Did we make the right decision? M17 M18 Contract
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Typically, the skill level of the shooter is a much bigger problem than the quality of the guns.
The nice part of the M17 is how modular it is. Already since it was adopted Sig has come out with countless upgrades and improvements. Hopefully the military can find a way to take advantage of those and not just stick with the original M17.
It’s honestly doubtful they’d pay so much money to supply the troops with a pistol that they would also have to change out parts…
When the P320 first came out I loved the modularity and went nuts with conversion kits. But, if I had it all to do over again, I would simply buy the compact version with the 3.9" barrel and then order a subcompact grip module along with two 12rd magazines and swap the grip modules, as needed. The compact slide on the subcompact grip works just fine and is easy to conceal, while the compact version (w/ 15rd magazines) is a great winter coat conceal carry gun, range gun, open carry gun, truck gun, BBQ gun, and go-to-war gun.
I have the full size 4.7" barrel conversion kit w/ 17rd mags as well. I can confirm that it is in fact a full sized gun. I shot it twice, its very nice, but its been sitting untouched in its box for at least 5 years.
Compact/Subcompact is the way to go with the P320, YMMV
"iTs So ReLiAbLe It WiLl ShOoT bY iTsElF!" Figured I would just get that out of the way for you.
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Yeah that jokes gotten pretty old at this point, I have a channel with 4000 subs where I’ve heard that joke thousand times I can only imagine them afor other folks
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I own both. The first time I shot the m18, I didn’t like it much. The m17 shot wonderfully. I have since gotten used to it, and find them both to be very accurate and comfortable to fire. I’m still not keen on the optic interface of this platform vs other systems I have used, so I likely will not upfit these.
Several hundred rounds of mixed fmj on each unit has revealed no reliability issues thus far. I have not had them very long, but I am satisfied with the current performance of the system.
Thank you for the honest opinion. I myself was not as big of a fan of the Beretta during my time of service. Just purchased a P320 M18. Looking forward to putting some rounds into it.
I can't speak for Beretta vs. Sig but I can testify that I shoot the Sig much better and more easily than the Glock. Oh how I have spent much ammo and watching training videos trying to do so with the Glock. I pick up the Sig and boom, it is on target! Longer distance is what I mainly speak of. I have been shooting many years breaking in on a 1911 which I also shoot well. I can shoot the Glock but I am just not consistent with it!
I love my M18!!!!
I own the M17 and I have never had an issue and it shoots very well..... I think its a great pistol.
6900 rounds through my Sig Sauer M18 with no problems what so ever.
Took mine out this weekend and man about 220+ rounds thru it no failure I’m not to shocked I own other sigs but man m18 being lighter than the beretta m9a4 I think it has the edge m18 being a compact just amazing!!!!!
I just got the M17 and it's my first gun. I like your review.
Solid video thank you man, do you have a video on wet weather gear?
Not a dedicated video but that will be coming soon!
@@PreparedAirman it would be so appreciated, live out in the PNW it’s raining more than it’s not
They need to let yall use a X grip or Wilson combat totally changes shooting of the M18/17
Always had a Springfield 1911 TRP Operator for ranch open carry. Things a beast with the bull barrel and a tack driver. Then I shot my friends standard 320 and boy was I accurate with it. Ended up getting an XCarry which is the M18 size and I do like it. Ended up getting the 365 after that. The Sigs are truly modular and I do like the idea of just changing over to an M17 or X5 size on the 320 and being able to go XL on the 365.
In the end most handguns today are quality and reliable, definitely a personal preference and comfort thing. Very curious all the 320 misfire shit in the news I'm not sure what to think about that.
The 1191 TRP rocks. That was one of my favorite 1911 when I owned mine.
It's interesting. In the Nautical service at least for a sample size of the last qual I observed. The M18 had more general quals than the M9.
When I was an AF SP back in the 80's I started out with the SW .38 cal revolver and when we got the M9 I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I hated the .38.
M9 - Straight Shooter and supper accurate. But breaks more especially the locking block. M18 - Lighter thats not good or bad just depends on the person, haven't seen one break on a major level like the M9. This is just my Experience in the Navy as GM and training people on both weapon systems. My command had about a %10 higher pass rate with the M18. Personally would have liked the Glock 19X.
Saw cracks in receiver and slide rails as well as locking blocks on M9s but ours had exceptionally high round counts.
Really like my m18 👍
Thanks for the video brother
I already have the full size P320 so I wanted the M18
It was all about the money and that’s why the government went with the Sig, but the Glock out performed sig . We all know that. Glocks track record for reliability is unmatched. I own Glocks & Sigs and I love them both. But when the shit hits the fan, I’m grabbing my Glock.
You ask who normally does that. Idiots who think every gun they own shouldn't have to be lubed or cleaned
I would like to hear from some of the military units on what ammo they are using with the M18s. Read an article where ball ammo was problematic and so they recommended hollowpoint ammo with the M18. Do not know myself, just second hand info from an article on the tests. What are they carrying/using for range quals.
I have an M18 and a 320 xcompact. I got the xcompact first it was my first gun and it was cool but once I got the Wilson combat grip it got a lot better for me and is why I got the M18.
I think it's a shame that several very good pistols lost out because they didn't have the modular chassis system the military wanted. To me at least it seems like a quite pointless requirement logistically speaking. Would have much rather seen an M&P 2.0 or a gen 4 Glock 17 get adopted.
For several years? It came out like 2 years ago
The 320 series released around 2013, the M17 and M18 were adopted in 2017 and I purchased my personal M17 in 2018 so I've had mine for about 6 years...
My personal M18 was purchased in 2020.
In another video, it was noted that the actual M18 uses a stronger recoil spring than the commercial P320/M18, since the GI ammo is a pretty hot round, compared to civilian ammo. Have you noticed a handling difference between the GI and civilian pistols?
No I haven't noticed anything. But that could be because we don't train with our duty HP ammo. When we train it is either FMJ or frangible. Our Hollow point ammo is only used for duty carry.
@@PreparedAirman Thanks. I have seen both spring types in different review videos, so the recoil spring type may not be relevant at all.
I bought a box of M17 +P HP ammo made by Sig for my XCarry (civilian equivalent of the M18). Apparently, you guys can check me on that, this is the same ammo given to our military. No issues with the ammo, I don’t think they are sprung any differently.
@@sammyg4806 Perhaps the heavier spring is more for longevity, to reduce slide battering and wear over time.
Anytime anyone says something to the effect of "did we (the US military) make a good/bad decision?" I say it depends, are we talking about from the perspective of high brass or dirt grunt?
And for anyone who argues "if its good enough for the military..." I remind them that UCP exists.
For the new pistol specifically Id say there are definitely some questionable things with the trials (mil-spec can mean quality...or the lowest bidder).
For use, man just pick a reputable one that fits your budget, use, hands and that you'd actually carry and then get training and practice with it.
Thanks for the video. Have a M18 com and wondering if there was difference in M17... looking to add an X series with red dot and trying to decide M17X or M18X.
And I love my M9A3. 😂
I love my M18, was never a fan of the M9. It was a boat anchor as you said. My performance was similar between the two. BTW what parka are you wearing?
This is hands down my most comfortable pistol to to shoot. Will I carry it? I see good arguments on both sides for and against it.
All I have to say is I purchased this weapon for several reasons. It felt good in my hands when I held it, I was in the Infantry in the Army, and to me it just looked down right cool, so I bought it. And boy did I make the right choice! The trigger is easier to pull on this than my Taurus G3, so I am able to get more accurate shots on target with it. I absolutely love this pistol and will be keeping it forever 😎.
m17 or 18?
You missed the obvious reason the Berretta is easier to qualify with.
Sight radius.
DUH!!!
.3 inches barely makes any noticeable difference lol. In theory I should shoot the M17 better then the M9 because it has an even longer sight radius. Sight picture and sight alignment have way more noticeable impact. Video soon to come!
I bought a used M17 recently and I actually do like it for the most part. I don't have any experience with the M9 Barretta, but I did get an email report from the son of one of my father's co-workers that was serving in Iraq early in the war about their disdain about the Barretta's stopping power. They were having 1911s and 357 magnums shipped out to them from family since they did not trust the 9mm round to stop the enemy at the time after first hand experiences that they went through with it. I am more of a 1911 fan myself due to the service span it had and my own experiences with it in the past. It's too early for me to pass judgement on the M17 since I've only put 50 rounds through it so far, but it does feel like a solid platform to me at the moment. I'm currently thinking about getting a light and red dot for the M17 so that I can use it as my home defense weapon.
Whers there's doubt there's lack of confidence. There are many other brands and less expensive that dont have 'issues". Forget Sig.
Do you feel safe carrying with a round chambered, I’m a bit iffy with the videos of unintentional discharges
All the videos and so-called evidence have been inconclusive through my research and first-hand experience. Alot of claims are out there floating around, but all have been unable to identify a problem. With that in not a sig fan. I railed on the M17/M18 when it came out.
@@PreparedAirman I usually am issued an HK USP or Glock 19 when a pistol is required and it’s usually personal preference to which one but Australia is switching to the new Sig Pro P320 basically an M18 I think so I wanted to ask you Yanks with your excellent firearms skills and personal experience thank you
Are you going to do a review on that wool jacket you're wearing??
Yes, I'm still doing some testing with it but it will be out soon!
Don't care what they hell they shoot, it should be fully MADE IN USA. Period.
I want my m9 back
The Sig never saved Christmas
@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 😂 I just put on die hard
I really do appreciate you explaining things as if I'm retarded, a lot of us are benefiting from it 😂
sounds like the military doesnt train enough.. oh wait
Nice video bro.
I don't know why they didn't go with a current gen Glock.
Because this is superior.
Because DOD required the handgun to be modular and Glock couldn’t bring that to the table.
Glocks bid was over 1 million dollars more
No. Should have been the Glock.
The Glock 19X wasn't actually "modular," and didn't meet the requirements as I understand them. I'll never give up my Glock 45 MOS though. It is absolutely perfect for me with the internals change being a Kägwerks slide release so I can get that high grip
Glock's price was much higher. It doesnt make sense to pay more for a pretty unimportant piece of gear.
I don't care what military uses. Our Freedom isn't found overseas. We should worry about our own liberty here at home. Pedophiles run this shit show, healthcare is a joke, and the people of this country are more likely to be imprisoned here than anywhere else. "Merica."
@@Brimwald Higher price without actually meeting the RFP is a guaranteed failure
@@justsomeguyontheinternet5331 they met the same standard as Glock in testing. They were the only two companies who made it through to the final pricing phase.
Malfunctions per number of shots fired would be far more meaningful for me as a non gun user thanks
So, sounds like most of the people who complain just need to train more?
I love my m17❤️🤍💙
No way are you old enough to have had 14 years in the military lol
I had it prior to joining.
The one thing that I don't care for - that is common with them, is that they are in 9mm
Well, 9mm is the Good & Plenty of ammo world. It may not be the best, but it's cheap, it's available everywhere, and it gets the job done.
LOL!
I have the m18 & its an absolute piece of shit the m9 & g45 are much better I have all 3 this my opinion
This review sucked tbh...
I'm glad it wasn't a review then.
Great vid, new sub
I would have gone with Glock for military use, SOCOM already use them since idk when, so why not go Glock? so we choose a pistol cause it was cheaper? that shouldn't be the only reason in my opinion, and I do own both sig and they are great guns
Dude you talk and act like a tv commercial and ur over doin it when expressing I can tell