The Making of Jane Doe at Berklee College of Music
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Jane Doe engineer/producer Matthew Ellard and Converge guitarist and co-engineer/producer (Kurt Ballou) sat down with Susan Rogers in December of 2013 to discuss the making of Converge's 2001 album, Jane Doe. Video by Nice Hooves.
This video is a reupload of the original posted on the GodCity channel. It is also slightly edited to avoid copyright violation. Enjoy!
Asking Kurt to comment on the values/strengths of a formal education in music is kind of hilarious.
She mentions they're all paying top-dollar to be there, and here you have Kurt who produced an album that's known outside of it's relatively niche sub-genre because it was so well received. He did everything the exact opposite way, and he was working a day job as a medical-engineer when he did it.
He's sort of proof of concept for not studying music at college.
And punk rock in general is like that, but was the origin of rock: Delta-Blues which was pioneered partially by men who might not have been able to read let-alone read music.
It is a labor of love and passion that sometimes suffers from institution and orthodoxy.
But Kurt's time spent watching Matthew Ellard(who I assume is trained academically) was invaluable to him I'm sure.
But he got to watch a professional, and he had a frame of reference doing DIY himself to build upon.
This makes me think of Tom DeLonge from Blink-182, and how he said when he went into the studio for their 3rd/4th records he felt a huge inadequacy, and it lit a fire in him to become more professional and hands-on with the music production. He then did Boxcar Racer, and I think blew it out of the water with that record.
I bought this record in 2001 and I distinctly remember playing this for people and having them straight up say “this isn’t music”. I was frustrated because they clearly didn’t hear what I and a lot of other people heard, which was an absolute masterpiece of aggressive music and the first truly HI FI hardcore album. I teared up the first time I saw this video because this justified everything I felt (and feel) and so much more. Jane Doe is high art, period, and much like other great works of art, it just took 10+ years for people to understand it.
I think my mind saw the album cover at some point in my lifetime... But never went ahead and discover what was behind it. Today I hear Concubine for the first time and my mind explodes. Fucking lovely. And the collaboration with the Wolfe is on another level, at least for me. Goddamnit, these guys are top notch.
@@joserafaelarguedasrodrigue4696 'fucking lovely' sounds hilaruously ironic hahaha
Truly one of the greatest albums of all time
I listen to a lot of hardcore and dissonant metal in general and I don't understand what you people hear in the album. Its chaotic and grating and that's about it, it doesn't stand out as this genre defining masterpiece. Their later albums are so much better defined
@@ileutur6863 Yeah, well, that's just like... your opinion, man
Can you imagine Kurt sitting in the control room in 2000 and being told that he'd be on a Berklee panel talking about Jane Doe in 2024
I love Kurt and Converge but this woman introducing him and Matt, is so well spoken. That was a perfect intro, I know she's an excellent teacher.
She did engineering for Prince! She’s great, I’ve watched a few videos of her.
@@williamfrench7120 that's cool!
I knew she was a good teacher the second she decided to bring in converge to teach her class
I wasn’t prepared to watch this whole thing in one sitting, but once I started it i couldn’t shut it off
It blows my mind that Converge is at Berklee doing this. I got lucky and bought this album the day it came out. That night when I listened to it, my whole perspective on life changed. I'm so happy for the guys that they can keep doing it.
Leftists love subverting great things. She's literally a liberal arts teacher at Berklee, the tip of the pyramid for cultural cringe. Keep two party losers out of punk!
Its so cool that Susan Rogers loves Converge!
Discovered this band at my Meshuggah concert I recently went to. Knew nothing about them at all. Now I’m doing research into who this band is. Gives me something new to discover! They kicked ass right before Meshuggah blew up the agora! I remember as my friend and I got out of the car, we were walking to the front to wait and we heard them playing through a song inside and my god they sounded insane! Definitely was a great concert!
I was there too! That concert was killer
So happy people are still discovering Converge, they are true artistic visionaries and incredible musicians. Also Kurt Ballou (the guitarist and bearded guy in the video) happens to be one of the greatest producers alive today, he's recorded Converge (obviously), Cave In, Nails, Russian Circles, Every Time I Die, Code Orange, and tons more.
I was watching a video on Prince and this producer came up that looked so familiar, and I couldn't place her until I remembered she was the professor interviewing Kurt Ballou in this video. That was kinda cool.
Love the introduction!! Happy to see how this band get recognized by public in a positive way!
Kurt is a wizard when in comes to Create sounds. My god Converge albums were just walls of chaos in the form of music notes.
I’m looking at a picture of him in the studio for a metal injection interview and he has the exact same shirt on lol, my man is def keeping overhead down.
same, i think it was some motivational speech. it made an impact on me. sadly, it is gone probably :(
Seriously, how great is she?! If that's your prof it just can be great. And loving Prince and Heavy Music... Everything's right.
They should do this for Sleep's Dopesmoker
Oh man I'm glad its back up who would take such a great video down?
Copyrights, for playing Concubine I think haha.
@@dainherndon9946 thank god a saved the entire vid
Gutted. Wanted to show my Wife who doesn't get hardcore this Professor enjoy the play through of Concubine at a Berkeley. Proof that you can nod through and get the beat/groove to such a thing complete with blast beats. Hell I even made her suffer through it before this video on earbuds. Lol.
Oh well.
@@marcelcornec3781 Haha! I actually saw a video recently with Susan Rogers speaking on it in one of my Audio Production classes in college. I think there's a certain peace that comes from it, it's like a brain and psyche massage even if you're not rockin out.
Played a gig in Paris with converge, a dream come through.
This is so interesting!!
I revisit this video at least once a year. So well done. Kurt is a master at composition and production and I love the professor’s enthusiasm. Wish I could’ve had this at my school.
Every Time I Die was a band I fell in love with around the same time as Converge. Their 2nd album Hot Damn, specifically.
ETID put out a lot of albums, and they were mostly garbage to me. The engineering just wasn't there.
But they went to Kurt at Godcity for From Parts Unknown and he brought the edge back out in their sound.
He's a genius. And Jacob's a genius too as a visual designer/artists.
Holy shit this is so glorious, Kurt, Matt & Dr. Rogers are incredible minds
56:16 - 56:25 is the part y'all are here for
Huh
i don’t think kurt mentioned how ben reinvigorated the band
He is very well spoken.
I fucking love this
1:04:00
All the music that really has staying power with me and i end up really loving is stuff i wasn't super in love with into on first time hearing, and then it grows on me.
when i first heard Jane Doe I was 16 and it was my first Converge album and I really didn't like it at first. i just couldn't wrap my head around it having grown up on grunge. I'm 38 now and Jane Doe is probably in my top 15 records ever. I always return to it. In a big way, it was the one that opened the door to more extreme and metallic music for me.
I cannot believe hardcore has come this far. This is a milestone. 🤘🏽
Who's the teacher!? She knows her trade alright, lovely character!
Susan Rogers was Prince's sound engineer in the mid 80ies. She recorded Purple Rain, Sign O The Times and more.
she's totally gorgeous
Legend
I didn't realize Fedor Emelianenko taught at Berkeley. Makes sense
Cream always rises to the top.
Never expected this kind of music being discussed in academia.
Bought Jane Doe at Best Buy 20yrs ago
Anyone else want Susan to be their Mum? 😢
💕😷😷
Is the rest of the video available somewhere?
Unfortunately I don't think it ever hit the internet, but I could be wrong. This was all that Godcity had posted that I could find at least.
@@dainherndon9946 No worries - thanks so much for uploading this part! Fantastic insight.
This is exactly what makes punk rock so compelling wait what.
Kurt Baloo, like Baloo from Jungle Book?
Ballou
His production style isn’t about flash or sizzle- he’s all about the bear necessities.
As i'm watching this video it has 666 likes. Haha.
Just me or are there subliminal flashes cut in to this?
Either something from the original video source was weird or it happened during video conversion.
Ugh. It's messing with my head.
I love Converge. But Fugazi is the model.
Uhhh yeah..the influence they skirt around is Botch. The band they patently COPIED!!!
Botch formed 3 years later than Converge and released their first album when Converge had already released three albums. And there's no skirting around, he mentions them later in the video.
Kudos for not deleting this horrifically embarrassing comment
Best band ever.
Guess Im in minority in thinking Jane Doe was start of their downfall. They peaked with the poacher diaries I think, there wasn't really anywhere to go after that....
You're definitely in the minority, but poacher diaries was fucking crushing. I preferred it at the time as well, because it had double bass and that polished metal style production that I was used to. I was surprised they went for a more raw sound later. "This is mine" is still my favourite breakdown of all time. Also the version of "Thaw" on deeper the wound, that split they did with that Japanese band ummm Hellchild I think? Yeah that version is waaaay better than the Jane Doe one. Having said that, JD is still a revolutionary album and all their stuff has been killer since then too imo. Especially "you fail me", some of the craziest drumming ever on that album.
I don't know, I prefer their later songs that aren't filled with monotonous, coarse screaming. I'm not in love with Jacob's voice so I guess that's why the old stuff is hard to listen to for too long.
yes you are
You’re tripping. Plain and simple. I’m of the mind the album is still ahead of its time and people are just now starting to catch up.
@@grannywalter Honestly I feel like You Fail Me is the record that should get the love that Jane Doe gets.