Tonio di Paolo - Masterclass with Pavarotti - Questa o quella
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- Опубліковано 19 гру 2009
- After his first meeting with Tonio, Luciano took quite an interest in his development and would even go so far as to send personal messages of well-wishes when Tonio would debut with a new House or in a new role.
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Sings better than most mainstream tenors today
I dont knwow if many tenors now even know what a tenor is.
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if you correct your commentary in all of the tenors today than i would agree:D
@@doet1064 I can agree that there is a serious problem in general. Other articles which I have written deal with this. I think that exposing the worst and most famous examples is important. Many young tenors are trying to copy Jonas because the enviroment does not allow criticism. Lets give them a reason not to.
It is rare for a student to sing like that! Di Paolo is amazing!
Everyone is a student around Pavarotti
@@mattg5878I'm disappointed at somebody beat me to that exact comment one year earlier
What an honor to sing in front of the grand Maestro
This "student" sings better than a half of all active opera tenors in my country.
*In the world
(Sad, but true)
YOU GOD DAMN RIGHT
Only a half? This student sings much better, than cracked pavarotti!
Monnarch Monnarchy :
Do not agree
@oswoq okedwwew seems fsnatics like you cant able to see a difference
In just a few minutes he changed this guy’s world. That’s what the true elites of any profession can do.
Yes all of what you said and that true elites do not gatekeep which is why I find Pavarotti admirable and delightful. Only wannabe's gatekeep others from pursuing an area of profession because they're not good enough themselves to ever be something. It is rooted from jealousy with bad intentions is my belief and thesis. Pavarotti clearly doesn't have this. A great man.
When the maestro says you have a beautiful voice believe me your good you could see it in the maestro's face that this guy had talent.
Imagine being the most virtuous opera singer of all time and have not even the slightest of ego when teaching students. What a magical human he was!
Oh my god. I love Pavarotti´s singing but the personality... Such a nice man.
So true. He was so charming, warm and sunny.
i like his voice and also the energy and how happy he is even when he make mystakes i love him
We all make mystakes!
@@DiabloMonk Not me...evver.
Except there.
I meant to write "ever".
LOLLLL at Pavarotti at 0:55 "This guy has game!"
1:11 The guy's response like "Please, maestro! Nothing next to you"
How Pavarotti got all his remarks fast and right from a first audition is beyond me
Pavarotti must have really been a godsend. I'm not religious but this man made me believe in something else.....
He reminds me much of saint Padre Pio
Please…
He’s a very handsome nice guy he has lots of potential whom takes constructive criticisms well and sporting a decent sense of humour and from the best
This man is extremely good
What an amazing intimate moment to have this time with a legend
Pavarotti acapella phrases are superb.
1:16 ... The face of the pianista Is like "eh eh now the real job begins"
Tonio is such a sweetheart.. I love him!
Tonio di Paolo here proves to have a very beautiful pure lyrical tenor voice.
In the 1990s, I heard Tonio di Paolo as Riccardo in Un ballo in maschera: he was really excellent in the role.
Imagine singing Rigoletto for Pavarotti-the Duke of Mantua was one of his signature roles!
6:37 that is a fabolous moment, I tend to think Pavarotti absolutely enjoyed that
Beautiful. Pavoritti has a wonderful smile too
Amazing voice and masterclass the best Pavarotti.
An excellent opera singer and THE GOD !!!
this student is amazing
Bravo! Better than most today
Beautiful voice
It must have been nerve racking to sing in front of the master.
Wracking not racking (common mistake)
@@fezzik7619 nerd
@@Chris_Lodi thank you 😊
@@fezzik7619 Chad
@@Guy-bm5wh who’s Chad?
Lovely voice. A singer to be reckoned with.
This is masterclass where the students ask questions and sing to pavarotti, and he guves advices. So Tonio di Paolo himself seek pavarotti judgements on his singing , some comments seem to say that Pavorotti was kind of picky on him, but actually he is there to help. The full class is here ua-cam.com/video/dleosGOPm98/v-deo.html
Do you have a working link of the full class? Many regards!
So beautiful tenore voice!!!
Authentic italian sound.
Rimane una bellissima voce peró ovviamente t stata perfezionata e l ho sentita in un concerto masterclass e spaccava dopo
Lovely.
Di Paolo si scrive così il cognome. Grazie
Bellísima voz Bravo!
Old technique, perfect use of diaphragm etc. ... You can hear in the voice. Beauty.
How is this technique different from modern technique and what to listen for to know if people are singing old style or new style?
@@mirandusings listen to good singing
@@Tkimba2 Very helpful reply, thanks /s
@@mirandusings it’s all about diaphramatic sustain. When you hear thin voices with a lot of effort you know they are doing wrong.
@@mirandusings LMAO, "listen to good singing."
He´s Awesome
パヴァロッティの味付けで、音楽に面白味が出てきていて、面白いです。 この歌い手さん、すばらしい声。Bravissimo
Great voice!
Feliz cumpleanos Luciano que dios te tenga en la gloria.
Amazing singing
The Master !!!
He makes it sound so easy.
I love pavarotti, a wonderful tenor there is an interview with a woman who was 92 at the time I believe it was 1978, she said she went with her mother and father to see caruso in 1909 and that live there was no comparison between him and pavarotti she went on saying that the strength of Caruso's voice was will never be matched and that tenors like that come once every 100 years, makes me think if she is saying that how good really was caruso, because even the maestro himself said that caruso was the best tenor ever.
@Marie Whitbread look up the interview it's on youtube the reporter asks pavarotti who he thinks the greatest tenor is, and he told the reporter there is no one like the great caruso.
@@melilugs3536 Pavarotti was a humble man- well aware of his unique voice but always very respectful of other talented singers , starting from Caruso.
This said, regarding the remark by someone who had heard Caruso live - I would have some doubts about a person in their 90 s recalling their experience from 70 years before.
@@Musettina6 if she was 92 in 1978 that made her 23 in 1908 I totally believe it because my grandfather is 95 and still remembers things when he was a kid just because we get old does not necessarily mean we all lose are mentality.
@@melilugs3536 no one claims that- but basing one s impression on what one felt attending a performance that was so many years before - likely many others followed - is not a good criterion for comparing voices. If a recording, that would have been different.
We all - young an old - tend to memorize impressions through the emotions they triggered. At 23 one is more likely to be more impressed by a good performance than many years later, it s only natural.
Good voice
Happy Birthsday one of the grates Tenor ever existed.
Bravo !!!!! 👍 👏👏👏👏👏
Poor guy was worn out by the end. Who could blame him, that is some pretty difficult music
Cantar enfrente del gran Maestro que nervios.
Bravo Tonio Di Pablo
Just a secret between us. Tonio had a wonderful 40 years performing and last I heard was working at a Lowes as a floor manager in Moline. Wonder if he still works there...?
4:55 Pavarotti enseñando a utilizar el twang sin saber que está enseñando twang
This material is gold for a singer. Pavarotti was a singer with great technique, one of my favorite tenors, from au string to light lyric tenor. But that his conception of the technique works for any type of voice
Theres another one with him somewhere where he teaches/reminds him hold to the end of the orchestration. Its fqboulous quickly you see the difference
Chi non ha capito a cosa è servita questa masterclass evidentemente non ha mai studiato canto... una cosa è imparare una parte e cantarla correttamente, un'altra è perfezionarla ed è a questo che servono le masterclass. Di anticipare e frasare sopra il tempo della prima parte, di pronunciare bene le parole, di certo non te lo dice lo spartito mentre lo guardi! È tutta questione di esperienza, di sensibilità che si acquista con gli anni, ed è a quello che servono i maestri.
Questa lezione è completamente inutile
@@Tkimba2 auguri per la tua carriera da cantante liric* allora
@@aliceboss3134 e questa risposta cosa c'azzecca?...
@@Tkimba2 se pensi che questa lezione sia inutile vuol dire che già sai tutto... No? Cantante esperto
@@aliceboss3134 non vedi che dopo i consigli sbaglia peggio di prima?
Dopo la lezione di un maestro di canto vero l allievo deve sebtire SUBITO il beneficio.
Questo ragazzo ha una buona base ma la tecnica non è ancora sufficiente. Tant'è che addirittura stecca più volte... E Pavarotti non lo sa aiutare.
Saper cantare è una cosa, saper insegnare un altra.
Il resto sono chiacchiere...
I've always prefered Tonio's rendition over Pavarotti's. I know, Tonio is a bit the same all the way, but the spirit of the aria is perfect: the ladiesman, the bonvivant, the joy of life, the lightheartedness, the celebration of pleasure, and that napolitan breeze.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Pues no; una clase maestra ya sea de guitarra, violin o canto no es para enseñar técnica de dicho instrumento, (para eso esta su maestro regular) sino para corregir partes precisas de una canción y/o obra musical de manera concisa, ya siempre hay varios estudiantes o gente que quiere participar, las acotaciones que hace el maestro son precisas y claras (en su masticado ingles) pero muy útiles, valiosas y a la ves complicadas, por eso es que Tonio no pudo realizarlas de manera inmediata.
De donde no hay,no se puede sacar. Y eso es más evidente si hablamos de gusto. Porque mal gusto es lo que le sobraba a ese estudiante
@@rascaypica73 difiero mucho, las marcacions no fueron de gusto sino vicios ritmicos y de articulacion, tonio no parece haberlo tomado mal, y si vez la clase complet se nota que Pavarotti fue muy exigente con el por el potencial que vio
Questa o quella per me pari sono
A quant'altre d'intorno,
D'intorno mi vedo.
Del mio core l'impero non cedo
Meglio ad una che ad altre beltà.
La costoro avvenenza è qual dono
Di che il fato ne infiora la vita.
S'oggi questa mi torna gradita,
Forse un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà.
Un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà!
La costanza, tiranna del core,
Detestiamo qual morbo,
Qual morbo crudele.
Sol chi vuole si serbi fedele,
Non v'ha amor, no no, se non v'è libertà.
Dei mariti il geloso furore,
Degli amanti le smanie derido.
Anco d'Argo i cent'occhi disfido
Se mi punge,
Se mi punge una qualche beltà.
Se mi punge una qualche beltà!
Graciassssssssssss
THIS IS A GREAT TENOR !!
I’m wondering why he’s not doing a Career !!
Where is he disappeared ?!?
He's RETIRED this was 1979.
He had pro career
interesting
Kenny Dalglish plays the piano
Purtroppo non lo ha fatto.
XFactor by Big Luciano
The untrained audience laughing at Pavarotti's instruction irks me.
Por favor, si pudiesen incorporarle una traducción o subtítulos en español a esta cátedra de canto del gran Luciano. Gracias!!
Hola Mario, si queres puedo hacer una transcripcion asi escrita por aca
@@nicolasv7549... Te lo agradecería, bro 👍🤝
@@mariovaldivieso6570 a ver si se entiende algo, cualquier cosa escribime:
00:00-00:06 Pavarotti: Tonio di Paolo va a cantar para nosotros "questa o quella" de Rigoletto(Verdi)
(aplausos entra Tonio contento como perro con dos colas, lo toca a Pavaroti con admiracion y un poco de picardia)
00:16 empieza el aria
Questa o quella per me pari sono
A quant'altre d'intorno,
D'intorno mi vedo.
Del mio core l'impero non cedo
Meglio ad una che ad altre beltà.
La costoro avvenenza è qual dono
Di che il fato ne infiora la vita.
S'oggi questa mi torna gradita,
Forse un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà.
Un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà!
1:09 (fin primera parte, aplausos, Pavarotti lo mira y piensa ya te voy a agarrar a vos, aplausos, Toni piensa que capo que soy.)
1:22 (Tonio se pone las manos detras como quien va a reclamar al referi y lo mira a Pavarotti y hace un gesto con la cabeza como diciendo, decime que no estuve bien.)
1:26 Pavarotri: Tenes una voz preciosa.
Tonio: Gracias.
Pavaroti: Bravo, muy bien.
1:30 Pavarotti: bueno esta aria, en mi opinion, probablemente la mas dificil de todas, primero porque abris la opera con esta, despues de un minuto que empieza tenes que cantar inmediatamente.
Segundo por la forma en como esta escrita, las palabras estan un poco como apretadas...tenes que masticarlas bastante.
1:56 Y la musica es muy rapida
pero vos tenes , en mi opinion, que frasear sobre la musica, a veces lo haces y a veces no.
Por ejemplo al comienzo "pum-pu-pum-pu-pum" (hablando con el pianista diciendole que toque) como es Giorgio?
Pavarotti: (canta) "questa o quella" ese es el nombre del aria, el publico tiene que saber si vas a cantar questa o quella (broma = esta o aquella, el publico rie como si entendiera).
Entonces una vez mas le dice al pianista, "questa o quella",tenes que anticipar solo una fraccion en tu concentracion, tenes que pronunciar questa o quella con la voz que el tenes, probamos, pero generalmete vos estas haciendo todo lo mismo
"S´Anco d'Argo i cent'occhi disfido se i cent'occhi disfido se mi punge, se (explica haciendo legato como un vaiven sin interrupcion como se tiene que hacer y lo imita a Tonio sin legato) "i-cent'-o-cchi dis-fi-do Se-mi-pun-ge" no nunca asi, la orquesta hace ese ritmo, tu tienes que hacer sobre la orquesta
Otra vez, con legato.
3:03 (Tonio canta, Pavarotti se copa a dirigir la batuta)
Questa o quella per me pari sono
A quant'altre d'intorno,
D'intorno mi vedo.
Del mio core l'impero non cedo
Meglio ad una che ad altre beltà.
La costoro avvenenza è qual dono
Di che il fato ne infiora la vita.
S'oggi questa mi torna gradita,
Forse un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà.
Un'altra,
Forse un'altra doman lo sarà!
La costanza, tiranna del core,
detestiamo qual morbo,
Qual morbo crudele.
Sol chi vuole si serbi fedele,
Non v'ha amor, no no, se non c'è libertà.
Dei mariti il
geloso furore,
Degli amanti le smanie derido.
S'Anco d'Argo i cent'occhi disfido
Se mi punge,
Se mi punge una qualche beltà.
Se mi punge una qualche beltà!
4:37 Pavarotti: (riendo )Viste? es mas dificil, un poco mas dificil, entonces tenes que esforzarte un poco mas y probablemente perdes la concentracion lo que es la segunda, ehm la ultima cosa importante.
Que es mantener la voz mas entrecha y tipo como una trompeta, es muy delicado, no debes soltar ni relajar la voz, antes si tenes dos o tres momentos que podes, pero al final "Seeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee mi pungeee e ae, al final si podes soltar , "te reeeee re"
es realmente un problema tecnico, tenes que pensar mas en esto que en otra cosa, muy concentrado sobre esa cosa, todo lo demas que hiciste estuvo mejor, hiciste un monton de esfuerzo pero no te concentraste en el final en la ultima nota, entonces probamos una vez mas,
5:40 Tonio empieza a cantar, Pavarotti interrumpe: escucha, anticipa S'Anco d'Argo , da da da no, S'Anco d'Argoooo i-cent'o-cchi-di-sfi-do aca si podes un poco chispeante al ritmo de la musica, pa pa pa ra ra ra pa paaaaaaaaa, la posicion de esta nota, tiene que ser la posicion despues al final
Tonio: ok.
Pavaroti: paaaaa ra, no muevas la boca, ok? no la muevas, no hagas paaaa- AAHW
Tonio: OK.
6:26 Aria final
S'Anco d'Argo i cent'occhi disfido
Se mi punge,
Se mi punge una qualche beltà.
Se mi punge una qualche beltà!
(applausos le gusto o no le gusto a Pavarotti?)
@@nicolasv7549 jajaja en verdad disfrute leyendo esta transcipcion. Muchas gracias por tu aportacion a este ya magnifico video.
@@LuisUsedThisUsername jaaj bueno @Jose Flores fue un placer
Con todo respeto por Luciano, usted tiene razón, bodiloto!
Alguien que podría traducirlo por favor para incrementar el saber del canto
x2 Que piensen en los que no saben inglés. :'v
@@joelshuan dice que tiene que cantar más legato (sonido unido) y que debería de anticipar las palabras en su mente antes de cantarlas. No debería de cambiar la posición de la boca para la última nota y no tiene que gritar, si no que el sonido debería de ser delgado y como una trompeta en las partes más altas.
La cosa che mi irrita più di questi video sono le risate stupide e a sproposito del pubblico...
A me il fatto che Pavarotti pronunci le parole italiane scimmiottando a caso una pronuncia inglese senza motivo.
1:09
He has Squillo. Noone has squillo today.
Ma bravo questo studente.
Che fine ha fatto?
Si mangerebbe tutti i tenori odierni.
3:00
Questa o quella per me pari sono
a quant' altre d' intorno mi vedo,
del mio core 1'impero non cedo
meglio ad una che ad altre belta
La costoro avvenenza è qual dono
di che il fato ne infiora la vita
s' oggi questa mi torna gradita
forse un' altra doman lo sarà.
La costanza tiranna delcore
detestiamo qual morbo crudele,
sol chi vuole si serbi fedele
Non v'è amor se non v'è libertà.
De' i mariti il geloso furore,
degli amanti le smanie derido,
anco d' Argo i cent'occhi disfido
se mi punge una qualche beltà.
The mistake Pavarotti did is trying to make Pavarotti from di Paolo.
Is it ok to have a little crush on him?
Why didn't the pianist allow him to sing the complete aria?
josemiguel95 because he did not
perfect the First part
Student ? Omg
Singing... haha. What a silly thing to do. (Just kidding I love it)
Can we talk about the fact that the student was better than Pavarotti ? And the fact that his "advice" on the high note was absolutely not helping ?
Pavarotti isn't singing as if he's on stage here, he's just doing the opera singer equivalent of mumbling. In other words he's teaching, not performing.
а ведь ди паоло начинал как баритон, однако вскоре выяснилось, что с оркестром его не слышно.
Ma non sentiva che questo ragazzo era già strangolato, cantanto in questo modo, da non credere.
ma che vuoi insegnare a pavarotti ma dai😊
Does he crack on 'infiora'?
I think he did.
That sounded more like a purposeful tenor cry, but he definitely cracked the second time he sang "un altra"
when you are new with correct mechanism of singing high notes, which is elongating vocal cords, it is very common to crack, Pavarotti also says that he cracked alot on his passaggio and high notes before those muscles that elongate and tense cords got stronger and able to withhold higher pressures that are required for loud singing.
Two times. And in "un altra" . Awful
Oh, yes, hi does.😊
His tecnique is not good. Especially his breath.
4:50
Good full voice singing with squillo and good phrasing. The smaller mistakes are easy to look over because the overall voice is well produced. Modern singers tend more toward a "penny wise, but pound foolish" style of singing, obsessing over particulars when the voice itself sounds weird, strained and unable to move well (in particular, they obsess WAY too much over dynamics and use weird, breathy techniques to create "contrast" far in excess of what is needed).
I thought it was Jack Black at the very beginning.
Однако в свое время вы раскритиковали преображение некоего Гудова из бас-баритона в тенора (тот самый, который учился у Хайнса).
HammondDER
e avevo ragione .
Gudov aveva la voce del baritono vero e non quella del tenore .
confermo,Hines ha fatto un errore enorme di farlo cantare come tenore .
questa è la mia modesta opinione .
Per favore fate commenti seri e ragionando..se ognuno va per fatti suoi nella aria che si fa un insalata...visto quando l ha fatta come si deve fare come ha avuto problemi nelle note di testa..chi ti insegna ti deve spiegare le tecniche per farla perfetta...tutti sappiamo mettere un mattone ma ê come lo metti il mattone
Matteo Fusaro
Matteo,purtroppo non si capisce niente dei tuoi commenti ....
il vecchio .
@@bodiloto penso abbia detto che la lezione di Pavarotti era inutile.
E lo era, infatti.
he looks like Jack Black
Are you kidding, right? 😉
Di Paolo canta gangoso con notas falsas y horriblemente inspirado por el sobrevalorado de krauss
This student aint learned how to sing from Pavarotti due to di Paolo sings much more nasal and constricted voice later than even on this masterclass, while Pavarotti had real 'chiaroscuro'
Кьяроскуро у Паваротти? Кто внушил вам эту ересь?
What?!?! His use of diaphragm was perfect I am not sure what you're on about.
better then his master !?
no
One would need to reincarnate Caruso.
Pavarotti still far by million miles
Ajahahaha
Canta meglio all'inzio che dopo i "consigli"
Ma perché Pavarotti pronuncia le parole italiane scimmiottando la pronuncia inglese di queste?
not a song for his voice... this is for a lyric tenor like pavarotti and f you watch pavarotti this song is so easy for him... this students voice will be more suited for a spinto tenor aria.
"After twenty years". Weren't you listening or just anxious to give your opinion.
Pavarotti: This son of a bitch can f...ng sing....
Guy: F....you, old fart...I will make it anyway....
He did, but "drama" killed his voice..che peccato....
Typisches Coaching von berühmten Leuten. Unverständlich. Am Ende erklärt er den Twang. Machen alle Opernsänger, wissen aber nichts davon.
Er hat doch gar nichts gelernt in den paar Minuten.
No es fácil corregir una crítica con un público detrás. Algunos lo lograron y otros no, pero no son aspectos que pueda notar quien desconoce la técnica a un nivel profesional. Quizá para nosotros y la audiencia los consejos de Pavarotti sonaban ridículos, pero por algo uno es el maestro y los otros espectadores o alumnos.
4:54-5:40 body language screams stfu already, i did a perfect delivery. 6:12 begs again please be quiet so i can do my thing. Lol amazing voice but not very teachable tho.
Not at all, I think he's quite new to the repertoire and is taking everything on board. He seems very modest and honest about his ability.
Hehehe glad someone else noticed it!
Bravo!
And the guy is quite right! Pava is not teaching him anything
Tomba 2 right? I don’t think he needed much teaching lol. He was already really good
A lot of the time students exaggerate body language when it's a new teacher or person they are not used to to make sure that they know that they (the student) understood what he said
"body language" interpreters should stfu.
La pronuncia è pessima mangia le parole, e sforza troppo
Queste lezioni non servono un cazzo