Excellent presentation. Thank you. For me, this is a big upgrade over the E2000LFP. It weights less, has more capacity, has 30a 12v out with an XT60, saves front panel space by getting rid of the 30a 120v outlet, greatly simplified charging by ditching the cumbersome "dual charging inputs". Pecron really seems to be listening to people.
Yeah I wouldn't want to have 2 charge controllers its always better to have less solar on a solar power station. Yup that makes a lot of sense. It literally has half the solar input somehow that's an upgrade? I guess its always better to have less charging capability with the sun? Call me crazy but thats a downgrade a huge one.
I like it, seems like a rugged little beast. The 5 pin connector would annoy me a little, though. My largest draw is my portable air compressor, and this unit "might" power it, where my Explorer 1500 doesn't quite manage. Thanks for the video, David! 👍
Looks like a nice unit with decent specs. I'm disappointed to see them go back to the 5 pin aviation plug for the solar input, especially since they used an xt60 on the new e1000lfp. 🤷 I have the e1500lfp, but I'll probably stay away from Pecron unless they change that and the weird gap of voltage between the charge controllers. Thanks for your time David.👍
On a side note, it would be interesting to know how may true watts/amps you can get out of that 5521 (or is it a 5525) barrel 12v output. The label says 5a which is a little low for running a fridge or whatnot and many of their units show 10a on this same barrel connector. I wonder if a stable 10a can be pulled on this one (I bet it can) and at what point it trips and disconnects. Of course, the same tests on the 30a XT60 would be nice.
I would absolutely buy this if it had dual XT 60 solar inputs, too bad it is so limited! I already have two expansion batteries that would pair nicely with it.
Great test, as always. These units all seem to have some confounding bugaboo(s), though. That non-standard, or non-common plug will likely be a con to many folks looking at this one. Thanks.
Sometimes they have a soft start on the inverter that increases the voltage gradually when it's switched on. Not much use for the mitre saw which demands power as you use it (could still test though holding it down then turning on the inverter), but other things that turn on and stay on you could turn the switch on then the inverter to give the soft start a chance to ride any surge. I used to have to do this with a vacuum that had a ridiculous surge from it's switch before settling at only 800w.
It is disappointing to me that Pecron does not put the same display in the new models as the E3600LFP with the same features. I had hoped and thought that this would be standard with Pecron for future models after E3600LFP.
GREAT REVIEW. If my c-pap machine draws 10 watts ( without my heated humidifier on) and I sleep 8 hours per night and use the DC Outlet, how many nights would you estimate I could get?
Interesting that you mentioned these. I've actually been approached by both Aferiy and SolarPlay recently and I've been on the fence as to whether or not to give them a look. They 'seem' like they're rebranded units that are OEM'd by someone else...but I'm not 100% certain about that. My reservation with rebranded units is that it is not uncommon for the rebrand to only be in business for year or 2 and so if you have a problem, getting support is likely going to be impossible. As I said, not 100% if this is the case with those 2 brands, but it does give me some concern. I do hope they serve you well, though! :)
I have a sump pump that runs every 7 mins for about 10 secs . I need a backup system. Iam not sure a solar generator will do the trick . I have a 200 ah plus power queen battery and a 3000 watt inverter now . I was planning on getting another battery or getting a big enough solar generator. Not to sure if this would run it for long or any brand. Thoughts?
I think the surge limit on this unit would be my concern for your use-case. I'd imagine that sump pump has a pretty hefty surge. I think if you've already got the battery /inverter setup and you just want more runtime capacity for longer-duration backup, I'd ust add another battery in parallel.
I'm a little surprised in you thinking the solar array could somehow exceed their voc rating and exceed the mppt input. Can't see how that would happen as the array voltage always drops when there is a load applied. As for Pecron they always have a hit and miss with their power stations. Definitely better options out there available for a similar price!
I am knew to this so what I understand is I want to get one the run a small heater in my greenhouse and it gets cold where I live it was 1 degree the other day and for a week it has not made it to 30 degrees so it won’t charge in the greenhouse I would have to bring it in the house to charge it
You need to use the kelvin inputs on the load tester and terminate them in the plug as close to the unit as possible. You are dropping significant voltage in those leads at full load which is wattage that is unaccounted for and will give you lower than expected efficiency numbers. Your 4 panels would be absolutely fine. That 92V is what you "might" get open circuit at full irradiance (full clear noonday sun). Barring a supernova explosion, you will NOT get any more that. Exceeding the 95V limit by a few volts will only cause the charging circuit to shut off. It won't blow up or smoke. You won't exceed it anyway.
Totally agree on the load tester comments. And you MIGHT be right about this particular situation with the solar panels and the max input voltage. However, those VOC rating are not asbolutely precise and do come with a +/- variance. So, taking that into consideration, along with the fact that that I HAVE actually ruined a couple of charge controllers over the past couple of years by being careless and exceeding their max input voltage (granted, it was by more than just a couple of volts :P ), I'm going to err on the side of caution and also wanted to use this as an opportunity to make people aware that exceeding that input voltage is generally NOT something you want to take a chance on. :)
Where do people go for answers about solar? I want to use one of these units to power my pool during the summer. It’s AC. I was told that that was a bad idea. I just need a good place to get my answers.
If you're talking about a pool pump, yeah, that's a heavy lift for a simple 'portable' power station....and for battery power in general, since you're talking a continuous power draw of between 1500-2500W for a standard single-speed pump. So taking an average of 2000W, thats 48kWh used every 24 hours. The average US home uses about 30kWh per day. So yeah...REALLY tough use-case for solar/battery.
In your opinion, if 12V usage of this unit is inefficient compared to the AC power, are there power banks with lower capacities that would be more efficient with 12V appliances or should 12V appliances be avoided?
Well, for max efficiency, you'd need something with a 12V system voltage and only the smallest capacity units really are using 12V system voltage, as far as I can tell. 24V is more common in the mid-range capacity and would be more efficient than these larger capacity units. Still, I think if you're more of a casual user of DC appliances, the difference isn't worth stressing about. On the other hand, if you're needing something more consistent daily use with DC appliances, you'd probably be a bit better off just building a 12V system (battery bank and charge controller) for that specific purpose.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I've messaged one of the established companies asking for a Fridge/Freezer mode in the app. The app can already turn off the inverter, measures output AC power and is aware of time, so why not use that tech to be able to turn on a Fridge/Freezer mode with 2 thresholds. 1st low power level the AC turns off (already a feature with many) and 2nd setting a time interval that the AC turns back on to check if anything is requiring power. 3rd setting might be useful to vary the time low power or 0 is detected before inverter shuts down (again often already a feature on some). The AC inverters are very efficient now on many models, they just need to be turned off and on when not required with a bit of smart app tech. All the physical tech is already in the units, the feature is AFAIK all software and could be written for some existing sold units with an app update. It would also add what many want, the AC to turn back on after a power outage in UPS and drained to 0 SOC, when mains power returns. Sorry for the long post.
The basic math you'd use to estimate that: Approx Runtime = (rated Wh capacity) x .8 / Watt-load. So in this case: 2048Wh x 0.8 = 1638Wh / 600W = 2.73Hrs That said, this particular unit has an effeciency of closer to 0.9, so you'd likely get the full 3 hours out of it. I hope that helps. :)
A test you could consider doing with these power station is efficiency when charging how many wh to fully charge with AC then DC/Solar. Decent battery chargers are 93%, crap ones 80%. DC solar should be 95%+
How is the ambient noise when you turn the AC inverter on? I have had several 1500s that all have the craziest buzzing, whirring, looping noise whenever the AC is turned on. Not fan noise, the fan is different. I guess it would be ok if I were to use this in a garage or basement and never really be around it. But using it in a quiet to semi quiet room, the unit itself can be heard at all times. Nothing like my other units from Anker, Jackery and EcoFlow.
Hello I say watch out. I have/had the E2000LFP, it broke within a year. I contacted them and sent it back for repair. They've had it for 2 months and I've heard nothing from them. Terrible support, good luck but I will not upgrade or buy anything more from them. Thanks
They should have stayed with the e2000's dual 600 watt charge controllers. I would still choose the e2000 over this all day long. Yes its a better inverter but the solar input stinks compared to the e2000. I could care less about the brickless charging feature because I don't charge with my wall. I buy "SOLAR STATIONS" to use "SOLAR NOT MY WALL". I will stick with my E2000 and E3600 you can actually charge those with solar. Huge disappointment.
If most people use them for powering 120v stuff around the house or elsewhere, I would agree with you. However, if people are using these out in the field, car/truck/van camping, to power 12v devices like refrigerators, air compressors, heaters, fans and whatnot - there is a huge difference between Pecron and other brands. I rarely use the 120v outlets on my units and greatly appreciate a variety of 12v outlets and amperage levels.
Your surge testing is kinda useless. Make yourself a small 12ga extension cord where you separate out the hot wire. Then attach a clamp meter that can display and hold the maximum surge current. Reporting the surge current would be the way to go. The clamp meters are not expensive.
Fair point, and I've actually been thinking of adding that level of detail going forward. That said, I don't think the way I demonstrated here was completely useless though, since most people have no idea what the inrush current of their specific tools actually is.
quit usining all over speak, also use easy speak, ie how many hours you can run said device thats plugged in...etc Example:: this computer, fan, or whatever will run for X hours. Thanks.
@ he’s not doing nothing. That’s the problem as soon as he got big enough he stopped. I don’t follow no more. That’s why I appreciate your channel. I like to learn about this stuff.
Customer service is a -10. I ordered a couple batteries, requested a refund before they shipped. I haven't got a refund and it's been 3 months. Stay away from this company if you like yourself
Actually, Pecron has just recently made some significant improvements to their support policies and their team. Seems like in your case, something has gotten derailed somewhere. I'm happy to try and help. If you'll send me your email and Pecron order number to reewrayoutdoors@dwray.com, I'll try and get it to someone who can help you out.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. For me, this is a big upgrade over the E2000LFP. It weights less, has more capacity, has 30a 12v out with an XT60, saves front panel space by getting rid of the 30a 120v outlet, greatly simplified charging by ditching the cumbersome "dual charging inputs". Pecron really seems to be listening to people.
Yeah I wouldn't want to have 2 charge controllers its always better to have less solar on a solar power station. Yup that makes a lot of sense. It literally has half the solar input somehow that's an upgrade? I guess its always better to have less charging capability with the sun? Call me crazy but thats a downgrade a huge one.
Perfect timing .... Was looking at this unit as a possible addition to my Pecron lineup.
I like it, seems like a rugged little beast. The 5 pin connector would annoy me a little, though. My largest draw is my portable air compressor, and this unit "might" power it, where my Explorer 1500 doesn't quite manage. Thanks for the video, David! 👍
Awesome 👍 Am going to be looking in that unit 🙂
Looks like a nice unit with decent specs.
I'm disappointed to see them go back to the 5 pin aviation plug for the solar input, especially since they used an xt60 on the new e1000lfp. 🤷
I have the e1500lfp, but I'll probably stay away from Pecron unless they change that and the weird gap of voltage between the charge controllers.
Thanks for your time David.👍
Hi, I need to power a 16x20 heat press, 1800-2000
Watts , please let me know what you would
Suggest. Loved your videos
On a side note, it would be interesting to know how may true watts/amps you can get out of that 5521 (or is it a 5525) barrel 12v output. The label says 5a which is a little low for running a fridge or whatnot and many of their units show 10a on this same barrel connector. I wonder if a stable 10a can be pulled on this one (I bet it can) and at what point it trips and disconnects. Of course, the same tests on the 30a XT60 would be nice.
Basically a E1500lfp with a bigger battery.
The new F5000 and E3000lfp options look promising.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to the F5000! Specs look amazing.
I would absolutely buy this if it had dual XT 60 solar inputs, too bad it is so limited! I already have two expansion batteries that would pair nicely with it.
Yeah, probably not a dealbreaker for most people, but I agree...I'd prefer XT60 as well on the main solar input.
Thank you for the review.
I enjoyed the revue.
Great test, as always. These units all seem to have some confounding bugaboo(s), though. That non-standard, or non-common plug will likely be a con to many folks looking at this one. Thanks.
Thank you for another informative review!
Sometimes they have a soft start on the inverter that increases the voltage gradually when it's switched on. Not much use for the mitre saw which demands power as you use it (could still test though holding it down then turning on the inverter), but other things that turn on and stay on you could turn the switch on then the inverter to give the soft start a chance to ride any surge. I used to have to do this with a vacuum that had a ridiculous surge from it's switch before settling at only 800w.
Thanks for the tip! I'll have to give that a try.
It is disappointing to me that Pecron does not put the same display in the new models as the E3600LFP with the same features. I had hoped and thought that this would be standard with Pecron for future models after E3600LFP.
Thanks for sharing this review!
Good stuff.. thanks!
GREAT REVIEW. If my c-pap machine draws 10 watts ( without my heated humidifier on) and I sleep 8 hours per night and use the DC Outlet, how many nights would you estimate I could get?
Glad i bought Aferiy and SolarPlay. Xt90 solar ports, better displays and less $$. Also like the SolarPlay variable AC charge rate.
Interesting that you mentioned these. I've actually been approached by both Aferiy and SolarPlay recently and I've been on the fence as to whether or not to give them a look. They 'seem' like they're rebranded units that are OEM'd by someone else...but I'm not 100% certain about that. My reservation with rebranded units is that it is not uncommon for the rebrand to only be in business for year or 2 and so if you have a problem, getting support is likely going to be impossible. As I said, not 100% if this is the case with those 2 brands, but it does give me some concern. I do hope they serve you well, though! :)
can you plug in both charge ports at same time, with a 32+ and a 12 if you have both panels handy?
I have a sump pump that runs every 7 mins for about 10 secs . I need a backup system. Iam not sure a solar generator will do the trick . I have a 200 ah plus power queen battery and a 3000 watt inverter now . I was planning on getting another battery or getting a big enough solar generator. Not to sure if this would run it for long or any brand. Thoughts?
I think the surge limit on this unit would be my concern for your use-case. I'd imagine that sump pump has a pretty hefty surge. I think if you've already got the battery /inverter setup and you just want more runtime capacity for longer-duration backup, I'd ust add another battery in parallel.
Good video.
I'm a little surprised in you thinking the solar array could somehow exceed their voc rating and exceed the mppt input. Can't see how that would happen as the array voltage always drops when there is a load applied.
As for Pecron they always have a hit and miss with their power stations. Definitely better options out there available for a similar price!
nice game setup
I am knew to this so what I understand is I want to get one the run a small heater in my greenhouse and it gets cold where I live it was 1 degree the other day and for a week it has not made it to 30 degrees so it won’t charge in the greenhouse I would have to bring it in the house to charge it
How about showing what the Pecron app can do?
You need to use the kelvin inputs on the load tester and terminate them in the plug as close to the unit as possible. You are dropping significant voltage in those leads at full load which is wattage that is unaccounted for and will give you lower than expected efficiency numbers. Your 4 panels would be absolutely fine. That 92V is what you "might" get open circuit at full irradiance (full clear noonday sun). Barring a supernova explosion, you will NOT get any more that. Exceeding the 95V limit by a few volts will only cause the charging circuit to shut off. It won't blow up or smoke. You won't exceed it anyway.
Totally agree on the load tester comments. And you MIGHT be right about this particular situation with the solar panels and the max input voltage. However, those VOC rating are not asbolutely precise and do come with a +/- variance. So, taking that into consideration, along with the fact that that I HAVE actually ruined a couple of charge controllers over the past couple of years by being careless and exceeding their max input voltage (granted, it was by more than just a couple of volts :P ), I'm going to err on the side of caution and also wanted to use this as an opportunity to make people aware that exceeding that input voltage is generally NOT something you want to take a chance on. :)
Where do people go for answers about solar? I want to use one of these units to power my pool during the summer. It’s AC. I was told that that was a bad idea. I just need a good place to get my answers.
If you're talking about a pool pump, yeah, that's a heavy lift for a simple 'portable' power station....and for battery power in general, since you're talking a continuous power draw of between 1500-2500W for a standard single-speed pump. So taking an average of 2000W, thats 48kWh used every 24 hours. The average US home uses about 30kWh per day. So yeah...REALLY tough use-case for solar/battery.
Nice review
In your opinion, if 12V usage of this unit is inefficient compared to the AC power, are there power banks with lower capacities that would be more efficient with 12V appliances or should 12V appliances be avoided?
Well, for max efficiency, you'd need something with a 12V system voltage and only the smallest capacity units really are using 12V system voltage, as far as I can tell. 24V is more common in the mid-range capacity and would be more efficient than these larger capacity units. Still, I think if you're more of a casual user of DC appliances, the difference isn't worth stressing about. On the other hand, if you're needing something more consistent daily use with DC appliances, you'd probably be a bit better off just building a 12V system (battery bank and charge controller) for that specific purpose.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors Thanks for responding.
@@ReeWrayOutdoors I've messaged one of the established companies asking for a Fridge/Freezer mode in the app. The app can already turn off the inverter, measures output AC power and is aware of time, so why not use that tech to be able to turn on a Fridge/Freezer mode with 2 thresholds. 1st low power level the AC turns off (already a feature with many) and 2nd setting a time interval that the AC turns back on to check if anything is requiring power. 3rd setting might be useful to vary the time low power or 0 is detected before inverter shuts down (again often already a feature on some).
The AC inverters are very efficient now on many models, they just need to be turned off and on when not required with a bit of smart app tech. All the physical tech is already in the units, the feature is AFAIK all software and could be written for some existing sold units with an app update. It would also add what many want, the AC to turn back on after a power outage in UPS and drained to 0 SOC, when mains power returns. Sorry for the long post.
hi i am beyond new to this world of power stations. I just need to know would this power a gaming setup for lets say 3+ hrs running 600w
The basic math you'd use to estimate that: Approx Runtime = (rated Wh capacity) x .8 / Watt-load. So in this case: 2048Wh x 0.8 = 1638Wh / 600W = 2.73Hrs That said, this particular unit has an effeciency of closer to 0.9, so you'd likely get the full 3 hours out of it. I hope that helps. :)
He does this brand compare with Anker f2000. ? Thanks
A test you could consider doing with these power station is efficiency when charging how many wh to fully charge with AC then DC/Solar. Decent battery chargers are 93%, crap ones 80%. DC solar should be 95%+
Can you charge it while it's in use?
Yes. Sorry - I just realized I didn't include that demonstration in this video! :P
pass through performance ?
Reewray beating Jason, Rambkin Bob and Hobotech on another Pacron review! First to release yet again.
How is the ambient noise when you turn the AC inverter on? I have had several 1500s that all have the craziest buzzing, whirring, looping noise whenever the AC is turned on. Not fan noise, the fan is different. I guess it would be ok if I were to use this in a garage or basement and never really be around it. But using it in a quiet to semi quiet room, the unit itself can be heard at all times. Nothing like my other units from Anker, Jackery and EcoFlow.
Hello I say watch out. I have/had the E2000LFP, it broke within a year. I contacted them and sent it back for repair. They've had it for 2 months and I've heard nothing from them. Terrible support, good luck but I will not upgrade or buy anything more from them. Thanks
They should have stayed with the e2000's dual 600 watt charge controllers. I would still choose the e2000 over this all day long. Yes its a better inverter but the solar input stinks compared to the e2000. I could care less about the brickless charging feature because I don't charge with my wall. I buy "SOLAR STATIONS" to use "SOLAR NOT MY WALL". I will stick with my E2000 and E3600 you can actually charge those with solar. Huge disappointment.
Who cares,save your indignation.
@@kevincinnamontoast3669 Nope I will speak my mind.
@@johnmal5975 thank you for your perspective
Non standard solar charging cable and only 700w solar input deal killer for me. No thanks to Pecron
So many out there, they all seem to be very closely for what most people use them for. I would stick with the name brands in case you need service
If most people use them for powering 120v stuff around the house or elsewhere, I would agree with you. However, if people are using these out in the field, car/truck/van camping, to power 12v devices like refrigerators, air compressors, heaters, fans and whatnot - there is a huge difference between Pecron and other brands. I rarely use the 120v outlets on my units and greatly appreciate a variety of 12v outlets and amperage levels.
@@markmonroe7330 Yep good point. Also solar inputs are very important for many people, and Pecron in some models are better than the competition.
Wish they would drop putting on so many USB A, better to have more USB C
sorry i comment some times not giving video a chance to address ...lol. stay warm.
Your surge testing is kinda useless. Make yourself a small 12ga extension cord where you separate out the hot wire. Then attach a clamp meter that can display and hold the maximum surge current. Reporting the surge current would be the way to go. The clamp meters are not expensive.
Fair point, and I've actually been thinking of adding that level of detail going forward. That said, I don't think the way I demonstrated here was completely useless though, since most people have no idea what the inrush current of their specific tools actually is.
quit usining all over speak, also use easy speak, ie how many hours you can run said device thats plugged in...etc Example:: this computer, fan, or whatever will run for X hours. Thanks.
Hercules is too powerful for the Pecron.
Thanks for the product reviews. Please don’t become hoboTech. He sucks now.
Haven't seen what he's up to in quite awhile. What's he doing now that bothers you?
@ he’s not doing nothing. That’s the problem as soon as he got big enough he stopped. I don’t follow no more. That’s why I appreciate your channel. I like to learn about this stuff.
Customer service is a -10. I ordered a couple batteries, requested a refund before they shipped. I haven't got a refund and it's been 3 months. Stay away from this company if you like yourself
Actually, Pecron has just recently made some significant improvements to their support policies and their team. Seems like in your case, something has gotten derailed somewhere. I'm happy to try and help. If you'll send me your email and Pecron order number to reewrayoutdoors@dwray.com, I'll try and get it to someone who can help you out.