WrestleTalk's Wrestler of the Year 2023!
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Luke, Dan and Oli count down the best wrestlers of 2023!
00:00 - Intro
03:10 - 15-11
04:27 - 10
09:06 - 9
12:50 - 8
15:38 - 7
20:02 - 6
23:56 - 5
30:52 - 4
35:12 - 3
40:29 - 2
47:37 - 1
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FINALLY!!! They gave my boy Akira Tozawa some recognition and placing him as number 1. A bold choice I must say Wrestletalk, but a welcomed one.
It’s just a disappointment that R Truth only got number 5
Jinder Mahal at 3 was more than fair to the former WWE Champion. Love seeing him on these lists!
THE POWAH OF TOZAWA!!!!!
That dance too NAAAASTY to not be number 1. Gunther gotta be number 2 now
Thats nasty lol
Ilja Dragunov deserved to make the list this year. He hasn’t missed once all year
Respectfully, he could have had Roman or Jey's spots
Agreed; his matches against Dijak and Hayes in particular were unbelieveable
I just saw his DM star ratings, and I’d be curious if ANYONE had the average that he had in major matches.
Deserves it more then a jabroni like Orange Cassidy.
Gunther broke both the 30 man Royal Rumble record and the Intercontinental Title record and had some great matches. That earns Wrestler of the Year in my book.
Yeah but Ospreay...
@@louquayWhat about him? Awful promo, terrible accent, unproven draw, typical gymnastic wrestling style that 100 other people have.
Yeah but Ospreay…
And instead people voted for a guy named William Ocean Spray.
Wow, that was a really funny one buddy!@@Nobody-bp5wh
I can only imagine how excited Luke was by his spreadsheets.
These are my favourite videos of the year as well
Been waiting for a year
Honestly my sleeper pick for this is Dirty Dominik Mysterio. Yeah granted he isn't having the best matches you'll ever watch or had a groundbreaking title run or anything, but in terms of growth--in confidence, in wrestling ability, in character--from start to finish this year he's got to have made the most. His heat is astronomical and his ability to get a crowd engaged has been consistent from start of year to finish which is no mean feat. His mania program with Rey, working all three brands at once for months in the mid-year, he's been a reliable hand and brilliant heel all year and I think his growth and crowd reaction earns him a top spot
Shocked that Christian isn't in the top 10, for me he's potentially wrestler of the year, if not he's character of the year at the very least.
He's had 2 great matches. Fewer than anyone on the top 10. Character wise you can make a case, but this is holistic. He doesn't wrestle good enough often enough to make the cut.
I feel like everyone has forgotten about Athena. She has had an incredible year imo, and is definitely the best female wrestler of 2023. She 100% deserved to be on the list.
She probably does, but unfortunately the ROH curse hurt her; very few people saw her work outside some Twitter clips (me included tbh)
People have forgotten, they just don’t know because no one gives a shit about ROH.
I will come back to this, I'm excited to see where Sami Zayn is! I think he's been fantastic this year!
That seems like a fair spot for aul Sami
Ilja Dragonuv not being on this list is wild behavior. He was in my top 3 with Gunther and MJF
Gunther deserved the win.
I dont think Kenny Omega should have been in the top 5 of 2023 due to him being off tv so much but it's wild to me that his two matches with Ospeay alone didn't get Omega in the top 10.
It's wild that Mox won last year and wasn't even nominated this year. Similar feeling with Kenny. He's neevr won one. Oh well
Kenny was my woty tied with ospreay
I would love to see these end of year lists as TLC's, as even if there's overlap, would be cool to see the differences and "dark horse" pics.
I would personally have Dom in at least the top 15. He's been a workhorse, improved massively, and became the first person the main event all 3 weekly shows in one week. Consistent heat and improving ring skills won me over.
Every company worldwide considered? LOL
It's a mark list voted by marks just like Wrestling Observer awards. So of course someone who doesn't do marathon matches or doesn't do flips is not on the list.
My wrestler of the year has to be Trick Williams. Whoop that trick!
Did ilja dragunov not make this list? Did I miss a section?
I know INDUS SHER is a faction but putting them all in top 3 spots is a BOLD move and also respectable move by WRESTLETALK
Honestly... just wanted to drop this in... Roman would be more of a dominant champion if he WAS dominant in his matches. He always relies on interference and in the beginning of his reign, he was more dominant in his matches. Now, if not for the rest of the Bloodline, he would've lost that championship way earlier.
Agreed, and it's exactly why Gunther is so good. He is the definition of dominance.
Really, he should have only needed interference against Cody this year.
Bruh where is Dom ?
I fully want a Eurovision version of this with everyone dressed up as wrestlers doing impressions doing a little spots
R-Truth at number 1 was a great choice!! He has had an awesome year and hope he can be the first repeat.
Justice for Drew.
Man's been consistent all year round and had some absolute bangers against a variety of opponents.
Id have Athena easily in the top ten, roh isn't doin much but that shouldn't change the fsct that she's had a hell of a year
The only person I would have loved to get more votes is Athena. She has made RoH watchable.
I'm really happy to see R-Truth in the number 1 spot! Well deserved.
My top 10:
Honourable Mention to Sami Zayn, Ilja Dragunov, Mascara Dorada, and both members of the tag team of the year, Astronauts (Fuminori Abe and Takuya Nomura)
10. Jon Moxley
9. MJF
8. Darby Allin
7. Swerve Strickland
6. Bryan Danielson
5. Christian Cage
4. Athena
3. Orange Cassidy
2. Will Ospreay
1. Gunther
I have to say im surprised, that adam page didn't get any nominations. On top of the swerve feud he also had that emotional feud with moxley in the beginning of the year, that turned into the elite vs blackpool combat club in yhe beginning of the year.
Love watching these videos over the Christmas period
1. MJF
2. Gunther
3. Cody
4. Christian
5. Rhea
6. Priest
7. Roman
8. Drew
9. Seth
10. LA Knight
Oli always has the most common sense in these situations, I can understand when he feels exasperated.
Great work as always! Perhaps next year you could add Best & Worst Promo/Segment
These are my favorite episodes of the year. Congrats to the top 3, they absolutely deserve it
Great video guys. Great insight as well. Loved it
Eddie fkn Kingston… should be there next year as he was robbed this year…
Honourable mentions:
Mike Bailey
Ricky Starks
2024: possible sleeper picks based on projections for a top 15
Kyle fletcher
Damien priest
Dominik
Takeshita
Julia hart
Athena
MCMG
Vikingo
Tiffany Stratton
I've never agreed with Oli more than I have in this video
I look forward to these episodes, and how excited Luke gets by his stats every year, especially since im stuck in qaurantine for the week and maybe Christmas this year.
Oli's nod acknowledging tony khan was hilarious💀
For me Ospreay, MJF, Gunther and Sami Zayn are my nominations for wrestler of the year, a great year for them
Edit: can't believe I almost forgot Dom Dom, I think he's had an incredible year
Will ospreay deserves that spot. If you know wrestling, you know
One of the things I love about GUNTHER matches is that he has no set finisher, so there's always a little bit of doubt with his covers.
Would love to see you guys do one more "of the year" show, where you include a bunch of small categories and just rip through them quickly without going so deep into the discussion (or, you could go deep if you wanted to!) for things like most improved wrestler (since you kind of can't do a rookie of the year in wrestling) best angle, best entrance, best segment, best character work, etc. Put em all together in one video like the annual awards pre-show, and just make it a fun reminder of a whole bunch of awesome things that happened through the past year.
It was so great to be able to vote on this, my top pic was Gunther.
In case there's any random hate comments, there are no specific criteria for the list and it is an average of multiple top 10 lists from many people at wrestletalk.
The year of mjf is one of the best. begining as the most f u heel and end up as beloved face is amazing character work. and the adam cole mjf stuff was one of the funniest and interesting stuff this year and the matches he's had this year were phenomenal. But holy shit osprey matches were insanely good and the kenny matches were the best all year❤
Love these
I love the Back to the Future reference Luke pulled out when talking about Gunther. Top tier Luke.
Only people who I would say should’ve gotten some recognition would be some of the nxt guys like ilja, melo, Wes or mike bailey but that definitely has to do with eyes on them
Look forward to this more than Xmas every year 😮
great as always. saw that the likes were on 999 so had to like to be the 1k like :)
No dragunov is crazy
Good show you guys always deliver one day soon I will join trust me your one of my top picks
Roman not being top 10 because you want to see him more is WILD
I always forget that the best of Roman happened in early 2023.
For me:
1. MJF
2. Gunther
3. Orange Cassidy
4. Will Osprey
5. Jon Moxley
Make Dan a “Drew Stole my Catchphrase” shirt xD
“Number 8 Orange Cassidy”
Oli - “now we’re talking!”
“Number 5 Cody Rhodes”
Oli - “Fair”
Proper AEW stan 😂😂
I’ve been waiting for this 😏
I feel a bit for Christian Cage, he should’ve made it imo. What an incredible heel run he has had this year
Mine would be
10. Samoa Joe
9. Will Osprey
8. Cody Rhodes
7. Swerve Stickland
6. Roman Reigns
5. Gunther
4. Christian Cage
3. Jey Uso
2. Orange Cassidy
1. MJF
The only reason I can think of that Roman is only at 10 is recency bias. His run from rumble through the tag matches were fantastic.
Gunther would’ve been my number one
Can you do a playlist of the matches / wrestlers / shows of the year please?
I Wait all year for this
I love how they justify none of them putting women's wrestlers on their lists as "oh it was the company's fault". Like Even I could put at least 4 women on my list, Statlander; julia hart; rhea;. For the choices to be completely up to them and they still don't put women on their lists shows how much empty lip service their complaints are. Does the booking need to improve? Absolutely. but c'mon wrestletalk, put your money where your mouths are.
Rhea is the only female in both AEW and WWE that should be in the top 10 imo. However her reign hasn't been booked well at all.
Guilia is right there as well
Athena has been the best female wrestler all year and it hasn't really been that close. If they spent half as much time listening to people telling them "Hey, this Athena ROH stuff is worth a look" as they have complaing about every single thing TK does with ROH, they would know it too.
For me my top 5
1.Gunther
2.MJF
3.Orange Cassidy
4.Rhea
5.Osperey
I cant wait until the top 10 matches. I wonder which Omega vs Osprey itll be
It could be both tbh
@@diabeticman2194 1 and 2 imo
@@spencertrainer8488 wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case; MJF/Cole at All In is my personal favourite, not sure if it will make the list tho
Ospreay is now a two time WrestleTalk Wrestler of the Year, and a two time Cultaholic/Jack The Jobber Wrestler of the Year!
What if Oli's booking is right... Cody vs Roman at mania 40, Cody hits Roman with a, 4th or 5th cross rhodes falls to the floor reaching for the cover. Damian Priest comes down and actually cashes in on the match attempts to pin roman which would of got him the win but Cody broke it up and it leads to Roman beating Damian and costing Cody his 2nd Chance. To me that is the only way Cody can actually lose without costing his momentum with the fanbase. I call this Heist of the Century gone wrong
With Roman getting so close to hogan’s record, I could see it
That's.... actually not a completely terrible idea.
No matter how you look at it.. Cody losing in anyway, getting pinned or not.. he will lose momentum because this would be the 2nd time he's failed to finish the story. After this people aren't going to give 2 shits since it's been going on already too long.
It's great on paper but there is such thing as too long. You're asking your fanbase to have the patience of a zen monk YET AGAIN, while asking them to trust you for yet another whole year to keep BOTH Cody and Roman (who is VERY quickly running out of opponents) interesting, it's just too much.
@@thegreenpianist7683 yeah I agree. I'm not saying that this idea is by any means a good idea or that they should do however I can see them wanting Roman to take Hogan's record and this idea is to me the only way they can do it that does the least damage to Cody although you could easily argue it instead damages 3 people with Cody losing momentum, fans even more fed up of Roman's reign, and having another wasted MITB and priest not getting a world title which honestly I think he deserves
Merry Christmas stay safe everyone ❤.
Punks return at survivor series still ranks up their for me, even with the amount of returns. Hell really did freeze over that night in Chicago.
top 3 spot on
Couldn’t agree more with #1! 🐐
Great vid guys. I really miss these types of videos. Miiss your reviews of all the weekly shows. Now it seems just a show of..."We've heard this wrestler farted in public. Need an exposé." Have a great day.
I had the exact same top 3 in that exact order.
My wrestler of the year is Gunther!!!
Would be nice if like the Ballon D'Or all the votes from people were made public, Luke seemed very hesitent to reveal someone's vote but what exactly is there to hide it's hardy someone's credit card details? 😂
It's cos people on the Internet will hate on them for anything. Seriously, you should read the comments on their news
@@muhammadHassan-kj1jy While I don't disagree there are far too many weirdos that can't handle an opinion nearly every channel, including WT, does best of lists all the time so how would this be different
@@jamescurrall9341 no reason to add unnecessary that to that person's day. The toxic fans is unfortunately par for the course when you do this job, but avoiding it whenever it's avoidable seems to be a good idea.
My favorite trio! ❤
Seth not being top 10 is wild on every account
His enterance is over but his "joker" gimmick was outright awful. Him ditching it to be a more serious edged champ as we have seen with Shin, Drew and Punk is exactly what he should have done a long time ago.
Seth is a great wrestler, is over with the crowd, and one of the top stars in the company, but...
He's not over with the smarky smarks so he will always be underrated
I am genuinely SHOCKED that Ilja didnt even make the top 15
Gunther is my. #1 and I don't quite think it's particularly close
Osprey is 2 in fairness. I just don't give osprey more points because he did well in every promotion vs Gunther being in 1 and still having 5 stars as often and arguably on a bigger stage.
GUNTHER is the only guy I've ever seen lose weight and somehow look bigger
I think it’s a very accurate list I think these are ten best wrestlers right now & it shows how great & healthy both WWE & AEW are right now half the list was WWE guys with Roman Jey Sami Cody & Gunther. While the other half was AEW guys like Cassidy Bryan Swerve MJF & Osprey. Only two things I’d charge is I’d rank Roman higher than Jey & Gunther higher than MJF I agree on Will being the best wrestler right now. Solid list shows how great & healthy the industry is. WWE & AEW being great means everyone wins
Roman sould be ranked lower. Only had a handful of matches this year and was carried by a lazy Bloodline storyline on repeat
Surprised no Omega on the list but also understand thought it was a fun list tho 👍
Will Ospreay and it isn't even close. Omega (x2), Jericho, Alexander, Bailey, Cardnoa, Marufuji, ZSJ, Shingo, Okada, Shota, Tsuji. The only ones he hadn't wrestled were any on the WWE roster of course, MJF, Danielson, Moxley and a few out with injuries.
Gunther > Ospreay 🤷🏻♂️
@@Nitemerican True
@@Nitemerican Maybe the best in WWE but unless he can do what he does in WWE across the globe, which mind you I think he can, you cannot put him the conversation IMHO. Also I cant think of a single MOTY for Gunther but Will has at least two.
@@imutau Gunther vs Sheamus and the triple threat between them and Drew are easily candidates. Depends on your wrestling preference.
@@Nitemerican fair.
God Olis take about cody losing again is unhinged. In pretty anti cody, man does nothing for me, but God if we're doing roman vs Rhodes again let him win so we can move on
OC could have easily been a few spots higher. Best reign of the year in my mind. Only Gunthers IC run is near it.
I love Will Ospreay. He is the most talented wrestler in the world right now (and possibly of all time) but 2023 was Gunther's year imo.
Iron Man rumble performance, broke IC record, had the best match of the WrestleMania weekend and has put on banging matches week in, week out on free TV.
I mean I was expecting Gunther but for me it's a tie between him and ilja dragunov
Great list and everything was spot on except i think Orange Cassidy should have been in the top 5. That title reign was amazing and he was consistently having amazing matches all year. Probably place him ahead of Cody, behind Danielson. All in all great list 💯
GUNTHER is my wrestler of the year
oli said “there is no way jey uso is a better wrestler than roman reigns in 2023” with so much confidence…. he literally is tho isn’t he?
Where's Rhea?!
I had Gunther, Osprey, and then Roman/Danielson
My personal top 10:
1. Roman Reigns
2. Cody Rhodes
3. Gunther
4. Rhea Ripley
5. Sami Zayn
6. Jey Uso
7. LA Knight
8. Becky Lynch
9. Ilja Dragunov
10. Dominik Mysterio
Honorable mention to MJF, his face run just has not been my thing sadly. I'll also give a honorable mention to Tiffany Stratton, what a year she's had for being so new to the business.
Edit: Forgot to give a honorable mention to Seth Rollins for being on fire too
I’m guessing based off your list, you only really consumed the wwe product this year
@qbincashion8058 I mean that's just what wrestletalk is.
Ilja and Carmelo Hayes not being on the list or not even barely out of the top 10 is a travesty
Putting Swerve because of what of what he’s done since September at 6 while Roman is a 10 because he hasn’t done much since August is insane. For context that means Swerve has had a better year because of his body of work in around a 3 month span over what Roman did at the Rumble, Elimination Chamber, Wrestlemania, MITB, Summerslam, and Crowned Jewel.
It's just pure recency bias. Roman's first half of the year was amazing and clears Swerve. I like Swerve but no way they rated him that highly.
Roman reigns has cooled down significantly this year, and Swerve has been catapulted into stardom. It’s downward trajectory versus upwards trajectory. Swerve is over as all hell. Think it makes a lot of sense they were put into their positions. Plus, Prince NaNa’s gotten him over too with his hilarious and stupid dancing. He just has so much more going for him than Reigns
@@XinwithanX That's recency bias lol. Of course Swerve is gonna have more going for him since Roman is barely on TV. Swerve has had a great couple of months but Roman's peaks earlier this year is considerably more significant than Swerve's peaks. Swerve has definitely in top 5 for AEW for me though.
@@stevenjoseph6048 being barely on tv is part of the criteria unfortunately, at least for me. Roman hasn’t has screen time to keep himself hot. Swerve is HOT, and has solidified himself as a Main Event player in one of the best matches of the decade against Page. Sorry, but i just think Swerve had a better year
@@XinwithanX I see what you’re saying but its best wrestler of the YEAR, and Roman has had a far better year than swerve. Let’s not forget about the road to wrestlemania and mania itself. Roman has made the biggest moments of the year while swerve did not much of anything for like nine months of the year
Rhea at 11 is a crime
Justice for Seth.
Gunther was my number 1 but MJF and osprey both been fantastic so I think that's a fair top 3
I really enjoyed the show. I just think that it's sad that Rhea isn't in the top 10 and Cassidy is. What a weird world. And Gunther should be number one every year.😁
I mean it makes sense to me. Rhea has only had one great match this year, and the Rumble. I can’t think of a single highlight she’s done since winning the title
@@LordBlakeWhitehouse I understand your point. However, it's not Rheas fault that she has no believable competition. WWE keeps throwing these opponents at her that are in no way believable contenders for her. But still, she is doing her hardest to make others look better. Her selling and facial reactions are amazing. She's believable as a heel badass. She's over as any top guy. She is awesome in every way possible. Just because her competition isn't as good as it should be, it's not her fault. And to think that Cassidy is having the same indy style goofball match where he kicks out of everything and nothing means anything. And Cassidy is in the top 10?
It's really sad.
Personally would had my top 3 as #1 Will Ospreay #2 Gunther #3 MJF but they are easily interchangable dont agree with Jey Uso being in the top 10 tho would of had Christian instead