumed my waking thoughts and haunted me with its endings and implications as elden ring has
Out of all the enemies that were re used, Astel lost the most gravitas because of it. This is how to make an Eldritch God feel like a swarm of flies.
If you say so. I think given the context of the Lord makes sense that there will be more than one of them
@@square-table-gaming I'd say the fallingstar beasts and the malformed star enemies convey that implication well enough on their own. This reuse criticism has always been more targeted at the gameplay than the lore. Naturalborn of the Void was the last big gameplay challenge of the game's most significant questline, and to see it copy pasted with only a little changed was disappointing, especially in a part of the game that was plagued with enemy reuse. That said, Godefroy was the worse boss reuse, even if I like the character's lore.
7:20 also there are more than 2 pastels there are at least 2 or 3 others I'm aware of located in caves and tunnels as more of obstacles then anything else. They dont have the same attacks and are stationary but they are still obviously other astels.....
Beast from beyond the stars
Star beasts
Beaststars
Oh naw 💀💀
Ranni was probably was looking for a place to hide her rune and learn to take and controlling the stars and fate
Another Incredible Video!!
Hey just saw you posted and wanted to show my support 😁
Should point out: eternal darkness sorccery looks like the black hole. There is a teory in science that black holes are (litteraly) holes in space. So what if: the eternl darkness is just a portal to the middle of space, so once it is opened it could have brought astel acedentaly
That's what we thought the implication was. Opening the black hole, using the sorcery, was like an invitation to Astels
@@square-table-gaming also another pseudeo-teory, i seen someone teorise (under this video) that an elden beast an ,,golden star" but there is also an ,,crimson star" in lore of thorn sorccery. But do you remember your teory about the ,,tree ofthe dead" the ,,red eldertree" could this imply something?
@@Lazymindflayerwithcofffee I'm not sure the Helephin and the blood star would be connected, but hey, dlc is on the way!
@@square-table-gaming still hope that in dlc we would see howthe demigods fought in their prime (un-roted radan, non-snake rykard, maybe even ranni )
@@square-table-gaming deathroot does look like thorns after all
I feel like they were intentional at the beginning but after they fulfilled their purpose, they had them locked away as they didn't know what to do with them?
What if those colored spheres attached to the body of Astel are the same thing as the "bubbles" sought after by the Oracles and the Claymen? What if these populations are actively seeking to "predict a future from the stars" or announce this mysterious "message" by actually trying to divine bubbles, because that is the very essence of the "star magic" that even goes as far as to constitute the body of the creatures originating from the Void? There may be a connection, even if it's too hard for me to truly grasp it with so little information...
That's an interesting idea that never crossed my mind. Given what we know about bubbles in this world it would make sense if there's some connection between Astel's body and prophecy.
What if all the different beasts of the Stars we've seen so far aren't even its final form?
They are so cool
Isn't Astel described as malformed? How can you be sure the Dragonfly like appearance is what a beaststar is supposed to look like?
All falling star beasts are malformed stars, their being itself is considered malformed because they shouldn't exist.
hell yes
Do a video on sellen if u can. Love ur videos appreciate ya.
I'm sitting on a ton of Sellen footage. It'll happen ;)
@@square-table-gaming nice man can’t wait.
Something that was adressed in the video unfortunately only in picture is the beast outside of Lendyell that that seems to be digged free and worshiped by some unknown cult. I wonder what that cult wanted and if they have even summoned it, because it looks like it is not that long that it has fallen down.
These guys are the Starcallers. You can find them in a few different places across the Lands Between. They're looking for gravity chunks. It's more likely they woke the Fallingstar Beast up as opposed to summoned it.
@@square-table-gaming Thank you for that information. 👍
Yelough=yellow
LOVE THE LORE DIVES!!!! 😈😈
Searching your playlist I saw nothing on Preceptors. Could you do a video on their lore?
We talk about them a bit in the tarnished Files when we talk about preceptor miriam, but we can see if there's enough to go more indepth
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Ahoy
I'm beginning to believe the entire open world of Elden Ring is going to be completely overhauled in the dlc, I'm talking about what the world looked like before farum azusa rose to the sky.
I honestly think the dlc will take place in, around and under a grounded farum azusa along with altered other areas the player visits in game.
i hate these bosses more than the Elden Beast itself...
The background music playing during this video is an altered version of the song the harpy women are singing in game.
It's actually the character creation screen music