Can We Put Our Faith In Pharmacists Above Doctors? | Good Morning Britain

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  • @richardrainmaker324
    @richardrainmaker324 Рік тому +84

    Let me give you all a first hand account as a pharmacist. Firstly, it takes 4 years at university to qualify with a pharmacy degree followed by a one year training programme and passing an exam to become a pharmacist. On top of this to become a prescribing pharmacist you need to have worked for 2 years in a clinical setting and then go back to university for 12 months to gain that qualification and so that is a 7 year process, so I hope this somewhat answers the qualifications question. Secondly, the new plans by the government sound good on paper but in practice I can tell you it only adds significantly more pressure on pharmacies which are already underfunded and overworked, trust me I’ve seen it from a GP perspective and a pharmacy perspective and can definitely say pharmacies are more overworked that a GP surgery is, just keeping up with the volume of prescriptions is difficult let alone ensuring the stock even comes in as many items are out of stock constantly. Contrary to many peoples belief it is not a matter of picking up a box from the shelf and bagging it. Without the extra man power such as an additional pharmacist on site that is available for these walk in services it becomes very difficult for the pharmacy to operate effectively and safely for patients, as always this all comes down to funding and without adequate funding this scheme will simply not enable patients to access pharmacy services in a timely fashion. The doctor raises the point about patients he consulted that thought they had a urine infection and it was kidney stones and cancer. It is highly likely although I can’t be certain this was not picked up first time round when they saw a doctor and were initially treated for a urine infection that then consequently didn’t improve which prompted further investigation. Unfortunately, this is how medicine works you work from the most to least likely cause. Thirdly, GP surgeries are privately run by the GP partners but have an NHS contract and so provide NHS services, this is the same way pharmacies run, they are privately run entities with an NHS contract. Additionally, they raised the issue of antimicrobial stewardship, i and all my colleagues have seen countless prescriptions for antibiotics that have been prescribed outside of the national and local guidelines, but trying to get through to speak to a doctor to query it is challenging particularly when patients are waiting for their antibiotics. Antimicrobial resistance doesn’t happen overnight it takes many years usually for the resistant strain to become more dominant and so this doctors point about worrying about antimicrobial resistance is slightly hypocritical when it is the overprescribing of the antibiotics by doctors that has led us to this position. I am all for community pharmacy playing a bigger role in the healthcare service but adequate funding needs to be in place for this to work, so far I am not convinced.

    • @christinefiedor3518
      @christinefiedor3518 Рік тому +5

      Great post Richard and I totally agree. I’m a retired paediatric and general registered nurse. Being paediatric trained we had medication policies and procedures drummed into us. Moving into general nursing the guidelines were comparatively lax but I never forgot my initial training.
      Before I retired I taught medication management to support workers working in both residual and home care. Some of the stories that came out in class were absolutely mind blowing with many ‘cocktails ‘not being reviewed regularly enough. No wonder big Pharma has obscene profits!
      More funding and more properly trained staffing is required as you guys are already overworked and under paid.

    • @CPDCT
      @CPDCT 5 місяців тому +2

      I refuse to do pharmacyfirst until better funding and support is in place. You are the RP. You will be brought in front of fitness to practice if anything goes wrong on your shift. Not worth the risk.

    • @daleturner2753
      @daleturner2753 4 місяці тому +1

      Well said - using an under-resourced pharmacy workforce to plug the hole caused by governments refusal to train enough doctors, pay them a decent wage and improve their working conditions is making the situation worse. As a pharmacist I am very close to leaving the profession.

  • @TheDIABETESandHEALTHYAGINGhub
    @TheDIABETESandHEALTHYAGINGhub Рік тому +16

    Im a Pharmacist with over 10 years of experience. I’ve worked in BOTH retail and clinical setting. We truly care about our patients and their health and wellbeing…and I have a great relationship with many PHYSICIANS 🙏

  • @daenerysstormborn9107
    @daenerysstormborn9107 Рік тому +39

    This private GP has a conflict with of interest because this new initiative will harm his bottom line

    • @obibraxton2232
      @obibraxton2232 Рік тому +2

      Exactly !

    • @jasereed5258
      @jasereed5258 Рік тому

      His what?

    • @003halmr
      @003halmr 19 днів тому

      No it wouldn't. GPs will be booked months in advanced still. Pharmacists are simply not qualified.

  • @jujutrini8412
    @jujutrini8412 Рік тому +19

    Who the heck goes to the Dr unless they absolutely have to with a sore throat? No one I know does. I would say it is a small minority of people that do that. Most people wait weeks and months if it’s something like that and excuse it as a cold or a virus until it really starts to worry them that it’s been going on far too long!

  • @DillonN
    @DillonN Рік тому +20

    Pharmacists should not be promoting this scheme. Not because they are incapable of providing consultations but because most likely this will result in an increase in workloads BUT NO INCREASE IN PAY! Locum rates have already dropped. I have never worked in a Pharmacy that is not busy. We're better off just sending them to the GP rather than taking on additional workload and stress

    • @CPDCT
      @CPDCT 5 місяців тому +3

      I refuse to do pharmacyfirst until better funding and support is in place. You are the RP. You will be brought in front of fitness to practice if anything goes wrong on your shift. Not worth the risk.

  • @davidgalbraith694
    @davidgalbraith694 Рік тому +10

    Sadly there not really such a thing as family doctor nowadays just a doctor that you may or may not get a phone call from if the receptionist decides it's important or not

  • @obibraxton2232
    @obibraxton2232 Рік тому +18

    05:35 I’m glad Suzanna pushed back on that many people cannot afford private GP’s 🤷🏾‍♂️
    And Ed balls is INSANE if he thinks the NHS isn’t broken because it’s BEEN broken !

  • @HashimNasser-tq8yu
    @HashimNasser-tq8yu 6 місяців тому +3

    As a pharmacist I sort of agree with the GP - so I always make sure I act within my own competence. If I feel I am out of my depth I'm referring back to the GP, simple as that. Minor ailments I can manage, anything more can be difficult.

  • @08aoc
    @08aoc Рік тому +41

    As usual Doctors are more concerned with losing out on the £120 consultation fee which people wouldn't need to pay if they can go to the pharmacist for free 😂

    • @trelon5
      @trelon5 7 місяців тому +2

      What fee are you talking about? You mean the £122 GP practices get per patient per year for UNLIMITED contact?

  • @sherimillman53
    @sherimillman53 8 місяців тому +5

    Who will be preparing the prescriptions if they are doing appointments?

  • @rybo1233
    @rybo1233 Рік тому +5

    That GP is ridiculous. He is not willing for pharmacists to take on more responsibility because it will affect his business and it will mean less money in. He has admitted he works as a private clinician who asks for £120 per consultation.

  • @sabrinaandhusband7791
    @sabrinaandhusband7791 Рік тому +11

    We don't have a choice 😂 pharmacists are available more than GPs for sure!

    • @McFlashh
      @McFlashh Рік тому

      You do. The last time I visited the doctor was years ago.

  • @rossswans
    @rossswans Рік тому +25

    As a pharmacist, we are more than qualified to have these conversations. It's very easy to say no to a patient. We often have just as much training in minor ailments as Drs.
    The audacity of ITV to bring a private Dr to talk about what ifs. It's in his benefit for the NHS to fail... Why not bring an NHS doctor?

    • @jasereed5258
      @jasereed5258 Рік тому

      Watered down healthcare 😂😂😂 what a joke your country is.

    • @sachacammock7711
      @sachacammock7711 Рік тому +3

      you've said it yourself - minor ailments. If you are effectively triaging the community, you're going to get more than just minor ailments. Will you be able to work within the limits of your competence? Hope you're indemnified.

    • @prp3231
      @prp3231 9 місяців тому

      Are you medically trained?

    • @003halmr
      @003halmr 19 днів тому

      You are not qualified. What an absolute joke.

  • @sandraoneill4431
    @sandraoneill4431 Рік тому +55

    The Pharmacist is a lot more qualified than a receptionist.

    • @happyruimi
      @happyruimi Рік тому +3

      🤣🤣😂

    • @thesc8842
      @thesc8842 Рік тому

      Disrespectful low life saying whatever

    • @prp3231
      @prp3231 9 місяців тому

      😂😂😂😂

    • @SanskritiS-ev4ql
      @SanskritiS-ev4ql 5 місяців тому

      How dumb of u to take the reference of a receptionist 😮

    • @sandraoneill4431
      @sandraoneill4431 5 місяців тому

      @@SanskritiS-ev4ql I’m not dumb I DON’T!

  • @CC-uc4gq
    @CC-uc4gq Рік тому +4

    Ms Govind loves pharmacy so much she re-trained as a solicitor, so I'm not sure why she has been chosen to represent the profession.

  • @anthonymartyn5590
    @anthonymartyn5590 Рік тому +15

    A few years ago my wife had a mark on her face,she went to the chemist and was given cream it did nothing and got bigger and darker, she went to a different chemist was told its a wart,a few months later she was at the doctors with something else and the doctor said let me look at your face,2 weeks later at hospital and 1 week later having it cut out and 3 months of treatment, she had skin cancer so I think the doctors is best,chemist for small things.

  • @Beautycomesoutofashes
    @Beautycomesoutofashes Рік тому +3

    Private isn’t an option for some people!

  • @christinefiedor3518
    @christinefiedor3518 Рік тому +5

    But there is a shortage of qualified pharmacists as well. They are great professionals. However they also are overworked. On top of that given the push to keep the elderly at home with care they are inundated with requests for their many medications to be dispensed in dosette (supposedly to lessen the risk of errors!)boxes that they are actually dispensed by the pharmacy assistants whose qualifications are not nearly as rigorous. . I used to teach medication management for support workers and the medications errors happening in that context is mind blowing. I think giving the already overworked pharmacy even more responsibility is putting everyone concerned on a slippery slope for disaster . Think about the potential for ligitation!

  • @craftyfox1
    @craftyfox1 Рік тому +1

    So, can I sue the pharmacist for negligence if I'm misdiagnosed with negative consequences?

    • @MrTelgaaly
      @MrTelgaaly Рік тому +1

      Just like you can sue the GP, yes.

  • @zenethara5883
    @zenethara5883 Рік тому +2

    Don't know your past medical history with illness or medication before

  • @mc-mc7qr
    @mc-mc7qr Рік тому +4

    Its a good idea, and i reckon it will work for some pharmacy's. But my local Lloyds pharmacy is one of the worst pharmacy's there is. They are always so busy, not enough staff massive cues, so i reckon this will not work for some pharmacy's.

  • @Med-lv9fq
    @Med-lv9fq Рік тому +1

    Well when they go to pharmacy unless it is a simple cold patients are asked to go to see GP anyway

  • @claudiafigueiredo4979
    @claudiafigueiredo4979 Рік тому

    We sometimes have ro wait 30 min for the medication let alone consult

  • @collier8931
    @collier8931 Рік тому +3

    Perhaps the GPs should work longer.

  • @philphil4914
    @philphil4914 Рік тому +5

    Answer yes , because pharmacists work very hard and GPS dont, GPS get funded during training, like bloody dentists, then when they qualify, the bastards go private.

    • @sakuragi5160
      @sakuragi5160 9 місяців тому +4

      The saddest thing is they charge you £100 to see a private doctor if not more... yet people don't complain for that...its OK to spend £100 on a doctor or dental consultation but when people go to a pharmacy and the pharmacist says £10 for amoxicillin it's too much... they expect it to be free.. this is the current problem with the UK. As a pharmacist prescriber if you charge £50 for prescribing a med it is seen as bad for a 10 min consultation.. but if a doctor charges you £100 for a 5 min phone consultation it's fine lol

  • @vishalrmehta
    @vishalrmehta Рік тому +4

    Are pharmacy trained to diagnose medical conditions

    • @jonahkchiesa9693
      @jonahkchiesa9693 Рік тому +2

      Yes

    • @rybo1233
      @rybo1233 Рік тому +1

      Yes they are

    • @greed9541
      @greed9541 8 місяців тому

      no

    • @daleturner2753
      @daleturner2753 7 місяців тому +2

      As a pharmacist with a prescribing qualification, I can tell you that we are not trained to diagnose (apart from minor ailments, which is what Pharmacy First does). Diagnosis is a complicated process which should be carried out by a doctor; a prescribing pharmacist can manage the prescribing for the condition once a diagnosis has been made.

    • @Rajesh-q6l4t
      @Rajesh-q6l4t 4 місяці тому

      Maybe I can consult my car mechanic for a medical diagnosis in that case. He is also NOT medically trained.

  • @catherinehanner284
    @catherinehanner284 Рік тому +1

    She says they can be seen by a pharmacist immediately. At the moment maybe, but as more people go to them for help they will soon be inundated and access to them will be limited.

    • @khuzram
      @khuzram Рік тому

      No doubt it you have more pharmacies than GP surgeries so shouldn't be that much of a problem

    • @tracygallagher4632
      @tracygallagher4632 Рік тому +1

      No. Pharmacies are already overstretched and scores are closing down. A pharmacist I know, who makes a fortune as a locum just told his son not to go into this profession as there won’t be jobs open. It’s heading for an out-sourced service - on-line ordering and posted meds. I doubt Uk pharmacists will have jobs.

  • @annuallyannual9444
    @annuallyannual9444 Рік тому +1

    For me physician and pharmacist doctors are important and needy same each no more, no less, physician can never treat thier patients with out prescription of medication (drugs), and those drugs are pharmacists are made. And they know exactly what are the substances all inside those drugs and what they are for... And also without physician you can't make surgery and other relating... That's why the two are completing each other and important same each other,!

  • @becky2235
    @becky2235 8 місяців тому

    Agree with the doctor 110%

  • @jennifermorris833
    @jennifermorris833 Рік тому +3

    I had a UTI and just used the antibiotics that had been prescribed for my cat that I had left over. They worked perfectly!

  • @drashmaria
    @drashmaria Рік тому +4

    Absolute caution is required before implementing this. I do not think pharmacists are fully clinically experienced to recognise symptoms diagnose or recognize differential and anything red flag ...as any of this will still require GP intervention and ongoing investigations.
    Pharmacy sector is working fine presently no need for further changes. This appalling experimentation on the needful public is cruel.
    Dr M

    • @rybo1233
      @rybo1233 Рік тому +1

      That is ridiculous. Pharmscists have been trained

  • @thomasprevarin8992
    @thomasprevarin8992 8 місяців тому

    Let’s keep saying the National Health Service is the most efficient in the world, that will save the glory of our Nation

  • @PhillRobinson
    @PhillRobinson 10 місяців тому

    Why don't we just ban the old from seeing a GP altogether? after all we are a burden.

  • @primemma1799
    @primemma1799 Рік тому +1

    8:33 Is she saying that this new plan will bring more investment into the pharmaceutical sector? If so, how?

    • @christinefiedor3518
      @christinefiedor3518 Рік тому

      Big pharma already makes obscene profits!

    • @gailcusden3607
      @gailcusden3607 8 місяців тому

      Because they are going to be paid to provide these services by the govt. They are not doing it just because they can.

  • @evangelix9251
    @evangelix9251 8 місяців тому

    terrible idea. ive worked with so many pharmacists who have limited knowledge and care very little about their job. no single healthcare professionals advice should be taken get a wide range of advice to be the most confident

  • @jazzchristineart
    @jazzchristineart Рік тому +8

    This doctor is really afrad of losing his passion by the people finding out they are not that important unless they get in a car accident.

  • @rrossouw100
    @rrossouw100 Рік тому +9

    The NHS doctors are seemingly like a bunch of bad car mechanics, just doing enough to get you back on the road, but not healthy again - this seems to be the cause of the majority of repeat visits. If you die it will be on someone elses watch and not their fault. Given the NHS's attitude to antibiotics, most of the problems seem to stem from under-prescribing/dosing, causing the bug to not get completely killed and now immune to that antibiotic. Then the patent has to go back for another round with incrementally stronger drugs - until nothing stronger is available. I fear pharmacists will not be able to make the call and prescribe suitable strength antibiotics from the get go.

    • @rossswans
      @rossswans Рік тому +2

      We use local guidelines to decide antibiotics. There won't be a call to make with antibiotic choice. It's a no brainer to do this.

    • @christinefiedor3518
      @christinefiedor3518 Рік тому

      @@rossswans and it’s over use including using high doses that has led to superbugs! Bacteria and other pathogens are very clever little blighters who can mutate in order to survive. What happens everything overcomes the antibiotics? What do people not get about this fact? A good doctor does not prescribe antibiotics for a virus as they don’t work!

  • @michaelkourtoubelides1684
    @michaelkourtoubelides1684 Рік тому

    A pharmacist can refer to a&e or a specialist GP like a GP does. At least pharmacists are more available.

    • @boobopish
      @boobopish Рік тому

      Until everyone starts to do it. Queues for days. 😂😂😂😂

  • @lislelisle5453
    @lislelisle5453 Рік тому

    I would trust my pharmacy too.

  • @hearmeoutbro
    @hearmeoutbro Рік тому

    No. Both work together to benefit from our sickness.

  • @Divinelove-pj4cs
    @Divinelove-pj4cs 5 місяців тому

    Clinical pharmacist know BNF more than anyone, that’s where all the doctors get their medicines prescribed from

  • @cheesepuff455
    @cheesepuff455 8 місяців тому

    Pharmacy First=Profits for private companies👍

  • @none-d8g
    @none-d8g 11 місяців тому +1

    A GP see you 5 min at most ! local doctor of pharmacy spends more time with patient .. plus it takes 4 years of pre requisite then apply for pharm D then another 4 years of training plus residency !! If you specialize 2 more years ! Average 8 to 12 years to become a Pharm D ., GP do not like the competition it cuts their bottom line

  • @CarolElliot-c4e
    @CarolElliot-c4e 8 місяців тому

    I agree with the doctor,it will not work.Our chemist is actually in the health centre where our doctors work & our chemist isn't qualified to analyse patient's illnesses.Our nearest chemist is 21miles away.

  • @azamjonquqonov9024
    @azamjonquqonov9024 Рік тому +1

    Good

  • @jasereed5258
    @jasereed5258 Рік тому

    2 weeks to get a GP appointment... pathetic.

  • @mudassirmalick6808
    @mudassirmalick6808 3 місяці тому

    How about thinking how the typical Pharmacist is supposed to do anything on top of their workload?
    Go and see your pharmacist
    Talk to your pharmacist
    It’s an absolute joke

  • @barrygriffiths4530
    @barrygriffiths4530 Рік тому

    Why not import witch doctors

  • @andrewg9093
    @andrewg9093 Рік тому +1

    😂😂😂😂

  • @mariarotaru2069
    @mariarotaru2069 Рік тому +2

    GPs are not public servants. Most are independent contractors. They run businesses. Where do you find these uninformed guests?

  • @Rajesh-q6l4t
    @Rajesh-q6l4t 4 місяці тому

    6th richest country in the world ❤ Bliss.

  • @juliuscaesar100-o3k
    @juliuscaesar100-o3k Рік тому +1

    The way I see it, they’ll soon ask to be allowed to perform surgeries. Scope creeping at its best.

    • @randomsheep1165
      @randomsheep1165 Рік тому +5

      That's idiotic. Pharmacists are more than qualified to carry out what is being discussed in this video

  • @djbarbergreen3388
    @djbarbergreen3388 Рік тому +3

    Im sorry but he tories have destroyed thr G.P service this sticking plaster hasn't worked and wont work ,because some pharmacies are corrupt and offer poor service, prior to the tory cuts, you phoned and got an appointment, 15 -20m consultation , got the prescription, processed it at the chemist , all good ....can anyone claim the current system is working? A big fat No..they think we will settle for some quick fix in the hands of unqualified people because of their failure...tories out !!! Save the NHS

    • @becky2235
      @becky2235 8 місяців тому

      I'm starting to believe the NHS is beyond saving

  • @sonnyvargeson9770
    @sonnyvargeson9770 Рік тому +2

    It's not above doctors tho, it's alongside doctors

  • @mikesmith8313
    @mikesmith8313 Рік тому +2

    Bloody arrogant doctor stops every Pharmacist initiative dead in their tracks😂.
    Then he tells her off by saying she'll take on the 8am morning rush for the doctors, mocking her skill.
    Its becoming something of a rival profession at this stage, but Doctors see no threat, but I've already made my money.😂🎉😅

    • @McFlashh
      @McFlashh Рік тому

      I wouldn't advise anyone to become a doctor for the money, you won't make much in that profession.

    • @mikesmith8313
      @mikesmith8313 Рік тому +2

      @@McFlashh This is about making my living as a Pharmacist, not a doctor, two different careers.
      I'm commenting on the condescending attitude the doctor has, but no matter, they are all like that. Can't wait to see the new apprentice ones😭😂

    • @McFlashh
      @McFlashh Рік тому

      @@mikesmith8313 Okay fair enough, yeah doctors nowadays aren’t of much help. They just want you out there as quick as possible, they work too many hours and don’t receive enough for it. And yeah there are now apprenticeships to become doctors, it’ll be a better route than the university route as they’d get paid while training. It’s funny to see the hatred between pharmacists and doctors, though😂

    • @sakuragi5160
      @sakuragi5160 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@McFlashh my friend did you just state you won't make much as a doctor? I'm a pharmacist myself and help run a pharmacy and let me tell you doctors make more and gps make upto 120k if not more a year with half the stress... like your local gp probs doesn't even see you if you go to them and says phone consultations only. Bro when I was a pre reg... a doctor was charging 60 per patient in the pharmacy I worked for consultations imagine he did 10 patients... but he was doing 20 patients that is £1200 in a day bro and you're saying doctors don't make enough. People go to pharmacies and complain about spending £10 for getting an antibiotic on a private prescription when they just spent 100 to see a dentist or a doctor

  • @PeterScarfe-i9k
    @PeterScarfe-i9k 8 місяців тому

    But thir not doctors or they would be one

  • @PeterScarfe-i9k
    @PeterScarfe-i9k 8 місяців тому

    How about lrt ambulance be fire men next she does not no what she's on about

  • @williamfortune755
    @williamfortune755 Рік тому

    What a condescending comment about taking lessons from Scotland 😡

  • @finianlacy8827
    @finianlacy8827 7 місяців тому

    Do people actually realisexwhybtuecnhs and young peoplexare in a terrible state !! Don't get a muslim woman to comment on it??

  • @JohnThomas-u2l
    @JohnThomas-u2l Рік тому +4

    I agree with the lady...she certainly NOSE what she's talking about! :P

    • @McFlashh
      @McFlashh Рік тому

      She must get paid a lot and can't spend a few thousand to get a nose job

  • @boobopish
    @boobopish Рік тому +2

    What could possibly go wrong? 🙄
    5 years later………… 🙄