Examining Halo 2's Battle For Earth

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2024

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  • @BenPlaysGames
    @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +8

    ✅ Subscribe: ua-cam.com/users/BenPlaysGames
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    One of those rare occasions where my views regarding a level changed radically while working on the video for it.

  • @adamreddick1349
    @adamreddick1349 Рік тому +143

    "Concentrate on the Wraiths, they're the biggest threat" -Cortana, ignoring those Jackal Snipers

    • @mcnastythegreat2305
      @mcnastythegreat2305 Рік тому +10

      And I took that personal.
      -Jackal Snipers

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +9

      She's technically not wrong though speaking literally - they are the biggest in terms of size. Not in threat though haha.

  • @TheFacelessStoryMaker
    @TheFacelessStoryMaker Рік тому +18

    Heroic is my favorite of Johnson's dialogue. "We didn't have any fancy schmancy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks and a rock for a whole platoon! And we had to SHARE the rock!"

  • @aaronklein177
    @aaronklein177 Рік тому +70

    I remember playing this as a kid in 2005, jumping onto the scarab absolutely blew my mind.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      Me too dude! Always so funny to me how basic it now seems compared to 3, as it was so incredible at the time.

    • @LostShipMate
      @LostShipMate Рік тому +1

      I remember falling off thew bridge by mistake on my first playthrough, and landing on the scarab. I thought I broke the game at first.

  • @JohnRTarkus
    @JohnRTarkus Рік тому +43

    I remember hearing in one of Bungie's Vidocs that they wasted far too much time making the E3 demo a reality & used it as a learning experience of what not to do going forward. Apparently it cost them precious dev time trying their hardest to impress.

    • @TehCakeIzALie1
      @TehCakeIzALie1 Рік тому +4

      A lesson they have clearly taken to heart; they didn't try to impress _at all_ with the latest Destiny 2 expansion.

    • @zeus28frenzy
      @zeus28frenzy Рік тому +1

      @@TehCakeIzALie1 Not since redwar

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому

      That makes sense, the demo was wildly ambitious and so far ahead of even Combat Evolved. At least we got all the gameplay improvements shown off, if not the level itself!

  • @cjschaff317
    @cjschaff317 Рік тому +26

    In 2005, I was definitely disappointed it wasn’t closer to the E3 reveal. But in hindsight still, what an amazing game.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      I definitely wasn't complaining as much at the time as I do nowadays.

    • @cjschaff317
      @cjschaff317 Рік тому

      @@BenPlaysGames oh, 1000%. Makes you wonder how the game would have been received if the E3 was what we got back in 2005.
      Would have made Halo 3 a hell of a lot harder to achieve a par expectation

  • @HelpIdkAGoodUser301
    @HelpIdkAGoodUser301 Рік тому +33

    Honestly the fight (the scarab fight, and also the fight where you save the marines in the building) would still be awesome, but a lot less cool if they removed the music. Music has a massive impact on halo, and every other game that uses it in general.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +7

      Completely agree dude - it's a section that is still fun to play through but is much more about the atmosphere in the present.

  • @mrratchet
    @mrratchet Рік тому +3

    8:52 - It was very much caused by technical limitations. The build shown in the demo was developed on an engine that made use of advanced graphics affects such as stencil shadows that, according to Halo 2 engineering lead Chris Butcher: "That entire graphics engine had to be thrown away, because you could never ship a game on the Xbox with it". From what Chris described, they went through months just trying to get something together for E3. If they had that much difficulty getting a demo going, I can't imagine how the game would have run on retail hardware without it.
    The whole demo was also heavily scripted, almost all encounters were completely scripted with a handful of it using true AI. 'Illusions' were used for other areas like dual wielding, which was in fact a single weapon instead of two individual weapons.
    343 Industries did demo it on a developer Xbox recently (the main difference being they have 128mb RAM instead of the retail 64mb) and it didn't seem so bad.

  • @David.Marquez
    @David.Marquez Рік тому +13

    Child me seeing a FREAKING SCARAB really was a core memory

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +4

      Likewise, I brought the see through green Xbox with Halo 2 at launch, was a massive deal!

  • @TheJohnmurphy516
    @TheJohnmurphy516 Рік тому +8

    the tunnel after the bridge was supposed to be a steal section. it was going to be flooded so chief could hide crouched in the water and ambush grunts like a crocodile.

    • @jarlwhiterun7478
      @jarlwhiterun7478 Рік тому

      A steal section?

    • @zzzxxc1
      @zzzxxc1 Рік тому

      @@jarlwhiterun7478 Stealth

    • @Kevin-uj4uu
      @Kevin-uj4uu Рік тому

      that would of been sick

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      That actually sounds awesome. Given what we saw in the TV show, we know Chief has the glutes for swimming.

    • @nickname2117
      @nickname2117 Рік тому

      There’s a workshop mod for halo 2 adds a lot of removed content I played it a little while ago that tunnel you’re in is underwater and has a hole in the roof with water flowing through it you can crouch under it like you said it’s pretty gnarly

  • @magic00squirrel
    @magic00squirrel Рік тому +15

    I played Halo 2 for the first time last summer but the scarab section still blew me away (pun intended). I think it’s the music that makes it feel more exhilarating than it actually is.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому

      Definitely! I wonder how many moments in the series would be affected if Marty and Michael's music wasn't there.

    • @flowerpower003
      @flowerpower003 Рік тому

      @@BenPlaysGamesYou can try it on the master chief collection, without music it’s a whole different experience

  • @ninja1man4u
    @ninja1man4u Рік тому +23

    Ben knows what the subscribers like

  • @blaketindle4703
    @blaketindle4703 Рік тому +2

    This level is one of my favorites in the entire franchise! I still remember being blown away by the ending, jumping onto that scarab! The scorpion tank bridge run is a great set piece as well!

  • @riffbw
    @riffbw 10 місяців тому +1

    This was the level my step brother and I spent the most time on. We absolutely loved the vehicle combat and spent even more hours going back to the Easter eggs hidden here.

  • @Spartanunit5
    @Spartanunit5 Рік тому +2

    I always play Outskirts and Metropolis back to back. They really complete each other.

  • @Ahartic
    @Ahartic 2 місяці тому

    i loved this segment as a kid. It felt like a futuristic take on the early war on terror.

  • @BaronLickilicky
    @BaronLickilicky Рік тому +2

    A Scarab-tacular video indeed! I personally love the initial bridge section and Sargent Johnon's epic lines. It's such a shame we never got anything more like the E3 trailer apart from the few brief moments in this level. It always bothers me that after you kill the enemies on the Scarab, the mission just ends. Even a button to press or something to shoot would've been nice! And then in the in the cutscene the Scarab is on fire - what did the Chief do!? I guess at least we were able to destroy the Scarabs ourself in Halo 3.

  • @ImperialDevastator
    @ImperialDevastator Рік тому +7

    Hey Ben, I know it’s been forever since I last commented but I haven’t missed a single video! I’ve actually been showing your videos to my girlfriend, and we now mostly watch on her account on the TV. Your videos have introduced her to the world of Halo in a way that I have never been able too, and now we both look forward to your uploads. Thank you for what you do and as always the content is superb.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +3

      This is super kind Devastator mate, thanks to both of you for all the support! Huge props to your girlfriend for watching with you, I can't get my fiancée to check them out for love nor money haha.

  • @Fyrehart97
    @Fyrehart97 Рік тому +1

    This right here is the best mission in Halo. Yes, it's that good. There's a tank section, CQC section, sniper section warthog section and you get a novel firefight on a mobile fortress. It's just fun.

  • @rm25088
    @rm25088 Рік тому +1

    I love this mission.. tip, you can drive the scorpion over the barrier where you took the wart hog. Makes killing all those enemies in that little section a lot easier. Great video Ben.

  • @blaketindle4703
    @blaketindle4703 Рік тому +1

    God I would LOVE to have a playable version of that Halo 2 E3 trailer!!!!

  • @Vaquilbreaker
    @Vaquilbreaker Рік тому +1

    Jumping on the scarab with the shotgun while the electric guitar theme kicks in is epic every time

  • @beeno3487
    @beeno3487 Рік тому +1

    It’s kinda crazy how I start halo 2 with outskirts. Every time without fail. And also skip the arbiter without fail straight to delta halo. Man I wish the bungie games were longer. …”we had 2 sticks, and a rock, and we had to share the rock!”

  • @nicos1097
    @nicos1097 Рік тому +2

    Man how I wish I could’ve played this back in the day

    • @awkwardpeepfan
      @awkwardpeepfan Рік тому +1

      It sure was quite an experience man. I was like seven or eight years old and honestly the entirety of the game blew my mind. Now that I'm older and have played through multiple times and watched the cutscenes. I now realize just how special it was to play this series from beginning to end. You honestly just had to be there.

  • @pchurch692
    @pchurch692 Рік тому +3

    Great video! Thanks for the content. I agree with some of the other comments that parts of this level wouldn't be half as good without the music inclusions and voice lines.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому

      Always a pleasure mate, hope all's well! And agree too, Outskirts is definitely the more engaging affair outside of the cinematic side of things.

  • @miniaturejayhawk8702
    @miniaturejayhawk8702 Рік тому +1

    "If god is love then you can call me cupid!"
    Man I love seargent johnson. Its like having a pastor on the battlefield. 🤦‍♂️😂

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому

      His scene with the elite at the end of CE on legendary is still one of the greatest scenes in the entire series I reckon.

    • @flowerpower003
      @flowerpower003 Рік тому

      @@BenPlaysGamesOh you mentioned the sniper jackal, that can smack to get his sniper but did you know there’s a human sniper the right of the jackal? Near a rock… If I recall correctly.

  • @K_End
    @K_End Рік тому +1

    i never had my own xbox but i got to play halo 2 at my friends house, we werent allowed to play the flood levels so we ended up playing this one a lot, i have very fond memories of running the bridge on co-op.

  • @TheRogueCommand
    @TheRogueCommand Рік тому

    "Fans are upset we didn't spend enough time on Earth."
    "Let me introduce you to our new idea: ODST,"

  • @justinnyugen7015
    @justinnyugen7015 Рік тому +1

    8:29 I'd love it if a modder could open up this closed off street to make a "U" shape that loops around the Tterab Industries building back to the Wraiths. Perhaps along this street we can finally have some of that Gauss Hog vs Shadow encounters shown at E3

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      I actually had a similar thought to this when playing it - area seems ripe for some action similar to the gameplay demo.

  • @maxhalo369gaming4
    @maxhalo369gaming4 Рік тому

    This is still my favourite Halo level of all time! The opening cutscene, the tank section, the Scarab, and closing out with my personal favourite cutscene in all of Halo.

  • @Loch_Ness_Lachster
    @Loch_Ness_Lachster Рік тому +3

    I don’t know if it’s just me, but I’m obsessed with scarabs, all of the different ones, I just wish I had a real one I could drive through the streets, oh god that would be sick!

  • @awkwardpeepfan
    @awkwardpeepfan Рік тому +1

    Fun little fact you can actually save the marine in the tank at 9:15

  • @sandman8920
    @sandman8920 Рік тому +4

    Are you hit marine? This level is amazing 🤩

  • @lincon_logs3939
    @lincon_logs3939 Рік тому

    There's a team working with 343 called the "digsite" to bring the E3 demo back to life, among other alpha/beta things, with some old recovered drives full of assets and whatnot from 2001 onwards.

  • @Cheerybelle
    @Cheerybelle 5 місяців тому

    Newcomer's perspective:
    Taking down a Scarab for the first time is a magical experience, even in .

  • @MisterYankou
    @MisterYankou Рік тому +1

    It's worth noting that in the original Xbox release of Halo 2, there were no loading screens so this entire city section was experienced as a long, unbroken sequence.

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Рік тому

      Cutsences did exist in the original xbox version of Halo 2, it's just that Halo 2 didn't use many mid-level cutsences, so having Earth City (Outskirts + Metropolis) would be VERY long without the small cutsence

    • @MisterYankou
      @MisterYankou Рік тому

      @@Kevaca right, and they used those cutscenes to disguise loading. I'm just saying there were no actual loading screens like we have now.

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Рік тому

      ​@@MisterYankou that is true, back then and especially now (some games now do indeed love to take alot of assets in and replace them when a cutsence plays)

  • @BeeDaWorker
    @BeeDaWorker Рік тому

    11:03 I played it for the first time last year and idc it was still awesome

  • @Ben-ik2bb
    @Ben-ik2bb Рік тому +3

    In the section at 6:26, I think perhaps the unfortunate aspect of having that jackal sniper and long range combat is that you're distracted from what I see as the point of that whole section. If you look to the right, you see the scarab walking through the area and if you're fast enough, you can see it clamber up and around the buildings in the area with the wraith. This idea solidifes the final set piece, since it gives you the sense that you're chasing the scarab, and provides the tension necessary for the ending to be as climactic as it is. That being said, you didn't point it out, and understandably so. Perhaps that's just poor level design, making you feel like you just have to clear out an area from enemies which detracts from what's happening ahead of you.

  • @jarlwhiterun7478
    @jarlwhiterun7478 Рік тому +2

    A top 5 UA-cam channel imo.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      Ha I wish! Thank you for the awesome words dude, they're greatly appreciated.

  • @HYDRAdude
    @HYDRAdude Рік тому +1

    I remember being so disappointed in the scarab fight the first time playing this level. Luckily, Halo 3 got it right.

  • @LostShipMate
    @LostShipMate Рік тому

    There is a playable version of the Halo 2 Demo kicking around on the internet. Apparently its barely playable, you have to follow a very set path to avoid crashing the game. So it may have been cut to avoid that issue, too many assets to run.

  • @dougsmith6262
    @dougsmith6262 Рік тому +1

    Why did they alter Miranda Key's look so much for the remastered edition? She was a completely different person.

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому +1

      I'm not a fan of her look in anniversary. They do a great job of most characters but she doesn't at all resemble her look in the original.

    • @dougsmith6262
      @dougsmith6262 Рік тому +1

      @Ben Plays Games I switch back to the OG cut scene when she's in it, lol. But seriously, everyone else is the same...except Miranda. Does not compute.

  • @Arkiarmor
    @Arkiarmor Рік тому

    Really gonna make a video about Metropolis without even mentioning the scarab gun or the giant soccer ball? Those are what make the level great!

  • @torb-no
    @torb-no Рік тому

    I think Halo 2 at times feels a bit unfinished, and no level feels more unfinished than this one. In particular I actually think the city section (the one that’s kinda like the E3 demo) is the very worst. It feels empty and quiet in a unfinished way, espescially the geometry.
    Sure, CE is also very simple and quiet at times, but there it *makes sense*. You’re stuck alone in this ring. This city feels… not like a city. Probably won’t be that many people because of the invasion, but there’s not even trace of people or life. It’s just so… devoid. I suppose Halo 2 itself on all parts of Delta Halo (the place, not the level) is also quiet, but there it feels less unfinished since it makes sense that it’s a devoid place. And the Covenant city? That actually does feel quite lived in I think!
    I agree the Scarab hasn’t aged well. I think it hasn’t aged well for simlar reasons I think a lot of the Half-Life series (as much as I like them) haven’t aged well. Set pieces just feel… cheap to me these days (maybe CoD made me cynical with their imo pretty bad use of it in some of their campaigns)..
    What I think ages much better is fundamental gameplay and sandbox (which Halo 2 very much does have!). This is also why the Scarab in Halo 3 is so much better, it doesn’t feel like a cheap set piece, it feels like a part of the sandbox (a giant part, granted, but still).
    Anyway, great video!

  • @ChairmanKam
    @ChairmanKam Рік тому

    2:10 Heroic is the best version.

  • @nickname2117
    @nickname2117 Рік тому

    Personally wish we got a little more of earth and maybe Miranda welding a nuke to the chief

  • @brandonmolovich2169
    @brandonmolovich2169 Рік тому

    Love the vids dawg but like this the same video from last week 🥺

  • @gabe1298
    @gabe1298 Рік тому +1

    Superb

  • @MrAlex10173
    @MrAlex10173 Рік тому

    Please do any research on the halo 2 development process. TLDR bungie wanted to do a LOT more.

  • @flyingdoggo9887
    @flyingdoggo9887 Рік тому +1

    nice vid, which are you going to do next?

    • @BenPlaysGames
      @BenPlaysGames  Рік тому

      For Halo? I have something special planned to celebrate three years on UA-cam, watch this space.

    • @flyingdoggo9887
      @flyingdoggo9887 Рік тому

      @@BenPlaysGames oh ok

  • @KOSMOS1701A
    @KOSMOS1701A Рік тому

    the only thing i didn't like is i felt the earth section of Halo 2 was too short, and wanted to really get to the Halo ring itself.

    • @ThePilleroflightning
      @ThePilleroflightning Рік тому

      Honestly I prefer being on the halo rings over earth. Which is why I found Halo 3 kinda boring in terms of set pieces. The installations are just so unique and fascinating to learn about. And the structures of the forerunners

  • @ryanwilliams5904
    @ryanwilliams5904 Рік тому

    There's a whole bunch of dev videos for Halo 2 talking about the e3 demo vs. finished product. Bungie just over developed on the demo to the point it would be impossible to finish the game on time on top of other issues they had.

    • @Kevaca
      @Kevaca Рік тому

      The biggest thing that coulda made halo 2 slower to come out wasn't the demo level ("Digsite", or possibly more accurately, Earth City] being worked so hard on and then being scrapped...
      It was the entire GRAPHIC engine and the 3rd chapter of Halo 2's oringallg 3 part story being scrapped

  • @KamikazeCarbine
    @KamikazeCarbine Рік тому

    I believe that the E3 demo was ai scripted rather than an in game event, since they wouldn't have been able to make the xbox at the time handle a mission like that

  • @johnnythompson3734
    @johnnythompson3734 Рік тому

    If god is love,then you can call me Cupid

  • @edux54
    @edux54 Рік тому +1

    my sacrificial comment to the almighty algorithm is presented

  • @ruidexu9541
    @ruidexu9541 Рік тому +1

    Oh I know what the ladies like

  • @e1ectricfee1
    @e1ectricfee1 Рік тому +3

    Another day! Another banger from Ben. Keep up the good work chap.

  • @treavy1
    @treavy1 Рік тому +1

    Oh I know what the ladies like