That’s so true but I’ve noticed that’s changing lately. People are talking about how unrealistic it is and producers are noticing and now casting people who look closer to ordinary. But in order for that to work, they also need to cast women who have a natural charisma that draws us the audience into the character or the actress
I read something on the internet once about how, for a man to be less masculine he has to actively do things like put on makeup, put on nail polish, shave facial hair, etc. But for a woman to be less feminine all she has to do is exist in her natural state-no shaving, no makeup, no nail polish. Which is interesting lol.
"Existing in her natural state" implies not bathing either so yes sure in order for a women to lose her femininity she has to have a foul stench. Also I find it funny the same women complaining about these standards will still follow them fucking kek like bruh
@@FiniteMan1933 who said no bathing. you know what the op meant.And about women following these standards , you do realize that’s the point of this video right? no one likes them but a lot of them are pressured to follow them or else they’ll be called messy or unkept or unprofessional
I noticed from a young age that even though the "husbands/dads" in movies were generally unattractive (or had beer bellies, etc.), the "wives/moms" ALWAYS had to look like beautiful supermodels in perfect shape. Same thing with a male protagonist; he could be completely average-looking, but the girl he was chasing always had to be perfectly beautiful. It's just so unrealistic... It sends the message that only skinny, fit and conventionally beautiful women are worthy of love.
That's why most men chase the best looking females otherwise they'll be looked as losers,many dedicate their life into high paying careers just so that they can marry and show selfies with the hottest girl on social media. Men, including women talk behind a successful man whose wife/girlfriend is not pretty.
If I ever have kids these issues on unrealistic or one dimensional expectations of beauty standards for women makes me think it would be better for my future kids to have little to no access to the internet and most tv & movies I don't approve of. Extreme I know but if it's for their sake I'll do it. I'd also talk with them more about sex and porn too just in case since I saw a documentary from the UK about finding out why women hate their lady parts so much they'd go under the knife even as young as sixteen to have their excess skin removed to get the 'perfect' bits down there. It was horrifying, graphic and terribly sad for the women. If you see that documentary on youtube as I did please don't report it or flag it. We need things like things like this easily accessible to watch for teenagers. Cause schools and doctors aren't doing what they should - teaching that their gential area is normal and doesn't need to be cut up. It had a disgusting moment of a man saying a woman has to have a pretty ****** by his standards. Disgusting by not surprising. I think most men get the idea of what's attractive down there from porn. Of course. Not against porn but why can't they understand that everything about porn including the woman's appearance is fake? The only thing remotely real is the man. And often aren't as pretty as the women. Sad truth is men really are too stupid for their own good and to the point of being insufferable to women. Sorry to carry on. This is obviously a sore subject for all women :(
@@elizabethlovett4318 I may be only responding to the last bit of your comment, but hopefully you can indulge me. Why did you have to call men stupid? Don't you think that is quite insulting? I wouldn't say that men are stupid, so much it's hard to change that mindset.
@@mehedihasan-ui6qt No, they wouldn't be losers. Normal, adjusted people wouldn't look down on a man because his girlfriend isn't an instagram model. Men like that are just extremely insecure and because of that they uphold toxic beauty standards which severely affect women.
Even Instagram filters are more targeted at women. We see that they enlarge the lips, make the nose tiny and apply make up just so can look like your favorite influencers. And not only do they make the person using them feel bad but also the others that are seeing them use them. It might not sound much, but it actually is.
@@toku_oku by producing content, do you mean gaining money by your instagram account? i could not find any data on content anyway, but i think that you might believe girls publish more content bc a considerable percentage of female influencers use beauty as a marketing tool and so they target mainly women as an audience. that makes us think it is more prevalent and we judge them using instagram for it. we don't tend to think men that produce similar content as obsessed and we also view them as the exception. women are expected to associate with feminine things that's why it seems much more. as for my social circle, i see an equal amount of content being produced by girls and boys. also, google is free.
My favorite is when people justify women's beauty standards by saying, "Well people just respect people who 'take care' of themselves." Like, yeah, skin and hair bleaching, heat styling, clogging your pores with cosmetics, violently ripping your body hair out from the roots, applying potentially irritating chemicals to your skin, not to mention dedicating a significant portion of your budget to do all that... That's how you *take care* of yourself. Sure thing, Jason.
@@acerunraldmage I feel like it's 2013 again with all the "what about the men" comments on this video. Time, money, and effort weren't even the point of my comment. My point was that what some people describe as "taking care of yourself" is often literally damaging your body. It's ironic. Also, women are also expected to have fit bodies. Like, I have sympathy for men who feel compelled to spend every waking moment at the gym to get that cut physique, but women's bodies are put under a microscope in a way that men's just aren't. To the point that many women feel compelled to get various plastic surgeries *in addition to* spending every waking moment at the gym because the bodies we're told we should have are literally impossible for us without it.
@@acerunraldmage Shut up, please. It takes intense workout and extensive health, but I am friends with a personal trainer - and it's not as fucking hard as you think.
when done safely all of those things are ok. a lot of makeup doesn't clog pores etc. i do all of those things for myself and no one else. i can go outside without makeup, i choose when to wear it etc. i think if you're applying makeup for an interview or because your going outside etc, thats an issue.
@@georgia1986 Of course I don't want to imply that all of these things are necessarily bad. How you choose to groom and present yourself is a valid form of self expression, and I've done plenty of it myself. The problem lies in it being a standard, though. When it's something we're told we *should* do, it's no longer self expression but conformity under threat of social exclusion. That part is definitely bad, especially when there are entire industries dedicated to maintaining these standards for profit. They do that by creating a false association between arbitrary grooming practices and your moral value (i.e. "If you don't do these things, you are lazy and don't care about yourself, therefore no one else should care about you either.")
I've noticed something, that even with plus sized models, they still have no facial fat, the "ideal" body shape, often hourglass or pear, relatively flat tummies and thin arms. If we make the body confidence movement something akin to "Beyond my body, I am kind, amazing and worthy of love" rather than "All bodies are beautiful and gorgeous" I think we'd progress even further, because the problem is the focus is still on beauty, and living in a beauty-centric society will always assure that someone feels left out
I really dislike body positivity because it still pushes the idea that beauty is a requirement: like you said, still beauty-centric. I suggest you look into body neutrality- it takes away the need for beauty and focuses on the body as something to nourish and take care of and be content with.
Most plus-size models use padding to get more of an hourglass shape. Just like skinnier models, they're still creating a standard that most normal women can't achieve.
I always freak out when I hear comments about leg size. Many women want thin legs. When I was at 19 BMI I had huge muscular legs and liked them. But girls with skinnier legs would just walk next to me and complain about their "big" legs. Some chubbier women even said "But at least my legs are skinny". I don't know what it is, but womens beauty standards seem to have no place for muscle, and a toxic hate for anything that looks muscular. "Toned" is the max we are allowed to be.
@@MissMoontree I'm a powerlifter and someone who squates at least twice her bodyweight and bench 1,5 my bodyweight I look not really skinny. And I love it. I have 18% bodyfat so my muscles are pretty visible anyway and I wanna gain some more muscles actually. Most women dont understand that and i get called ugly and disguisting on a daily base by men and women. They say I will never find a husband and no men will ever want to touch me. I dont even look super bulking like a stephie Cohen or as lean as a Dana Linn bailey. Many powerlifter like me are in longterm relationships with men, who love their gf bodys, but sadly the mainstream hates us
Stopped wearing makeup at work and my boss scolded me for an unprofessional appearance...Like how far gone are we in society a woman’s bare face can be seen as unprofessional
I actually think it’s much more professional but that sadly isn’t the case because of the human bias towards beauty. Looks shouldn’t matter in the average workplace imho
Ugh, I had an old boss at a coffee shop I worked the morning shift at at who saw me on a Friday night (I stopped in for something before a date) and said I needed to "look like this every day for work" at the hippy-dippiest joint in town, half of our customers barely showered. I told him he could go ahead and hire a someone to do my hair and makeup at 3am while I slept until my shift at 5 if it was that important to him.
@PeriodicalAdventures I've noticed that. I think it helps if you never wear make-up. Then it's less shocking to others when you don't wear it, because they've never seen you wearing it. I actively avoid wearing make-up in professional settings and people are just used to my face. The only times I've had dumb comments are if I entered the first day wearing make-up and then stopped. So now I never wear it.
My sister's boyfriend at the time was a nice irish men. When he came to Spain on holidays he refused to use sunscreen cream because it was a woman thing and he was not feminine, he didn't use creams at all. After 5 minutes under the sun in the south of Spain in summer, he asked for the sunscreen when he realized he was gonna burst in flames like a vampire.
Imagine being THAT fragile in your masculinity that you think you're more powerful than the sun...skin cancer isn't "sexy" and getting it is not "masculine." What a stupid man child.
It should be mentioned, that Charlize Theron was producing "Monster". She used the movie as vehicle, to get more attention, for her acting skills, rather then her beauty. The movie was specifically targeted as an Oscar-Bait. Not taking away any of your arguments, but this is something, that happens quite often, in Hollywood. Ryan Gosling, Robert Pattinson, Cate Blanchet, Margot Robbie and others, did similiar projects, where they could get rid of their type-casting stigma.
That's really interesting, I had no idea about that. It makes sense that actors and actresses would do this so they would be taken seriously about their skills despite their attractiveness. They were only able to do those roles because they had the platform in the first place, however.
@@nes8462 Dude she's beautiful there. They literally chose her "human skin" to be like that so she could lure men. I'm saying she hasn't tried any extreme physical transformation like other beautiful actresses. Maybe when she's set to win that Oscar she will though, who knows.
The point about the women being cast in movies always being beautiful, even though the role does not require them to be ... that has always bugged me,. Also the fact that in historical movies they priorates the removal of female body hair over historical accuracy. WHY? Great video, really enjoyed your take on it!!!
YES. Also how women during a pandemic movie or the literal apocalypse somehow are still finding the time to heat style their hair and shave their legs???
We were watching Batman the one with the actress named Maggie Gyllenhaa. My female cousin would complain of how ugly she was...if you notice in Michael's Bay movies the female extras are super pretty. When they focus of even a second on a female extra she is always pretty. Well he did cast Megan Fox and later a Victoria's Secret model for his Transformers movie. So, I ain't surprised....
this isnt really specific too women, but i can see why it would apply to women more. It really is just that beauty attracts viewers, so hollywood movies cast the best looking actors/actresses for roles so as to maximize profits.
Another problem for women is that beauty standards for their bodies change every decade or so. I remember when I was younger, having a "fat ass" was an insult, because in early 2000s, the beauty standard was to be very skinny. In the 2010s, hourglass figures and curvy bodies became the ideal. Our bodies are trends that go in and out of style. I feel like for men, the beauty ideal is more constant? Not that it's a good and healthy ideal, but different
@Kill it with fire I think that there's some aspects of female beauty that can not be achieve naturally like breast size, hips, little noses, thin hair and so on, I'm not saying that is always fair for men either, but that an average looking man will have more chances in relationships, work and life in general that an average looking woman because of the value that is giving to a woman apparence compare to the importance that is given to the skills and personality in men (with i think is fine, it will be better if the same was for women regarding their intelligence, kindness, skills, etc.) -i apologize for my grammar, english is not my first language
@Kill it with fire did you even watch the video? there are tons of average looking men in television and movies. look at any man in any sitcom tv show. big bang theory, its always sunny, new girl, modern family?? most, if not all of the men in those shows are average looking, to some people probably below average. big noses, double chins, eyes too close together or too far apart, bald heads, overweight, rough skin, short stature, etc etc etc. your insecurities are valid and deserve to be heard just like anyone else's, but this video was talking about how beauty standards are applied to women differently than men, and trying to undermine this issue is disrespectful.
@Kill it with fire You're saying that huge breasts can be achieved naturally without surgery whilst keeping a ridiculously slim waist if you are not born with them in the first place? so than we can say that males can achieve 6 pack abs if they go to the gym and change their life style right? And please; men give bare crap to women that are god forbid over 5'5. And women don't normally care about the penis size; its about how you know how to use it typically from what women around me and I see saying. You sound like an idiot.
@Kill it with fire are you mad? Women can't magically grow or reduce the size of their arse, or create a different waist-hip ratio depending on what body type is fashionable at any given time. The nearest you can get to it is intensive, and I do mean intensive, workouts, rigorous diets and sometimes very dangerous treatments like brazilian butt lifts. You have to make it your full time job and even then you won't get the exact look that's considered desirable, if your underlying shape isn't there.
@Kill it with fire you really have to step away from the incel websites. This headshape stuff is nonsense. But you can indeed have surgeries that will alter your face to make it more "masculine". Height is not that important. Plenty of short men (Mick Jagger springs to mind) date supermodels. Short men are often well-formed and very physically attractive, and of course you can spend ten hours a day in the gym and be on a rigorous diet to achieve the cut look of your dreams. You can have surgeries to make your penis longer or fatter, same as women do for breasts and butts. Of course they are dangerous and the results are not perfect but it IS achievable! If you honestly believe that women "can" achieve the look of a supermodel by merely working out, dieting, having surgeries and other procedures all day every day, then so can you.
I feel like the great "insult" of calling Charlize Theron's transformation "brave" is that she isn't even ugly in the movie. Like at all. She just isn't extremely good-looking anymore, and instead looks pretty average. But I promise you, if you ran across her on the street, you wouldn't think she's ugly. I feel like I know plenty of people who look like that, and many of them are even considered attractive. I've recently figured out I'm not as ugly as I thought and am probably more like upper average, depending on the angle, but it took me ages to figure that out because we only ever see super beautiful women in movies and on TV, even when they're playing roles that are explicitly considered average looking or even "ugly ducklings" in the movie. On the other hand, I feel like there's plenty of relatively average looking male actors, who, while maybe not being considered very attractive by the public, still get to play main characters and heroes and get to look cool and even be desired etc. You don't really get that if you're a woman. I don't think I can even name an average looking actress who gets to play the main character in any movie, only ever maybe the comic relief. Even then, they're usually still pretty, but maybe have a bit more body weight.
I think the film Monster is not the best example, because Charlize Theron was clearly the best actress for the role - she was amazing. Maybe the real issue is that she had to alter her appearance so drastically in order for her talent to be seen. There's an unspoken idea that beautiful women owe it to the public to be beautiful at all times, like their looks are for other people to enjoy, the 'payment' for such an unfair advantage.
@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 The point was not to be ugly, the point was to look like Aileen Wuornos. We see countless people who look like that in our real lives without ever trying to evaluate how beautiful or ugly they are
I love this quote, "Beauty is power and since women are robbed of their beauty on a daily basis, it's no surprise that there are institutions out there that are more than happy to sell it back to them. Then steal it away from them at the next opportunity"
I think the problem is less how achievable beauty can be, and more how important being beautiful is for women. An ugly man can be successful and happy, but that's not seen as possible for women. It's not about women having an equivalent to Tom Hiddleston, it's about having a Danny Devito
@@youtubesucks2755 however I remember I saw a ranking of "the richest women in the world" who made their own fortunes and the top-ranked comment was something along the lines of "so what if they're rich if almost all of them are very ugly". So, uh
Anyone can find success, regarded generally attractive or not there are so many different aspects of the entertainment genre (and whatever passion you have) you don't have to be picture-perfect nonetheless the most famous and richest actors fit the general appeal of beauty
@Alt Cont Men commercials always start that you are good, but you will be better if you use their product. Women commercials on the other hand start that there is something wrong with them and they can fix that and feel better if they use their product. Men: real men look good with beared, but they look better clean shaved. With our razor, your beard will be smooth and manly as hell. And don't worry, she's gonna love it. Women: Do you have problem with your skin? Do you have to much frakles? Don't worry, with this cream you will feel freash and better then ever, because that's what you deserve! To be fair I wrote the first thing that came to my mind so it's not even close to perfect, but this is the general blueprint for male/female commercials.
@Alt Cont We are talking about comercials. Who has bigger ego is not the topic. The point is what are the bases for comercials when they are making them for men and women.
I love reading books because in books people are not sexy and ridiculously attractive. Characters who are attractive are usually only slightly above average or are only beautiful because it fits the plot. I love to see flawed people more than seeing flawless people. I want to see your scars and the textures of your face when you express yourself. I don't get impressed when I see someone at their best if their best is all I ever see.
Meanwhile women drooling over Fifty Shades Of Grey, a book which is all about a 0.0001% type of man dominating the girl next door. Im cringing over most of you ngl
@@darkforcekiller I never read fifty shades of grey and never will. You seem very uneducated about literature and many women don't even read that smut. Especially not fifty shades of grey.
@@darkforcekiller not only me, many others too. Every single female reader friend I know hasn't read Fifty Shades of Grey. My mom read Twighlight in her teenage years, but that's it with creepy, unrealistic romance. I guess all the middle aged Women read it. But what about it? And why do you shame this woman? She said she likes books with flawed characters who are not physically attractive and have an interesting personality. Doesn't sound like fifty shades for me. Not only is fifty shades not trending anymore (at least not in the age category of 15-30), but society has moved on to complex, morally grey characters and diversity. We are getting more representation of different body types, skin colours, sexualities etc and female readers are focused on this kind of stuff. You can see sooo many female readers here on UA-cam criticising fifty shades, twighlight, the after series etc.... seriously no your statement is still not true. Oh and you know why people are still reading it? To make fun of it lmao
And then they make a movie and the person with the boring face and a bit of a belly who felt insecure around the hot girls around her turns out to be more beautiful than all other characters 🤦♀️
"in books people are not sexy and ridiculously attractive" - haha, yeah, but have you looked at fanart of those characters? Every YA character, male or female, is portrayed as utterly stunning, and if we're honest, that's the way we imagine them to be.
The thing that bothers me most about beauty standards, is some men have no idea what it takes. I can brush off if some idiot fantasizes movie stars as their ideal woman, but when they comparing them to me saying "Look she looks so pretty because she has that NATURAL look. If you wore bright colors and little less makeup you would look like them". That sentiment always leaves me speechless. I get that the sun-kissed, natural, no makeup makeup thing nearly looks real, but how actual people in this day and age think those people and pictures aren't heavily... Altered, edited, retouched. It boggles my mind.
I think most guys who say they like a "natural look" don't realize that those women who look natural are still covered in makeup, still dye their hair, still do a ton of work to look "natural". If anything it feels like they are really saying "I deserve a woman who is gorgeous in the morning with no makeup up so I get something hot to look at first thing each day"
Not to mention it's incredibly hard to find a woman in the entertainment industry who hasn't had plastic surgery of some kind. Lorry Hill's channel is fascinating, people I never thought had surgery have had it. Most of these women are not natural at all.
@@Contrarian-v7p easy mode? How funny. No one life's easy, absolutely no one wether you are man or woman. And fuck you, yo will always expect us to look like Superman. So is that okey? Can't we complaint too?
Even when you disregard all the other beauty marker expectations, typically the ideal woman is aged 18-25, whereas the ideal man is 25-35. Men are attractive when they are established in their body, women are attractive before they've finished developing, and are encouraged to avoid it at all costs 😠
Women from 18-25 Best reproductive chances. Men like that. Men from 25-35 Best status and at being stable. Women love that. There. I solved it for ya. You are welcome
@@gregorythestallion2984 that's not right. This is the reason why many women are forced into marriages at that age in many cultures which is not right. By the way average age of marriage in western countries for women are around late 20s or early 30s.
Have you ever noticed how actresses have to always act in a pretty way? Just survived an explosion? Gotta do it in a pretty way. Picking up something heavy? Gotta make sure your face is pretty while straining under the weight. If it's not a childbirth scene (and still even then too) a woman MUST keep a pretty face while acting.
I’ve met jlo in person before and I always feel the need to tell people that she very much looks 51. She looks like a 51 year old who has taken care of herself over the years but she does not look like some magical young fairy lol with all the products and time in the world you will still look your age for the most part
You can look younger if you have great genes and a baby face tho. My mom is 55 but she always get mistaken for a 40 yo, and people get shocked when they hear she have a 20 yo daughter. But yeah otherwise she still look like an adult mature woman, not an eternal 25 years old, like people say about Jennifer Lopez.
@Fat Face Bork Laser That’s a stretch, it’s dismantling the idea that women need to look young forever. Nowhere did I bash her age or looks and instead I actually complimented her. You need to rewatch the video and pay better attention.
@Fat Face Bork Laser lmaoooo I am 17. Why would a grown women looking her age make me feel better about myself? Stop trying so hard to pin women against each other. 😂
Never understood this obsession with wanting to stay young/ look young forever. Growing old is a blessing not everyone has the opportunity to experience. Edit: youth is beautiful but there is also beauty and content with age. It’s a less shallow understanding and appreciation of life. I believe when I’m 80 I’ll want to be 80, God willing. I’ll look back on my life like what a great time I had in my 20s and what a great time I’m having now. Maybe I’m just a simple person idk.
Yess, I really don't get it. As an example, smile wrinkles are so beautiful! I notice my dad now getting old and he has very clear smile wrinkles (the ones close to your eyes), probably because he always laughs a lot. I think that's beautiful and hope to have even clearer smile wrinkles when I reach that age
This reminds me of a debate I saw, as to why calling a woman who wants a rich man a "gold-digger" is perfectly acceptable, but calling a man who wants a beautiful and young wife a "youth digger" or "beauty digger" just doesn't make sense. There's a very clear double standard here
I didn't read that as Jason Mamoa being "unconventionally attractive" but rather as a point that men don't have a strict "conventionally attractive" model like women do.
He is "unconventionally attractive" according to the average male model/"sexiest man" standards. Doesn't mean he's not gorgeous just doesn't fit with the typical. He's a throwback to another time really.
He showed Black Panther /s. But yeah this seemed more like a critique of cosmetics (which should be critiqued) and not on double standards. Only like 20% of guys are over 6', its just the standards are different for attraction. While beauty standards are higher for women. I'm sure when comparing attraction standards they're set too high for everyone. Also tabloid gossip isnt the best place to find what guys actually like.
@@Aondy1 Agree mostly, but I would like to comment that I don't know why it matters who is held to the higher standard if we are all equally insecure, the conversation really needs to shift from complaining about the double standard and we need to start being more realistic for both men and women to solve any issues. That's where this video kinda goes wrong, it encourages the idea that women have it worse so men aren't allowed to complain which further suppresses men's thoughts and causes them to suffer in silence.
@Faisol Oluwo I agree, its hard for people to hear but it really is true. Why is it still so acceptable for people to openly call men ugly? Its like they have no idea we could take offence to it.. yet it is just as detrimental to each of us to hear. It's even harder when there's barely anything to change.
When I am perceived as a woman, I am subject to all kinds of scrutiny and rage at all aspects of my appearance, just for being in public. When I am perceived as a man, all the harassment is focused on my femininity.
It seems like the closest analogue to women's cosmetics for men is fitness/exercise-related stuff, but even then it's not advertised nearly as persistently, and also women are oft pressured to hit the gym as well, ON TOP of all the cosmetic malarky pushed on them.
Actually, think about this. How much of REAL excerising and working out adevrtised to women? When you see a weight loss ad for products (teas, pill, supplements), it usually targeted more toward women. When you see workouts like yoga or cardio, it's targeted to women. Weightlifting however which is beneficial to both men and women, is targeted toward men. There's this wide belief that lifting weights is going to get you jacked like a bodybuilder when that's not true for women (unless they are actively perusing this). "Easy" workouts and lose weight fast gimmick products are advertised to women but hard work and heavy effort is geared toward men. It's almost like media treats women like babies in this aspect but except men to work hard for it. Then women who DO put on muscle are shamed for being masculine. Now for others reading this, I'm aware that men are naturally predispositioned to be stronger of course, but this doesn't mean women shouldn't lift those weights as well.
@@MakeSureYouCleanUp I agree that there's a perception that weight training is more apt to build muscle mass, and this falls outside the incredibly narrow mainstream aesthetic for women, while being almost a default for men. I'd disagree that weight training is the only 'real' exercise. I've lifted weights in the past, but if you ever asked me to run a marathon, I'd have keeled over!
@@CSGraves haha I get you. What I meant by "real" excerise was more so actually working out/proper diet vs. the gimmicks out there that say if you do just 15 leg lifts a day you can get rid of your hip dips or drink this tea with questionable ingredients to lose 20 lbs in a week every week. These type of things pop up on instagram all the time and push "easy" methods of weight loss/fitness for women while on the male side I see techniques for lifting and proper posture menthods. Cardio is great too, but too often I see women only doing cardio and scared to lift a dumbbell, then wonder why they don't get that "toned" shape they've been aiming for and it's hard to convince them (coworkers, family, friends that have asked me about working out) because the world is telling them they'll get "buff" if they do.
@@MakeSureYouCleanUp Ahh yes, there seems to be an ocean of snake oil for women's fitness/weight loss/cosmetic purposes out there. And even though many aren't going to fall for these scams, they may still get exposed to the underlying idea of having to look a certain way.
@Kill it with fire But can a woman get a more attractive face through mere effort? Oh sure, western society makes cosmetics an option (if not mandatory) for women, but it can only compensate for so much. A woman with asymmetrical features will face just as much, if not more, difficulty than a man with a similar visage. Same goes with stature or body shape. Exercise will only do so much, but it won't make one taller or undo certain proportions people may be born with. These 'genetic' issues affect women too. I'm not saying men can't also suffer from feelings of unattractiveness (Oh, I KNOW it ain't so!), just that in the media at least, there is a heightened emphasis on women to fit into the proscribed notion of beauty. And as a guy who isn't exactly confident looks-wise, the idea that half the population is getting it _even worse_ is sobering.
This has been my experience as well as my parent’s. My mom and dad are both extremely attractive and man the shit they got for it was so bad growing up. My dad has a prosthetic leg for jumping on my mom to protect her when a colleague tried to throw acid at her at a gathering. He ended up taking the brunt of the acid from his thigh and down but luckily his knee was saved. I inherited their looks and it sucks because even when you try to play it down or just not do anything people still react. You’re not allowed privacy and people forget it’s natural human instinct to be afraid when being hovered or stared at too much. People act like we should be grateful for the attention but the attention is given with an expected response and if you’re frustrated from the constant lack of boundaries, you’re marked as a conceited b$&th. My dad turned out to be a really great dad and husband, he’s worked hard to give my mom and us everything we could’ve asked and be loving to us. But he was the first to tell us kids how much evil people can be out of spite or jealousy. The lady that tried to pour fire acid on my mom was angry because her husband kept hitting on my mom and my dad eventually called his bluff. The woman felt humiliated but instead of calling out her husband for it ended up trying to take out my mom. I was 8 when this happened and it was heartbreaking. Beauty is a blessing to have if you’re a man and a problem if you’re a woman. And a relief it seems if you’re not an attractive guy. That’s literally the vibe most men give off when they come to hit on or observe. Relief and pride and then scorn if you don’t give them the time of day. The other horrible thing about it is that men seem to avoid people on their level of physical attraction and willing to do anything short of impossible to get it. Hence why women can be awful to women considered very attractive since if they wanted it, they could leverage a monopoly. The irony is that most women would take a guy that’s attractive and kind with survivable income over an unattractive one making bank, mostly because the sexual satisfaction is more likely for both parties in the first arrangement than in the second dynamic. The second dynamic just leads to guys trying to seek more women since the women they want don’t respond eagerly as they do and they don’t contemplate why that is. The happiest heterosexual partnerships I’ve seen tend to be when both parties are on the same physical hierarchy and not much in the way of age differences. This only changes if you’re gay, where the age differences can vary but almost always the couples are on the same attractiveness threshold more often than not. This is why women in lesbian relationships might seem more attractive to men since lesbians aren’t going to forcibly condition themselves to deny the natural hypergamy in selection in BOTH sexes like straight women are conditioned to for supposed conveniences. Society tells women to bed men they might not find attractive (and thus have issues when bedding them or putting out) but to find pleasure in material things as a sacrifice for creature comforts. Homosexuals pick their partners like men are encouraged to pick their women, just go for the one you like and are attracted to. Or they’re more realistic about it and go for what’s on their level. With straight men it seems like average is not an option. The worst part of being attractive that a lot of people want to minimize is just how invasive and in your face people can be about it. You’re literally not allowed to have a time for yourself out in the wild without someone trying to shove themselves into your eye sockets and a woman or two bitching about it because they’re being ignored. At first you want to be a good sport about it. Feeling flattered that others find you appealing. Because that’s honestly not an insult. The scary part is that almost always they assume that kindness is a romantic or sexual invitation. And eventually you become anxious and weary of dealing with them since no matter how you try to approach the dynamic, even when at first they try to be friendly and say they’re not trying to get in your pants, they eventually turn it around and think that trying to go the slow and steady route makes it better.
@@anamarte7547 true, im happy about not having to be majorly insecure but i have only like 2 friends because if it’s a male they think i’m flirting with them and if it’s a girl they tend to treat me as inferior and envy me, i’m sorry if i sound presumptuous but it sucks
@@loveinbloom9315 I also noticed that the majority of attractive women are only happy if they are also upper class cause they get praised for it and respected, but when you’re super pretty and poor, then it won’t be this easy unless ofc you get scouted by a modeling agency or some lucky shit. attractive people in third words countries, don’t truly benefit from pretty privilege, especially the women. They get many guys constantly harassing them before they ever hit puberty, and they constantly deal with jealousy from bitter women. There are millions of women better looking than kendall Jenner and gigi hadid , but instead of benefiting from it, they live it like a curse, and rarely receive compliments. They can’t even use their beauty to marry up, cause now most rich men would rather marry an average looking woman from the same class as them than an attractive poor woman, no matter how much men on the internet says money doesn’t matter, it does.
As a gay man who grew up during the Abercrombie and Fitch era, it took me until I was in my mid-20's to be okay with the fact that I will never be a blue-eyed blond who's 6'2" with abs.
@@noonie-i2g This company experienced a big shitstorm back in 2013 when after a customer complained that their sizes are too small for the average woman the CEO basically replied something like: 'We are a brand for young, succesful and beautiful people only' and 'Only the cool, popular kids should wear our brand'.
@@SuperRh500 obviously, but they seem to fixate on that particular number? The actual reality of the situation wouldn’t change but the way people perceive it might.
I am a woman, and my nose is slightly crooked and quite big, and one day I was complaining about this and my mum began listing good-looking male actors with crooked noses to make me feel better, but I had to explain to her that while that was an acceptable trait in men, it was not for women. She had not really thought about this but realized it was true, and it really is so unfair because there are so many examples of how the range of features that are considered attractive in men is so much wider than those in women.
@@madeupname3008 lol you say so....would you like a man wearing lipstick and mascara? The most a man get away with is using a concealer and even for that I get called out by my friends.
I find this very interesting, because I find myself constantly 'forgiving' guys for having slightly less than perfect features (like inlets in their hair, acne or acne scarring, crooked or broken noses, weird or even missing teeth, spider veins, sweat smell, balding and more) while I fixate on these things when women have them and instantly find them less attractive, when with guys it gives them a certain 'edge'. I have often wondered about this.
same :( my nose is slightly on the large side and i broke it when i was around 15 so the right side is crooked because my septum became deviated, and i've been so insecure about it until recently, as i realised that whilst it may not really be an acceptable trait right now, since beauty standards evolve, in maybe a couple years it'll be accepted and embraced :)
I got nearly fired because my face looks "too sad" while working in a hospital... But I was no sad. This was just my face. I always look tired, even when I am happy and I have no interest to put alot makeup on my face when I have to work in early hours like 6am.
I always got told by my teacher that I never smile and that I need to smile.. why the hell do I need to smile when I'm there to learn and I'm not in my best mood every day? Also I hate when men tell you to smile but they don't even try to say something nice that actually would make you smile, they just want to order you around to basically fake smile
@@science3816 I also hated it back in the day when teachers would say to me "You should have to smile." I think your attitude you described makes you actually morr sympathetic because you understand that somebody doesnt have to smile all the when someome doesnt feel like it.
I hate that the women supose to be happy and friendly and approachable all the time But if a man is serious and doesn't smile all the time its okay is the normal. I am a pretty shy person when i dont know so much someone and my classmates always said to me in a rude way that why i dont talk , wtf. And another classmate that it was a man, in the same class was also shy but no one said nothing to him.,🙄 Pd: sorry for my english, its not my first language
It's funny how social ideas influence what we think about as "virile". Head hair, for example-- male pattern baldness is caused by DHT, a masculinising hormone which occurs roughly proportional to your testosterone levels, so the higher your testosterone is the more likely you are to go bald young. On the flip side oestrogen is related to body fat percentage, so losing weight to the point that's considered "beautiful" is very likely to decrease fertility. I never had more compliments on how great I looked than at a time in my life when I was so thin, my periods had stopped. I'm willing to say that a lot of the fertility theory of attraction is pseudoscience.
Ancient humans honestly had a better understanding of fertility than modern pop culture myths. There's a reason mother/fertility goddesses were depicted as possessing exaggerated breasts and hips, and typically being obese by modern metrics. Goddesses representing "beauty" however have been generally pretty diverse in their appearance. The distinction between fertility and beauty was well understood by our ancestors. And understood that there was worth in both these aspects of femininity.
Yes, defs pseudoscience because the whole field of evopsych... Check out PZ Myers's video about the problems with the basic premises and what it often leads to
On the baldness thing it's actually a result of sensitivity to DHT. It doesn't necessarily indicate more testosterone but that the follicles on your head were very sensitive to it. Albeit as you said the same hormone is responsible for hair growth everywhere else hence the meme of hair "migrating" haha (losing head hair but having a full beard and body hair)
Can I add that an excess of testosterone is not always better for men? Too much testosterone and therefore too much DHT and thus, baldness. That can lead to infertility, low sperm count, shrinking balls and not to mention a higher risk of heart diseases.
It's insane that he did not mention South Korea in regard to the beauty industry. The beauty industry/standards there are extremely pressuring for women. There the beauty industry have gone after men more but of course it's not nearly as high. Skin care products for men there aren't seen as much as demasculation of men because of the high pressure of beauty standards.
I feel like the ultimate answer is that instead of expanding our idea of what is beautiful is to devalue how much we value beauty. Being beautiful should be like being athletic, it’s really great for some specific professions, but for most daily life it’s really not important to be athletic, just a nice bonus.
Omg you're echoing what I ask myself everyday. Why do we value beauty so much ? It's definitely has some uses but critically thinking it doesn't make much of a difference except in certain professions like modelling or acting. We don't beat ourselves over not being smarter or richer. We're allowing ourselves to create a dialogue around beauty by focusing more on it.
@@RimjhimSinghBhardwaj It's a sad trombone of an answer, but I blame a lot of it on unchecked biological values. Our caveman ancestors are still up in our heads telling us to pick the strongest, youngest, most attractive and virile woman to bear their children and then die by 30. That's literally how we still think, even though it's thousands of years out of date. So before we start questioning the validity of beauty (and I totally agree with you on that!), I think we need to make more of an effort to stop blindly adhering to patterns we should have evolved away from a long time ago.
In regards to dating men specifically, then a woman's beauty is really the most important thing. With women it's a combination of a man's attractiveness, and his ability to provide. That's just the way that it is.
@@studiostyx7075 Trying to reprogram your brain to find someone attractive, that you otherwise wouldn't have? Good luck with that. Let me know if you figure out the formula. I'll try it.
@Kill it with fire True, but in that case it's mostly about his personality or about something that has happened... often combined with "That guy is was a jerk anyway, forget him". Women do not often say it immediately regarding only the looks of the person.. since "what does she see in him" is more accepted than "what does he see in her"... I could be wrong tho..
There’s always a person out there that’ll find you attractive. F*ck trends. You’re one of kind. Take care of yourself, stay healthy, and slay this space.
@Fat Face Bork Laser Masculine ≠ attractive. As a woman who has been attracted to conventionally "ugly" men who have weak jaws and have been shorter/the same height as me, the thing for me was that i liked their sense of humour/their personality. It's just that society pushes ideal faces onto us too often.
Small thing I've noticed about the increase in racial representation in areas like modelling and entertainment in general, they still pick and choose only those that fit the European standard of beauty, you know, things like big eyes, a slim nose, plump lips, thin and tall physique so this ends up putting more pressure on those racial minorities because the number of people within their sect who will fit this standard are now much lesser, so to conclude, In the wise words of PewDiePie, "It's evolving, just backwards..." Have a good day
Well, the plump big lips and tall stature aren't Eurocentric (the big lips are Afrocentric and the tall frame is universal) but everything else is spot on. The curvy hourglass body, deeply tanned skin tones, bigger lips, and curlier hair (but not "too curly") is getting more and more popular, but eventually they'll start to be seen as ugly again. Interestingly, the slim nose beauty standard in the U.S. doesn't really change like the bigger lips vs smaller lips, thicker brows vs thinner brows, straight hair vs wavy or lightly curly hair does. Ultimately, the European standard of beauty reigns in the U.S., but it's intriguing to see how sometimes Afrocentric (big lips) and Asiatic (fox eyes) beauty standards and makeup trends can interact with it.
@Kill it with fire European-centric beauty standards are also prevalent in Asian and African countries with no white-majority population. You're being purposefully dense, aren't ya?
A man can be unattractive (physically and personally) and be successful through "hard work and paying their dues". A beautiful and successful woman "probably got there because of her looks", instead of hard work and dedication. Also, permanently changing your appearance in harmful ways (tooth chipping) is just stupid. No matter what you identify as.
Well. Women using their looks to get stuff is a common thing. And consider that there way more average looking women that guys. (Considering that a average for women is 5 and for a man is 7)
I'm 5' 3" girl and have a "baby face", If I don't wear makeup, people usually treat me like a child (even though I'm 27). It's pretty uncomfortable when people (men and women) don't treat you as equal because they think that you are a middle schooler. Also when people see you without makeup for the first time they may assume that you are ill or really tired, because you look pale and have purple bags under your eyes.
I'm 25 and fit the same description as yours.. But i wanna share that it has helped me read people so much, understand this society so much. I get so much pleasure watching people get terrified looking at me like that (because i don't wear makeup, rather haven't touched it ever) But, but, on the plus side, it has given me immense courage to fight back and have also gained some real friends. It's only a matter of being lucky enough to finding the right people. I hope luck finds your way too. 😊
@@TomatoAddict Dont worry. Society doesn't only take tall people seriously. It is partially true but mostly not. I say this as a 21 years old, 5'10 man!
@@TomatoAddict Surprisingly, depending on where you live, 5'2 is not that short. I'm 5'2 and I stopped growing taller at age 14 (I'm 21 now). 5'2 is like...slightly under average height, not too short! :) It's a good height imo
Omg yes. When I started back college in 2019, professors would talk to me like I was 20-22 year old, giving me life lessons. I’m like “sir, I’m 30, been there, done that, learned the hard way”. They would just be like “...oh...” Even certain jobs I’ve had towards my late 20s people treated me like a teenager. I kinda couldn’t wait to seem older.
I feel like I am living in a constant battle with myself; When I look in the mirror I see a pretty woman with a cute smile, but I also know that the general population may not agree with what I see as I do not fit the "standard beauty"
Same. When you stay away from the internet and people for a while and really think about how you look, you might not really find yourself unattractive. It helped me realised how much my idea of beauty was shaped by media and society's expectations. I find myself cute and beautiful in an unconventional way too.
Finally someone talks about this and it's the second video - hopefully of a series. This needs to be addressed. Too many people bitter and cynical because they hate their own DNA, but too ashamed to talk about it. It's obvious. This needs to change. Can't wait!
I’m probably trans (it’s a mess in my head), and I see this double standard everywhere. I feel especially ugly because I have a man’s face and body and I feel like I should be a woman. It’s an horrible feeling that there’s nothing you can do to be seen as beautiful. That is a feeling that can crush your soul. I will often not even try to fix my appearance because I’ll still have a man’s body no matter how well I learn to apply makeup. It’s wild.
I’ve never understood beauty. I’ve never looked at a person and thought them ugly. It feels like every time I see a face, I focus on a feature they have and marvel at how such a wonderful thing has been created on flesh and bone, sculpted by nothing more than genetics. Sometimes I get a little jealous too... I don’t know if this is any comfort as we don’t know each other in real life, but if I saw you on the street, I’d probably think you beautiful by your hair, your style, your nose or mouth, your personality, your smile, your cheek or ear. Although I am asexual, so perhaps my inability to feel sexual attraction lends itself into the way I view others.
Beauty is literally so complicated for women. Like we should honestly get some respect and recognition for being able to figure out the best makeup, research skincare, style ourselves. It’s something seen as vapid and stupid but looking up to a standard is hard work
but those standards also create a lot if suffering for those women who can’t ever reach them so.. quite a dilemma, in the end what do you want to value/support more - what are your priorities basically 🤷♀️
@@vivvy_0 I think the answer is pretty clear -- reaching those standards is hard work, so if someone has managed it, that's one hell of an accomplishment, and the effort that's gone into it should be recognized and appreciated for what it is. At the same time, it shouldn't be the only accomplishment that is valued, nor should it be required as a prerequisite for any others. It should also be much more forgiving. Ultimately it's about being comfortable in your own skin, and being able to tinker with your body and appearance as much or as little as you like without being harshly judged for either. Also men judging each other on the conventional attractiveness of their partners is a terrible thing that heavily reinforces feminine beauty standards and needs to stop. If all this occurs, I suspect a lot fewer people would put that kind of work in in the first place, but that's fine too.
@Kill it with fire No one forces anyone to do anything obviously, but it's a dumb societal expectation and if you want to have success in that society you almost always must conform. Women are expected to maintain far more than men are at a base level and if they don't they are not taken seriously in their lives by the people around then and at their careers. Whereas men basically just need to have good hygiene.
It would be interesting to look into how new eastern trends (especially in kpop) is starting to normalize men in makeup. Personally I don't wear makeup because I end up relying on it for confidence if I use it too frequently. I hope that in the future anyone can feel like they are a human whether they decide to wear makeup or not.
Wearing foundation has caused me to put pressure on myself to have my skin look "perfect" all the time - not wearing foundation pretty much all year because of obvious reasons was actually a blessing to me because it helped me accept that my skin also looks fine without! I, too, hope for a future when we will be just accepted, no matter how we look or if we wear makeup...
Honestly, it is strongly based on good looking skin in the face, men always been wearing makeup Kpop was playing catch up. You're honestly good once you got a good skin treatment that works with your skin. Which is something beauty doesn't explain. Makeup isn't an end all be all it's supposed to be skincare. Since people also don't realize at times they may be allergic to some makeup and be locked out of a look.
@@ExeErdna true! But while I started getting serious about HEALTHY, well-cared-for skin about 4 years ago and while my skin looks significantly better than back then, it obviously is not the "perfect, air brushed look" I was used to because of foundation etc.; I just think there are many layers to why women feel so pressured to have poreless, plump skin.
I kinda think there’s a lot of pressure within women internally also to want to maintain youth because we don’t want out partners to wander....we get taught early that if our partners stray, it’s our fault....we must constantly live our lives walking on eggshells so that our partners may hopefully won’t leave the family for another...just a thought.
What feeds this insecurity women have about their bodies and their beauty obsession is that men seem to idolize women's bodies and men are very hesitant to tell a real woman she has a good body because he's so used to seeing all these media women and comparing real women to that ideal. And I'm surprised by how many men are not as excited but turned off honestly when they see a real woman that has an average body because he thinks he would like to have what he sees on a screen and she doesn't measure up. He would like to see a woman who has a very rare body that most women have to pay for, because many women who are thin and fit don't have very large breasts or large butts. And the average woman has moderate hip size not large, but a man sees what's lacking and pretends to be satisfied anyway. It's sad why cant men stop expecting women to be a perfect hourglass to be a knockout beauty and be more loving with their eyes and realize these people are fake like 80 percent of the time?
Personally I've always been quite open about what I find attractive and not. A lot of Hollywood types whilst I find beautiful I don't find attractive, if you can see the distinction. And I've seen a lot of "unbeautiful" people who have been very appealing. One thing I'll add though, Amanda. You've got your reason wrong. Men know what they like when they see it and no amount of propaganda/conditioning will alter that. The reason why men aren't telling a woman "she has a good body" in polite company is pretty obvious. It's sexual harassment. A comment like that is a one way trip to getting talked to by a policeman or losing your job. So they might well be thinking that Miss Average actually looks great, but no way are they going to say that unless they're dating/together.
it feels strange though when most women which this video shows just aren't that attractive to me. Maybe it's because I can't stand Hollywood movies etc and this fake fashion.
When I was a teen in the 1970s, my thick lips (comparatively for a white girl) got me epithets, the kindest (and most printable) one being "fish lips." Then along came Angelina Jolie and suddenly my lips were enviable. I consider that the best time of my life was when I lived in Boston and no one cared whether or not I wore make-up. I managed to shock a friend by using tinted lip gloss. I will say that being in my early 20s in the early 1980s, I learned to lust after men wearing eyeliner and mascara.
I think a really good video would be a study on why male or more masculine hobbies are prized over feminine hobbies. If you ask a group of boys "What is the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek?" You are very likely to get annihilated, but if you ask a group of girls who like Kpop "What's the big deal with Got7 and BTS?" And they answer you in an excited but kind manner, they're hysterical and stupid. Anything that is enjoyed by girls that does not have the specific goal of making a girl more attractive (i.e makeup) is cast aside and seen as trivial, where as male centered hobbies like video games and Marvel and DC are payed extreme attention to and treated with respect. If little girls freaked out over Winx club the way little boys freaked out over Batman movies they are harshly criticised. The only way to not be criticised is to choose a male centered hobby, even then the boys within those hobbies will likely call you a fake fan, so you essentially need to pick your poison here. I wonder if this topic is linked to making women seem more like commodities made to be pretty, rather than human beings who have interests beyond boys and looking good. It'd be really interesting to see it being spoken about
And even "traditionally feminine" hobbies like makeup, fashion and skincare, that are actively pushed onto girls and women from their birth onwards, are looked down upon and trivialized. I used to be really into makeup for about 2 years and am now into skincare, and I constantly get told how stupid it is to like that and how it's not even a hobby, because all I do is "spend money on frivolous things". Literally the exact same people who chastized me for being a tomboy as a child (both men and women btw) and early teen now chastize me for having traditionally feminine interests. Specifically when I was into makeup, people would regularly tell me that I was "lying to myself and others" by putting "so much makeup on". If you have traditionally feminine hobbies/interests, even those that "serve the purpose" of making you more conventionally attractive to men, it's considered frivolous, stupid, vapid, arrogant and unnecessary. If you have traditionally male hobbies/interests, you're considered a lying faker or you're accused of just doing it for male attention and validation, or you're just called an ugly tomboy. As a woman, no matter what you do, you cannot win, ever. That's by design. You're not doing anything wrong, you're simply not SUPPOSED to win. If there was a way for women to "win" in society, the patriarchial system would have failed. Keeping (cis-)men in power in society relies on women consistently attempting, and failing, at achieving perfect womanhood, which would finally make them considered worthy of respect, to finally be considered an equal. It's never going to happen. If a woman achieves one goal, male-dominated society simply moves the goalpost, or changes the goal entirely, making the achievement worthless in the process, to keep women distracted, so that women keep on toiling for some perceived goal that will finally grant them equality.
this really is just your personal experience and age showing here. people mock what they don't understand. as a boomer i can tell you that plenty of nerds and geeks were mocked for decades for liking star wars/trek or dnd/video games etc. kpop isn't mainstream, so you'll be made fun of. video games, marvel and DC were cast aside and seen as trivial too right until executives realised how much money could be made from it. "gendered" hobbies have gatekeepers on both sides. if a boy wants to do dance or cheerleading, he's gay. not that it will help you but men aren't seen as human beings, they are human doings. no-one gives a shit about mens thoughts or feelings, only what he provides for them. the grass isn't any greener.
@@scottdobson1384 it's not just their personal experience, it's also mine, and so many other ladies' as well. even liking mainstream things such as Taylor Swift or One Direction will be seen as cringey. “chick flicks” as well. god forbid you enjoy a chick flick. many men refuse to watch any “chick flicks” despite the what they're about. and kpop is pretty mainstream.
"Some of these models may be larger in size but in general they're still facially beautiful": not even going into the implication that larger isn't beautiful, a majority of plus-size models are not even actually plus size. They're obviously "larger" than a mainstream model (who's typically underweight) but they're well under a size 16, which is where plus size begins. They're literally average size-wise.
Question: Which is more beautiful? A 19 year old Naomi Campbell or a 19 year old Naomi Campbell who weights 300 pounds? Beauty is subjective, but if you ask a thousand people that question, what do you think the average answer would be?
In high fashion, plus size begins at a size 8. Which is absolutely ridiculous, but technically many women marketed as "plus size" fall into that category for luxury fashion houses.
I'm a mixed woman with kinky hair I gave up on bein pretty when I was like 17. I have green eyes, and that the only feature I get compliments in, but I was bullied in school for my afro hair. It is hard for me to really feel good about people telling me "how pretty my eyes are" since I know the reason my whitest body part is praised, while my blackest feature is hated, mocked and to this day people still ask me to hide it with relaxers, and straighteners This is no coincidence, we all know why 🙄
My dad all ways tells me that beauty isn’t anything physical. The personality of a person is what truly makes them beautifully. He always quotes MLK line of judging people “not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”. Wherever ever people ask me what the perfect girl would look like to me I always answer by saying that I don’t have any real preference in looks. This gets me weird looks and remarks about how I’m just saying that to sound nice. I kinda just wished more people would have that kinds of attitude about beauty and would forsake the idea of makeup in general, for either sex.
I have to say, I've found very different people to be beautiful over the years, conventionally attractive or not. I think what I consider physically beautiful often shifts to match the appearance of someone I'm attracted to for other reasons, in fact. I still have a sort of idea of what I consider beautiful by default that largely matches social beauty standards, but I've found that the category will always shift to include a woman that I'm attracted to for being smart, and interesting, and a good person, whether or not it includes anyone in between, and it will also always shift to exclude jerks.
My mom was similar to your dad in this respect. Prioritise the character of a person, not looks. But, still she also emphasised how important it is to look good since everyone makes judgments about looks even without realising. And as someone who presents fem, looks are even more important in society. I totally agree with you though! Appearance and beauty shouldn’t be the most important thing in any relationships. I’m bi, and I’ve found that to me, a personality is far more attractive than appearances. Of the people I’ve been attracted to, it’s usually because of something like their sense of humour, or a gentle nature that stands out to me. Then, I slowly grow to find a person physically attractive as I get to know about them, since I attribute their appearance to a person I really like. I wish for a future where people can happily be themselves without question, where there aren’t any ideas of a “standard”, just people being the kind of person they really want to be. We won’t get it in this generation, but we sure can make the way towards that future easier for the next.
It's almost an old fashioned attitude (in a good way). I've seen it more often in older men -maybe they are wiser? A lot of young guys seem to almost pride themselves on being "objective" and judgmental in how they see female beauty, and act like the old addage of "beauty on the inside" is bullshit. Which is strange to me. Have most people not experienced getting to know a person, realizing they have a wonderful personality and noticing how that wonderfulness radiates outwards, too? I have noticed so many times that as I start to enjoy someones company more, I also start to find them more physically attractive. I think it's an actual documented psychological phenomenon, but everyone talks about the halo-effect, and never that.
@@yltraviole Oh, that's an interesting observation. I wish I knew more elderly people who were willing to talk about this to see if what you're observing is generally true for that demographic. From my experiences, I also see that a lot of older people tend to get less involved with performative societal standards (not that it's true for every old person). It sounds like the people commenting in this thread all experience that phenomenon you're describing: shifting perception of what's attractive depending on the people you interact with. We should talk about these experiences more, how a personality can shine outward and create its own beauty. While we criticise our media and society for overvaluing physical beauty, it's also important to emphasise things that we can and already do focus on in its place. Also I wanted to add, there's this trend of rating people's (physical) attractiveness on a 10-rating scale, oh that's a 6/10 or a 10/10, etc. which is fine and all, but sometimes I see people treat it like an objective standard. When really, what is attractive can be subjective and heavily influenced by the individual's tastes and experiences.
@@yltraviole older men are definitely more chill about pretty much everything that has to do with being a woman... makeup, periods, emotions - they've seen it all. i've dated men 8, 10 and 15 years older than me and from my personal experience that range is the most comfortable i've been in a relationship. meanwhile the most insecure and unhappy i've ever felt was with a guy who is 5 years younger than me AND he was the most attractive out of everyone i've ever been with. literal proof that personality wins over looks any day. emotional maturity is also very important.
The beauty standards made my bar for women unrealistic, I always had to get the prettiest girl in town or I would be doomed. Even the perception for myself, look like a bodybuilder and be wealthy. So glad I don't think like this anymore. It was toxic and I worn myself out
It sounds like a lot of guys here are sad about their height. So here's a message to you from me: My boyfriend is around 165 cm (5'4 in US) and is fucking beautiful and sexy. Our bodies are actually pretty much the same size, so we even share some of our clothes, hahhha. It's fun. There's no reason to try to compensate being short with extreme fitness, being a "manly man" (looool at that expression) or whatever you think you need to do
@@user-xu3cz7vp2j idk how you’re so illiterate or how you intepreted it so wrong. OP said that their bf is beautiful and sexy DESPITE of their height. they’re saying they don’t care if their bf is short or tall because in their eyes he is still beautiful. that’s the thing about love, you love your partner’s traits, they’re perfect to you. she’s saying that there’ll always be someone out there who’ll love you for who you are and not care about your height.
Men's value can be separated from how they look but women are so often seen as at least partially decorative no matter what they achieve which means that their value and their beauty are so tightly tangled together that they can never be separated. Unfortunately for me, I love acting, it is one of the most enjoyable and fulfilling activities I have ever experienced personally. I HAVE to be beautiful to even be allowed to participate in the art form I love the most. It's so messed up, I know I've already been given opportunities that other women haven't because the director liked my look better. When I found out I needed a nose job to reduce my risk of deadly asthma attacks I was scared... but I was also THRILLED that I'd be getting a nose designed to perfectly harmonize with my face. I have no choice with that one but if it means I'll get even more chances to act I'd get a few more surgeries for purely aesthetic reasons. I'm sure surgery hurts less than not being able to do what you love in life.
True, even the ugliest man can make up for his looks by being wealthy, by having a higher socio economic status, being socially dominant/powerful, but the same never works for woman. An attractive woman is never valued regardless how successful she is, her success even reduces her value, unfortunately.
@Kill it with fire A recent survey study found that women rate men 2 or 3 points higher on an attractive scale, when his salary is multiplied by a factor of 10. Even the physicial attractiveness perception changes. The same doesn't work for women. I'm getting incel energy around here btw so I'm not bothering with replying anymore 😂, no offense 💁🏻♂️
@Kill it with fire That's not the case for long term relationships. But then, a recent survey study even stated, women somewhat considers a guy's social status, even for a one night stand. Crazy but being higher in the dominance hierarchy helps a man more than anything.
the secret to looking young on video and in pictures is... you ready?... HGH / HRT, healthy dieting, proper exersise, being at a healthy weight, intense hygene, conservative ammounts plastic surgery, money, photoshop / editing software, and decent to great genetics. BAM so basically if you have one of the 2 youre pretty much good, but if you dont have genetics or money well youre pretty much fucked lol
Or intense plastic surgery if you have an amazing surgeon. Many K-pop stars (both male and female) undergo intense procedures to get a standard beautiful face.
@@KarlSnarks intense plastic surgery is dangerous and reckless the best method is what the other dude said, exercise and diet just be an over all healthy person
I gotta say nobody finds Jayz attractive, quite the opposite, people often take him as an example as that you dont need to be attractive to be successful
@@George-zh1og yeah pretty much that, his appearance isnt attractive, but his money and talent is. If you remove all you know about him and see him in a Walmart, you would think hes ugly
Ikr, mostly I've seen people commenting on how it's even possible that a guy who looks like him is with Beyonce, so I think that's the general perception
@@George-zh1og everybody thinks he is ugly, not to mention in what world are Tom Hiddleston, Jason Momoa or Rami Malek anything other than conventionally attractive?
Currently I'm doing media studies and I wanted to add this; Within advertisement men have 9 categories that they can represented, to list; Hero(he excels in sports military etc.) , outdoors man, Urban Man, family man, breadwinner, at work, erotic, consumer and finally Quiescent (he's inactive). Want to know how many women get? Three, just three! Them being; Domestic (mother), Beauty, or a sex object (I'm not kidding we literally call it that).
Hello I'm back lol. My partner wondered what the difference between "beauty" and "sex object" is, which is an interesting question. Could you say that the "sex object" is the sexualised "beauty"?
@@clare2385 Beauty refers to society's idea of beauty such as flawless skin you see in makeup advertisements; meanwhile 'sex object' refers to society's idea of sexy, typically always following the male gaze (the 'are you beach body ready?' ad for example). To an extent there is a little overlap (also the both treat the woman as an prop), however the main difference is that 'sex object' sexualizes the woman in the male gaze, positioning them in poses that are sexual, clothing (or lack there of) that's sexual, props that indicate sexual acts etc; but beauty is more 'family-friendly' centering on the face and a focus on the product in improving the (typically) woman's 'natural' features.
The difference is also evident on negative comments about celebrities. When someone comments on ,for example, Adam Driver in a negative way, there are thousands of people that show their support by either disagreeing or saying that he is a good actor and his appearance shouldn't even be commented on. But you see comments about actresses and while there are some people that are outraged most don't show the kind of support that comes off as a mass protection movement. some women even agree so they can feel better about themselves.
There's a huge double standard on the frequency of those comments too. A female celebrity's looks are noticed and critiqued pretty much every time they make any public appearance, even when they're just running errands or whatever. But a male celebrity usually only gets commented on when they're exceptionally conventionally attractive or played a role where that is the expectation and didn't meet it.
I can tell you why in the specific case of Adam Driver. It's because he's an unconventional attractive man that has a very passionate fanbase(which often actresses, for some reason, don't have) and he gets regularly attacked for his looks, at least once a month(meaning an hit tweet about how ugly he is, or how mediocre he looks etc..), plus he's stated multiple times that he has been very insecure about his looks in the past, and has a form of social anxiety. Add to that, that his passionate fanbase is mostly women, and I think his personality and general hate towards his looks creates a strong "us vs them" situation, in which his fans get overly protective and would go to great lengths to defend him and only him. In his particular case, the dissing happens frequently, so I honestly don't know if other male celebs with unconventional looks get criticized this often, but Adam Driver's situation is not a good example to use. I however, 100% agree that female celebs don't get the same appreciation\protection from their fans, especially actresses. There have been so many hit tweets joking about Anja Taylor-Joy's face proportions for example that I lost count, and people just tend to laugh along or ignore them, instead of supporting her.
@Kill it with fire I don't like to use the word "ugly" in the first place, so I don't know about that. I honestly think he's an handsome man and a very good actor, I don't even see the "unconventional" side of his beauty tbh, but I know people use that term often to describe him. Also actors like Danny Devito are all the things you described, and I still never saw a hit tweet about people calling him "ugly", while there are a great number of female celebs(and particular cases like Driver) that get made fun of constantly for no reason.
@happy baby You're very right. There are also some female singers\musicians that have very passionate fanbases, and the vast majority of these fans are women(ex: Taylor Swift). Women seem to form very strong bonds with their favourite celebs and fellow fans and don't hesitate to defend them, while men sometimes do that towards other men(for example Keanu Reeves) but I've never seen them do it for female celebs. I remember how cute and fluffy Twitter got all of a sudden when Chris Evans accidentally posted dick pics(lots of men protecting him etc..) and how cruel and disgusting people(mostly men) were acting when nudes of supposedly "loved" female celebs got stolen and posted everywhere.
@happy baby I like that you touched upon "forced feminism". It seems so weird to me that girls backing up girls is seen as frivolous, forced, or outright humorous, but guys backing up guys isn't.
I think that the distinction of beauty standards also deals with who is the one "in charge" in society. Using movies as an example, it is easier to see less conventionally attractive men or those with less conventional traits to be leads because movies are made with men as the default audience (or the majority). Implicitly, the male approach is the dominant in creating movies and the main audience focus. Movies for men by men, hence why actors like Jonah Hill are leads because it is expected that the male audience connects with him. In the case of conventionally beautiful women, these actresses represent the women you want to have. If women had an equal standing in terms of marketing, all types of women would be visible in ads and movies.
That's not true though when you look at films that cater to women. The female leads in those films are still very attractive and pretty idealistic in their body type, even if they temporarily wear makeup to make them less attractive early on in the story.
The reason is because men really don't put much emphasis on "THE MEN" appearance. They can put whatever type on screen, and if it fun or funny to watch men will watch the movie. Men don't idolized other men as much compare to women.
@@derek96720 ‘films that cater to women’ what, chick flicks and romcoms? Where every other conversation or action is somehow related to the male lead and/or ‘getting the guy’ in the end? You have heard of the Bechdel test right? Just because a film ‘caters to women’ it doesn’t necessarily diminish the fact that it can still be catering to the male gaze (which can occur on multiple levels, not just the audience watching it for example but the male characters in the movie). Also ‘films that cater to women’ is not synonymous with the fact that they were directed by women, produced by women etc. who might want to place emphasis on normalising average looking women/ or devaluing beauty as a measure of ones worth due to their own personal experiences. Furthermore, we’ve established beauty is a type of currency in this day and age and that we show interest in seeing pretty people (through consumer habits and what we spend our time watching etc.). The idea that this is problematic has only recently become a more widely held belief amongst the general public, so for Hollywood to acknowledge this, catch up and make actual changes, in terms of diversifying casts for example, will take a while.
"Creating the desease and then selling you the cure" - how damn spot on! All of my physical insecurities have come from media telling me from a you age that I have to look this and that way, and the people around me not questioning it or even enforcing these believes. Objectively I look... fine I guess, but subjectively there are so many "flaws" in my appereance that I'm very self-conscious about, it's crazy... and sad.
I hate it whenever men say “why do you wear so much makeup take it off” the reason why is bc the beauty standards against women are so unrealistic. And we’re still expected to only get a good career if we’re good looking. What do you expect me to do 😐
ohh please....this isn't reality....this is "reality" of hollywood where obviously looks are a requirement. I find it stupid to believe that an employer is gonna hire a dumb hot woman over an average looking smart woman. His company isn't gonna make much money. Maybe you're not that smart.
@@youtubesucks2755 yeah but either way a woman is judged by her looks all the time. Doesn’t matter even if they’re not convenient in the situation. So your “point” was definitely not made.
@@irlane9539 lol you just disagreed with me and "my point is not made"....top notch logical response...no wonder they don't hire you. I have a lots female and male friends who work with me. None of them were hired for their looks. All of us are a valuable asset to our company. Nobody is that stupid to hire an unskilled employee. The world isn't out to get you. Only place where looks are valued is hollywood and modelling.
One of the most frustrating things is that celebrities get plastic surgery to have a perfect body and a perfect face, and they tell you you can achieve the same thing without plastic surgery
this reminds me that my girl friends always said that why is it so easy for men to be attractive. smart hairstyle, nice perfume and good fashion sense, then they are attractive, but for women, it is hard. when the thing is, it is not hard because we are not pretty, it is hard because the beauty standard that does exist, to make us 'change' the way we are !
@Kill it with fire Having a super high paying job, having a higher social and economic status, having a nice car, owning a great apartment, etc would do more than 50 percent of the work, for men. Society judges men for all these factors together, along with looks, while a woman's only value is her looks.
It's so funny looking at the comments and in some of them, when a woman is complaining about the double standards in beauty, a man has to jump in and make it about himself. Write your own comments ffs
Well go to any channel where men complain about things, you'll see far worse. Women think "incel" is a funny term to use to make a man feel bad about himself.
Whenever I consider getting plastic surgery, as so so many girls my age ponder about, I think "if I don't love these features, who will? If I don't try to normalize features such as mine, then other girls might grow up with the same struggle". But now I'm addicted to Snapchat filters to the point of delusion, so I'm trapped in this mess anyway
I'm with you--I like what makes me different. I'm also broke AF and couldn't afford plastic surgery even I wanted to lol. I have a friend who is a year younger than me and already addicted to Botox, fillers, all of it. And the sad part is all those procedures make her look considerably older, almost like she's telling on herself. She's got this permanently frozen, wide-eyed expression that's borderline creepy. Because she can't move her face you can't tell if you've made her laugh or pissed her off 🤔
Here's something to consider: those "features" you want to fight for, might not even be there. Phones' lenses, due to size and manufacturing constraints, will tend to display selfies (assuming your phone is somewhat close to your face when you snap) with a fish-eye lens. That elongates and enlarges your nose, thins out your face, and (again, because lenses aren't perfect) might get your skin tone wrong. Those were some major concerns for me, but when I took my picture taken from farther away with a better camera, it was like a completely different person. That obviously won't address the root of your (unfortunate) insecurities, but I'm hoping it helps?
Yeah I'm same. I think sometimes maybe I'll really be happier with a rhinoplasty, my face will look so much prettier. But then I think what if I have a daughter or a son and they tell me that they hate their nose, the logical thing would be to tell them to love themselves as such but how can I spread that message when I myself couldn't accept myself? How can i not expect them to follow my footsteps and get plastic surgery too? If I want the world's mindset to change i need to change my own mindset too
@@notonfire7318 Whether or not you get surgery is entirely your choice. Neither decision is better and I am not trying to convince you to do it. However, I'd like to offer a different perspective. Getting a rhinoplasty is neither a failure to accept yourself nor setting a bad example. It is making an informed choice to improve your quality of life or to express yourself. Sometimes, loving yourself means changing yourself. Rather than teaching your kids to put up with their flaws no matter what, it may be more valuable to explain to your kids that while beauty standards are flawed and they should never feel that they have to change themselves, it is okay if they want to modify their bodies in the future, whether those are conventional cosmetic modification or things that are more niche and subcultural. If they choose to do so, it is important to make these decisions in a safe and well-informed manner. In my opinion, while it's good to encourage your kids to embrace their unconventional features, enforcing the idea that it's a moral failing to change your body is a very harmful message in its own right. You are not defined by what you look like and there is no special merit to remaining unmodified. I also don't think you should deny yourself your own happiness because it might be a bad example for hypothetical kids, whether or not you choose to get surgery. You are more than just a parent.
middle eastern genes too here, and the issue of dark eyebags and body hair (along with hair thickness and dark color) are an absolute nightmare when trying to look "good". and then the issues of nose.... god. now, when thick eyebrows are in style and body hair is... more or less... more acceptable, theres still the issue of unibrows, of ingrown hairs, of moustache, of leg hair that grows thicker and darker -when usually the models who have body hair have it thin and light. its the same with the issue of weight - plus size actresses and models are, at least the famous ones, almost all long-haired, blonde or fair-haired, or light-skinned or with light colored eyes, always perfectly made up and dressed in very well tailored clothes made to smoothen the body and hide flabs or folds. i love fashion, but my body type is rather weird (short legs, fat upper arms and thighs, wide chest and waist, wide-ish shoulders) so there were a lot of crying spells in changing rooms, so... something i do wish you had delved a bit more into is the issue of time. besides the cost of beauty (which im so glad you tackled, since people like incels and even just average folk believe people are "born beautiful", instead of being raised and taken care in a very specific way to avoid looking "bad", meaning fat, having bad skin, bad posture, bad teeth, etc, or simply being of a specific ethnicity deemed "beautiful"), time is an extremely importany aspect of beauty imo. women are expected to learn how to apply makeup, and that is a talent that like everything needs to be trained with practise and tools, economic means. the time women devote to beauty (from hair removal to shopping for clothes to applying makeup to fitness routines, everything which is then added to child rearing and housework and working at a job to earn money, without taking into account basic stuff like eating and socializing) is also a huge factor deeply related to ones economic status.
The conversation about plus size models always comes when I'm talking about it with friends... Where I live a lot of popular brands on instagram love to hire influences ss models and Ofc have a wide "range" of inclusivity. At first glance? Wow this kinda looks good. But then: If they're black (which only means African descendents (nothing wrong with that, but in my country is mostly natives and you can see how they're never include them bc I guess it doesn't seem cool/exotic enough I guess) they're thin; if they are Asian they have double eyelids and super light skin; if they're trans: they're super cis passing, also skinny. And with plus size models: they always have the hour glass type of figure, their faces are always small and without a double chin, small waist, big butt, small shoulders, and WHITE (also super pale. In my country most of the ppl are mixed w natives, but this models are always crazy pale like?) Like you can be plus size but only if you look like that. Ofc I understand that we shouldn't care about instagram range of models, but this type of things can get stucked without you even realising it, and since representation matters for those who don't see themselves as much, Idk it just doesn't sit right with me that brands get the clout for inclusion but it's always in this way...
not all middle eastern fits those standards it's just making more stereotypes but there is nothing wrong with body hair it means more hair on head eyebrows and eyelashes look at the positive side i rather be hairy and shave the rest than being hairless with thinning hair and have to draw eyebrows all time and eyes look like they have no eyelashes on because it's light and skinny makeup is not always there
I love being middle eastern. Yes, I used to have body hair which sucked, but it's all permanently gone now thanks to laser hair removal and I'm just left with fabulous lashes, eyebrows, and hair.
To be honest, women frequently bully other women into "complying to feminine beauty standards". I have had at least 10 instances were I was told by another girl at school, work, family member of a female friend that I should use more make up or change my appearance according to standards of the media. I was never told this by a man. In fact, my husband loves that I have a good skin care routine but do not wear make up unless it's for special occations. My husband also encourages me to wear my hair long and to wear dresses, because he thinks it looks good on me. While the media and society told me to dress more like feminists (trousers, less feminine clothes) and that this is what is desireable. I came to a point where I don't give a sh*t about the media or society anymore. I wear what I like and feel comfortable with. And if my husband likes my choices too, then it makes me even more happy to be loved for being myself with my own style. Just comparing the media vs. reality...
Also i do just wanna add to this that most people feel unattractive when they’re not entirely because they’ve been fed a very white, thin, able bodied, heterosexual, cisnormative and eurocentric vision of beauty. The men i find attractive are so far outside of this standard that i honestly find it sad when men think they aren’t or can’t be seen as beautiful when to me it seems as easy as changing your hair slightly or wearing different clothes. I think messing with your appearance is a fun and joyful experience when you focus less on changing your body or face!
I honestly gained so much confidence when i started just braiding my hair in different ways. It didn’t always look good, but it became fun to mess with my appearance until i started genuinely feeling better about the way i look.
Most men feel insecure about their height and penis size actually, not so much about hair and clothes, and I can somewhat see why they would have those problems.
15:33 that "may as well call it prostate cancer" had me dead! I laughed so hard I had to pause the video for five minutes to calm down again great video btw. very informative and I loved how calm and neutrally you portraied them!
When I was a teen I suffered terribly because of that. Terribly. Now I'm 33 years old woman I quit social media. Applying make up one day it's fun, everyday is a bit exhausting.
How to look and feel youthful without spending money like a celebrity: 1) don't drink alcohol (or limit the use of alcohol you consume, it really ages your skin) 2) don't smoke/don't do drugs (pretty self explanatory) 3) if you want tanned skin please avoid fake tanning. Go to the beach either really early in the morning (from 7 am to about 10:30 am or from 5 pm to 7 pm, these are the healthiest times to be in the sun). Sun rays during the zenith are extremely dangerous (will cause skin cancer) and will also age your skin 4) use face oils instead of expensive moisturizers (like rosehip oil, jojoba oil, etc.). Put a little bit of coconut oil around your eyes to avoid wrinkles in the future. Don't forget the neck and chest! 5) Don't wait till you're 50 to try anti-aging products. That's not how it works. Take care of your body while you're young!! 6) Have good hygiene! 7) Maintain a healthy weight for your body (exercise regularly but pick something you enjoy doing. If you hate running don't run, if you dread the gym find something else you enjoy, there's something out there for everyone). I find that physical exercise has tremendously lowered my stress during school and made me feel happier and makes you want to eat healthier. 8) Don't bottle your emotions, do not actively hate people or hold grudges. Bad thoughts and energy can alter your physical and emotional states. 9) Tell yourself you're beautiful everyday
@serena christina I disagree. Coconut oil has different reactions to different people. Personally it has worked really well for me. My mom has used coconut oil on her face for a year and yes it caused her breakouts, and then it stopped. I believe it made all the junk from underneath the skin come to the surface until it got cleansed completely. But again different people different reactions. Same with using coconut oil on hair or scalp. Some people say it works, others don't
2:43 I never thought of it that way. Cosmetic companies make an ACTIVE decision to ignore half of the population. It would take something notable for them to give up making more money.
I love this video. Growing up I loved theatre and wanted to be an actress so badly, I was obsessed with Artaud and exploring the darker side of theatre. I loved being on the stage, but when I started realising what I would need to do to be a successful actress outside of just drama clubs etc the only hurdle that stopped me was feeling like I just wasn’t pretty enough. Many of my favourite actors growing up were male and I think that is largely because looks just don’t matter as much in theatre for men, some of the best male actors aren’t conventional attractive but their ability to mould into characters is amazing. I started to realise there weren’t many female actresses I actually admired because I didn’t look like any of them, especially not those in commercials and magazines. None of the women on TV had cystic acne like me, or super dark eyebags or a big forehead. I feel like it’s rare to google an actress these days and not see ‘actress and model’. I wish we had the same mindset towards female actresses as male ones, then maybe I wouldn’t have given up on my dream
@Fat Face Bork Laser Um women are judged way more than that dude. Ever noticed how much hotter female News anchors are then men? How women have cosmetic surgery but men don't? Women have to wear make-up but there's no such thing for women?
@Fat Face Bork Laser™ Dude you've been completely obssessed commenting everywhere about height. You make it seem like you're butthurt about and being small. Stop, get some help.
Gosh I feel like this all the time and I know we live in a society and we feed into it but it’s just so exhausting. I envy men because generally they only have to focus on their facial hair, how fit their body is and leave the damn house. Even men who don’t give 2 shitts about their weight or face, are still seen as normal. like even I as a woman do not blink twice when I see men like that. But if I see a woman, just as if I see myself leaving the house without putting in “the expected effort” I hear myself judge me as well any women who I perceive has failed this imaginary standard of beauty. I’m really trying to wear less makeup and be confident in my skin but it’s so hard to break this habit of judgement. Anyway thanks for talking about this. And I subscribed!
It’s refreshing to hear a man talk about these issues! I’ve seen plenty of videos about the beauty standard made by women but not so much by men. And sometimes it feels like only women are aware of it. Honestly gives me hope for the society!
Some people will never know how painful it is to know that society will never find you beautiful because of certain features u have. And it really hurts. It’s something I struggle with all the time. If only we could break this somehow and hold men and women to the same standard because I’m tired of hating myself. I’m tired of it consuming my everyday life and it becoming something that I think about regularly. It’s really unfair.
Aw. I hate that you feel this way about yourself. It pains me to hear about people thinking they're ugly because of the societal standards we've all been taught from a young age. You are a beautiful person whether you believe it or not. Tell yourself that everyday and I hope you'll realize that someday ❤
The men in movies, TV, advertisements, and music videos all wear make up though. No men on the screen just wear the skin they're born with with no touch ups.
I believe all women, myself included, understand that it's simply ridiculous to want to be as "beautiful" as someone who's job is literally being beautiful.. But we still can't help comparing and being compared to the illusion the media is selling. And the same goes for men, they don't have to look like a chiseled Adonis to be attractive, but the unfair comparisons are there. Ps:I'm incredibly impressed with your take on masculinity and femininity, man like you give me hope..
true for women but not for men. Men have much harder time when it comes to dating. We do have to look like an adonis to get noticed. Average guys are already bombarding women with so much attention it's hard to stand out if you don't look like adonis.
@@youtubesucks2755 plz I do not want my mentions to turn into a r/niceguys sub-reddit.. You're talking nonsense and you know it. If ut was only Adonis who could get women the population would be 50%smaller than it is. People are nit exclusively attracted to looks, and attraction is extremely subjective . So instead of accusing of being exclusively shallow, maybe you should reconsider to type of women you're chasing..
@@borednerd2100 Settling isn't attraction lol. And don't talk about this "nice guy" shit. I never claimed I am nice. Your argument can be applied to this entire comment section. Coz all women are doing here is complaining. Yet when a man does it ..it's somehow awarded with an insult like "nice guy". I'll stop stop replying if it is so insulting to you that men also have problems.
@@borednerd2100 the pointing isn't about ending up with somebody. It's about putting an effort. People put an effort when they find somebody attractive. Men may do it less subtly than women but point is both men and women show interest when they are attracted to somebody. It just so happens that women are attracted to very few men. They might end up with them coz you know statistics. But that doesn't mean women are attracted to most men. There are literally studies done on this. So probably you are the one who is talking nonsense. But again you'll call me "nice guy" so consider this my last comment if I see any insults form your side.
@@youtubesucks2755 where did I say you can't complain or that men can't have issues. Women over aren't complaining about dating or men not being attracted to them, they're complaining about media's constant and ruthless attacks on their self-image and esteem. And I personally acknowledged that men deal with these issues as well in my comment! Meanwhile you're mad because women don't find average people attractive when that's not true.. You can't be indignant about women being attracted to near perfect physics, it's just nature. But just because they might swoon over certain models /singers/actors does not mean they are exclusively attracted to them and no one else can get their attention . Are you telling you are not attracted to "perfect" women and that you don't seek out women who are conventionally beautiful? That you've never dismissed a women because you found her "ugly"? Because otherwise , you're being hypocritical..
I was thinking about Leonardo DiCaprio the other day, and I realized that the world started taking his career more seriously when he left the "pretty boy" phase that he had at the beginning. He's probably going to be a sex icon for the rest of his life lol, but if we compare his situation with some actresses, you can notice how the beauty standards are really different. People started taking Leo more seriously now that he's not "just a face", but society tells women that they can never change their appearance, cause they need to remain young and beautiful to succeed.
He started to be taken more seriously by other men in Hollywood. Women for the most part completely ignore him and have since he stopped putting in the effort. Same as Johnny Depp. Sure, DiCaprio won the respect of his older, less attractive peers (directors, producers), but it still obvious that traditional pretty boy actors have to ugly up to get offered serious roles as those who run the production companies are still men. Often unattractive ones who have to resort to skeeviness to get sexual access the DiCaprio/Depp types don’t have to do anything for, even less pay for. That’s hardly winning I genuinely think it might’ve been calculated so they don’t get left out of the power circle in Hollywood. Anyone at any age doesn’t look at these guys in the same way anymore. Let alone the younger crowd. They have to pay big time for the younger attention.
"If I don't see a beautiful person advertising the product, I won't want to buy the product." is also not a good argument because most of use actually look at Amazon reviews, Yelp, friends, etc. The average person's experience is actually pretty important to my buying habits and I'd bet I'm not unusual in that regard. I would LOVE to see clothing, especially, advertised with a wider range of body shapes and sizes.
I think clothes will generally look better on a person with a slim physique and conventional attractiveness than on an average person. So you're more likely to buy something that "makes" someone look great (without noticing that they looked great already). Subsequently, if the clothing piece was worn by an average model, both in looks and physique, it may not look as "great" and it'd represent closer to what you'd actually look like wearing it, you might pass buying it.
He dissected it so well. I wish we could give each other a break and stop this thing of judging people based on how they look.... aghh when are we ever gonna evolve as a human race🤦🏾♀️
The only thing that these beautiful people on tv achieved themselves* is staying fit. The rest is achieved with makeup and good lighting / camera work. It is easy to stay healthy and youthful when that is basically your only job. They eat the best food prepared by the best chefs, exercise 3-4 hours a day at the best gyms with the help of the best trainers, live comfortably and use the best skincare products money can buy, plus a team of makeup artists and tv people do their best to make them look good. I wonder what their secret is?
I always found it funny when in a *shampoo* commercial they use not only professionally styled hair with a bunch of products in it but also good old CGI 😅
Every high school movie was like "I'm just your average plain looking girl who no one ever looks at" and it's a literal supermodel wearing glasses
And netflix has yoked high school kids looking like 23 while being 16
The exception was Sierra Burgess, but her character was a total wench.
That’s so true but I’ve noticed that’s changing lately. People are talking about how unrealistic it is and producers are noticing and now casting people who look closer to ordinary. But in order for that to work, they also need to cast women who have a natural charisma that draws us the audience into the character or the actress
Thats why I like Carrie. Sissy Spasic is beautiful yes but she looks like a normal teenager
Every Yankee action movie tells little boys to look like Rambo or Batman, but girls got it hard.
I read something on the internet once about how, for a man to be less masculine he has to actively do things like put on makeup, put on nail polish, shave facial hair, etc. But for a woman to be less feminine all she has to do is exist in her natural state-no shaving, no makeup, no nail polish. Which is interesting lol.
Wow, I never thought of it like that but that's so true.
Well that would just suggest that wearing make up is femenine
Some women look better without makeup
"Existing in her natural state" implies not bathing either so yes sure in order for a women to lose her femininity she has to have a foul stench.
Also I find it funny the same women complaining about these standards will still follow them fucking kek like bruh
@@FiniteMan1933 who said no bathing. you know what the op meant.And about women following these standards , you do realize that’s the point of this video right? no one likes them but a lot of them are pressured to follow them or else they’ll be called messy or unkept or unprofessional
I noticed from a young age that even though the "husbands/dads" in movies were generally unattractive (or had beer bellies, etc.), the "wives/moms" ALWAYS had to look like beautiful supermodels in perfect shape. Same thing with a male protagonist; he could be completely average-looking, but the girl he was chasing always had to be perfectly beautiful. It's just so unrealistic... It sends the message that only skinny, fit and conventionally beautiful women are worthy of love.
That's why most men chase the best looking females otherwise they'll be looked as losers,many dedicate their life into high paying careers just so that they can marry and show selfies with the hottest girl on social media. Men, including women talk behind a successful man whose wife/girlfriend is not pretty.
Yep I notice this too. It’s really an annoying trope.
If I ever have kids these issues on unrealistic or one dimensional expectations of beauty standards for women makes me think it would be better for my future kids to have little to no access to the internet and most tv & movies I don't approve of. Extreme I know but if it's for their sake I'll do it. I'd also talk with them more about sex and porn too just in case since I saw a documentary from the UK about finding out why women hate their lady parts so much they'd go under the knife even as young as sixteen to have their excess skin removed to get the 'perfect' bits down there. It was horrifying, graphic and terribly sad for the women. If you see that documentary on youtube as I did please don't report it or flag it. We need things like things like this easily accessible to watch for teenagers. Cause schools and doctors aren't doing what they should - teaching that their gential area is normal and doesn't need to be cut up. It had a disgusting moment of a man saying a woman has to have a pretty ****** by his standards. Disgusting by not surprising. I think most men get the idea of what's attractive down there from porn. Of course. Not against porn but why can't they understand that everything about porn including the woman's appearance is fake? The only thing remotely real is the man. And often aren't as pretty as the women. Sad truth is men really are too stupid for their own good and to the point of being insufferable to women. Sorry to carry on. This is obviously a sore subject for all women :(
@@elizabethlovett4318 I may be only responding to the last bit of your comment, but hopefully you can indulge me. Why did you have to call men stupid? Don't you think that is quite insulting? I wouldn't say that men are stupid, so much it's hard to change that mindset.
@@mehedihasan-ui6qt No, they wouldn't be losers. Normal, adjusted people wouldn't look down on a man because his girlfriend isn't an instagram model. Men like that are just extremely insecure and because of that they uphold toxic beauty standards which severely affect women.
Even Instagram filters are more targeted at women. We see that they enlarge the lips, make the nose tiny and apply make up just so can look like your favorite influencers. And not only do they make the person using them feel bad but also the others that are seeing them use them. It might not sound much, but it actually is.
Most Instagram users are women...
@@ChristianDoretti the distribution of instagram global audiences by gender in 2020 are 51% women and 49% men. It is not that big of a difference.
@@despoina7547 what about published content? Are there equal number of female and male faces?
@@toku_oku by producing content, do you mean gaining money by your instagram account? i could not find any data on content anyway, but i think that you might believe girls publish more content bc a considerable percentage of female influencers use beauty as a marketing tool and so they target mainly women as an audience. that makes us think it is more prevalent and we judge them using instagram for it. we don't tend to think men that produce similar content as obsessed and we also view them as the exception. women are expected to associate with feminine things that's why it seems much more. as for my social circle, i see an equal amount of content being produced by girls and boys. also, google is free.
@@despoina7547 That's fake, I don't know where's that from but all I see on Instagram is females.
My favorite is when people justify women's beauty standards by saying, "Well people just respect people who 'take care' of themselves." Like, yeah, skin and hair bleaching, heat styling, clogging your pores with cosmetics, violently ripping your body hair out from the roots, applying potentially irritating chemicals to your skin, not to mention dedicating a significant portion of your budget to do all that... That's how you *take care* of yourself. Sure thing, Jason.
@@acerunraldmage I feel like it's 2013 again with all the "what about the men" comments on this video. Time, money, and effort weren't even the point of my comment. My point was that what some people describe as "taking care of yourself" is often literally damaging your body. It's ironic.
Also, women are also expected to have fit bodies. Like, I have sympathy for men who feel compelled to spend every waking moment at the gym to get that cut physique, but women's bodies are put under a microscope in a way that men's just aren't. To the point that many women feel compelled to get various plastic surgeries *in addition to* spending every waking moment at the gym because the bodies we're told we should have are literally impossible for us without it.
@@acerunraldmage Shut up, please. It takes intense workout and extensive health, but I am friends with a personal trainer - and it's not as fucking hard as you think.
@@acerunraldmage Women have to work out too. Thats a pretty weak point considering how many women lift weights now
when done safely all of those things are ok. a lot of makeup doesn't clog pores etc. i do all of those things for myself and no one else. i can go outside without makeup, i choose when to wear it etc. i think if you're applying makeup for an interview or because your going outside etc, thats an issue.
@@georgia1986 Of course I don't want to imply that all of these things are necessarily bad. How you choose to groom and present yourself is a valid form of self expression, and I've done plenty of it myself. The problem lies in it being a standard, though. When it's something we're told we *should* do, it's no longer self expression but conformity under threat of social exclusion. That part is definitely bad, especially when there are entire industries dedicated to maintaining these standards for profit. They do that by creating a false association between arbitrary grooming practices and your moral value (i.e. "If you don't do these things, you are lazy and don't care about yourself, therefore no one else should care about you either.")
I've noticed something, that even with plus sized models, they still have no facial fat, the "ideal" body shape, often hourglass or pear, relatively flat tummies and thin arms. If we make the body confidence movement something akin to "Beyond my body, I am kind, amazing and worthy of love" rather than "All bodies are beautiful and gorgeous" I think we'd progress even further, because the problem is the focus is still on beauty, and living in a beauty-centric society will always assure that someone feels left out
I really dislike body positivity because it still pushes the idea that beauty is a requirement: like you said, still beauty-centric. I suggest you look into body neutrality- it takes away the need for beauty and focuses on the body as something to nourish and take care of and be content with.
Most plus-size models use padding to get more of an hourglass shape. Just like skinnier models, they're still creating a standard that most normal women can't achieve.
I always freak out when I hear comments about leg size. Many women want thin legs. When I was at 19 BMI I had huge muscular legs and liked them. But girls with skinnier legs would just walk next to me and complain about their "big" legs. Some chubbier women even said "But at least my legs are skinny". I don't know what it is, but womens beauty standards seem to have no place for muscle, and a toxic hate for anything that looks muscular. "Toned" is the max we are allowed to be.
And if the campaigns focus on any “flaws” like weight, freckles, disabilities, etc., the women are still above average in looks
Facial beauty
@@MissMoontree I'm a powerlifter and someone who squates at least twice her bodyweight and bench 1,5 my bodyweight I look not really skinny. And I love it. I have 18% bodyfat so my muscles are pretty visible anyway and I wanna gain some more muscles actually. Most women dont understand that and i get called ugly and disguisting on a daily base by men and women. They say I will never find a husband and no men will ever want to touch me. I dont even look super bulking like a stephie Cohen or as lean as a Dana Linn bailey. Many powerlifter like me are in longterm relationships with men, who love their gf bodys, but sadly the mainstream hates us
Stopped wearing makeup at work and my boss scolded me for an unprofessional appearance...Like how far gone are we in society a woman’s bare face can be seen as unprofessional
@Kill it with fire definitely stupid lol
Right...
I actually think it’s much more professional but that sadly isn’t the case because of the human bias towards beauty. Looks shouldn’t matter in the average workplace imho
Ugh, I had an old boss at a coffee shop I worked the morning shift at at who saw me on a Friday night (I stopped in for something before a date) and said I needed to "look like this every day for work" at the hippy-dippiest joint in town, half of our customers barely showered. I told him he could go ahead and hire a someone to do my hair and makeup at 3am while I slept until my shift at 5 if it was that important to him.
@PeriodicalAdventures I've noticed that. I think it helps if you never wear make-up. Then it's less shocking to others when you don't wear it, because they've never seen you wearing it. I actively avoid wearing make-up in professional settings and people are just used to my face. The only times I've had dumb comments are if I entered the first day wearing make-up and then stopped. So now I never wear it.
My sister's boyfriend at the time was a nice irish men. When he came to Spain on holidays he refused to use sunscreen cream because it was a woman thing and he was not feminine, he didn't use creams at all. After 5 minutes under the sun in the south of Spain in summer, he asked for the sunscreen when he realized he was gonna burst in flames like a vampire.
lmao what a loser
fellas is it feminine to not get skin cancer?
@@wormdance128 nah, it’s just hella masculine to have a face like a old leather shoe
Imagine being THAT fragile in your masculinity that you think you're more powerful than the sun...skin cancer isn't "sexy" and getting it is not "masculine." What a stupid man child.
Okay eso me dio risa (perdón pero es que me tengo que reír), al menos vuestro cuñado aprendió la lección.
It should be mentioned, that Charlize Theron was producing "Monster". She used the movie as vehicle, to get more attention, for her acting skills, rather then her beauty. The movie was specifically targeted as an Oscar-Bait. Not taking away any of your arguments, but this is something, that happens quite often, in Hollywood. Ryan Gosling, Robert Pattinson, Cate Blanchet, Margot Robbie and others, did similiar projects, where they could get rid of their type-casting stigma.
That's really interesting, I had no idea about that. It makes sense that actors and actresses would do this so they would be taken seriously about their skills despite their attractiveness. They were only able to do those roles because they had the platform in the first place, however.
Only Scarlett Johansson hasn't tried that lol. Although maybe her role in A Marriage Story can be considered as an atempt to appear "homely".
@@SoWhosGae Check her film "Under the skin".
@@annabalto9164 Yes, that was what I'm trying to say. They already had the foot in the door, to do these projects.
@@nes8462 Dude she's beautiful there. They literally chose her "human skin" to be like that so she could lure men. I'm saying she hasn't tried any extreme physical transformation like other beautiful actresses. Maybe when she's set to win that Oscar she will though, who knows.
The point about the women being cast in movies always being beautiful, even though the role does not require them to be ... that has always bugged me,. Also the fact that in historical movies they priorates the removal of female body hair over historical accuracy. WHY? Great video, really enjoyed your take on it!!!
This!! It’s always bothered me that women in a film set in the 1800s would be completely hairless.
YES. Also how women during a pandemic movie or the literal apocalypse somehow are still finding the time to heat style their hair and shave their legs???
We were watching Batman the one with the actress named Maggie Gyllenhaa. My female cousin would complain of how ugly she was...if you notice in Michael's Bay movies the female extras are super pretty. When they focus of even a second on a female extra she is always pretty. Well he did cast Megan Fox and later a Victoria's Secret model for his Transformers movie. So, I ain't surprised....
this isnt really specific too women, but i can see why it would apply to women more. It really is just that beauty attracts viewers, so hollywood movies cast the best looking actors/actresses for roles so as to maximize profits.
@Erwin Lii of course, i was actually replying to the first few replies in this thread but this is definitely a big problem in the industry as a whole
Another problem for women is that beauty standards for their bodies change every decade or so. I remember when I was younger, having a "fat ass" was an insult, because in early 2000s, the beauty standard was to be very skinny. In the 2010s, hourglass figures and curvy bodies became the ideal. Our bodies are trends that go in and out of style.
I feel like for men, the beauty ideal is more constant? Not that it's a good and healthy ideal, but different
@Kill it with fire I think that there's some aspects of female beauty that can not be achieve naturally like breast size, hips, little noses, thin hair and so on, I'm not saying that is always fair for men either, but that an average looking man will have more chances in relationships, work and life in general that an average looking woman because of the value that is giving to a woman apparence compare to the importance that is given to the skills and personality in men (with i think is fine, it will be better if the same was for women regarding their intelligence, kindness, skills, etc.)
-i apologize for my grammar, english is not my first language
@Kill it with fire did you even watch the video? there are tons of average looking men in television and movies. look at any man in any sitcom tv show. big bang theory, its always sunny, new girl, modern family?? most, if not all of the men in those shows are average looking, to some people probably below average. big noses, double chins, eyes too close together or too far apart, bald heads, overweight, rough skin, short stature, etc etc etc. your insecurities are valid and deserve to be heard just like anyone else's, but this video was talking about how beauty standards are applied to women differently than men, and trying to undermine this issue is disrespectful.
@Kill it with fire You're saying that huge breasts can be achieved naturally without surgery whilst keeping a ridiculously slim waist if you are not born with them in the first place? so than we can say that males can achieve 6 pack abs if they go to the gym and change their life style right? And please; men give bare crap to women that are god forbid over 5'5. And women don't normally care about the penis size; its about how you know how to use it typically from what women around me and I see saying. You sound like an idiot.
@Kill it with fire are you mad? Women can't magically grow or reduce the size of their arse, or create a different waist-hip ratio depending on what body type is fashionable at any given time. The nearest you can get to it is intensive, and I do mean intensive, workouts, rigorous diets and sometimes very dangerous treatments like brazilian butt lifts. You have to make it your full time job and even then you won't get the exact look that's considered desirable, if your underlying shape isn't there.
@Kill it with fire you really have to step away from the incel websites. This headshape stuff is nonsense. But you can indeed have surgeries that will alter your face to make it more "masculine". Height is not that important. Plenty of short men (Mick Jagger springs to mind) date supermodels. Short men are often well-formed and very physically attractive, and of course you can spend ten hours a day in the gym and be on a rigorous diet to achieve the cut look of your dreams. You can have surgeries to make your penis longer or fatter, same as women do for breasts and butts. Of course they are dangerous and the results are not perfect but it IS achievable! If you honestly believe that women "can" achieve the look of a supermodel by merely working out, dieting, having surgeries and other procedures all day every day, then so can you.
I feel like the great "insult" of calling Charlize Theron's transformation "brave" is that she isn't even ugly in the movie. Like at all. She just isn't extremely good-looking anymore, and instead looks pretty average. But I promise you, if you ran across her on the street, you wouldn't think she's ugly. I feel like I know plenty of people who look like that, and many of them are even considered attractive.
I've recently figured out I'm not as ugly as I thought and am probably more like upper average, depending on the angle, but it took me ages to figure that out because we only ever see super beautiful women in movies and on TV, even when they're playing roles that are explicitly considered average looking or even "ugly ducklings" in the movie. On the other hand, I feel like there's plenty of relatively average looking male actors, who, while maybe not being considered very attractive by the public, still get to play main characters and heroes and get to look cool and even be desired etc. You don't really get that if you're a woman. I don't think I can even name an average looking actress who gets to play the main character in any movie, only ever maybe the comic relief. Even then, they're usually still pretty, but maybe have a bit more body weight.
She took all her makeup off and shaved her eyebrows, but the bone structure and facial symmetry are still there 🙄
I think the film Monster is not the best example, because Charlize Theron was clearly the best actress for the role - she was amazing. Maybe the real issue is that she had to alter her appearance so drastically in order for her talent to be seen. There's an unspoken idea that beautiful women owe it to the public to be beautiful at all times, like their looks are for other people to enjoy, the 'payment' for such an unfair advantage.
Sorry, but she was ugly, it would be an insult to all the people that worked on that to say she wasn't, because that was the point.
@@kentuckyfriedchildren5385 The point was not to be ugly, the point was to look like Aileen Wuornos. We see countless people who look like that in our real lives without ever trying to evaluate how beautiful or ugly they are
Well from a male perspective, she did look ugly, regardless of her former appearance. Thats just my opinion, its subjective.
I love this quote, "Beauty is power and since women are robbed of their beauty on a daily basis, it's no surprise that there are institutions out there that are more than happy to sell it back to them. Then steal it away from them at the next opportunity"
Agreed. I need to have it on a poster in my house somewhere.
Who said that quote?
@@MissMiserize he did at the end of this video.
@@teaareuh Lol okay. I was in the middle of the video when I saw your comment.
@@MissMiserize all good! I figured lol. I do the same all the time!
I think the problem is less how achievable beauty can be, and more how important being beautiful is for women. An ugly man can be successful and happy, but that's not seen as possible for women. It's not about women having an equivalent to Tom Hiddleston, it's about having a Danny Devito
What do you mean by successful? Dating wise or in general?
@@youtubesucks2755 I think they were thinking about the entertainment career success while writing this
well said
@@youtubesucks2755 however I remember I saw a ranking of "the richest women in the world" who made their own fortunes and the top-ranked comment was something along the lines of "so what if they're rich if almost all of them are very ugly". So, uh
Anyone can find success, regarded generally attractive or not there are so many different aspects of the entertainment genre (and whatever passion you have) you don't have to be picture-perfect nonetheless the most famous and richest actors fit the general appeal of beauty
It's interesting to me when you look at it men comercials pump their ego, but women comercials shame them.
@Alt Cont Men commercials always start that you are good, but you will be better if you use their product. Women commercials on the other hand start that there is something wrong with them and they can fix that and feel better if they use their product.
Men: real men look good with beared, but they look better clean shaved. With our razor, your beard will be smooth and manly as hell. And don't worry, she's gonna love it.
Women: Do you have problem with your skin? Do you have to much frakles? Don't worry, with this cream you will feel freash and better then ever, because that's what you deserve!
To be fair I wrote the first thing that came to my mind so it's not even close to perfect, but this is the general blueprint for male/female commercials.
@Alt Cont We are talking about comercials. Who has bigger ego is not the topic. The point is what are the bases for comercials when they are making them for men and women.
I noticed that too, its interesting.
what kind of commercials do you even watch?
@@roserose109 they're everywhere.. one just went viral for promoting concealer to men as 'war paint'
I love reading books because in books people are not sexy and ridiculously attractive. Characters who are attractive are usually only slightly above average or are only beautiful because it fits the plot. I love to see flawed people more than seeing flawless people. I want to see your scars and the textures of your face when you express yourself. I don't get impressed when I see someone at their best if their best is all I ever see.
Meanwhile women drooling over Fifty Shades Of Grey, a book which is all about a 0.0001% type of man dominating the girl next door.
Im cringing over most of you ngl
@@darkforcekiller I never read fifty shades of grey and never will. You seem very uneducated about literature and many women don't even read that smut. Especially not fifty shades of grey.
@@darkforcekiller not only me, many others too. Every single female reader friend I know hasn't read Fifty Shades of Grey. My mom read Twighlight in her teenage years, but that's it with creepy, unrealistic romance. I guess all the middle aged Women read it. But what about it? And why do you shame this woman? She said she likes books with flawed characters who are not physically attractive and have an interesting personality. Doesn't sound like fifty shades for me. Not only is fifty shades not trending anymore (at least not in the age category of 15-30), but society has moved on to complex, morally grey characters and diversity. We are getting more representation of different body types, skin colours, sexualities etc and female readers are focused on this kind of stuff.
You can see sooo many female readers here on UA-cam criticising fifty shades, twighlight, the after series etc.... seriously no your statement is still not true. Oh and you know why people are still reading it? To make fun of it lmao
And then they make a movie and the person with the boring face and a bit of a belly who felt insecure around the hot girls around her turns out to be more beautiful than all other characters 🤦♀️
"in books people are not sexy and ridiculously attractive" - haha, yeah, but have you looked at fanart of those characters? Every YA character, male or female, is portrayed as utterly stunning, and if we're honest, that's the way we imagine them to be.
The thing that bothers me most about beauty standards, is some men have no idea what it takes.
I can brush off if some idiot fantasizes movie stars as their ideal woman, but when they comparing them to me saying "Look she looks so pretty because she has that NATURAL look. If you wore bright colors and little less makeup you would look like them".
That sentiment always leaves me speechless. I get that the sun-kissed, natural, no makeup makeup thing nearly looks real, but how actual people in this day and age think those people and pictures aren't heavily... Altered, edited, retouched. It boggles my mind.
I think most guys who say they like a "natural look" don't realize that those women who look natural are still covered in makeup, still dye their hair, still do a ton of work to look "natural". If anything it feels like they are really saying "I deserve a woman who is gorgeous in the morning with no makeup up so I get something hot to look at first thing each day"
Not to mention it's incredibly hard to find a woman in the entertainment industry who hasn't had plastic surgery of some kind. Lorry Hill's channel is fascinating, people I never thought had surgery have had it. Most of these women are not natural at all.
have you tried being a man?
@@karlalan3806 You mean life on easy mode?
@@Contrarian-v7p easy mode? How funny. No one life's easy, absolutely no one wether you are man or woman. And fuck you, yo will always expect us to look like Superman. So is that okey? Can't we complaint too?
Even when you disregard all the other beauty marker expectations, typically the ideal woman is aged 18-25, whereas the ideal man is 25-35. Men are attractive when they are established in their body, women are attractive before they've finished developing, and are encouraged to avoid it at all costs 😠
Women from 18-25
Best reproductive chances.
Men like that.
Men from 25-35
Best status and at being stable.
Women love that.
There. I solved it for ya. You are welcome
@@gregorythestallion2984 that's not right. This is the reason why many women are forced into marriages at that age in many cultures which is not right. By the way average age of marriage in western countries for women are around late 20s or early 30s.
My ideal man is 35 to 45 but you may call it daddy issues👀
@@gregorythestallion2984 yup and it’s called hypergamy which is found in nature as well
@@Gawdessofficialpublishing Exactly, if hypergamy is in females nature. Looks are just not that important for men.
Have you ever noticed how actresses have to always act in a pretty way?
Just survived an explosion? Gotta do it in a pretty way.
Picking up something heavy? Gotta make sure your face is pretty while straining under the weight.
If it's not a childbirth scene (and still even then too) a woman MUST keep a pretty face while acting.
Not to mention wearing heels while running if you're in an action movie.
@@habeebaelwalily3081 like from dinosaurs
@@vivvy_0 while holding a flare
mainstream movies are just terrible. Watch some European drama stuff and will find actual normal people with grounded genuine stories and looks.
@@RealHero101111 Do u have any european drama recommendations? Im looking for some stuff to watch
I’ve met jlo in person before and I always feel the need to tell people that she very much looks 51. She looks like a 51 year old who has taken care of herself over the years but she does not look like some magical young fairy lol with all the products and time in the world you will still look your age for the most part
Agreed! People have to stop putting her and G Bundchen on a pedestal.. #overrated
same w KK's nd the hiltons... $$ is everywhere but not everyone shows it.
You can look younger if you have great genes and a baby face tho. My mom is 55 but she always get mistaken for a 40 yo, and people get shocked when they hear she have a 20 yo daughter. But yeah otherwise she still look like an adult mature woman, not an eternal 25 years old, like people say about Jennifer Lopez.
@Fat Face Bork Laser That’s a stretch, it’s dismantling the idea that women need to look young forever. Nowhere did I bash her age or looks and instead I actually complimented her. You need to rewatch the video and pay better attention.
@Fat Face Bork Laser lmaoooo I am 17. Why would a grown women looking her age make me feel better about myself? Stop trying so hard to pin women against each other. 😂
Never understood this obsession with wanting to stay young/ look young forever. Growing old is a blessing not everyone has the opportunity to experience.
Edit: youth is beautiful but there is also beauty and content with age. It’s a less shallow understanding and appreciation of life. I believe when I’m 80 I’ll want to be 80, God willing. I’ll look back on my life like what a great time I had in my 20s and what a great time I’m having now. Maybe I’m just a simple person idk.
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@@BitchChill idk maybe. It’s still in my notifications tho
Yess, I really don't get it. As an example, smile wrinkles are so beautiful! I notice my dad now getting old and he has very clear smile wrinkles (the ones close to your eyes), probably because he always laughs a lot. I think that's beautiful and hope to have even clearer smile wrinkles when I reach that age
Don't care. I want the Gift of Elves, or at least the Númenórean version of the Gift of Men.
@@ishmamahmed9306 Yeah who doesn't want to look young forever am I right, also I love LOTR!!!
This reminds me of a debate I saw, as to why calling a woman who wants a rich man a "gold-digger" is perfectly acceptable, but calling a man who wants a beautiful and young wife a "youth digger" or "beauty digger" just doesn't make sense.
There's a very clear double standard here
@Kill it with fire you really think men are getting some short end of the stick huh
@Kill it with fire
No one is getting any end of any stick. Both sexes suffer equally from bullshit expectations!
@@FoxyBoxery
Suffer? Sure. But not equally.
@@MissMiserize
Equally!
@@MissMiserize It actually is easier for women to get a man than vice versa.
When Jason Mamoa is considered “unconventionally attractive” you know it’s over yourself lol
Yeah, I think he's conventionally attractive but maybe he's talking about his long hair and beard.
I think its cause of the thick beard and hair. Or maybe because he's ethnic looking? Who knows
I didn't read that as Jason Mamoa being "unconventionally attractive" but rather as a point that men don't have a strict "conventionally attractive" model like women do.
He is "unconventionally attractive" according to the average male model/"sexiest man" standards. Doesn't mean he's not gorgeous just doesn't fit with the typical. He's a throwback to another time really.
Another actor that several people say “unconventionally attractive” is Cillian Murphy. Im like 🧐 how is that unconventional 😩😭
He said there are so many different portrayals of an attractive male and proceeded to show tall, muscular, square jawed white men
Cause thats all what there is for us to be attractive
He showed Black Panther /s. But yeah this seemed more like a critique of cosmetics (which should be critiqued) and not on double standards. Only like 20% of guys are over 6', its just the standards are different for attraction. While beauty standards are higher for women. I'm sure when comparing attraction standards they're set too high for everyone. Also tabloid gossip isnt the best place to find what guys actually like.
@@Aondy1 Agree mostly, but I would like to comment that I don't know why it matters who is held to the higher standard if we are all equally insecure, the conversation really needs to shift from complaining about the double standard and we need to start being more realistic for both men and women to solve any issues. That's where this video kinda goes wrong, it encourages the idea that women have it worse so men aren't allowed to complain which further suppresses men's thoughts and causes them to suffer in silence.
My thought exactly
@Faisol Oluwo I agree, its hard for people to hear but it really is true. Why is it still so acceptable for people to openly call men ugly? Its like they have no idea we could take offence to it.. yet it is just as detrimental to each of us to hear. It's even harder when there's barely anything to change.
When I am perceived as a woman, I am subject to all kinds of scrutiny and rage at all aspects of my appearance, just for being in public. When I am perceived as a man, all the harassment is focused on my femininity.
Wait...this is so true
Wow... that’s a really interesting approach, thanks for sharing
The most insightful comment on this entire video
Ty, person.
Genderfluid, too?
@@peanutbuttertoast7742 I'm intersex and intergender, and gender agnostic/genderfluid [edited for clarity]
It seems like the closest analogue to women's cosmetics for men is fitness/exercise-related stuff, but even then it's not advertised nearly as persistently, and also women are oft pressured to hit the gym as well, ON TOP of all the cosmetic malarky pushed on them.
Actually, think about this. How much of REAL excerising and working out adevrtised to women? When you see a weight loss ad for products (teas, pill, supplements), it usually targeted more toward women. When you see workouts like yoga or cardio, it's targeted to women. Weightlifting however which is beneficial to both men and women, is targeted toward men. There's this wide belief that lifting weights is going to get you jacked like a bodybuilder when that's not true for women (unless they are actively perusing this).
"Easy" workouts and lose weight fast gimmick products are advertised to women but hard work and heavy effort is geared toward men. It's almost like media treats women like babies in this aspect but except men to work hard for it. Then women who DO put on muscle are shamed for being masculine. Now for others reading this, I'm aware that men are naturally predispositioned to be stronger of course, but this doesn't mean women shouldn't lift those weights as well.
@@MakeSureYouCleanUp I agree that there's a perception that weight training is more apt to build muscle mass, and this falls outside the incredibly narrow mainstream aesthetic for women, while being almost a default for men. I'd disagree that weight training is the only 'real' exercise. I've lifted weights in the past, but if you ever asked me to run a marathon, I'd have keeled over!
@@CSGraves haha I get you. What I meant by "real" excerise was more so actually working out/proper diet vs. the gimmicks out there that say if you do just 15 leg lifts a day you can get rid of your hip dips or drink this tea with questionable ingredients to lose 20 lbs in a week every week. These type of things pop up on instagram all the time and push "easy" methods of weight loss/fitness for women while on the male side I see techniques for lifting and proper posture menthods. Cardio is great too, but too often I see women only doing cardio and scared to lift a dumbbell, then wonder why they don't get that "toned" shape they've been aiming for and it's hard to convince them (coworkers, family, friends that have asked me about working out) because the world is telling them they'll get "buff" if they do.
@@MakeSureYouCleanUp Ahh yes, there seems to be an ocean of snake oil for women's fitness/weight loss/cosmetic purposes out there. And even though many aren't going to fall for these scams, they may still get exposed to the underlying idea of having to look a certain way.
@Kill it with fire But can a woman get a more attractive face through mere effort? Oh sure, western society makes cosmetics an option (if not mandatory) for women, but it can only compensate for so much. A woman with asymmetrical features will face just as much, if not more, difficulty than a man with a similar visage. Same goes with stature or body shape. Exercise will only do so much, but it won't make one taller or undo certain proportions people may be born with. These 'genetic' issues affect women too. I'm not saying men can't also suffer from feelings of unattractiveness (Oh, I KNOW it ain't so!), just that in the media at least, there is a heightened emphasis on women to fit into the proscribed notion of beauty. And as a guy who isn't exactly confident looks-wise, the idea that half the population is getting it _even worse_ is sobering.
And if you fit the beauty standards, you’ll be called “fake” “attention seeker” “plastic” even if you’re naturally like that
This has been my experience as well as my parent’s. My mom and dad are both extremely attractive and man the shit they got for it was so bad growing up. My dad has a prosthetic leg for jumping on my mom to protect her when a colleague tried to throw acid at her at a gathering. He ended up taking the brunt of the acid from his thigh and down but luckily his knee was saved. I inherited their looks and it sucks because even when you try to play it down or just not do anything people still react. You’re not allowed privacy and people forget it’s natural human instinct to be afraid when being hovered or stared at too much. People act like we should be grateful for the attention but the attention is given with an expected response and if you’re frustrated from the constant lack of boundaries, you’re marked as a conceited b$&th. My dad turned out to be a really great dad and husband, he’s worked hard to give my mom and us everything we could’ve asked and be loving to us. But he was the first to tell us kids how much evil people can be out of spite or jealousy. The lady that tried to pour fire acid on my mom was angry because her husband kept hitting on my mom and my dad eventually called his bluff. The woman felt humiliated but instead of calling out her husband for it ended up trying to take out my mom. I was 8 when this happened and it was heartbreaking. Beauty is a blessing to have if you’re a man and a problem if you’re a woman. And a relief it seems if you’re not an attractive guy. That’s literally the vibe most men give off when they come to hit on or observe. Relief and pride and then scorn if you don’t give them the time of day. The other horrible thing about it is that men seem to avoid people on their level of physical attraction and willing to do anything short of impossible to get it. Hence why women can be awful to women considered very attractive since if they wanted it, they could leverage a monopoly. The irony is that most women would take a guy that’s attractive and kind with survivable income over an unattractive one making bank, mostly because the sexual satisfaction is more likely for both parties in the first arrangement than in the second dynamic. The second dynamic just leads to guys trying to seek more women since the women they want don’t respond eagerly as they do and they don’t contemplate why that is. The happiest heterosexual partnerships I’ve seen tend to be when both parties are on the same physical hierarchy and not much in the way of age differences. This only changes if you’re gay, where the age differences can vary but almost always the couples are on the same attractiveness threshold more often than not. This is why women in lesbian relationships might seem more attractive to men since lesbians aren’t going to forcibly condition themselves to deny the natural hypergamy in selection in BOTH sexes like straight women are conditioned to for supposed conveniences. Society tells women to bed men they might not find attractive (and thus have issues when bedding them or putting out) but to find pleasure in material things as a sacrifice for creature comforts. Homosexuals pick their partners like men are encouraged to pick their women, just go for the one you like and are attracted to. Or they’re more realistic about it and go for what’s on their level. With straight men it seems like average is not an option. The worst part of being attractive that a lot of people want to minimize is just how invasive and in your face people can be about it. You’re literally not allowed to have a time for yourself out in the wild without someone trying to shove themselves into your eye sockets and a woman or two bitching about it because they’re being ignored. At first you want to be a good sport about it. Feeling flattered that others find you appealing. Because that’s honestly not an insult. The scary part is that almost always they assume that kindness is a romantic or sexual invitation. And eventually you become anxious and weary of dealing with them since no matter how you try to approach the dynamic, even when at first they try to be friendly and say they’re not trying to get in your pants, they eventually turn it around and think that trying to go the slow and steady route makes it better.
@@anamarte7547 true, im happy about not having to be majorly insecure but i have only like 2 friends because if it’s a male they think i’m flirting with them and if it’s a girl they tend to treat me as inferior and envy me, i’m sorry if i sound presumptuous but it sucks
I still think fitting the beauty standards is a blessing to some extent, but ya, everyone in their own way can never win
YES!!!!! So annoying or portrayed as stuck up or rude
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@@loveinbloom9315 I also noticed that the majority of attractive women are only happy if they are also upper class cause they get praised for it and respected, but when you’re super pretty and poor, then it won’t be this easy unless ofc you get scouted by a modeling agency or some lucky shit. attractive people in third words countries, don’t truly benefit from pretty privilege, especially the women. They get many guys constantly harassing them before they ever hit puberty, and they constantly deal with jealousy from bitter women. There are millions of women better looking than kendall Jenner and gigi hadid , but instead of benefiting from it, they live it like a curse, and rarely receive compliments. They can’t even use their beauty to marry up, cause now most rich men would rather marry an average looking woman from the same class as them than an attractive poor woman, no matter how much men on the internet says money doesn’t matter, it does.
Lizzo drank a smoothie and it was immediately tied to her trying to loose weight when she wasn't even trying to do that.
@@randomuploadsism lizzo said she has professional helping her and those smoothie are made for her if I'm not mistaken
Lizzo is abjectly disgusting and thinking that is just being semi literate on human biology
EVERYONE looks better in eyeliner. I'm not taking questions.
Dwayne the rock Johnson in eye liner?
Ngl, I'd hit that rock bottom!
@@FoxyBoxery lmao😂
gotta say, i don't think i do, like i think i look as pretty without eyeliner as i do with it, pretty in different ways but still o.o
No. You are pretty much delusional
Yes!!!
As a gay man who grew up during the Abercrombie and Fitch era, it took me until I was in my mid-20's to be okay with the fact that I will never be a blue-eyed blond who's 6'2" with abs.
What was the abercombie and fitch era? I'm 15 lol
@@noonie-i2g This company experienced a big shitstorm back in 2013 when after a customer complained that their sizes are too small for the average woman the CEO basically replied something like: 'We are a brand for young, succesful and beautiful people only' and 'Only the cool, popular kids should wear our brand'.
It’s interesting how many guys have complexes over not being 6’ or taller. I wonder what would happen if we changed to the metric system 🤔
@@janedoll3237 How would that make any difference, 6' is 6' wich in metric system would be 183cm
@@SuperRh500 obviously, but they seem to fixate on that particular number? The actual reality of the situation wouldn’t change but the way people perceive it might.
I am a woman, and my nose is slightly crooked and quite big, and one day I was complaining about this and my mum began listing good-looking male actors with crooked noses to make me feel better, but I had to explain to her that while that was an acceptable trait in men, it was not for women. She had not really thought about this but realized it was true, and it really is so unfair because there are so many examples of how the range of features that are considered attractive in men is so much wider than those in women.
Same
@@madaxwayne men can very well wear makeup..
@@madeupname3008 lol you say so....would you like a man wearing lipstick and mascara? The most a man get away with is using a concealer and even for that I get called out by my friends.
I find this very interesting, because I find myself constantly 'forgiving' guys for having slightly less than perfect features (like inlets in their hair, acne or acne scarring, crooked or broken noses, weird or even missing teeth, spider veins, sweat smell, balding and more) while I fixate on these things when women have them and instantly find them less attractive, when with guys it gives them a certain 'edge'. I have often wondered about this.
same :( my nose is slightly on the large side and i broke it when i was around 15 so the right side is crooked because my septum became deviated, and i've been so insecure about it until recently, as i realised that whilst it may not really be an acceptable trait right now, since beauty standards evolve, in maybe a couple years it'll be accepted and embraced :)
I got nearly fired because my face looks "too sad" while working in a hospital... But I was no sad. This was just my face. I always look tired, even when I am happy and I have no interest to put alot makeup on my face when I have to work in early hours like 6am.
same for me, I got fired from a clothing store because my face doesn't look friendly enough (slightly downturned eyelids and lips).
@@nusskernmischung5428 wow that's insane, I'm sorry
I always got told by my teacher that I never smile and that I need to smile.. why the hell do I need to smile when I'm there to learn and I'm not in my best mood every day? Also I hate when men tell you to smile but they don't even try to say something nice that actually would make you smile, they just want to order you around to basically fake smile
@@science3816 I also hated it back in the day when teachers would say to me "You should have to smile."
I think your attitude you described makes you actually morr sympathetic because you understand that somebody doesnt have to smile all the when someome doesnt feel like it.
I hate that the women supose to be happy and friendly and approachable all the time But if a man is serious and doesn't smile all the time its okay is the normal. I am a pretty shy person when i dont know so much someone and my classmates always said to me in a rude way that why i dont talk , wtf. And another classmate that it was a man, in the same class was also shy but no one said nothing to him.,🙄
Pd: sorry for my english, its not my first language
It's funny how social ideas influence what we think about as "virile". Head hair, for example-- male pattern baldness is caused by DHT, a masculinising hormone which occurs roughly proportional to your testosterone levels, so the higher your testosterone is the more likely you are to go bald young.
On the flip side oestrogen is related to body fat percentage, so losing weight to the point that's considered "beautiful" is very likely to decrease fertility. I never had more compliments on how great I looked than at a time in my life when I was so thin, my periods had stopped. I'm willing to say that a lot of the fertility theory of attraction is pseudoscience.
Ancient humans honestly had a better understanding of fertility than modern pop culture myths. There's a reason mother/fertility goddesses were depicted as possessing exaggerated breasts and hips, and typically being obese by modern metrics. Goddesses representing "beauty" however have been generally pretty diverse in their appearance. The distinction between fertility and beauty was well understood by our ancestors. And understood that there was worth in both these aspects of femininity.
Yes, defs pseudoscience because the whole field of evopsych... Check out PZ Myers's video about the problems with the basic premises and what it often leads to
On the baldness thing it's actually a result of sensitivity to DHT. It doesn't necessarily indicate more testosterone but that the follicles on your head were very sensitive to it.
Albeit as you said the same hormone is responsible for hair growth everywhere else hence the meme of hair "migrating" haha (losing head hair but having a full beard and body hair)
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Can I add that an excess of testosterone is not always better for men? Too much testosterone and therefore too much DHT and thus, baldness. That can lead to infertility, low sperm count, shrinking balls and not to mention a higher risk of heart diseases.
It's insane that he did not mention South Korea in regard to the beauty industry. The beauty industry/standards there are extremely pressuring for women. There the beauty industry have gone after men more but of course it's not nearly as high. Skin care products for men there aren't seen as much as demasculation of men because of the high pressure of beauty standards.
I feel like the ultimate answer is that instead of expanding our idea of what is beautiful is to devalue how much we value beauty. Being beautiful should be like being athletic, it’s really great for some specific professions, but for most daily life it’s really not important to be athletic, just a nice bonus.
Omg you're echoing what I ask myself everyday.
Why do we value beauty so much ? It's definitely has some uses but critically thinking it doesn't make much of a difference except in certain professions like modelling or acting.
We don't beat ourselves over not being smarter or richer.
We're allowing ourselves to create a dialogue around beauty by focusing more on it.
@@RimjhimSinghBhardwaj It's a sad trombone of an answer, but I blame a lot of it on unchecked biological values. Our caveman ancestors are still up in our heads telling us to pick the strongest, youngest, most attractive and virile woman to bear their children and then die by 30. That's literally how we still think, even though it's thousands of years out of date. So before we start questioning the validity of beauty (and I totally agree with you on that!), I think we need to make more of an effort to stop blindly adhering to patterns we should have evolved away from a long time ago.
In regards to dating men specifically, then a woman's beauty is really the most important thing. With women it's a combination of a man's attractiveness, and his ability to provide. That's just the way that it is.
@@studiostyx7075 Trying to reprogram your brain to find someone attractive, that you otherwise wouldn't have? Good luck with that. Let me know if you figure out the formula. I'll try it.
@@jaythenihilist4689 that actually is a thing, happened with me
it happened accidentally though
As a girl rated about a 5, I think my worst fear is the "Hey bro, you can do better than her"- comment..
It's also effing disgusting... You're not merch to be "replaced with better"
I swear to god. SAME- someone who understands.
@Kill it with fire True, but in that case it's mostly about his personality or about something that has happened... often combined with "That guy is was a jerk anyway, forget him". Women do not often say it immediately regarding only the looks of the person.. since "what does she see in him" is more accepted than "what does he see in her"... I could be wrong tho..
@@TheArtacuno it's a case by case but I've seen it from both sides, equally objectifying
@@TheArtacuno
Half right, half wrong I would say.
There’s always a person out there that’ll find you attractive. F*ck trends. You’re one of kind. Take care of yourself, stay healthy, and slay this space.
@Fat Face Bork Laser Masculine ≠ attractive. As a woman who has been attracted to conventionally "ugly" men who have weak jaws and have been shorter/the same height as me, the thing for me was that i liked their sense of humour/their personality. It's just that society pushes ideal faces onto us too often.
For real, the most attractive thing is confidence. Knowing and loving who you are and being unashamed about it.
honestly wish i could live in the world as a figureless blob like the cloud in rick and morty
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Small thing I've noticed about the increase in racial representation in areas like modelling and entertainment in general, they still pick and choose only those that fit the European standard of beauty, you know, things like big eyes, a slim nose, plump lips, thin and tall physique so this ends up putting more pressure on those racial minorities because the number of people within their sect who will fit this standard are now much lesser, so to conclude, In the wise words of PewDiePie, "It's evolving, just backwards..."
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@Kill it with fire Dude, I'm referring to the European Standard of Beauty
Well, the plump big lips and tall stature aren't Eurocentric (the big lips are Afrocentric and the tall frame is universal) but everything else is spot on. The curvy hourglass body, deeply tanned skin tones, bigger lips, and curlier hair (but not "too curly") is getting more and more popular, but eventually they'll start to be seen as ugly again. Interestingly, the slim nose beauty standard in the U.S. doesn't really change like the bigger lips vs smaller lips, thicker brows vs thinner brows, straight hair vs wavy or lightly curly hair does.
Ultimately, the European standard of beauty reigns in the U.S., but it's intriguing to see how sometimes Afrocentric (big lips) and Asiatic (fox eyes) beauty standards and makeup trends can interact with it.
@Kill it with fire European-centric beauty standards are also prevalent in Asian and African countries with no white-majority population. You're being purposefully dense, aren't ya?
@Kill it with fire They are held to the standard.
We shouldn't push people to be "beautiful" because beauty is subjective
We should only push each other to be healthy, sound of mind, and happy
A man can be unattractive (physically and personally) and be successful through "hard work and paying their dues". A beautiful and successful woman "probably got there because of her looks", instead of hard work and dedication.
Also, permanently changing your appearance in harmful ways (tooth chipping) is just stupid. No matter what you identify as.
This is just way to broad to be worth anything.
Well. Women using their looks to get stuff is a common thing.
And consider that there way more average looking women that guys. (Considering that a average for women is 5 and for a man is 7)
@@gregorythestallion2984 yep sadly most of us guys have to be damn near perfect to even get a look in from the opposite sex
Steve The III Lol definitely not
@@gregorythestallion2984 You got your numbers mixed up heavily. 5 would be average for a man, a 7 would be that for a woman.
I'm 5' 3" girl and have a "baby face", If I don't wear makeup, people usually treat me like a child (even though I'm 27). It's pretty uncomfortable when people (men and women) don't treat you as equal because they think that you are a middle schooler. Also when people see you without makeup for the first time they may assume that you are ill or really tired, because you look pale and have purple bags under your eyes.
I'm 5'2" and still a teen, but I'm afraid I won't grow more. I hate being short because I know that society only takes taller people seriously :(
I'm 25 and fit the same description as yours.. But i wanna share that it has helped me read people so much, understand this society so much. I get so much pleasure watching people get terrified looking at me like that (because i don't wear makeup, rather haven't touched it ever) But, but, on the plus side, it has given me immense courage to fight back and have also gained some real friends. It's only a matter of being lucky enough to finding the right people. I hope luck finds your way too. 😊
@@TomatoAddict
Dont worry. Society doesn't only take tall people seriously. It is partially true but mostly not. I say this as a 21 years old, 5'10 man!
@@TomatoAddict Surprisingly, depending on where you live, 5'2 is not that short. I'm 5'2 and I stopped growing taller at age 14 (I'm 21 now). 5'2 is like...slightly under average height, not too short! :) It's a good height imo
Omg yes. When I started back college in 2019, professors would talk to me like I was 20-22 year old, giving me life lessons. I’m like “sir, I’m 30, been there, done that, learned the hard way”. They would just be like “...oh...” Even certain jobs I’ve had towards my late 20s people treated me like a teenager. I kinda couldn’t wait to seem older.
At this point I've just accepted the fact I am "higher ugly, lower average" looking lmao
same.
Welp, it be like that for some of us 😂
Big mood tbh
at this point i've just accepted that i'm ugly thank god
You’re not most people are average look so attractive. it’s very rare anyone see someone beautiful like drop dead beautiful
The stress of being a girl in planet earth is hard
Tell me about it
The stress of being human on planet Earth is hard. Both genders have their unique challenges.
@@alexj7931 you're beautiful
Same for boys
@@user-xu3cz7vp2j hw is a girl saying living in planet earth as a woman is stressful not making men talk about their feelings?
I feel like I am living in a constant battle with myself; When I look in the mirror I see a pretty woman with a cute smile, but I also know that the general population may not agree with what I see as I do not fit the "standard beauty"
Same. When you stay away from the internet and people for a while and really think about how you look, you might not really find yourself unattractive. It helped me realised how much my idea of beauty was shaped by media and society's expectations.
I find myself cute and beautiful in an unconventional way too.
Finally someone talks about this and it's the second video - hopefully of a series. This needs to be addressed. Too many people bitter and cynical because they hate their own DNA, but too ashamed to talk about it. It's obvious. This needs to change. Can't wait!
I’d like it to be a series too.
Same!
I'm just bitter and cynical in general not because I hate myself or something but oh well lol.
I’m probably trans (it’s a mess in my head), and I see this double standard everywhere.
I feel especially ugly because I have a man’s face and body and I feel like I should be a woman. It’s an horrible feeling that there’s nothing you can do to be seen as beautiful. That is a feeling that can crush your soul. I will often not even try to fix my appearance because I’ll still have a man’s body no matter how well I learn to apply makeup.
It’s wild.
I truly don’t have the right answers or even any good answers. But I absolutely wish you happiness and the best💙
I love you, if that means anything.
I wish you the best in your journey
Know that I love you ❤
I’ve never understood beauty. I’ve never looked at a person and thought them ugly. It feels like every time I see a face, I focus on a feature they have and marvel at how such a wonderful thing has been created on flesh and bone, sculpted by nothing more than genetics. Sometimes I get a little jealous too...
I don’t know if this is any comfort as we don’t know each other in real life, but if I saw you on the street, I’d probably think you beautiful by your hair, your style, your nose or mouth, your personality, your smile, your cheek or ear.
Although I am asexual, so perhaps my inability to feel sexual attraction lends itself into the way I view others.
Beauty is literally so complicated for women. Like we should honestly get some respect and recognition for being able to figure out the best makeup, research skincare, style ourselves.
It’s something seen as vapid and stupid but looking up to a standard is hard work
but those standards also create a lot if suffering for those women who can’t ever reach them so.. quite a dilemma, in the end what do you want to value/support more - what are your priorities basically 🤷♀️
For real we're expected to be perfect on every level constantly to succeed on what men get on a base level. It's ridiculous
@@vivvy_0 I think the answer is pretty clear -- reaching those standards is hard work, so if someone has managed it, that's one hell of an accomplishment, and the effort that's gone into it should be recognized and appreciated for what it is. At the same time, it shouldn't be the only accomplishment that is valued, nor should it be required as a prerequisite for any others. It should also be much more forgiving. Ultimately it's about being comfortable in your own skin, and being able to tinker with your body and appearance as much or as little as you like without being harshly judged for either. Also men judging each other on the conventional attractiveness of their partners is a terrible thing that heavily reinforces feminine beauty standards and needs to stop. If all this occurs, I suspect a lot fewer people would put that kind of work in in the first place, but that's fine too.
@Kill it with fire No one forces anyone to do anything obviously, but it's a dumb societal expectation and if you want to have success in that society you almost always must conform. Women are expected to maintain far more than men are at a base level and if they don't they are not taken seriously in their lives by the people around then and at their careers. Whereas men basically just need to have good hygiene.
get over yourself
It would be interesting to look into how new eastern trends (especially in kpop) is starting to normalize men in makeup. Personally I don't wear makeup because I end up relying on it for confidence if I use it too frequently. I hope that in the future anyone can feel like they are a human whether they decide to wear makeup or not.
@0 0 same here, let's keep our skins the natural way we were born and not rely on make up to feel human 👍
Wearing foundation has caused me to put pressure on myself to have my skin look "perfect" all the time - not wearing foundation pretty much all year because of obvious reasons was actually a blessing to me because it helped me accept that my skin also looks fine without! I, too, hope for a future when we will be just accepted, no matter how we look or if we wear makeup...
Honestly, it is strongly based on good looking skin in the face, men always been wearing makeup Kpop was playing catch up. You're honestly good once you got a good skin treatment that works with your skin. Which is something beauty doesn't explain. Makeup isn't an end all be all it's supposed to be skincare. Since people also don't realize at times they may be allergic to some makeup and be locked out of a look.
@@ExeErdna true! But while I started getting serious about HEALTHY, well-cared-for skin about 4 years ago and while my skin looks significantly better than back then, it obviously is not the "perfect, air brushed look" I was used to because of foundation etc.; I just think there are many layers to why women feel so pressured to have poreless, plump skin.
yeah and how kpop sexualizes woman thats also an i teresting topic
I kinda think there’s a lot of pressure within women internally also to want to maintain youth because we don’t want out partners to wander....we get taught early that if our partners stray, it’s our fault....we must constantly live our lives walking on eggshells so that our partners may hopefully won’t leave the family for another...just a thought.
What feeds this insecurity women have about their bodies and their beauty obsession is that men seem to idolize women's bodies and men are very hesitant to tell a real woman she has a good body because he's so used to seeing all these media women and comparing real women to that ideal. And I'm surprised by how many men are not as excited but turned off honestly when they see a real woman that has an average body because he thinks he would like to have what he sees on a screen and she doesn't measure up. He would like to see a woman who has a very rare body that most women have to pay for, because many women who are thin and fit don't have very large breasts or large butts. And the average woman has moderate hip size not large, but a man sees what's lacking and pretends to be satisfied anyway. It's sad why cant men stop expecting women to be a perfect hourglass to be a knockout beauty and be more loving with their eyes and realize these people are fake like 80 percent of the time?
Personally I've always been quite open about what I find attractive and not. A lot of Hollywood types whilst I find beautiful I don't find attractive, if you can see the distinction. And I've seen a lot of "unbeautiful" people who have been very appealing.
One thing I'll add though, Amanda. You've got your reason wrong. Men know what they like when they see it and no amount of propaganda/conditioning will alter that. The reason why men aren't telling a woman "she has a good body" in polite company is pretty obvious. It's sexual harassment. A comment like that is a one way trip to getting talked to by a policeman or losing your job. So they might well be thinking that Miss Average actually looks great, but no way are they going to say that unless they're dating/together.
Well I have dated a couple of women who dumped me. Both of them had belly fat. I even had six pack abs once but mostly I am slim.
@@youtubesucks2755 so it might've been your personality 🤷♀️
it feels strange though when most women which this video shows just aren't that attractive to me. Maybe it's because I can't stand Hollywood movies etc and this fake fashion.
@@RealHero101111 I can relate to that. Beauty and sex appeal are two separate things.
Honestly i hope future make-up trends are less about molding your face into something its not and more about just covering it with sparkly colors
That sounds awesome tbh
i would love that
Yes! Let’s literally bedazzle and glitterfy our faces!
So smth like in Euphoria? I’d like that
"Less about molding your face into something it's not" *cut to me giving myself anime eyes* ah fuck....
When I was a teen in the 1970s, my thick lips (comparatively for a white girl) got me epithets, the kindest (and most printable) one being "fish lips." Then along came Angelina Jolie and suddenly my lips were enviable. I consider that the best time of my life was when I lived in Boston and no one cared whether or not I wore make-up. I managed to shock a friend by using tinted lip gloss.
I will say that being in my early 20s in the early 1980s, I learned to lust after men wearing eyeliner and mascara.
I use to be embarrassed about my big lips too. Than boom it's desirable
I think a really good video would be a study on why male or more masculine hobbies are prized over feminine hobbies. If you ask a group of boys "What is the difference between Star Wars and Star Trek?" You are very likely to get annihilated, but if you ask a group of girls who like Kpop "What's the big deal with Got7 and BTS?" And they answer you in an excited but kind manner, they're hysterical and stupid. Anything that is enjoyed by girls that does not have the specific goal of making a girl more attractive (i.e makeup) is cast aside and seen as trivial, where as male centered hobbies like video games and Marvel and DC are payed extreme attention to and treated with respect. If little girls freaked out over Winx club the way little boys freaked out over Batman movies they are harshly criticised.
The only way to not be criticised is to choose a male centered hobby, even then the boys within those hobbies will likely call you a fake fan, so you essentially need to pick your poison here. I wonder if this topic is linked to making women seem more like commodities made to be pretty, rather than human beings who have interests beyond boys and looking good. It'd be really interesting to see it being spoken about
And even "traditionally feminine" hobbies like makeup, fashion and skincare, that are actively pushed onto girls and women from their birth onwards, are looked down upon and trivialized. I used to be really into makeup for about 2 years and am now into skincare, and I constantly get told how stupid it is to like that and how it's not even a hobby, because all I do is "spend money on frivolous things". Literally the exact same people who chastized me for being a tomboy as a child (both men and women btw) and early teen now chastize me for having traditionally feminine interests. Specifically when I was into makeup, people would regularly tell me that I was "lying to myself and others" by putting "so much makeup on".
If you have traditionally feminine hobbies/interests, even those that "serve the purpose" of making you more conventionally attractive to men, it's considered frivolous, stupid, vapid, arrogant and unnecessary. If you have traditionally male hobbies/interests, you're considered a lying faker or you're accused of just doing it for male attention and validation, or you're just called an ugly tomboy.
As a woman, no matter what you do, you cannot win, ever. That's by design. You're not doing anything wrong, you're simply not SUPPOSED to win. If there was a way for women to "win" in society, the patriarchial system would have failed. Keeping (cis-)men in power in society relies on women consistently attempting, and failing, at achieving perfect womanhood, which would finally make them considered worthy of respect, to finally be considered an equal. It's never going to happen. If a woman achieves one goal, male-dominated society simply moves the goalpost, or changes the goal entirely, making the achievement worthless in the process, to keep women distracted, so that women keep on toiling for some perceived goal that will finally grant them equality.
this really is just your personal experience and age showing here. people mock what they don't understand. as a boomer i can tell you that plenty of nerds and geeks were mocked for decades for liking star wars/trek or dnd/video games etc. kpop isn't mainstream, so you'll be made fun of. video games, marvel and DC were cast aside and seen as trivial too right until executives realised how much money could be made from it.
"gendered" hobbies have gatekeepers on both sides. if a boy wants to do dance or cheerleading, he's gay. not that it will help you but men aren't seen as human beings, they are human doings. no-one gives a shit about mens thoughts or feelings, only what he provides for them. the grass isn't any greener.
@@Kim89911 Oh yeah, it's supposed to serve as a control mechanism, it's infuriating and diminishing you as a human being by design.
@@scottdobson1384 it's not just their personal experience, it's also mine, and so many other ladies' as well. even liking mainstream things such as Taylor Swift or One Direction will be seen as cringey. “chick flicks” as well. god forbid you enjoy a chick flick. many men refuse to watch any “chick flicks” despite the what they're about. and kpop is pretty mainstream.
Exactly screaming male sports fans are passionate, but screaming female fans of a boyband are "crazy hysterical fangirls."
"Some of these models may be larger in size but in general they're still facially beautiful": not even going into the implication that larger isn't beautiful, a majority of plus-size models are not even actually plus size. They're obviously "larger" than a mainstream model (who's typically underweight) but they're well under a size 16, which is where plus size begins. They're literally average size-wise.
Question: Which is more beautiful? A 19 year old Naomi Campbell or a 19 year old Naomi Campbell who weights 300 pounds? Beauty is subjective, but if you ask a thousand people that question, what do you think the average answer would be?
I think he was saying that they changed the weight requirement, but they still didn't change the requirement for their faces to fit the facial ideal
In high fashion, plus size begins at a size 8. Which is absolutely ridiculous, but technically many women marketed as "plus size" fall into that category for luxury fashion houses.
I'm a mixed woman with kinky hair I gave up on bein pretty when I was like 17. I have green eyes, and that the only feature I get compliments in, but I was bullied in school for my afro hair. It is hard for me to really feel good about people telling me "how pretty my eyes are" since I know the reason my whitest body part is praised, while my blackest feature is hated, mocked and to this day people still ask me to hide it with relaxers, and straighteners
This is no coincidence, we all know why 🙄
My dad all ways tells me that beauty isn’t anything physical. The personality of a person is what truly makes them beautifully. He always quotes MLK line of judging people “not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character”.
Wherever ever people ask me what the perfect girl would look like to me I always answer by saying that I don’t have any real preference in looks. This gets me weird looks and remarks about how I’m just saying that to sound nice.
I kinda just wished more people would have that kinds of attitude about beauty and would forsake the idea of makeup in general, for either sex.
I have to say, I've found very different people to be beautiful over the years, conventionally attractive or not. I think what I consider physically beautiful often shifts to match the appearance of someone I'm attracted to for other reasons, in fact. I still have a sort of idea of what I consider beautiful by default that largely matches social beauty standards, but I've found that the category will always shift to include a woman that I'm attracted to for being smart, and interesting, and a good person, whether or not it includes anyone in between, and it will also always shift to exclude jerks.
My mom was similar to your dad in this respect. Prioritise the character of a person, not looks. But, still she also emphasised how important it is to look good since everyone makes judgments about looks even without realising. And as someone who presents fem, looks are even more important in society.
I totally agree with you though! Appearance and beauty shouldn’t be the most important thing in any relationships. I’m bi, and I’ve found that to me, a personality is far more attractive than appearances. Of the people I’ve been attracted to, it’s usually because of something like their sense of humour, or a gentle nature that stands out to me. Then, I slowly grow to find a person physically attractive as I get to know about them, since I attribute their appearance to a person I really like.
I wish for a future where people can happily be themselves without question, where there aren’t any ideas of a “standard”, just people being the kind of person they really want to be. We won’t get it in this generation, but we sure can make the way towards that future easier for the next.
It's almost an old fashioned attitude (in a good way). I've seen it more often in older men -maybe they are wiser? A lot of young guys seem to almost pride themselves on being "objective" and judgmental in how they see female beauty, and act like the old addage of "beauty on the inside" is bullshit. Which is strange to me. Have most people not experienced getting to know a person, realizing they have a wonderful personality and noticing how that wonderfulness radiates outwards, too? I have noticed so many times that as I start to enjoy someones company more, I also start to find them more physically attractive. I think it's an actual documented psychological phenomenon, but everyone talks about the halo-effect, and never that.
@@yltraviole Oh, that's an interesting observation. I wish I knew more elderly people who were willing to talk about this to see if what you're observing is generally true for that demographic. From my experiences, I also see that a lot of older people tend to get less involved with performative societal standards (not that it's true for every old person).
It sounds like the people commenting in this thread all experience that phenomenon you're describing: shifting perception of what's attractive depending on the people you interact with. We should talk about these experiences more, how a personality can shine outward and create its own beauty. While we criticise our media and society for overvaluing physical beauty, it's also important to emphasise things that we can and already do focus on in its place.
Also I wanted to add, there's this trend of rating people's (physical) attractiveness on a 10-rating scale, oh that's a 6/10 or a 10/10, etc. which is fine and all, but sometimes I see people treat it like an objective standard. When really, what is attractive can be subjective and heavily influenced by the individual's tastes and experiences.
@@yltraviole older men are definitely more chill about pretty much everything that has to do with being a woman... makeup, periods, emotions - they've seen it all. i've dated men 8, 10 and 15 years older than me and from my personal experience that range is the most comfortable i've been in a relationship. meanwhile the most insecure and unhappy i've ever felt was with a guy who is 5 years younger than me AND he was the most attractive out of everyone i've ever been with. literal proof that personality wins over looks any day. emotional maturity is also very important.
The beauty standards made my bar for women unrealistic, I always had to get the prettiest girl in town or I would be doomed. Even the perception for myself, look like a bodybuilder and be wealthy.
So glad I don't think like this anymore. It was toxic and I worn myself out
Good on you for growing out of that. I think a lot of men are still in that mindset & I hope they can move past that
Good job!
hope you're easier on your own self as well. ❤
@@angelbiscuitsHow kind of you, you don't need to worry!🥰
This kind of perspicacity is very attractive.
It sounds like a lot of guys here are sad about their height. So here's a message to you from me:
My boyfriend is around 165 cm (5'4 in US) and is fucking beautiful and sexy. Our bodies are actually pretty much the same size, so we even share some of our clothes, hahhha. It's fun. There's no reason to try to compensate being short with extreme fitness, being a "manly man" (looool at that expression) or whatever you think you need to do
So you can be short but only if you are fucking beautiful and sexy?
@@user-xu3cz7vp2j idk how you’re so illiterate or how you intepreted it so wrong. OP said that their bf is beautiful and sexy DESPITE of their height. they’re saying they don’t care if their bf is short or tall because in their eyes he is still beautiful. that’s the thing about love, you love your partner’s traits, they’re perfect to you. she’s saying that there’ll always be someone out there who’ll love you for who you are and not care about your height.
I wish more women were like you
Short boys are the cutest you cant change my mind
@@frazerdark
Many women are tho?
Men's value can be separated from how they look but women are so often seen as at least partially decorative no matter what they achieve which means that their value and their beauty are so tightly tangled together that they can never be separated. Unfortunately for me, I love acting, it is one of the most enjoyable and fulfilling activities I have ever experienced personally. I HAVE to be beautiful to even be allowed to participate in the art form I love the most. It's so messed up, I know I've already been given opportunities that other women haven't because the director liked my look better. When I found out I needed a nose job to reduce my risk of deadly asthma attacks I was scared... but I was also THRILLED that I'd be getting a nose designed to perfectly harmonize with my face. I have no choice with that one but if it means I'll get even more chances to act I'd get a few more surgeries for purely aesthetic reasons. I'm sure surgery hurts less than not being able to do what you love in life.
True, even the ugliest man can make up for his looks by being wealthy, by having a higher socio economic status, being socially dominant/powerful, but the same never works for woman. An attractive woman is never valued regardless how successful she is, her success even reduces her value, unfortunately.
@Kill it with fire A recent survey study found that women rate men 2 or 3 points higher on an attractive scale, when his salary is multiplied by a factor of 10. Even the physicial attractiveness perception changes. The same doesn't work for women. I'm getting incel energy around here btw so I'm not bothering with replying anymore 😂, no offense 💁🏻♂️
@Kill it with fire That's not the case for long term relationships. But then, a recent survey study even stated, women somewhat considers a guy's social status, even for a one night stand. Crazy but being higher in the dominance hierarchy helps a man more than anything.
the secret to looking young on video and in pictures is... you ready?... HGH / HRT, healthy dieting, proper exersise, being at a healthy weight, intense hygene, conservative ammounts plastic surgery, money, photoshop / editing software, and decent to great genetics. BAM so basically if you have one of the 2 youre pretty much good, but if you dont have genetics or money well youre pretty much fucked lol
Or intense plastic surgery if you have an amazing surgeon. Many K-pop stars (both male and female) undergo intense procedures to get a standard beautiful face.
@@KarlSnarks i don't know how true it is but they are at times forced to do so against their will but their entertainment companies
@@KarlSnarks intense plastic surgery is dangerous and reckless the best method is what the other dude said, exercise and diet just be an over all healthy person
Tldr money + genetics.
Health dieting, intense hygiene, plastic surgery, decent genetics and a cute filter keeps me looking pathetically average
Rule No.1 of life:
🌈 *Don't give a f**k to people who don't pay your bills* 🌈
Subtly hearing the Disco Elysium soundtrack in the background gave me some of the strangest nostalgia I’ve ever felt
I just stopped playing because I'm waiting for the major update! (Full voice acting, new characters!)
I gotta say nobody finds Jayz attractive, quite the opposite, people often take him as an example as that you dont need to be attractive to be successful
Don't you know that big money makes you very attractive...
@@George-zh1og yeah pretty much that, his appearance isnt attractive, but his money and talent is. If you remove all you know about him and see him in a Walmart, you would think hes ugly
Ikr, mostly I've seen people commenting on how it's even possible that a guy who looks like him is with Beyonce, so I think that's the general perception
truee
@@George-zh1og everybody thinks he is ugly, not to mention in what world are Tom Hiddleston, Jason Momoa or Rami Malek anything other than conventionally attractive?
Currently I'm doing media studies and I wanted to add this; Within advertisement men have 9 categories that they can represented, to list; Hero(he excels in sports military etc.) , outdoors man, Urban Man, family man, breadwinner, at work, erotic, consumer and finally Quiescent (he's inactive). Want to know how many women get? Three, just three! Them being; Domestic (mother), Beauty, or a sex object (I'm not kidding we literally call it that).
Really interesting!! Thank you for educating us on this!
Hello I'm back lol. My partner wondered what the difference between "beauty" and "sex object" is, which is an interesting question. Could you say that the "sex object" is the sexualised "beauty"?
@@clare2385 Beauty refers to society's idea of beauty such as flawless skin you see in makeup advertisements; meanwhile 'sex object' refers to society's idea of sexy, typically always following the male gaze (the 'are you beach body ready?' ad for example). To an extent there is a little overlap (also the both treat the woman as an prop), however the main difference is that 'sex object' sexualizes the woman in the male gaze, positioning them in poses that are sexual, clothing (or lack there of) that's sexual, props that indicate sexual acts etc; but beauty is more 'family-friendly' centering on the face and a focus on the product in improving the (typically) woman's 'natural' features.
@@clare2385 The difference is very clear if you search up the terms 'Beauty advert' and 'sex object advert'
@@kyoskii3767 Thanks so much for answering and teaching us :)
I personally believe in the thesis that all men look better with eyeliner.
I would personally like to agree with this statement
Agree!
Agreed, i hate eyeliner but i agree, ive seen male rockstars who use makeup and look hella amazing
@@zackkarma7760 honestlyyy
yes yess
“Might has well have called it prostate cancer”
I’m dying 🤣
The difference is also evident on negative comments about celebrities. When someone comments on ,for example, Adam Driver in a negative way, there are thousands of people that show their support by either disagreeing or saying that he is a good actor and his appearance shouldn't even be commented on. But you see comments about actresses and while there are some people that are outraged most don't show the kind of support that comes off as a mass protection movement. some women even agree so they can feel better about themselves.
There's a huge double standard on the frequency of those comments too. A female celebrity's looks are noticed and critiqued pretty much every time they make any public appearance, even when they're just running errands or whatever. But a male celebrity usually only gets commented on when they're exceptionally conventionally attractive or played a role where that is the expectation and didn't meet it.
I can tell you why in the specific case of Adam Driver.
It's because he's an unconventional attractive man that has a very passionate fanbase(which often actresses, for some reason, don't have) and he gets regularly attacked for his looks, at least once a month(meaning an hit tweet about how ugly he is, or how mediocre he looks etc..), plus he's stated multiple times that he has been very insecure about his looks in the past, and has a form of social anxiety.
Add to that, that his passionate fanbase is mostly women, and I think his personality and general hate towards his looks creates a strong "us vs them" situation, in which his fans get overly protective and would go to great lengths to defend him and only him.
In his particular case, the dissing happens frequently, so I honestly don't know if other male celebs with unconventional looks get criticized this often, but Adam Driver's situation is not a good example to use.
I however, 100% agree that female celebs don't get the same appreciation\protection from their fans, especially actresses. There have been so many hit tweets joking about Anja Taylor-Joy's face proportions for example that I lost count, and people just tend to laugh along or ignore them, instead of supporting her.
@Kill it with fire I don't like to use the word "ugly" in the first place, so I don't know about that.
I honestly think he's an handsome man and a very good actor, I don't even see the "unconventional" side of his beauty tbh, but I know people use that term often to describe him.
Also actors like Danny Devito are all the things you described, and I still never saw a hit tweet about people calling him "ugly", while there are a great number of female celebs(and particular cases like Driver) that get made fun of constantly for no reason.
@happy baby You're very right. There are also some female singers\musicians that have very passionate fanbases, and the vast majority of these fans are women(ex: Taylor Swift). Women seem to form very strong bonds with their favourite celebs and fellow fans and don't hesitate to defend them, while men sometimes do that towards other men(for example Keanu Reeves) but I've never seen them do it for female celebs.
I remember how cute and fluffy Twitter got all of a sudden when Chris Evans accidentally posted dick pics(lots of men protecting him etc..) and how cruel and disgusting people(mostly men) were acting when nudes of supposedly "loved" female celebs got stolen and posted everywhere.
@happy baby I like that you touched upon "forced feminism". It seems so weird to me that girls backing up girls is seen as frivolous, forced, or outright humorous, but guys backing up guys isn't.
as a former student in fashion marketing, i love that he says hermès incorrectly
I think that the distinction of beauty standards also deals with who is the one "in charge" in society. Using movies as an example, it is easier to see less conventionally attractive men or those with less conventional traits to be leads because movies are made with men as the default audience (or the majority). Implicitly, the male approach is the dominant in creating movies and the main audience focus. Movies for men by men, hence why actors like Jonah Hill are leads because it is expected that the male audience connects with him. In the case of conventionally beautiful women, these actresses represent the women you want to have.
If women had an equal standing in terms of marketing, all types of women would be visible in ads and movies.
That's not true though when you look at films that cater to women. The female leads in those films are still very attractive and pretty idealistic in their body type, even if they temporarily wear makeup to make them less attractive early on in the story.
@@derek96720 not really look at Netflix movies targeted to teenager girls. A lot of the girls are average but they end up with model looking men.
The reason is because men really don't put much emphasis on "THE MEN" appearance. They can put whatever type on screen, and if it fun or funny to watch men will watch the movie.
Men don't idolized other men as much compare to women.
@@derek96720 ‘films that cater to women’ what, chick flicks and romcoms? Where every other conversation or action is somehow related to the male lead and/or ‘getting the guy’ in the end? You have heard of the Bechdel test right?
Just because a film ‘caters to women’ it doesn’t necessarily diminish the fact that it can still be catering to the male gaze (which can occur on multiple levels, not just the audience watching it for example but the male characters in the movie).
Also ‘films that cater to women’ is not synonymous with the fact that they were directed by women, produced by women etc. who might want to place emphasis on normalising average looking women/ or devaluing beauty as a measure of ones worth due to their own personal experiences.
Furthermore, we’ve established beauty is a type of currency in this day and age and that we show interest in seeing pretty people (through consumer habits and what we spend our time watching etc.). The idea that this is problematic has only recently become a more widely held belief amongst the general public, so for Hollywood to acknowledge this, catch up and make actual changes, in terms of diversifying casts for example, will take a while.
"Creating the desease and then selling you the cure" - how damn spot on! All of my physical insecurities have come from media telling me from a you age that I have to look this and that way, and the people around me not questioning it or even enforcing these believes. Objectively I look... fine I guess, but subjectively there are so many "flaws" in my appereance that I'm very self-conscious about, it's crazy... and sad.
I hate it whenever men say “why do you wear so much makeup take it off” the reason why is bc the beauty standards against women are so unrealistic. And we’re still expected to only get a good career if we’re good looking. What do you expect me to do 😐
ohh please....this isn't reality....this is "reality" of hollywood where obviously looks are a requirement. I find it stupid to believe that an employer is gonna hire a dumb hot woman over an average looking smart woman. His company isn't gonna make much money. Maybe you're not that smart.
@@youtubesucks2755 yeah but either way a woman is judged by her looks all the time. Doesn’t matter even if they’re not convenient in the situation. So your “point” was definitely not made.
@@irlane9539 lol you just disagreed with me and "my point is not made"....top notch logical response...no wonder they don't hire you. I have a lots female and male friends who work with me. None of them were hired for their looks. All of us are a valuable asset to our company. Nobody is that stupid to hire an unskilled employee. The world isn't out to get you. Only place where looks are valued is hollywood and modelling.
@@youtubesucks2755 you accuse others of being disrespectful towards you and your 'arguments' but insult strangers like this? hmm..
@@youtubesucks2755 Live the life of a woman before you comment on what we go through.
One of the most frustrating things is that celebrities get plastic surgery to have a perfect body and a perfect face, and they tell you you can achieve the same thing without plastic surgery
this reminds me that my girl friends always said that why is it so easy for men to be attractive. smart hairstyle, nice perfume and good fashion sense, then they are attractive, but for women, it is hard. when the thing is, it is not hard because we are not pretty, it is hard because the beauty standard that does exist, to make us 'change' the way we are !
@Kill it with fire Having a super high paying job, having a higher social and economic status, having a nice car, owning a great apartment, etc would do more than 50 percent of the work, for men. Society judges men for all these factors together, along with looks, while a woman's only value is her looks.
@Kill it with fire You from lookism or looksmax ?
@Kill it with fire You seem aware of blackpill philosophy
Iam talking about the websites lookism.net / looksmax.net
Actually it's the other way around
@@shmeepness1700 true
It's so funny looking at the comments and in some of them, when a woman is complaining about the double standards in beauty, a man has to jump in and make it about himself. Write your own comments ffs
Well go to any channel where men complain about things, you'll see far worse. Women think "incel" is a funny term to use to make a man feel bad about himself.
@@youtubesucks2755 oop here i found another one
@@runaru777 kinda expected this reply lol....can't come up with something to deny what I said...so start with the insult.
Ugh I hate whataboutism. They only care about some topics if women talk about them and only then 🙄
it is always the same one guy youtube sucks
he said "that brings us on to the cosmetics industry" and then it cut to an ad. For Ulta 😂
Whenever I consider getting plastic surgery, as so so many girls my age ponder about, I think "if I don't love these features, who will? If I don't try to normalize features such as mine, then other girls might grow up with the same struggle".
But now I'm addicted to Snapchat filters to the point of delusion, so I'm trapped in this mess anyway
I'm with you--I like what makes me different. I'm also broke AF and couldn't afford plastic surgery even I wanted to lol.
I have a friend who is a year younger than me and already addicted to Botox, fillers, all of it. And the sad part is all those procedures make her look considerably older, almost like she's telling on herself. She's got this permanently frozen, wide-eyed expression that's borderline creepy. Because she can't move her face you can't tell if you've made her laugh or pissed her off 🤔
Here's something to consider: those "features" you want to fight for, might not even be there.
Phones' lenses, due to size and manufacturing constraints, will tend to display selfies (assuming your phone is somewhat close to your face when you snap) with a fish-eye lens.
That elongates and enlarges your nose, thins out your face, and (again, because lenses aren't perfect) might get your skin tone wrong.
Those were some major concerns for me, but when I took my picture taken from farther away with a better camera, it was like a completely different person.
That obviously won't address the root of your (unfortunate) insecurities, but I'm hoping it helps?
Yeah I'm same. I think sometimes maybe I'll really be happier with a rhinoplasty, my face will look so much prettier. But then I think what if I have a daughter or a son and they tell me that they hate their nose, the logical thing would be to tell them to love themselves as such but how can I spread that message when I myself couldn't accept myself? How can i not expect them to follow my footsteps and get plastic surgery too? If I want the world's mindset to change i need to change my own mindset too
@@notonfire7318 Whether or not you get surgery is entirely your choice. Neither decision is better and I am not trying to convince you to do it. However, I'd like to offer a different perspective. Getting a rhinoplasty is neither a failure to accept yourself nor setting a bad example. It is making an informed choice to improve your quality of life or to express yourself.
Sometimes, loving yourself means changing yourself. Rather than teaching your kids to put up with their flaws no matter what, it may be more valuable to explain to your kids that while beauty standards are flawed and they should never feel that they have to change themselves, it is okay if they want to modify their bodies in the future, whether those are conventional cosmetic modification or things that are more niche and subcultural. If they choose to do so, it is important to make these decisions in a safe and well-informed manner. In my opinion, while it's good to encourage your kids to embrace their unconventional features, enforcing the idea that it's a moral failing to change your body is a very harmful message in its own right. You are not defined by what you look like and there is no special merit to remaining unmodified.
I also don't think you should deny yourself your own happiness because it might be a bad example for hypothetical kids, whether or not you choose to get surgery. You are more than just a parent.
@Fat Face Bork Laser™ What about tall women? They exist too you know. What, they chop off their legs or something?
middle eastern genes too here, and the issue of dark eyebags and body hair (along with hair thickness and dark color) are an absolute nightmare when trying to look "good". and then the issues of nose.... god. now, when thick eyebrows are in style and body hair is... more or less... more acceptable, theres still the issue of unibrows, of ingrown hairs, of moustache, of leg hair that grows thicker and darker -when usually the models who have body hair have it thin and light. its the same with the issue of weight - plus size actresses and models are, at least the famous ones, almost all long-haired, blonde or fair-haired, or light-skinned or with light colored eyes, always perfectly made up and dressed in very well tailored clothes made to smoothen the body and hide flabs or folds. i love fashion, but my body type is rather weird (short legs, fat upper arms and thighs, wide chest and waist, wide-ish shoulders) so there were a lot of crying spells in changing rooms, so...
something i do wish you had delved a bit more into is the issue of time. besides the cost of beauty (which im so glad you tackled, since people like incels and even just average folk believe people are "born beautiful", instead of being raised and taken care in a very specific way to avoid looking "bad", meaning fat, having bad skin, bad posture, bad teeth, etc, or simply being of a specific ethnicity deemed "beautiful"), time is an extremely importany aspect of beauty imo. women are expected to learn how to apply makeup, and that is a talent that like everything needs to be trained with practise and tools, economic means. the time women devote to beauty (from hair removal to shopping for clothes to applying makeup to fitness routines, everything which is then added to child rearing and housework and working at a job to earn money, without taking into account basic stuff like eating and socializing) is also a huge factor deeply related to ones economic status.
The conversation about plus size models always comes when I'm talking about it with friends...
Where I live a lot of popular brands on instagram love to hire influences ss models and Ofc have a wide "range" of inclusivity.
At first glance? Wow this kinda looks good.
But then:
If they're black (which only means African descendents (nothing wrong with that, but in my country is mostly natives and you can see how they're never include them bc I guess it doesn't seem cool/exotic enough I guess) they're thin; if they are Asian they have double eyelids and super light skin; if they're trans: they're super cis passing, also skinny.
And with plus size models: they always have the hour glass type of figure, their faces are always small and without a double chin, small waist, big butt, small shoulders, and WHITE (also super pale. In my country most of the ppl are mixed w natives, but this models are always crazy pale like?)
Like you can be plus size but only if you look like that.
Ofc I understand that we shouldn't care about instagram range of models, but this type of things can get stucked without you even realising it, and since representation matters for those who don't see themselves as much, Idk it just doesn't sit right with me that brands get the clout for inclusion but it's always in this way...
I agree with you on each and every word you said. Much love to you 💛
not all middle eastern fits those standards it's just making more stereotypes but there is nothing wrong with body hair it means more hair on head eyebrows and eyelashes look at the positive side i rather be hairy and shave the rest than being hairless with thinning hair and have to draw eyebrows all time and eyes look like they have no eyelashes on because it's light and skinny makeup is not always there
I love being middle eastern. Yes, I used to have body hair which sucked, but it's all permanently gone now thanks to laser hair removal and I'm just left with fabulous lashes, eyebrows, and hair.
@@AD-eg9cw well Im Middle Eastern and I also struggle with body hair but I dont have good eyebrows or hair lolllll I just got all the bad genes
To be honest, women frequently bully other women into "complying to feminine beauty standards". I have had at least 10 instances were I was told by another girl at school, work, family member of a female friend that I should use more make up or change my appearance according to standards of the media. I was never told this by a man. In fact, my husband loves that I have a good skin care routine but do not wear make up unless it's for special occations. My husband also encourages me to wear my hair long and to wear dresses, because he thinks it looks good on me. While the media and society told me to dress more like feminists (trousers, less feminine clothes) and that this is what is desireable. I came to a point where I don't give a sh*t about the media or society anymore. I wear what I like and feel comfortable with. And if my husband likes my choices too, then it makes me even more happy to be loved for being myself with my own style. Just comparing the media vs. reality...
why was this recommended for me? I watched the whole thing and the recommendation was spot on. its scary how well the algorithm knows me.
Also i do just wanna add to this that most people feel unattractive when they’re not entirely because they’ve been fed a very white, thin, able bodied, heterosexual, cisnormative and eurocentric vision of beauty. The men i find attractive are so far outside of this standard that i honestly find it sad when men think they aren’t or can’t be seen as beautiful when to me it seems as easy as changing your hair slightly or wearing different clothes. I think messing with your appearance is a fun and joyful experience when you focus less on changing your body or face!
I honestly gained so much confidence when i started just braiding my hair in different ways. It didn’t always look good, but it became fun to mess with my appearance until i started genuinely feeling better about the way i look.
More than these advertisements, it's the reality and tinder that depress men more.
@@youtubesucks2755 you know who shapes reality yes? why it became this way? you sure have your own idea and bogeyman or rather woman..
The eurocentric part hits back home. In my country, if you have a caucasian heritage, you will have a pass on celebrity status
Most men feel insecure about their height and penis size actually, not so much about hair and clothes, and I can somewhat see why they would have those problems.
15:33 that "may as well call it prostate cancer" had me dead! I laughed so hard I had to pause the video for five minutes to calm down again
great video btw. very informative and I loved how calm and neutrally you portraied them!
When I was a teen I suffered terribly because of that. Terribly. Now I'm 33 years old woman I quit social media. Applying make up one day it's fun, everyday is a bit exhausting.
How to look and feel youthful without spending money like a celebrity:
1) don't drink alcohol (or limit the use of alcohol you consume, it really ages your skin)
2) don't smoke/don't do drugs (pretty self explanatory)
3) if you want tanned skin please avoid fake tanning. Go to the beach either really early in the morning (from 7 am to about 10:30 am or from 5 pm to 7 pm, these are the healthiest times to be in the sun). Sun rays during the zenith are extremely dangerous (will cause skin cancer) and will also age your skin
4) use face oils instead of expensive moisturizers (like rosehip oil, jojoba oil, etc.). Put a little bit of coconut oil around your eyes to avoid wrinkles in the future. Don't forget the neck and chest!
5) Don't wait till you're 50 to try anti-aging products. That's not how it works. Take care of your body while you're young!!
6) Have good hygiene!
7) Maintain a healthy weight for your body (exercise regularly but pick something you enjoy doing. If you hate running don't run, if you dread the gym find something else you enjoy, there's something out there for everyone). I find that physical exercise has tremendously lowered my stress during school and made me feel happier and makes you want to eat healthier.
8) Don't bottle your emotions, do not actively hate people or hold grudges. Bad thoughts and energy can alter your physical and emotional states.
9) Tell yourself you're beautiful everyday
Thank you for this :)
Not to forget: Face Massage and Drinking a lot of water 👌🏼🙏🏼
And good diet
@@lulael5054 yes these are pretty obvious, I didn't want to sound like an influencer 😂 I drink about 2 liters of water a day
@serena christina I disagree. Coconut oil has different reactions to different people. Personally it has worked really well for me. My mom has used coconut oil on her face for a year and yes it caused her breakouts, and then it stopped. I believe it made all the junk from underneath the skin come to the surface until it got cleansed completely. But again different people different reactions. Same with using coconut oil on hair or scalp. Some people say it works, others don't
2:43 I never thought of it that way. Cosmetic companies make an ACTIVE decision to ignore half of the population. It would take something notable for them to give up making more money.
The ad I got was a cosmetics one, lol. Probably because you mention 'cosmetics' a lot.
I love this video. Growing up I loved theatre and wanted to be an actress so badly, I was obsessed with Artaud and exploring the darker side of theatre. I loved being on the stage, but when I started realising what I would need to do to be a successful actress outside of just drama clubs etc the only hurdle that stopped me was feeling like I just wasn’t pretty enough. Many of my favourite actors growing up were male and I think that is largely because looks just don’t matter as much in theatre for men, some of the best male actors aren’t conventional attractive but their ability to mould into characters is amazing. I started to realise there weren’t many female actresses I actually admired because I didn’t look like any of them, especially not those in commercials and magazines. None of the women on TV had cystic acne like me, or super dark eyebags or a big forehead. I feel like it’s rare to google an actress these days and not see ‘actress and model’. I wish we had the same mindset towards female actresses as male ones, then maybe I wouldn’t have given up on my dream
As a woman who has been trying to explain this to people for years, THANK-YOU! You are such an ally to women :)
He is gonna be pretty dissapointed when he realize that this doesnt mesn he is gonna be fucking you... Lol
@Fat Face Bork Laser Um women are judged way more than that dude. Ever noticed how much hotter female News anchors are then men? How women have cosmetic surgery but men don't? Women have to wear make-up but there's no such thing for women?
@Fat Face Bork Laser By that argument, its incredibly easy to be a handsome man, just be tall.
@Fat Face Bork Laser™ Dude you've been completely obssessed commenting everywhere about height. You make it seem like you're butthurt about and being small. Stop, get some help.
Gosh I feel like this all the time and I know we live in a society and we feed into it but it’s just so exhausting. I envy men because generally they only have to focus on their facial hair, how fit their body is and leave the damn house. Even men who don’t give 2 shitts about their weight or face, are still seen as normal. like even I as a woman do not blink twice when I see men like that. But if I see a woman, just as if I see myself leaving the house without putting in “the expected effort” I hear myself judge me as well any women who I perceive has failed this imaginary standard of beauty. I’m really trying to wear less makeup and be confident in my skin but it’s so hard to break this habit of judgement. Anyway thanks for talking about this. And I subscribed!
It’s refreshing to hear a man talk about these issues! I’ve seen plenty of videos about the beauty standard made by women but not so much by men. And sometimes it feels like only women are aware of it. Honestly gives me hope for the society!
Some people will never know how painful it is to know that society will never find you beautiful because of certain features u have. And it really hurts. It’s something I struggle with all the time. If only we could break this somehow and hold men and women to the same standard because I’m tired of hating myself. I’m tired of it consuming my everyday life and it becoming something that I think about regularly. It’s really unfair.
Aw. I hate that you feel this way about yourself. It pains me to hear about people thinking they're ugly because of the societal standards we've all been taught from a young age. You are a beautiful person whether you believe it or not. Tell yourself that everyday and I hope you'll realize that someday ❤
The men in movies, TV, advertisements, and music videos all wear make up though. No men on the screen just wear the skin they're born with with no touch ups.
There ya go they're all made to wear something. They just using techniques that just "clean them up"
I believe all women, myself included, understand that it's simply ridiculous to want to be as "beautiful" as someone who's job is literally being beautiful.. But we still can't help comparing and being compared to the illusion the media is selling. And the same goes for men, they don't have to look like a chiseled Adonis to be attractive, but the unfair comparisons are there.
Ps:I'm incredibly impressed with your take on masculinity and femininity, man like you give me hope..
true for women but not for men. Men have much harder time when it comes to dating. We do have to look like an adonis to get noticed. Average guys are already bombarding women with so much attention it's hard to stand out if you don't look like adonis.
@@youtubesucks2755 plz I do not want my mentions to turn into a r/niceguys sub-reddit.. You're talking nonsense and you know it. If ut was only Adonis who could get women the population would be 50%smaller than it is. People are nit exclusively attracted to looks, and attraction is extremely subjective . So instead of accusing of being exclusively shallow, maybe you should reconsider to type of women you're chasing..
@@borednerd2100 Settling isn't attraction lol. And don't talk about this "nice guy" shit. I never claimed I am nice. Your argument can be applied to this entire comment section. Coz all women are doing here is complaining. Yet when a man does it ..it's somehow awarded with an insult like "nice guy". I'll stop stop replying if it is so insulting to you that men also have problems.
@@borednerd2100 the pointing isn't about ending up with somebody. It's about putting an effort. People put an effort when they find somebody attractive. Men may do it less subtly than women but point is both men and women show interest when they are attracted to somebody. It just so happens that women are attracted to very few men. They might end up with them coz you know statistics. But that doesn't mean women are attracted to most men. There are literally studies done on this. So probably you are the one who is talking nonsense. But again you'll call me "nice guy" so consider this my last comment if I see any insults form your side.
@@youtubesucks2755 where did I say you can't complain or that men can't have issues. Women over aren't complaining about dating or men not being attracted to them, they're complaining about media's constant and ruthless attacks on their self-image and esteem. And I personally acknowledged that men deal with these issues as well in my comment! Meanwhile you're mad because women don't find average people attractive when that's not true.. You can't be indignant about women being attracted to near perfect physics, it's just nature. But just because they might swoon over certain models /singers/actors does not mean they are exclusively attracted to them and no one else can get their attention . Are you telling you are not attracted to "perfect" women and that you don't seek out women who are conventionally beautiful? That you've never dismissed a women because you found her "ugly"? Because otherwise , you're being hypocritical..
I was thinking about Leonardo DiCaprio the other day, and I realized that the world started taking his career more seriously when he left the "pretty boy" phase that he had at the beginning. He's probably going to be a sex icon for the rest of his life lol, but if we compare his situation with some actresses, you can notice how the beauty standards are really different. People started taking Leo more seriously now that he's not "just a face", but society tells women that they can never change their appearance, cause they need to remain young and beautiful to succeed.
He's hardly a sex symbol for women under 35. If you notice older men also like older actresses.
@Kill it with fire Fr I'm waiting for the day when I can find a women who does all the working and I can stay at home and cook and clean 🔥
He started to be taken more seriously by other men in Hollywood. Women for the most part completely ignore him and have since he stopped putting in the effort. Same as Johnny Depp. Sure, DiCaprio won the respect of his older, less attractive peers (directors, producers), but it still obvious that traditional pretty boy actors have to ugly up to get offered serious roles as those who run the production companies are still men. Often unattractive ones who have to resort to skeeviness to get sexual access the DiCaprio/Depp types don’t have to do anything for, even less pay for. That’s hardly winning I genuinely think it might’ve been calculated so they don’t get left out of the power circle in Hollywood. Anyone at any age doesn’t look at these guys in the same way anymore. Let alone the younger crowd. They have to pay big time for the younger attention.
Conclusion: Stop giving a shit about society's standards and be happy
"If I don't see a beautiful person advertising the product, I won't want to buy the product." is also not a good argument because most of use actually look at Amazon reviews, Yelp, friends, etc. The average person's experience is actually pretty important to my buying habits and I'd bet I'm not unusual in that regard. I would LOVE to see clothing, especially, advertised with a wider range of body shapes and sizes.
I think clothes will generally look better on a person with a slim physique and conventional attractiveness than on an average person.
So you're more likely to buy something that "makes" someone look great (without noticing that they looked great already).
Subsequently, if the clothing piece was worn by an average model, both in looks and physique, it may not look as "great" and it'd represent closer to what you'd actually look like wearing it, you might pass buying it.
love that you asked your wife for help, my partner is always willing to let me practice on his face. *legit just subscribed cause of this vid
Ugh!!! Cannot wait!!! 😮
So excited to hear my
exact thoughts & opinions articulated to
doctorate level by Salari
(since I can't do it myself).
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He dissected it so well. I wish we could give each other a break and stop this thing of judging people based on how they look.... aghh when are we ever gonna evolve as a human race🤦🏾♀️
@@zintlespolo
I agree. Discrimination of people, based on their genetics is fucked up to say the least!
The only thing that these beautiful people on tv achieved themselves* is staying fit. The rest is achieved with makeup and good lighting / camera work. It is easy to stay healthy and youthful when that is basically your only job. They eat the best food prepared by the best chefs, exercise 3-4 hours a day at the best gyms with the help of the best trainers, live comfortably and use the best skincare products money can buy, plus a team of makeup artists and tv people do their best to make them look good. I wonder what their secret is?
I always found it funny when in a *shampoo* commercial they use not only professionally styled hair with a bunch of products in it but also good old CGI 😅