Scott Rolen - The Hall of Fame Case
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Hey everyone!
With hall of fame voting coming to a conclusion later this month, I wanted to examine 1 more player on the ballot. Scott Rolen has made significant progress with early tracker results, but will he keep the momentum and be enshrined into Cooperstown? Will Rolen's name ever be enshrined in Cooperstown? That's what we will be answering today. I hope you guys enjoy the video.
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Scott Rolen shouldn't be kept out of the Hall of Fame because he wasn't a filthy stat accumulator. The man was a complete player.
Other players have gotten in because of considerations given to injury issues so imo Rolen should get in
Also I hope he doesn't get held out for him not being a crazy big personality like Bonds or Griffey or ARod. I feel like he let his play speak for him and was awesome at what he did.
What’s wrong with being a “stat accumulator”? That’s how you get paid in arbitration and free agency
He was a complete player. Just a completely good player and no way near a HOF player.
@@joshuapatrick682 stat accumulator means someone who played long past their prime in search of milestones like 300 wins, 3000 hits, 500 home runs, etc.
damn Passan even breaking trades on twitter before the platform was invented 🐐
Even with counting numbers that might not seem great, hes one of only 4 third baseman with 2000h, 300hr, and 500 doubles with Brett, Chipper, and Beltre. He was an all time defender and an underrated hitter, he deserves to be in.
had a career ops + of 122 and a career ops of .822 so he should definitely deserve some ample consideration.
When u made the post for either Rollins HOF case vs Rolen's HOD case I said it then and I'll say it again... Scott...Rolen...is...the...most...underrated...baseball...player...in...the...history...of...the...Game
Damn near the Same WAR as Jeter with 4800 less PA's
I’d go Mel Ott or Eddie Collins over him for most underrated
@@jrob1059 at least those guys are in the HOF
@@darkstar9751 Jeters war is low because of how horrible he defense is but Rolen is very underrated
Agreed.
@@davidlevison9334 well yeah that's why he is so underrated
Rolen, like so many others not in (yet), are easily HOFers. One of the best players of his era.
If Rolen gets in there is solid hope for Keith Hernandez by a later committee.
After Baines got in anything’s possible. I’m waiting on Dale Murphy
After they didn’t let Biggio in I lost hope for them to pick great players
Mattingly might be the most deserving, and Garvey in my opinion. Rolen, I wouldn't be mad. Larry Walker finally getting in renewed a little bit of my faith in the voters
Dwight Evans
I know this is old but I just found this. My point exactly he was very good but not among the very great. They are now allowing guys in and some that had better careers that retired in 80s or early 90s that didn't get in bc they didn't posses the 500hr, 3000 hits, or 300 wins..
go cards! would love to see some kind of Jim Edmonds video even though his time has passed.
Dude I'm saying! I'm not saying he's a lock, though I think he deserves to get it. But he only got 1% of the vote? That's insane to think.
1 of the best arms I've ever seen!! Laser show! Roland was integral in 04-05 as well. A automatic out when hit to him! Fun to watch.
Yes! I was doing research earlier on Scott Rolen and now I've got your Scott Rolen video. It's cool to learn about players that are great that I kinda just missed out on. I think Rolen's chances are low but I like the comparisons to Larry Walker's case. I feel like there could've been a joke thrown in there about the veteran's committee but for the most part a good, informative, and persuading video. Keep it up man, love seeing your stuff and your vids on SRS.
Here are some I feel were very overlooked: Carlos Delgado, Kenny Lofton, Albert Belle, Paul Konerko, and Rocky Colavito.
Agreed. Especially on Delgado imo. He was my favorite position player as a kid and was an absolute stud with the bat
No doubt HOFamer. As a Cardinals fan, I am biased. But he has 70+ WAR, great offensively, great defensively, had success in the postseason from 04-06 with Cardinal teams. Well respected guy in the league as well with no issues or allegations
Aside from 2006 World Series and 2004 NLCS his postseason numbers are pretty bad. .220 BA and a . 678 OPS
@@alwillk he had success both those years in important series 💁🏻♂️
May 10th 2005. On an infield ground ball, Scott Rolen runs full speed into Dodgers first baseman Hee-Seop Choi, obliterating his shoulder. Rolen would return intermittently throughout the 2005 season, but his career was never the same. Rolen lost full range of motion in his throwing arm, and his power at the plate dropped significantly. Rolen would go on to win 2 more Gold Gloves, but offensively he never recovered.
If that injury never happens, Rolen conservatively wins 11 Gold Gloves, has 375 HR's, 2,500 Hits, and a .290 career average. First ballot HOF, no question.
Great video, sir. One extra thing I'll add that I think is important is not only could Rolen be at a disadvantage due to lack of counting stats and accolades, but the Hall of Fame voting itself could end up hurting him as well... Third base is the least represented position in the Hall of Fame; only 17 of them in total and the HOF considers Paul Molitor a third baseman, although i would say he was more of a DH. Once you take out Molitor and look at the people who were voted in by the writers... that 17 turns into 7. Pie Traynor, Eddie Mathews, Brooks Robinson, George Brett, Mike Schmidt, Wade Boggs, and Chipper. That being said, if at the end of this year's vote, he sits greater than 50%, I think Scott will eventually be the 8th. Keep up the good work.
whoa i totally forgot he was on the Blue Jays haha
As a Phillies fan I can’t wait for the Rollins video
He's in the Hall of Fame now! (6th year on the Ballot)
Loved him on the Blue Jays!
What ? for one season?
Don't lose sight of the fact Rolen blew apart his shoulder in collision with He Sop Choi in 2005 that ended his season.
If I remember right Rolen ended up having 3 surgeries on that shoulder.
And he finally made it
Notice how every stat shown in this video Andrew Jones is ahead of Rolen. Jones also had 10 gold gloves
He also won a silver slugger, the Hank Aaron award, and was an all star 5 times. Oh, and he hit over 400 home runs. Best defensive center fielder I ever saw. It's criminal that he's not in the HOF.
Congrats Scott, well deserved I think
SportStorm's baseball reference- clicked on almost every third baseman
This is an interesting case, Rolen was a good player. He was solid offensively and excellent defensively. Whenever cases like this pop up I think of Ozzie Smith, now I'm not making direct comparisons Ozzie wasn't anywhere as good as an offensive player as Rolen but Rolen wasn't as good as a defensive player as Smith, so what happens? My guess is that he doesn't make the HOF... at least not this year. There is for me a secondary issue/award he might not get as well and that is a team retiring his number. The longest stint he had with one team was the Phillies and that was 5+ seasons but that stint didn't end well. So the next viable option would be the Cardinals where he had 3+ good seasons and 1 bad but I don't see the Cardinals retiring a number for that limited service. So he loses again.
HE’S IN!!!
Hey man I really love your content! I (and a lot of other people I think) would love to see a Hall of Fame Case on Mark Buehrle. 2005 World Series, a Perfect Game + No Hitter, 214 Wins, Stellar Defense, Incredible durability with every season that wasn't his first or last having 200+ innings pitched. I hope I make a decent case, cant wait for the next one.
Even though I’m an Astros fan whose seven-year-old heart was broken by Buehrle and the rest of the White Sox, I still think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. The man was a workhorse.
Bro could you do Torii Hunter hall of fame case?
A bunch of those Phillies players from that team are on the cusp. Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, Victorino etc. even Jamie Moyer
Day 5 of asking "Please do Bobby Grich - the HOF case!"
He’s doesn’t diserve it - he left me and my mom as a child. He’s a basterd
@@benbrown3973 Is that true? Sorry to hear that. However, HOF is based on performance in baseball, not on actions outside of baseball
@@djsvarietychannel9664 technically is does have to do with things outside if baseball, like Pete Rose
Wholly shit, I love the way you think
I remember growing up as a Phillies fan and seeing rolen make amazing play after amazing play at 3rd base. The best defensive 3rd baseman I ever saw. As for his hof case, I'm not so sure. He is definitely known more for his glove. He did miss a lot of games throughout his career too. Time will tell. I hope he gets in one day
Ozzie Smith is a HOFer solely because of his glove
Absolutely should be in, no question
There’s 263 players currently in the HOF. Only 17 of them played 3rd base. 3rd base is the least represented position in the HOF. There’s even two fewer 3rd basemen than catchers. Rolen should get in with today’s emphasis on WAR. He’s also never had any type of suspicion about juicing. The Phillies have another player who will have a similar argument to make the HOF. Chase Utley’s career numbers were badly hurt by not getting to play every day until age 26 and his knees falling apart. He never even finished higher than 7th in MVP voting. But he was probably the smartest base runner in the game and he played a very solid second base. He was a phenomenal offensive player for that position. From 2005-2009 he led all second basemen in almost every important statistic and was 2nd in the sport in rWAR in that time period. By the old voting standards he wouldn’t have a prayer. But thanks to WAR being so important players now get much more credit for being great base runners and fielders.
rolen could have played a possilbe amount of 2754 games
Rolen, Wagner and Jones are the only real HoFers in my opinion for this class
the '04 - '05 Cardinals are the best teams I've ever seen
Fred mcgriff, Dale Murphy, Jorge posada, Don Mattingly, will Clark
Great video. I think Rolen is in line with guys like Robin Ventura, Matt Williams and current Zimmerman and Longoria. All good players but I don’t think HOF.
Here’s why he makes it. Next to catcher 3B is the next hardest position to play. In the same breath defensively as Schmidt and Robinson. Top 5 all time is worth something. Best arm at third, excellent base runner, offensive numbers better than Ron Santo a HOFer. Plus in the middle of Bonds Sosa Clemens, and Schilling being removed Scott Rolen did it right, gave his shoulder to the game without complaint so sometimes the good guy gets rewarded.
Also I have his game worn spikes signed from his rookie season. ROY season. Live in Philly, bought them at the Phillies ALS auction. I’m actually trying to give them back to him if he does make it. Or maybe donate them to Cooperstown.
I'm here from the future to tell you he got in finally.
He's definitely not a first ballot, inner circle guy but he deserves to be in
as a lifelong cardinals fan i am aware of this fellow
Are you gonna make a Billy Wagner Hall of Fame case?
Loving these HOF case videos
Absolutely amazing to watch play third. Dude was built like a Linebacker but moved like a ballerina, had a rocket arm and never bounced a ball to first.
I think Rolen falls into the Hall of Very Good unfortunately...because I liked him despite the fact that he played for the Cardinals and the Phillies two rivals of my Mets.
As a fellow mets fan, I concur with you're assessment of Rolen. He was a very good player, really respected his game but he falls just short of HOF. If they were to ever add a wing to the hall for second tier players he is a shoe in for that.
Can you do a hall of fame case for Mark Teixeira? He’s on the ballot next year
70 war and 855 career ops with injury plagued career is pretty impressive
He did it, the guy I was named after
I think should do Mad Bum. I think it would be very interesting
He was elected today with 76% of the votes.
Do McGriff next.
Great video as always
I’m glad he made the Hall of Fame
Im wondering why you skipped over looking at Paul Molitors info stats by not clicking his name. An underrated HOFer imo.
Albert Belle was a great hitter should get some consideration for the hall of fame.
It's nice to see Scott Rolen finally gain some traction.
lets gooo
Garvey, Whitaker, Murphy, Lofton, Concepcion, and Gil Hodges......... Please?!
Bro I LOVE your channel. How do you think the Padres chances to win it all have changed since the trades?
I like to think the chances are greater than last year, but the Dodgers still exist and the Mets seem to be going for it too. Should be an exciting season!
I don’t really count on MVPs for players in the early 2000s because it's not like they're all gonna hit 70 bombs annually
Keep up the good work
thank you!
Would love to see a video about Dustin Pedroia (No i don't think he has a HoF case, but he has an interesting career imo)
I loved Scott Rolen
Do you take requests? I really think Jose Rijo is the most underrated pitcher in MLB history.
I understand he wasn't that dominant as Maddux or Pedro, and yes his prime was shortened by the injury, but still, he deserves much more attention.
Put Rolen Rolen Rolen Rolen in.
Put Rolen Rolen Rolen Rolen in
(Sung to the tune of Rollin' by Limp Bizkit)
Wow Bonds, Clemens, and Schilling are so close
I don't care about the Hall of Fame but I can honestly say he was a superb 3rd baseman like few others. Out of the guys I watched everyday for entire seasons , only Buddy Bell was as good on 3rd base defense as Rolen .
Finally!!!
Defense wins games
Wake up MLB
Can you do Juan Gonzalez Dale Murphy Joe Carter Jose Canseco
Always liked Scott rolen
Do the Laytroy Hawkins hof case
Funny how these days third base in the new first base in terms of elite hitter.
Hi, do you take requests? Can you do Trout? Is Trout that special? Well, I know sabermetrics and I know how good his WAR is, but how good is he actually compared to the other GOATs? His career BA is already starting to go under 300. He hasn't won any major batting titles. His best season was his rookie year or his second, and his MVP was an elimination. There are people spending thousands of dollars on his rookie cards, for a man that hasn't actually achieved anything at this point. Is he worth that hype?
Edmonds?
The Bigs was the best game. Threw me back
Can you do John Franco or Keith Hernandez
Rolen is a sure fire HoFer
PA IMO reference the team ability to generate appearances.
You should do mike trout
That video WOULD go on TikTok
Can u do one for mark buerhle or paul konerko
do matt moore pls
Keith Hernandez should be a hall of famer
disagree with your outcome but thumbs up on the video
Who’s here after he got in
Based on this video, Nolan Arnado is just the reincarnation of Scott Rolen. So in short... 100% a HOF.
70.1 WAR 10th highest all time for third baseman. Stop disrespecting him and put him in!
ive got a butterfly effect for you.... how d-lo exposing nick young led to the nets superteam
It's always difficult for amazing defenders to get in even if their offense isn't bad.
except for Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson
They had twitter in 2002?
given Rolen's rate of increase he's gonna make it
So what about players like Bobby Bonilla and Bernie Williams who have almost the same stats as Scott Rolen ? If just a little over 300 career Homeruns, 2,000 career Hits , 1,000 runs and 1,100 RBIs is Great than let's put all the other retired players and future players in with the same just above average stats in the Hall of Fame ! Utterly Ridiculous ! He got in because he was favored
Rolen was a better fielder than either Williams or Bonilla.
@@Tommy_Wimmer He's not a Hall of Famer ! 4 years ago he only had 10 votes if he wasn't a Hall of Famer than he's not now.. How do you jump from 10 to 73 votes in 4 years
Playing his first several seasons at Vet Stadium, it's no surprise he had durability issues. He played too hard to last in that place.
rolen was a monster, 6'4 240 pounds
That damn Hee-Seop Choi
Briefly played on Pawtucket Red Sox. Never called up.
Keith Hernandez
If Ozzie smith can get in survey token can
Is this the same content creator who does company man?
Who’s here after Scott Rolen got elected to the HOF?
If he gets in then torii hunter should get it