You are underestimating dive characters HEAVILY. Sure a solo star lord or solo spiderman isn’t going to do as much as a solo tracer in Overwatch but if you have a coordinated dive especially in 6v6 with 2 tanks all the dive and melee characters become very strong
Teir list is valid. However Panther and Spiderman are Skill check heros. They are good if you are good with them. Not the most viable when Hela exists but still they are incredibly good at splitting attention. Just my opinion
My friend used black Panther with me and he was doing super well. He got mvp and got around 20 kills, it really does come down to skill. The game was a struggle too, the enemy wasn’t even bad. My friend was just better.
I think dive is very underrated in this ranking (specifically hulk) and Adam warlock doesn’t really play for the rez but more for the soul link. It’s an incredibly valuable cooldown that allows your team to push or stand strong against an enemy engage
Except for when your team's Spiderman just got back from the enemy's spawn with a sliver of health and dies because he got bonded with the team's main tank.
@@idealriot2722 yeah solo he’s pretty bad but if you get the team up with mantis and star lord I think it’s worth it to play him mantis can help peel for him then run venom and spiderman with that and your 6th could be whoever else you want
You need to play Hulk like Winston/Doomfist. The footage you had of him shows why you are having such a tough time. You need to be jumping everywhere in and out to harass and build ult while getting recovery during retreats. EDIT: Pronunciation: Hela - hell-uh. Venom - venn-uhm.
Yeah, anyone who wants to be a hulk main can just watch the number 1 wintston player in overwatch(winton_gm) play hulk and see the way he is meant to be played But no matter what, hulk cant really shine with out team communication, as if he is just incomplete and cant really do any thing alone
@@Energyone i know, you said that in your comment already, but i still feel like they should make hulk a bit better with out team communication, but i guess that isnt neccesary if you play him well
@@PIKIBURGER Right, and part of that could be from inexperience - as the game lives on awhile after launch, the need for communication might go down with familiarity just like it did with Overwatch. Support will expect Hulk's typical behavior after awhile.
Literally everyone right now rates Magneto as an S tier if he gets the Scarlet Witch team-up. He's A tier without her but S tier with the great sword because he just mauls teams. Don't subscribe to this guy because he got like 2 tier list placements correct and the rest are all wrong.
Jeff doesn’t have much self healing? He was healing himself fairly well in your gameplay by just putting bubbles down in front of him, returning him to full hp. 15:58
@@joshuagomez7613 not true, you catch loki without shift and he is pretty dead. Same for Mantis and Luna (thier stun isn't that long when it comes to persistent Thors and actual divers than run rampant in the backline)
If you are the 1% of the player base that can play spiderman...hes A+ (with the venom team up) And iron man, is super OP when you can back line correctly. Hes great at taking out healers. Ofc he does have counters but if you have a compitent front line you will be uncontested.
This tier list really sucks and you have a lot of heroes you just don't understand or your skill level in comp is super low. Awful, awful takes on characters like Spiderman and Hulk. You really need to learn the game before you release a video again.
Just a so you know with Jeff you can self heal with his bubbles, and it helps a lot in a bad situation. However, I do kind of agree that he is easy to eliminate but only if you can't heal in time. I would put him in A tier at least. Also, with Magik there is 100% absolutely no way you just put her in C tier... I have 12.2 hours with her, and she also deserves A tier at least. I have wiped an entire team before with her (5 players with her ultimate and 1 player that got revived right after my ultimate ended). She has very good movement (only if the abilities aren't on cooldown) and can stay alive for even an entire match if you are good with using her and have good healers which I have done before. I'm decent at using her but I am 100% sure there are way better players that can use her better than me. Everything I said about Magik applies to quick match mode since I am garbage at competitive mode, but I am still very sure that she is really good in competitive mode if you are better player than me.
I have solo healed as Rocket a couple times and everytime we won the rounds I did. So I think he's amazing and a S teir healer, could just be that I'm a good Rocket tho. 😂
My gf is one of the best mantis players I've ever seen, i have witnessed her dive with a hulk or any of other tanks and 2v6 the whole enemy team and hold point on asgard and the spider map. Ive seen her take everyone critical to full health multiple times with just a quick flurry of heals and just says, "mantis is my spirit animal." I found a keeper boys
@@idealriot2722 Yeah but he's not... Peni is terrible and really only useful for shutting down ults, particularly on flying heroes, but everything else about her is awful. Even her ult just has you charging headfirst into an enemy team where you'll get melted by any team with a functional brain. Hulk on the other hand has the single best mobility in the game and several immunities, two hard CC abilities. He's a beast.
might be the worst tier list I’ve ever seen. iron man higher than bp?? namor, magik C tier?? scarlet A tier?? she’s horrible, would never see play without magneto combo. are you drunk? if you watched the tournament your whole tier list basically ranked the most played characters upside down
Daredevil's gotta be in Passive - see enemies through walls Ability 1 - toggle billy club between eskrima stick, nunchuck, and bostaff (varying in damage, speed, and range Ability 2 - Grapple to high ledges with billy club Ability 3 - Parkour - movement and attack speed +20% for 15 seconds, damage done and taken reduced by 5% Ability 4 - Stun, grab enemies with billy club from a 10 meter range, stunning them for 3 seconds Ult - Everyone gains 20% movement and attack speed (don't got any ult ideas tbh) Teamup - Punisher & Spiderman - Punisher gains Daredevil's passive for 20 seconds as a new ability while Daredevil does 5% more damage as an extra passive. If Spiderman and Daredevil attack the same enemy they have a teamup attack animation (similar to hulk slamming someone on the ground) doing 125 damage (only available in Daredevil's ult)
A Spider-Man in the hands of a good player is S tier in my opinion. In convoy he's really good, capturing zones however, it takes a lot of co-ordination but it also ultimately depends on your team in that mode too tbh. Just had a flawless game surprisingly, 19 - 0. With the way I play, most dps and support characters are getting handled too quick to be able to do anything and thats what I think is essential for the hero in this game.
Bro Spider-Man is kinda insane once you get used to him, I just had my best game in comp with 51 kills, considering the only other character I’ve seen do numbers like that is hela, id say I made it.
Super solid takes. I agree with 95% of the tier list except for Iron Man. I think you can bump him up a lil bit because if you have immaculate positioning, you can pick off people without them even seeing you. His E + right click melts like a MF and his ult is super strong if you can plan an angle. But great job nonetheless 👏🏼
Nah Namor is at least A. I’m absolutely destroying ranked right now with him. My first game with him I dropped almost 30 with no deaths and I had no idea what I was doing. As I’m climbing I’m still doing just as good.
i feel like magik is more of a b tier for me she’s probably the best melee dps in the game for that role and feels way better than some melee characters
Mantis is what OW could have done with Zenyatta. Incredibly similar kits and projectiles. I'm not sure I can go back. She's just a better flavor of what I enjoy.
2:10 this is wrong , because good players Play with good characters, like if he was trolling he would definetly Play something like Black panther on closed maps and also flanking? Bro you can't reset combo if you Die from Spiderman flanking your entire team and running 200 mph away
Every Character in this game has pros and cons, Blsck Oanther and Spider-Man are skilled based heroes and they can do a lot , Iron Man is actually way better than u say, u just have to stay back and be careful, star lord has a crazy burst dmg and u just have to play him coordinated
Finally a worthy tier list ❤ with S tiers and sad truth about hulk and his kit. I'm really sick of hearing streamers say hulk has a good kit bit he is trash!!? What!? What good kit? His kit is a complete mess even his frustrating ulti which knocks back enemies when you hit them and you cant chain hit them cus of it not to mention his grab with which you waist your ulti and you could have done something better.
What is with all these terrible tierlists recently? I don't think I have seen ONE good Rivals tierlist (if you have, please tell me the channel name, I really want some valid advice on the characters)
He's actually fuckin insane. The number 1 Hulk from China showcases how to properly play it. This content creator has no clue what the hell he's talking about.
@@TheShockzero You play him like a Doomfist/Winston right? That's what I've seen and why the channel owner's footage shows why he is having such a hard time. You leap in and out constantly.
As a tank main in ow2 good to know that the main tanks are in good place , getting my hands on both Magneto and Strange would be so exciting, as for off tank since it's 6v6 one choice: Peni But I maining Magik idgf
People like you kinda ruin these games tbh. Game ain’t even out yet you think some characters are unplayable, maybe don’t spend 8000 hours of comp in this game and you might have fun lol.
How is this guy saying he Spider-Man not viable because he played against necros one or two times 😭😭 necros hit rank 1 playing Spider-Man almost every game how is he d tier lmaoo Just because u did better than someone one game doesn’t mean you will do it over and over again
15:20 i think the healing bubbles are a valid tool of self peel. they heal like 100 each and i found myself being able to duel most divers if they cannot finish me off with one combo. Also his ult can be used as a survival tool since he is untargetable during the aiming phase. That being said, i think he lacks utility and his ult sucks. It is way too inconsistent to get value out of imo so B is fair
I have never ever played this game in my life but I will make a comment about Black Panther, from what I've understood he seems to be a difficult character with high skill expression, if that's true then writing him off as F-tier wouldn't be completely fair
I have never played this game in my life but I can say you are completely wrong. From what I've understood he seems to be an easy character with low skill expression, so claiming he's any higher than F tier wouldn't be completely fair
You are underestimating dive characters HEAVILY. Sure a solo star lord or solo spiderman isn’t going to do as much as a solo tracer in Overwatch but if you have a coordinated dive especially in 6v6 with 2 tanks all the dive and melee characters become very strong
Fr, hulk May seem trash but with another good dive character and team communication, he can be an actual threat
Look at Sombra. If she's diving by herself she can be annoying but not a threat. Add another dive like Doom or D.va she becomes a menace.
@@jen-EL there is venom
Teir list is valid. However Panther and Spiderman are Skill check heros. They are good if you are good with them. Not the most viable when Hela exists but still they are incredibly good at splitting attention. Just my opinion
Fact* this isn’t the best tier list imo. Anything with panther and spidey at the bottom tier just loses me.
@@Zanku11 indeed
Huh?? panther is weak when playing comps and spiderman is the better genji copy.
My friend used black Panther with me and he was doing super well. He got mvp and got around 20 kills, it really does come down to skill. The game was a struggle too, the enemy wasn’t even bad. My friend was just better.
@@GDtornado skill issue
I think dive is very underrated in this ranking (specifically hulk) and Adam warlock doesn’t really play for the rez but more for the soul link. It’s an incredibly valuable cooldown that allows your team to push or stand strong against an enemy engage
Well Hulk literally is just there to support Venom. If/when Venom gets nerfed, Hulk won't really have a purpose anymore.
You forgot to mention Adam warlocks shift which is basically a 6 second full team invulnerability
Except for when your team's Spiderman just got back from the enemy's spawn with a sliver of health and dies because he got bonded with the team's main tank.
@@chazzerine7650 heal him before you shift
It has a long cd and he only has two heals at once with like zero escape.
@@idealriot2722 yeah solo he’s pretty bad but if you get the team up with mantis and star lord I think it’s worth it to play him mantis can help peel for him then run venom and spiderman with that and your 6th could be whoever else you want
Spider-Man at D is crazy. There’s a reason you see him so much in higher ranks
What the f? Spider-Man is literally my nightmare when I'm playing support. That mf is crazy I hate him.
You need to play Hulk like Winston/Doomfist. The footage you had of him shows why you are having such a tough time. You need to be jumping everywhere in and out to harass and build ult while getting recovery during retreats. EDIT: Pronunciation: Hela - hell-uh. Venom - venn-uhm.
Yeah, anyone who wants to be a hulk main can just watch the number 1 wintston player in overwatch(winton_gm) play hulk and see the way he is meant to be played
But no matter what, hulk cant really shine with out team communication, as if he is just incomplete and cant really do any thing alone
@@PIKIBURGER He's a high mobility dive tank and in this video the guy isn't playing him anything like he's designed to
@@Energyone i know, you said that in your comment already, but i still feel like they should make hulk a bit better with out team communication, but i guess that isnt neccesary if you play him well
@@PIKIBURGER Right, and part of that could be from inexperience - as the game lives on awhile after launch, the need for communication might go down with familiarity just like it did with Overwatch. Support will expect Hulk's typical behavior after awhile.
@@Energyone yeah, havent thought about it that way
Good prediction
Only person who gave magneto his props def subscribing
Literally everyone right now rates Magneto as an S tier if he gets the Scarlet Witch team-up. He's A tier without her but S tier with the great sword because he just mauls teams. Don't subscribe to this guy because he got like 2 tier list placements correct and the rest are all wrong.
Jeff doesn’t have much self healing? He was healing himself fairly well in your gameplay by just putting bubbles down in front of him, returning him to full hp. 15:58
He meant self peel as in how well he can escape when he gets dived
@@nicholassmith961He can’t really escape but he can survive to a point where it’s not worth it for the diver and they can get focused by teammates
Raccoon was healing him as well and he almost died still. Other healers don’t have that problem lol
@@joshuagomez7613 not true, you catch loki without shift and he is pretty dead. Same for Mantis and Luna (thier stun isn't that long when it comes to persistent Thors and actual divers than run rampant in the backline)
Spidey D tier is a little crazy
The dive characters are low on this list because their ranking is directly correspondent to your skill level.
If you are the 1% of the player base that can play spiderman...hes A+ (with the venom team up)
And iron man, is super OP when you can back line correctly. Hes great at taking out healers. Ofc he does have counters but if you have a compitent front line you will be uncontested.
lets be real WHY IS STARLORD IN D TIER
This tier list really sucks and you have a lot of heroes you just don't understand or your skill level in comp is super low. Awful, awful takes on characters like Spiderman and Hulk. You really need to learn the game before you release a video again.
I feel like Namor is in D Tier as well, cause I don't think he's better than Spider-Man and Star-Lord.
Just a so you know with Jeff you can self heal with his bubbles, and it helps a lot in a bad situation. However, I do kind of agree that he is easy to eliminate but only if you can't heal in time. I would put him in A tier at least. Also, with Magik there is 100% absolutely no way you just put her in C tier... I have 12.2 hours with her, and she also deserves A tier at least. I have wiped an entire team before with her (5 players with her ultimate and 1 player that got revived right after my ultimate ended). She has very good movement (only if the abilities aren't on cooldown) and can stay alive for even an entire match if you are good with using her and have good healers which I have done before. I'm decent at using her but I am 100% sure there are way better players that can use her better than me. Everything I said about Magik applies to quick match mode since I am garbage at competitive mode, but I am still very sure that she is really good in competitive mode if you are better player than me.
I have solo healed as Rocket a couple times and everytime we won the rounds I did. So I think he's amazing and a S teir healer, could just be that I'm a good Rocket tho. 😂
My gf is one of the best mantis players I've ever seen, i have witnessed her dive with a hulk or any of other tanks and 2v6 the whole enemy team and hold point on asgard and the spider map. Ive seen her take everyone critical to full health multiple times with just a quick flurry of heals and just says, "mantis is my spirit animal." I found a keeper boys
This man put Hulk in F tier lol. Can't even take this list serious.
Hulk has been at the bottom of a lot of lists I’ve seen. Or at least bottom two next to Peni.
@@idealriot2722 Yeah but he's not... Peni is terrible and really only useful for shutting down ults, particularly on flying heroes, but everything else about her is awful. Even her ult just has you charging headfirst into an enemy team where you'll get melted by any team with a functional brain. Hulk on the other hand has the single best mobility in the game and several immunities, two hard CC abilities. He's a beast.
There wasn't a lower tier
Spiderman in D tier but Thor is A arguably S tier? Super hot fire take.
might be the worst tier list I’ve ever seen. iron man higher than bp?? namor, magik C tier?? scarlet A tier?? she’s horrible, would never see play without magneto combo. are you drunk? if you watched the tournament your whole tier list basically ranked the most played characters upside down
Daredevil's gotta be in
Passive - see enemies through walls
Ability 1 - toggle billy club between eskrima stick, nunchuck, and bostaff (varying in damage, speed, and range
Ability 2 - Grapple to high ledges with billy club
Ability 3 - Parkour - movement and attack speed +20% for 15 seconds, damage done and taken reduced by 5%
Ability 4 - Stun, grab enemies with billy club from a 10 meter range, stunning them for 3 seconds
Ult - Everyone gains 20% movement and attack speed (don't got any ult ideas tbh)
Teamup - Punisher & Spiderman - Punisher gains Daredevil's passive for 20 seconds as a new ability while Daredevil does 5% more damage as an extra passive. If Spiderman and Daredevil attack the same enemy they have a teamup attack animation (similar to hulk slamming someone on the ground) doing 125 damage (only available in Daredevil's ult)
Will he be a duelist or a support? His ult is that of a support but his kit is of a duelist
@@omrizubary duelist
Only watching this because I FINALLY got a beta code!
A Spider-Man in the hands of a good player is S tier in my opinion. In convoy he's really good, capturing zones however, it takes a lot of co-ordination but it also ultimately depends on your team in that mode too tbh.
Just had a flawless game surprisingly, 19 - 0. With the way I play, most dps and support characters are getting handled too quick to be able to do anything and thats what I think is essential for the hero in this game.
All the fun characters that I wanted to use are all extreme underpowered. Spider-Man, hulk, Ironman
They aren't really extremely underpowered. You can make good use out of them if you play them well.
Watch Necros. He shows that spider man can be A tier
Bro Spider-Man is kinda insane once you get used to him, I just had my best game in comp with 51 kills, considering the only other character I’ve seen do numbers like that is hela, id say I made it.
@@Sussno_ona hulk lose to every other tank every time
Spider Man in the right hands is broken af!
Super solid takes. I agree with 95% of the tier list except for Iron Man. I think you can bump him up a lil bit because if you have immaculate positioning, you can pick off people without them even seeing you. His E + right click melts like a MF and his ult is super strong if you can plan an angle. But great job nonetheless 👏🏼
Nah Namor is at least A. I’m absolutely destroying ranked right now with him. My first game with him I dropped almost 30 with no deaths and I had no idea what I was doing. As I’m climbing I’m still doing just as good.
Idk if its based on my playstyle/skill but I’ve been getting SO much value out of Magik. Personally, I would put her in at least high B
i feel like magik is more of a b tier for me she’s probably the best melee dps in the game for that role and feels way better than some melee characters
Mantis is what OW could have done with Zenyatta. Incredibly similar kits and projectiles. I'm not sure I can go back. She's just a better flavor of what I enjoy.
2:10 this is wrong , because good players Play with good characters, like if he was trolling he would definetly Play something like Black panther on closed maps and also flanking? Bro you can't reset combo if you Die from Spiderman flanking your entire team and running 200 mph away
As a Rocket main, i disagree with your Groot team up take. In my experience, Groot is a different animal & the same beast when I'm on his shoulder.
This tier list is wrong in so many ways
The punisher is how they should aim to make every dps. An extremely well designed character.
He is not well designed lmao he has way too much damage and utility while also being hitscan he basically negs every other dps except hela
And he can destroy tanks with his shotgun
@@zekkizzzcry
ah yes mantis is both s and b very true
I’d say you are sleeping a little on storm with the Thor team up her damage burst increases significantly especially with the damage boost
Every Character in this game has pros and cons, Blsck Oanther and Spider-Man are skilled based heroes and they can do a lot , Iron Man is actually way better than u say, u just have to stay back and be careful, star lord has a crazy burst dmg and u just have to play him coordinated
Jeff is like mercy in OW2
when are they adding Doom? i wanna try the game when he comes out
He might just be an NPC
They will probably add him because they want to add as many marvel characters as possible from what they said
@@Sussno_o I hope that’s true. There’s so much potential with characters.
@RRRRRRRRR33 yeah if we do get one it might be a different version of him that's not prime or 2099
No way you pu Naymor AKA The Depp above Spider-Man and star lord
Finally a worthy tier list ❤ with S tiers and sad truth about hulk and his kit. I'm really sick of hearing streamers say hulk has a good kit bit he is trash!!? What!? What good kit? His kit is a complete mess even his frustrating ulti which knocks back enemies when you hit them and you cant chain hit them cus of it not to mention his grab with which you waist your ulti and you could have done something better.
I think you are kinda overrating Storm just for her ult. otherwise she’s a less mobile Ironman that does less damage but has some team buffs.
What is with all these terrible tierlists recently? I don't think I have seen ONE good Rivals tierlist (if you have, please tell me the channel name, I really want some valid advice on the characters)
The moment I saw black panther in F tier I turned off the video, don’t even know what the rest of this list looks like
Frank is the hero we need against Venom
I really need to play this cuz I don't see how Spiderman and Black Panther are F tier. Maybe it's just me but they look too good to be F tier
This is the best tier list I have seen about this game so far 👍
Hulk being this bad is disappointing
He's actually fuckin insane. The number 1 Hulk from China showcases how to properly play it. This content creator has no clue what the hell he's talking about.
@@TheShockzero You play him like a Doomfist/Winston right? That's what I've seen and why the channel owner's footage shows why he is having such a hard time. You leap in and out constantly.
Spider man is S tier dude
Why only 300 views? I don’t understand why this game doesn’t get more views
Well its a beta, so I think people who dont have access to it will focus on it next year
Magneto mains stand up
Bro put mantis twice in the thumbnail
As a tank main in ow2 good to know that the main tanks are in good place , getting my hands on both Magneto and Strange would be so exciting, as for off tank since it's 6v6 one choice: Peni
But I maining Magik idgf
People like you kinda ruin these games tbh. Game ain’t even out yet you think some characters are unplayable, maybe don’t spend 8000 hours of comp in this game and you might have fun lol.
How is this guy saying he Spider-Man not viable because he played against necros one or two times 😭😭 necros hit rank 1 playing Spider-Man almost every game how is he d tier lmaoo Just because u did better than someone one game doesn’t mean you will do it over and over again
Jeff is the best as when it comes out I won’t kill him
Lost me at magik in c tier
I play evie in paladins, fav char in all the multiplayer game i ever played. Anything similar?
15:20 i think the healing bubbles are a valid tool of self peel. they heal like 100 each and i found myself being able to duel most divers if they cannot finish me off with one combo. Also his ult can be used as a survival tool since he is untargetable during the aiming phase.
That being said, i think he lacks utility and his ult sucks. It is way too inconsistent to get value out of imo so B is fair
The reload speed for Hela’s daggers is to slow
Ehhh mix feelings about the tier list. Isn’t bad but can be better.
Mantis in s then b in the thumbnail?
Uh oh he is moving games again
Calling Nomars turrets chip damage is an understatement
bro does NOT play dive characters💀💀
Veeenom lmfao
Yo I've played with you before wtf didn't know you was a youtuber lol
How the hell you put magik that low
Magik in C Tier...?? 🤨
This list is unbelievable 😂😂 wtf
I have never ever played this game in my life but I will make a comment about Black Panther, from what I've understood he seems to be a difficult character with high skill expression, if that's true then writing him off as F-tier wouldn't be completely fair
I have never played this game in my life but I can say you are completely wrong. From what I've understood he seems to be an easy character with low skill expression, so claiming he's any higher than F tier wouldn't be completely fair
Nerf punisher, Jesus Christ
Namor is definitely the worst character he’s outclassed by Hela in every way
jeff S+
Iron man is op
resuscribing when youre back to the finals
Wahhh 😢
it’s pronounced hell-ah
Still cant play the game
Free game?
I can tell you have a MASSIVE ego.
Bro finals 😢😢
I'm fast as fuck boii!
ottr 💪🏻
Soon as I saw black panther in F tier I knew that you aren’t very good at hero shooters or understand them
Ur delusional, dive is literally the meta and spiderman is probably the most busted character in the game 😂
Spiderman is not busted at all
Scarlett witch is terrible aside from the team ups
shes S tier in bronze
Anyone know when it’s coming to PS5
It's already in ps
@@prisedzi3416 na