2018 Jaguar E Pace - Petrol and Diesel Driven Back-to-Back !
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- Опубліковано 21 гру 2017
- The new E Pace from Jaguar has class leading looks that's for sure. The question is, which engine to choose ? I got to drive the 180 BHP Diesel and 250 BHP Petrol variants back to back. This video puts you in the drivers seat of this exciting new SUV. The cars were also very different trim levels, so I also talk about which trim options you should consider.
A huge thanks to Harwoods Jaguar Chichester for letting me have access to their brand new demonstrators. If you want to try one out for yourself then give them a ring to book a test drive.
Harwoods Jaguar Chichester
Address: Terminus Rd, Chichester PO19 8TX
Hours: 7:30am-6pm
Phone: 01243 210440
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PRICES - The E Pace starts at just over £28k for a FWD D150 Manual. The D180 AWD like the one I drove first starts at £32.5k but in HSE trim is £42k. The P250 AWD in S trim is £32,600. I would want the P300 AWD HSE but that starts at £48,400 !
One of your best reviews. Lack of Apple CarPlay concern but possibly a lack of a spare wheel even more concerning. Your videos are refreshingly different from the usual youth bloggers - keep up the good work in 2018!
+Mark Williams Wow Mark, thanks for such positive feedback and I’m glad you enjoyed the video. It is a super car 👍
Finally someone testing a 250 petrol version which’s the one I’m going for. Thanks.
It was really good too :-)
Brilliant brilliant edit from one to the other. Well impressed with that touch.
+ginggur17 It turned out better than I thought it would 😂
Great information and thank you for taking the time to give such an extensive and balanced view of the e-pace
My pleasure Damien, I'm glad you enjoyed it :-)
Great test! That is the result of doing what you really like! Also, great cars (both!). Congrats!
Thank you for the review.
I have a p250 ordered and this video convinced me that I have made a good choice.
Great comparison review Peter, looking forward to seeing how your channel develops through 2018.... Enjoy a weeks rest..
Many thanks. No rest for the wicked, I have my 2018 Review to film and edit ;-)
3..2..1... and we are in the dark Iol.I recently had Farnell Jaguars XE R Sport diesel demo for a week with the 180 ps engine and it was a decent enough lump. The 300 E pace looks to be the car of choice for the gent who likes to really press on though. Great video as usual. Merry Christmas Ped and to all your viewers
Merry Christmas to you too :-)
Thanks for the last year and Merry Christmas!
Thanks buddy and the same to you :-)
Very well done great great info going to get p300 hse you made my mind up love the channel
Awesome! Thank you!
Just got myself an automatic diesel 180 AWD HSE such a comfy car with pace You didn’t mention the Dynamic Sport mode with the use of the paddles seriously enjoying the car tho great blog thanks for comparing the petrol and diesel I might go for the Petrol with glass roof and HSE next time
Looking forward to this
Awesome review ❤
Stunning looking cars, I was meant to be getting the puma st in mean green, been waiting near 9 months an kept getting put forward an dates changed only to find out it's not even in UK yet an won't be here till well into 2023 so cancelled it, good news is that I spoke to parks ford when I cancelled puma an I am now getting a jaguar e pace p200 AWD r-dynamic s in silver colour with 20 inch black alloys and the cream interior in 9 speed auto,it's a 68 plate and will be delivered to ford Elgin on Monday 19th December and I pick it up on Friday 23rd December, so excited, great review as always thanks ped 👌👍🏴
Good overview Pete nice work!
Thanks Stephen :-)
I have subscribed for you 👍 You have a lot of great reviews i think 👍
Hi There. Welcome to the channel, great to have you along for the ride :-)
E Pace sounds like it should be electric .... wow, the jump to the petrol car shows you how nice the sunroof makes the car
I know, much more logical than the iPace ! Pano roof make a HUGE difference !
Great review ! THX
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it :-)
good video as always
Cheers Janith :-)
Great video...thanks a lot.
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it :-)
Yet another well balanced review Peter. I have to say, it's not jumping out at me. Not a huge fan of the shape. Everything is starting to look the same & were it not for the grille & badges I wouldn't have known it from the many that are out there. Price range looks comparable to the competition, just not a consideration for me. Now the F Pace .............. hmm.
Have a great Christmas & look forward to seeing you in 2018.
Happy New Year & many thanks for all the great reviews you've done for us during 2017.
Cheers,
Geof
Cheers Geof. It seems to have an even number of fans and haters ! I've had a blast this year and just glad people have enjoyed my stuff.
Have a great Christmas and see you in the comments next year :-)
Two tons! But this does look the best SUV,exterior wise I have seen Pete 😉🍺🇬🇧
I doesn't feel that heavy when you are driving it and it sure does look pretty !
Sure, we might not feel the weight but consumption, agility, stopping distance and performance does.
Its only half a ton lighter than a Bentley Bentayga for goodness' sake!
Need for Speed Passion it does not weight 2 tons who said this sheet
Hi another very good vid do not like base models but I think the torque with a powerful diesel is fab and effortless you are very watchable compared to some others hope Santa is kind all the best.scotland.
Hi Richard. Thanks for the lovely feedback and Santa was indeed king this year :-)
Another great review
Yes an big difference in performance with the petrol.The car felt as if it had way more power in the engine.The noise was also better.
There is a lot of head room even for a guy like you who’s tall.
Are you more than 6ft in hight.
The desiel version has a really luxurious interior.
Hi there. I am 6'3" :-)
Saw one yesterday at local Jag dealer and they are much bigger than I thought they were,
Wales? Oh, sorry Whales!
They are a good size balance. Enough room inside but not too big to drive and park !
Yes, more a Qashqai than a CRV in size. Not that there's a massive difference between those in exterior dimensions, but the interior of the CRV is more generous in most dimensions than the F-Pace.
Which of these is more desirable? It depends whether engine performance and badge are important to the individual buyer. Personally if I was spending £40k plus on a car then my current favourites are the Velar and XC60. If equipment and value and a perfectly acceptable performance in a compact SUV, then a high end Qashqai. Wouldn't bother with 4wd at under 200hp because all it adds is weight and cost for no gain for 95% of drivers 99% of the time. Over 200hp and 400Nm torque, yes 4wd gives generally more stable acceleration. Then there's that couple of days every five years or so when it snows. Does one need to travel in conditions where 2wd cars will probably be blocking the road anyhow?
Enjoyed watching this vid.The petrol version really appealed to me with the extra torque, and looked fun to drive. I agree ,if you`re spending that sort of £ a classier interior would have made it more appealing.
I would love to see you drive and review the Subaru impreza WRX. The reason being, that I am not(yet) a good enough driver to really put it through its paces on the public road.
I have been talking to Subaru recently about getting access to their cars. Hopefully in the new year :-)
Glad you enjoyed the vid :-)
Yep HSE for the interior and the petrol version sounds good. Love the rear view but not sure on the front. Might be different if I see one in the flesh.
They are really cute in person :-)
Interesting. Both 2.0 litre? Does that increase to 3.0 as you go to the high power? Interesting too as you note that the F Type gear stick and interior styling touches have been brought through instead of the gear dial on the rest of the autos across the range. Good work and it looked fun! 👍
Hi Ryan. All the different power options for both diesel and petrol are from a 2.0L engine. I really like the F Type gear selector too. It a great fun car to drive :-)
Petrol and diesel are around $2.00 here which is about 1 pound there, diesel is still the frugal choice.
Great review as usual. Thank you for sitting in the rear seats. While you mention you are a "really tall guy", can you tell us how tall? The rear seat doesn't look like a place anyone would really want to be, except for a short 'tight' city ride. Long distance rides appear to be out, except for the little ones, but I suspect this Jag is meant to compete in the 'luxe city car suv segment" anyway. Us big guys (I am ^six foot one) always have to go up a segment, if we want our passengers to actually be comfortable, or if we ever have to sit in the back for a 2 hour drive. Thanks.
Hi Mark. I'm 6'3" and have a 35" inside leg. I wouldn't want to sit for too long in the back but a shorter adult or child would be just fine.
Great review; well that's my next car sorted, shame I'm only a short way into a 3 year lease contract :-(
Oh dear, that will be a long wait then ;-)
Yes a very true review of the two models, high spec petrol would be my choice. One thing you did not mention was the all round viewing position from the drivers seat, when reversing take care, as the rear views are blocked by the head rest and the general line of the car. nice line from the outside, but be mindfull.
I didn't do too much reversing ;-)
Just put a deposit ( from Harwoods who were very good) down for a P250 R-dynamic SE E pace with a panoramic sunroof looking for to getting it in the New Year. Is it worth adding the adaptive dynamic option as I am not sure about its benefits ? Thanks
Awesome...I bet you can't wait 👍
Hi Petrol Ped. Any views on P200 Vs P250
Excellent video, great comparisons! If given a free choice it would probably be the the 300 HSE petrol. But if no money limit I would prefer an F Pace, it's just a better developed package.
Hi Robin. I'd have a P300 HSE too but they start at £48k ! I think I'd wait for the F Pace SVR :-)
Nail on the head yet again pal, brand new car, yet car play is on its future refit. Bit of a fudge don’t ya think lol?
There must be a good reason. I think Panasonic do the tech behind the MMI.
Beautiful compact suv but pricey if you like your toys and gadgets. Much better styled than most of its rivals
Fantastic content as always Pete. It runs against DNA but I reckon the iPace will be a Tesla-beater
Thank Humph, I am sure it will and I hope to be able to get behind the wheel of one next year :-)
Love the review... just a shame you didn't do the D240 v P250 , looking at the other reviews, nobody seems to do a review of the D240 it is always the D180.
Just did what they had 😥
Heavier doesn not mean lower CG ! CG is independent of mass amount! It is the location of that mass that matters (basic see-saw physics). 2 tonnes is just like Outlandish PHIB (28mpg IMP real world v 148mpg claimed NEDC). "Both of these cars are very dirty" ! Yup: Jack up a "normal car" into the airflow to increase drag. Add, massive wheels to increase unsprung weight and roadside particulates (2/3rds from tyre contact with the road, 1/3td from exhaust). All part of our #supersizemeSUVwastefulconsumerculture ! Fight #vehicleobesity #addlightness #improve aero Better off with a estate car if you want a load lugger or trailer capable machine.
Thanks for the detailed response. I am aware of what CG is and it is JLR that describe the extra mass in this car gives it a lower CG, I appreciate it also comes with drawbacks and it mention those ;-)
Good evening Pete!!
+Francois G Evening Buddy 👍
Great review! Could you indicate which color each car is since they seem to have different shades of white? Thanks.
I think they were Fuji White (Petrol) and Yulong White (Diesel)
Petrol Ped That's what I thought. Thanks again for the information.
I’ve always preferred a white leather interior, but, Jean stain can be a nuisance. Looks very nice I have to say.
Just wish I could find out when the E Pace is coming to the Americas!!
I'm afraid I don't know either :-(
Almost two ton! Are they in competition with the Velar do you think Peter?
Yes, probably but I think the Velar is even better inside !
ginggur17 1760 isn't two tons lmao
Nice Pete still prefer the F pace better looking front end.Not sure how much premium petrol is in the U K nowadays 😀
£1.85-1.95 😳
hello!what do you think about the Range Rover sport p400e?thank you so much
Hi There, I've not driven it. I've only driven the new RR Sport SVR which is absolutely superb, and I owned a previous shape RR Sport Autobiography so I'm a big fan !
I'm sure it will be very good :-)
thank you so much
Nice Video. Is the ipace the same but EV ?
No, it's a very different vehicle even if the looks are similar. I can't wait to drive it :-)
Great reviews as always Petrol Ped, I'll remain a Porsche Mecan fan as my SUV. Good try Jaguar.
I love the Macan. The compact SUV benchmark, especially the GTS !
love how it looks like an f pace
It looks like an F Pace that has been shrunk in the wash ;-)
a bit of constructive critisicm
could u angle the sony action a bit away from the a piller, as the a piller is ricght in the middle
thanks
+Janith De Silva Thanks for the feedback. I’ll do my best 👍 Although I have a wireless remote to frame the shot it’s not till you get home and see it in a big screen you get to see the detail 😜
other than that great work on your videos?
mind if i ask if u have a headmount as then u could make some killer pov content.
I bought a GoPro Hero Session to use for the and external shots but I am having problems getting it working. Hopefully in the new year I'll get some POV stuff done as I think it is nice to show, especially when on track :-)
oh great, cant wait.
youtube really lacks some good quality pov videos on normal vehicles
what are the relative prices Ped?
They start at just over £28k for a FWD D150 Manual. The D180 AWD like the one i drove first starts at £32.5k but in HSE trim is £42k. The P250 AWD in S trim is £32,600. I would want the P300 AWD HSE but that starts at £48,400 !!!!
OMG! I had to go and watch a couple of E Type videos after seeing this thing!
What a difference the panoramic roof makes, the petrol version was like being in a cave.
LOL !
Hi Pete
Is it a evoque badged as a E pace ???( Jag RE :make!!!)
That is a bit harsh ;-) They feel very different to drive but arguably go up against each other.
Interesting review and comparison, thanks. To say the fact it’s made of steel lowers the centre of gravity is factually wrong. If the steel was concentrated in the the lower parts of the car then that statement holds some truth but you stated the car is made of steel. Mass is always the enemy of all moving vehicles. It doesn’t matter where the C of G is when the things weighs as much as a traction engine, it just ruins all dynamic ability. Panel fit and alignment looked inconsistent. petrol version did indeed sound sweet.
Hi Mark. I described it that way as that is how Jaguar do. You are of course correct about the concentration of the mass. For example if you look at Tesla, the low down placement of the batteries aids cornering. Clearly, this car would be better if it was made of aluminium as that would reduce overall weight which would be a good thing.
Petrol Ped ok fair play you quoting jlr but we both know that’s just marketing bullshit.. mass is always the enemy to agility. Do you want a 2000kgs aluminium motor through the twisties or a 3000kgs electro barge??
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Apple car play comes with a hefty licensing agreement...Probably in the facelift...if the car sells..which it will.
I didn't know that. Maybe that is the reason, but other manufacturers support it and 90%+ of the people who buy a JLR car will have an iPhone or Android device so I just don't get it !
I thought JLR were making a fortune at the moment. Why have they tried to save money making the body in steel rather than aluminium. This must be classed as a step backwards.
To pass that onto the customer in a lower purchase price.
The new platforms aren't out yet. That being said, the E Pace is still a brilliant machine, albeit a bit heavy.
They may well be building them at Halewood on the same platform as the Evoque and Discovery Sport.
If it is to save money, then they are not passing it on to customers with their rather optimistic pricing. I mean, compare the price to the rather bigger Volvo XC60 and the upcoming variants of that, which is F-Pace competition, and on the other hand with volume selling established SUV's that are perfectly nice but with fewer engines that are less powerful but perfectly adequate, like the Nissan Qashqai at around half the price for a similar equipment level.
Fair point Peter but I wonder how that saving compares with higher running costs due to increased weight
i.e emissions=higher road tax=higher MPG plus blunted performance ?
It's heavier because of the Metal used , they have used more metal to make it safer than the competition,
Jaguar cares about safety more than any other car company
P300 HSE plz :))))
Me too !
your the only drive channel who rates this car then! priced around 55k for good spec p300 " can get a Mercedes glc 43 amg petrol for under 50k if shopping around
+jonny jones I like to be different 😜 They can be pricey if you get excited with the options list !
top review though bud" just think this will not be a big of a hit as there f-pace! wich really not that much more than well spec e-pace" if you shop around like on carwow
The more money you spend on a few toys could push the price over the £40k threshold so you end up paying sky high road tax for 5 years, its a difficult choice
Good point 😬
The roads round here in Lincolnshire are rubbish too
It looks like a hit.
Yep 👍
Ped, you are a nice guy. Maybe you are being just a little to kind to this Jaguar (just my opinion). 😉
It’s also my opinion. He had the chance to test two cars in the same day, kindly offered by a Jag dealer, he couldn’t talk to bad about them.
Firstly, thanks for the comment and I would hope to think I am a nice guy ;-)
I would like to think I strike a good balance. Overall this car is very good so I wasn't lying when I said it was had to find fault. I did criticise the MMI for not supporting Apple Car Play and also was clearly not a fan of the lower spec and diesel engine. I am still establishing my channel and it is a difficult balance. A Jeremy Clarkson or Chris Harris can destroy a car, that is not so easy for me ! I also tend to review cars that I am likely to like. Anyway, I hope that helps. Maybe I could have talked about the pricing more as the E Pace can get pretty expensive as you go up the options list !
I didn't completely blow sunshine their way and would like to think I say it how I find it, but there is a balance to strike ;-)
Petrol worse than diesels overall. Higher CO2, CHs, CO, acrid Ammonia / NH3, 10 times more Particulates even under Euro 6 rules (no PM traps on most new petrols). Higher NOx than the diesel after 50,000 miles due higher wear rate of pertol engines. Simple solutions: Run all diesels on #hvo made from waste (not food) for higher MPG, lower PM, NOx. Use electric preheating to avoid 70& of start up/ warm up emissions #defa
Thanks again for the detail :-)
Euro 6 are much cleaner than the old ones, but they still aren't as clean as modern petrol engines. Petrol engines also don't kick out the carcinogenic particles which diesels do (that also linger at ground level), which is why we are seeing diesel bans in some city centers.
Carbon buildup is generally much worse in diesel engines as well, due to the diesel itself. Good petrol engines don't suffer with it so much. That is what hurts emissions, mpg and reliability as they age. It's not uncommon to start having issues with things like the turbo and injectors on high mileage diesel cars (including catastrophic failure), caused by the buildup.
I'm an Idiot sadly not true, petrol engines emit more carcinogenic fumes and ultra fine PM2.5. Which goes deeper into the lungs than even PM10. USA has filtration over petrol pumps to help reduce benzene intake whilst refueling. www.ft.com/content/60b7cc8c-56b2-11e3-ab12-00144feabdc0
Gdi / petrol engines that try to copy diesel technologies emit more than their diesel cousins : www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/05/170523144338.htm
p300 the best
Make sure you don't kick medium size stones up into your friends on bikes faces, or they will be very VERY upset.
In the Netherlands, the price of this Jaguar (the Diesel) is 80,000 Euro (including 16,500 Euro CO2-tax). That brings it right into the space of the Porsche Macan..... Guess what I will be choosing !!
The Jag is simply too heavy, too old fashioned in Engine design. With the 1900 Kilo weight, the road taxes are 190 Euro per MONTH !!! No, this will not be a runner in the Netherlands, there are many others with better specs, better performance and substantially less costs (Alfa Romeo Stelvio, BMW X3, X4, Merc GLC, Porsche Macan and last but not least Audi)
Wow, that changes things quite a bit !
indeed, your beloved P300AWD HSE is Euro 90,000 here.....The Porsche Macan starts at 75,000 😎 (less CO2 tax)
Macan every day for me...especially the GTS ;-)
You need to sort out the microphone/sound issues. Also stop saying very very all the time and don't start a video by saying 'guys'. Any presenter will treat the film as him talking to one person. The car looks good. I was at my local dealer last week and the e-pace was better in the flesh than I expected.
Thanks for the feedback :-)
Almost 2.000 kg is a let down
My crossover has the same size and weights 1.390 kg , 600 kg more affects, Performance , Braking & handling
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Any Journalist which believes more weight means handling does not know what he is talking about
That is actually how Jaguar describe it, and I didn't say more weight equals better handling. I said a lower CoG aids better handling. Clearly not have that weight would make it even better !
niceguy60 the P250 weighs 1760kg, not 2 tons! The D240 weighs 1840kg some how
IMHO, this car has poor interior design, materials and refinement (considering the price, of course). Performances also are way under what one would expect from a Jaguar and from such a compact car (to be honest, there's not a single car in this segment that overcomes the competitors, they are all nothing special). I think that one who wishes to have a real "premium" SUV should look at D segment. Jaguar F Pace, considering obvious differences in price and size, is a lot better. But Alfa Romeo Stelvio, Porsche Macan and also Audi Q5 and brand new BMW X3 are better than F Pace. In C segment, probably the best ones are VW Tiguan and Toyota Rav4 (Hybrid).
I agree with you but when looking for a small suv, let’s say within 440 cm in length, there’s nothing better than the E Pace.
It absolutely amazes me that the head designer and all the top jaguar people that sign these designs off could not see that the front of the car is just so bland and Suzuki swift boring that they could let this design be on the front of an expensive Jaguar , they say it is a similar design to the F type and that cars front is a mess as well , but the backs are full on original Jaguar and stylish , Ford is another company that comes out with fuggly cars that everybody that sees them just go what were they thinking , don't these design dudes ask other peoples opinion .
You're not a fan then Bruce ;-) It does look really nice from the back though !
Yes the back is outstanding , but why the lack of effort to the front , now if you take the upcoming Jag I Pace that is one outstanding beautifully designed original car , stunning all over and if the global financial crisis had not damaged my retirement fund so much that would be my final car , another example of complete top management failure to produce the goods at a critical moment in time for a company that has made so many bad decisions and that is Ford with the Lincoln Continental , all the ford management had to do was line the continental up with all the cars it had to compete with and ask themselves does this stand out enough to attract buyers , the Continental looks like a Toyota Camry from 10 years ago and naturally it has failed as a top of the range Ford product , blind Freddy could of told them that , what do they pay these top guys 12 million dollars a year for when all they have to do is ask 100 fans of the brand what do you think of this design while it is only in the design stage , another classic balls up would not using the Ford Evos concept design on the latest Mustang , the Mustang cant forever use a design from the 1960's , but that is Ford for you , who would be dumb enough to sell Jag and Land Rover for peanuts .
What an engineering tragedy making that car out of steel and weighing two tons , they have got to be kidding , jaguar just went backwards and are not being consistent with an image of lightweight aluminum construction and frugal fuel use .
Maybe the money men made that decision !
Great review. However I do not like this heavy Range Jaguar.
Glad you enjoyed the review. The car isn't going to be for everyone I guess :-)
Looks like a Jaguar Prius! Not a negative. Does anyone else see that?
How tall is "really really tall"?!
Why not spit it out so we have an idea of scale? Maybe you are a tall dwarf with issues, or maybe you are over 2 mètres 20. Really really tall means nothing!
+Ian Logan 6’3” with a 35” inside leg 😜
Tall wallet is the main issue!
Petrol Ped Strange coincidence! Me too.... I would say I was tall....ish ..... at a stretch. Useful to have a scale, thanks.
Ps. An old friend was 7 ft 9. He was only really tall.
WOW...that is HUGE !!
I still hate these SUV things.
Instead why not convert your estate vehicle with portal axels!
/watch?v=XJ83vSNnXgg
Like a Volvo V90 Cross Country
I don't like the styling ... Alfa Romeo Stelvio is way more interesting ... Jaguar, start working on a 7 seater X-Pace plz.
Each to their own I guess :-)
ich bezahle für mein E Pace 150 PS Automatik mit Allradantrieb , Anhängerkupplung + Tagfahrlicht 39000 € in Paar .
Technically this car is such a disappointment. Comparing the 180 hp diesel with the 20d 190 hp BMW X1 it is at least 150 kg heavier. It impacts the performance: much slower 0-62 (X1: 7.8 sec, e-pace: 9.3 sec) and top speed (X1: 219, e-pace: 205), co2 emissions (X1: 123-127, e-pace: 147) and corresponding fuel consumption (X1 mixed: 4.7 - 4.8, e-pace: 5.6). The e-pace figures are not worthy of a modern car!! It is also ridiculously wide (nearly 2m without mirrors!). It's styling is nice but other than that a real letdown......
Even the new Volvo XC40 does a lot better........
You're not a fan then ;-)
I was initially. I considered ordering an e-pace to replace my wife's car. I live in France and a co2 of 147 adds another €1873 in taxes. Besides I could not see my wife parking a car that wide in our garage or driving it around town. Finally ordered the new X2 (25d m-sport) 😊
What about a Smart?
Noisy interior.
Weight categorically does not improve handling. Utterly ridiculous.
I understand that but I said the lower centre of gravity improved handling. Clearly the lighter a car is the better 👍
Petrol Ped sorry if my response sounded rude. Lower cog is good but the most likely way I can see a steel car having one is a lower ride. I guess these aren't for off road use.