The funny thing is when the US talks about China's space project, it always makes it 'space race', actually China is not racing against any nations, China is just going in its own pace, step by step, to achieve its own goals. To collaborate with China in space projects and technologies, the US needs to put down the 'competition' or 'race' in their mind, otherwise it's gonna always be about 'national security' kinda stuff.
There's a bit more to it than that, though. China is an amazing country in so many respects, but it is one with serious human rights challenges from the perspective of Western cultural sensibilities, both in terms of its own citizens' welfare and those of other nations in regions the Chinese hegemony wishes to and feels destined to control. With no internal will to "improve" in these arenas, any incentives in that direction must be imposed externally with whatever leverage is available, both diplomatically and militarily. For obvious reasons, diplomacy is the weighted preference, but this requires a value coveted by the other party which you possess and they don't. Once given away, you no longer have that leverage, so it's not to be squandered, not given away lightly in exchange for mere promises devoid of action. IRT terms used to describe the current situation, this is not so much a race as it is a clash of two mutually exclusive visions of the future. The US currently has an advantage in technological innovation, a virtue not exactly nurtured by an honor culture in which avoiding the shame of possible failure prevails over entrepreneurial risk-taking (especially when bankruptcy of any new venture is actively and severely punished by the regime). What the Chinese do have which the West comparatively lacks is a very long time horizon in which they plan their future. Slow and steady has been a winning strategy. They are accomplishing milestones at a measured pace, slowly gaining ground while the US's human spaceflight goals have languished. Plans change from administration to administration, with no singular vision or the leadership to commit to one compelling enough to override default congressional mandates of job security for regional constituents (as seen with SLS/Constellation/Artemis, etc). Minus clear leadership and incentives, "business as usual" has prevailed, with only LEO for astronauts to aspire to. Apart from the revolution in reuseable launch systems we are living through, perhaps the best thing to happen to shake things up stateside would be a 'Sputnik-level threat", and what better country than China to provide it?
@@DrMackSplackem I agree. The US healthcare and welfare are the best in the world. The entire history of US hegemony has been peaceful. We never meddled in any war or take innocent lives. Our people are also the smartest in the world. 🥰
@@celxoirealyx we never meddled in any war or taken any innocent lives?! Are you honestly talking about the same USA? our healthcare system is also a joke! It's all about quantity over quality, driven by money hungry pharmaceutical companies. There ARE some programs that attempt to be helpful, but there's always some sort of corruption, even in them. I'm an American also BTW.
The phrase "昨日你对我爱答不理，今日我叫你高攀不起" can be translated as: "Yesterday, you ignored me and barely responded to my love; today, I am beyond your reach." It conveys a sense of turning the tables, where someone who was once overlooked has now achieved a position of unattainable success or prominence.
Yes I agree , but then again I beleive there is also a been there done that sort of attitude. Let's face it , there is really nothing out there we need. As far as furthering knowledge goes , I think money is better spent on things like Webb , which in my opinion has returned a treasure and continues to do so.
Right, the US wastes immense amount of money with little to show for it if it weren't for unicorn companies like SpaceX that are not representative of what most US spaceflight spending is centered on. The only results that the US got were under Kennedy, and Apollo had an even more immense budget associated with it. China is playing catch-up and it is doing so fast, for much less money.
It’s called that because even though their civilization has existed for eons, they remained undeveloped for the vast majority of it. Ya know, kinda like 90% of the African continent. Longevity doesn’t always translate to highly developed.
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Having an old civilisation isn't relevant to whether or not its a developing country. All developing nations are by definition civilisations, China is a developing country because of its average income rate. For which China has a large poverty rate.
Yes, most people overlook the times in history when China's civilization was more advanced than any country on Earth because of the hundred year humiliation
Exactly - the same goes for military spending: China spends 1/3rd as much for 4 times the military hardware hence is rapidly closing the gap with the US. Every US budget is plagued with massive grift and inefficiencies.
The United States can’t even play by internationals rules and laws here on earth , do you seriously expect the US to play by , if there’s one for space ?
@@Targe0 In fact, the United States doesn't even follow the rules of the Earth. It led the creation of the United Nations, but its ally, Israel, is going on a rampage to break the rules of the United Nations, and the United States has been condoning them.
@@Targe0historically it's been the USA war mongering killing innocent civilians and children...and now they are part of history forever as participating in Genocide and stealing land called Palestine
Correction: China could complete many programs at much lower prices not because of its cheap manpower (this was definitely true 20-30 years ago), not because of low safety standards (this was what the Soviet Union did), but because of THE most extensive industrial system in the world, which China has been building for decades. According to UNDP, the world's industries can be divided into 44 general categories, and China is the only country with them ALL. This allows China to significantly reduce its production and research costs by a great margin compared to its counterparts, mostly the US, not only in the form of economies of scale, but also with almost unlimited capability of resource integration and mass production power in literally EVERYTHING you can imagine in daily life, from low-end electronics to high-end industrial machinery. This is something small countries like Lithuania or Germany can never imagine and other large countries like the US did not choose to do, and this is exactly why the US hates China so much.
@@George-k6o9tCorruption? China is WORSE. It's just that there is virtually no transparency there, no freedom of the press, no freedom of speech, and extensive censorship. Their propagandists would be delighted to know you think otherwise. There is certainly no less greed there. IMHO people in the US seem to think that if we put ourselves down, that isn't nationalism. This is wrong. It's just masochistic nationalism--that is, getting off putting ourselves down instead of holding ourselves to be superior. But they're two sides of the same coin. China has a lot of problems with the quality and safety of construction/infrastructure projects, also.
Why is there the need to be worried? China's space ambition will be for the good of humanity and NOT for self serving dominance 🤷♂️ They're proud of what they've achieved but never boastful.
China goverment owned the companies. There is no private ownership in China. The goverment is always for self serving dominance and chinese can't control thier own goverment.
waste of huge amounts of resources. u can send 20 rovers who can operate for decades and do science OR 1 human for a day or two - for the same resources. its such a waste. moonrace was never really about science, but about politics and "FIRST!"
@@SirHefferlot581 I believe the USA has spent something like $22 trillion just on war since the early 2000's. And can you tell me what is a bigger waste of money please?
Not to mention it now is about resources and what comes with resources, war. We do have a no arms treaty in place to stop countries from weaponizing space but we will see how long that lasts. Russia already made weapons for space and well the documents on performance weren’t declassified. They did set up a base but possibly never sent people there. Or they did but they didn’t make it back home. Those documents weren’t declassified either.
I feel like the whole cost discrepancy argument lacks the context that us Americans are ravaged by the military industrial complex for our advanced technologies while China’s efforts are all in house, state owned for efficiency (achieved or not ) , not necessarily profit
Sec. 1340. (a) None of the funds made available by this division may be used for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or the Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement, or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company unless such activities are specifically authorized by a law enacted after the date of enactment of this division. (b) The limitation in subsection (a) shall also apply to any funds used to effectuate the hosting of official Chinese visitors at facilities belonging to or utilized by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.[1] - Public Law 112-55, SEC. 539
Western world that thinks that it has some sort of monopoly over science and technology and tries utmost to stop other nations from get ahead of it, is poised for a very rude awakening. US trying its utmost to keep China or any other non-white nation from developing & competing with it but the more US tries the sooner China develops because it makes them to be more self reliant and grow technologies at home and hence get better deeper understanding and get past USA.
@@poruatokin The west doesn't respect the given name. They can call it Taikonaut, but they need to mention that it's called yuhangyuan in China. They even call the CPC as CCP. That's why many people doesn't know the real one. Alternate nick names are fine as long as people know the real one too. It's as if they want to erase the original name.
@@yuugenr7549 Get a brain - Most of the world does not speak Chinese, so why should they use any form of Chinese pronunciation? No country follows any name that uses a different language - it doesn't happen between any other country and china is nothing special. You use what you want, we'll call it how we like.
15:01 US $73.2 billion, China $14.5 billion But China is so much more cost effective that we would need to know if those $14.5 billion buy you just as much or more than the US's space budget can buy in the USA and Europe, which are overpriced and over rated!
the same applies for India and China space budget, India with way less budget achieve the same stuffs with much lower cost but does it make india ahead of china
India should settle border disputes with its neighbors ASAP and stop cuddling upto Western ballsacks... India needs to have some dignity for ONCE! Millions of Indians were starved to death by Churchill during WWII to feed British troops in Europe! They forgot so quickly!
@@tluangasailo3663 India has tons of cheap laborers but does not have the supply chains or materials production or technology that are present in China... They'd have to import everything from China, which will just take away the savings in labor costs and make the whole operation more ineffective and costly! Let alone the quality of labor. Apple tried it and got burned.
The press tells you day and night about the starvation made by Mao. Forgetting totally the starvation made by the British empire that killed 100 million people in India and all over the world. All these Imperial wars made Britain very rich and the British people loving its Queen and King so much that they could afford to have unarmed city police man.
The other thing the Western media fail to mention is that China's population GREW significantly under Mao, which makes one think that the CIA has perhaps exaggerated some of these supposed death tolls. Of course it's not like them to lie ...
Yes, deaths by starvation actually went down under Mao as compared to the Qing dynasty and when the british empire was exploiting China. Mistakes were certainly made, but China is what it is today bc of the chinese working class, Mao and every other member of the cpc. Not having a profit motive be the center of everything makes things much more efficient.
China’s dominance in most fields is practically an inevitability, given the size of their population and access to resources. There will come a time when isolating them from shared western technologies simply becomes counterproductive and results in western self isolation. Given the West’s reliance on commerce, self isolation isn’t likely to last long.
Also picking up a fight for no good reason is not a good thing in the long term. USA is doing exactly that. China was banned from international space programme. But they didn't whined, but worked on it for themselves. Now they are the most advanced and resourceful in this field and no country can dictate what to do.
If your theory is right, india will dominant the world, not china. India not only have people more than china, western countries are not banning tech from india like that they did in china
@ You might be right. But I don’t think that India has China’s resources and historically India has not been very good at making the most of its home grown talent. Many of whom are held back by its cast system. But hopefully that can change, it’s a great nation.
A lingering problem NASA has yet resolved is whether the far side of the Moon is always dark or not. Nearly 25% of its budgets is spent on this one dilemma.
Apparently you do not understand orbital mechanics. The moon rotates on its axis once for each orbit of the Earth which is why we always see the same side. The side we can't see from earth is exposed to sunlight except when it is in the Earth's shadow. Why would NASA spend any money on this when it is common knowledge?
@@zsstuff6539 U should get in touch with the NASA chief, Mr. Bill Nelson. He was asked at the US Senate hearing on why China landed their probe on the far side of the Moon. And he said ..... Why don't U search up on what he told the Senate
You’re correct but this is true of the Soviet Union as well. While the US got top scientists like von Braun the Soviets got many scientists plus nearly all the engineers and nearly of the V2 and related hardware. US, Russian, Chinese, European, etc. all the show DNA of German rocketry. For example, Scott Manley has a good video and how the rocket engines on the Soyuz booster, which is still being used now, are extremely similar to the engines on the V2.
and where did you get your sources for that? they were recruited voluntaliry as the allies advance toward germany and were given amnesty for their work in the case that they were affilliated with you know who. besides both side does this, so does it even matter? as truman said, "this has to be done and was done."
Space exploration shouldn't be a competition but a cooperation. But humanity, ie their leadership, is too selfish to work together for the greater good of all of us.
That's right -- it will remain like that at the very least until we've established ourselves in space. A perspective shift is needed. And in the meanwhile, you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. And in that world, technological competition drives us to greater heights than cooperation.
@@skycloud4802 China is always open to cooperation. It has proposed exchanging moon samples with the US, but the US refused. According to US regulations, NASA cannot cooperate with Chinese entities. The US government has implemented lots of rules targeting China, such as 10043, which bans most PhD students and researchers from top Chinese universities in the STEM fields from receiving US visas. Before 2020, nearly half of the STEM PhD students in US universities were Chinese, but now top Chinese students prefer to stay in their own country. Additionally, China is the only country in the world with its own space station because Western countries like the United States prohibit Chinese nationals from entering their "international" space station.
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause When China leads: should cooperate. How hypocritical do you have to be?
I understand that history and competition often drive innovation, but we must question whether this path will lead us to the stars or result in our own destruction. It’s also a reminder of the unshakable evolutionary baggage we carry. Only time will reveal where this leads us. I remain optimistic but our current trajectory raises some concerns.
Originally Space was for everyone. Until US decided they want to dominate Space like how it has dominated the World. US thought stopping China participation would work, but China decided they have to go its own way to survive and stop being bullied by US.
Communism, covid, microplastics, ethnic cleansing, air pollution, rampant ip theft, involuntary organ harvesting, exploitation of poor nations through the belt and road initiative, human rights violations, disregard for international law, disregard for international Court rulings, continuous violation of the sovereignty of its weaker neighbors, cyber crime, constant interference in foreign elections, a steady stream of outwardly aimed propaganda, currency and global market manipulation....these are just a few things china has been involved in , in just the last 20 years. It is justifiable in every sense to distrust and dislike the cop. They have no defense.
Considering how advanced the Tiangong is, and how quickly China is advancing while NASA languishes in private contract deals, falling further and further behind schedule, I think the best outcome would definitely be for the US to provide its intel to China so that they can actually get the results we all want or maybe even need. On the other hand, it would be necessary for China to open up about their processes and results, which they may be reluctant to do. It certainly feels like national/governmental priorities are holding back the scientific advancement of all humanity in this regard.
It is the United States' legislation that prevents the cooperation between United States and China in the space tech & research. In 2013, the United States even refused to issue visas to Chinese aerospace experts to participate in the International Astronautical Congress held in the United States. To blame China is unwilling to cooperate is disingenuous and immoral.
The United States prohibits cooperation with China and imposes sanctions and blockades on China in all aspects of science and technology. When China achieves success, it must share it with the Americans. This approach is very American.
No, no, no, China's space technology is not as advanced as India's space technology. India should be allowed to publicly disclose its space technology and results😄
In February 2004, the leaders of China's National Defense Science and Industry Commission announced that China's lunar exploration program has entered the implementation stage and will be divided into three steps: "orbiting", "landing" and "returning". Orbiting: Within 3 years, a Chinese satellite will begin to orbit the moon, and the satellite will be named "Chang'e 1". Landing: Within 6 years, China's lunar rover will softly land on the moon and conduct patrol exploration. Returning: Before 2020, the robot developed by China will collect lunar soil samples back to Earth. At the same time（2004-2005）, other countries around the world are also gearing up. Japan plans to achieve manned lunar landing between 2020 and 2025 and establish a base on the moon in 2025; India plans to launch its first unmanned lunar landing spacecraft "Chandraya-1" in 2008. Nair, then chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO), once said that India's dream of landing on the moon is just around the corner and there are no technical obstacles.😆
Anyone who's read Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" knows that whoever controls the Moon is also capable of making a truly terrifying kinetic weapon even more destructive than the biggest nukes.
@@anzov1n For starters, the yield of the warhead you would need to vaporize an incoming house-sized chunk of Moon rock would be orders of magnitude larger than that of your typical anti-missile missile. It would _definitely_ alter the strategic equation.
@@damonroberts7372 In some ways it may be harder to intercept (in other ways potentially easier) a big extra-orbital object but, even currently, there is no reliable way to intercept ICBMs at scale. Introducing yet another way to deliver destruction is completely unnecessary and doesn't alter the strategic equation in a meaningful way. For a sci-fi concept its definitely plausible and interesting, no argument there.
@@anzov1n So you say. Deflecting a rogue rock from the asteroid belt is one thing (and even then we only have "proof of concept"). Deflecting one intentionally propelled from the lunar surface is quite another. I know that such a scenario is likely decades from being technically feasible... but let me be clear... I know what the PRC is doing right now in the Asia-Pacific, and in Antarctica, and I _do not_ trust their ambitions, down here on Earth, or in space. The US in particular would be foolish to dismiss the possibility.
One other thing that has caught my interest from CSA proposals is the _Shensuo_ programme, their "answer" to the Voyagers, apparently two probes set to explore the "nose" and "tail" of the heliosphere
"Let me kmow what you think" I thoroughly emjoy your ACTUAL middle of the road take. This and other episodes have been perfectly done. The exact opposite of propaganda, that weve sadly been accustomed to.
100% same. I was honestly expecting the typical kind of fearmongering about what the so-called "communist party" did or would do, so getting a straightforward, fact-focused reporting of the history and current events was really refreshing.
They do occasionally do those too! About a month ago a video on JAXA's SLIM Lunar mission, and some time earlier this year there was one about the ESA x JAXA Mercury mission BepiColombo. The thing is though, there isn't a whole lot else there to talk about. These space agencies operate at a much smaller scale, and mostly do smaller satellites for Earth observation or telescopes. JAXA did do a recent launch on the H3 rocket, but it was simply a military communications satellite. Even the first flight of the new Ariane 6 rocket feels a little bittersweet what with how outdated it feels right away compared to the Falcon 9 and soon New Glenn.
In this day and age, collaboration is the right way to go! Exploring and studying together is doing something that is great together for a change. It is really wonderful and beautiful together! Nobody can complain about it! Sharing happiness together is a big miracle!
The prospect of space and science uniting us - Chinese, American, European, Russian, Egyptian... is deeply enticing - as much as the prospect of space and science dividing us is appalling.
I don't think China is cutting corners, their Safety Record speaks for itself. Before JWST got to Langrangian earthwise, China had done the Lunar feat. What US needs to do is 'thrill' the audience and public, this is where Goodwill counts, show it's INCLUSIVE, else there's no Ante-
Collaboration, even outside of the political domain, is essential in the exploration of not only what we dint understand on our tiny blue planet but whats beyond. If we are to ever expand humanity it will need collaboration from all nations. Not just the US and China. Each nation brings its own unique ideas and perspectives and its own level of intellect and due diligence.
When we put science on the tops of all those rockets rather than bombs, its good for all of us. We are all humans first, we should seek to write our history among the stars rather than from wars.
That's an overstatement. The US has a ton of collaborations with most of the world. It's a shame we aren't collaborating with China but the CCP repeatedly showed that it uses collaboration to steal technology to a level that very few other countries do so we refused to work with them. (I am aware that countries steal tech from each other all the time but China's industrial espionage was at a level that was really unprecedented in modern times) We're seeing a new cold war forming between authoritarian governments and globalist/free trade countries and this space race is going to largely be between the two most powerful actors in both blocs. I do wish that it were practical for the US and China to work together on space exploration. China has a surprisingly good space program. (Along with the Indians, another country I wish we were doing more collaboration with)
Lol. That’s just Astrum’s spin on it. Which is weird, because it’s factually inaccurate. The U.S. collaborates scientifically with many nations, on earth, and in space. It just won’t be with China, because they’re thieves.
@@danheidel And they dont care and would do it every single time to our faces. Better to stop letting them steal everything and just put a china stamp on it like they always do. Which is why China will NEVER lead in space because they have to steal everything first and you cant be first if you rely on stealing the tech to keep up.
Like you mentioned, its difficult to find information about China's exploits in space, so this is very interesting indeed. With China's growing economic power and by far the biggest producer of STEM research I am sure there is a lot of interesting things they are doing. It's a real shame there isn't more collaboration around space.........just imagine pooling all the earths top minds to achieve an acceleration in space technology! Great episode.
I m Chinese and we are not competing with anyone, we are just working to achieve our goals. Our plan is to land our astronauts on the moon and build a permanent Moon Base (likely underground) with 3D printing technology with Moon Soil by 2030, or even 2028.
The China vs US space race means we're going to see some cool things in the coming years. But imagine how much faster and how much more epic those cool things would be if the US and China worked together as one to get humanity to the Stars.
The US budget for space includes profit for shareholders of various companies. China's efforts are operated by their government much more, eliminating so many middlemen. The actual product created by the US budget is not that much more than that of China.
@@yuranisbismelly2830 Which is why no alien has made contact with us. They have seen what we do to aliens and they don't want to end up locked up in some dingy dungeon, maybe in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, the Adelanto ICE Processing Center in California, the Aurora Detention Center in Colorado or the South Texas ICE Processing Centre or worse still, somewhere in a vivisection lab in Area 51. 👽👾
@ I’ve lived in a communist country. I’ve visited 2 communist countries. And more former communist countries. I’ve also read communist theory and liberal theory. I use to be conservative. How about you?
How in the heck was the US able to make a law without sending it thru congress?! I don't claim to know much about political affairs, but it sounds to me like the US is just a big bully! And BTW, I'm American. Idk if I'm proud to be one, especially considering all the messed up stuff I've heard over the years about our government. I feel like we ought to be trying to set an example of being open to collaborating with other countries for the greater good of all humanity. Competition between countries has cost our world more $ than anything & millions (or more) lives. We're all human, so I'll never understand why we feel the need to create enemies of other countries. Why can't we, instead, aim to make the world better for everyone?
Thank China for the space competition. So that at least a small portion of global military budget has been moved toward the advancement of humanity's future. Regardless of whether it is the USA, China, or any other nation that ultimately succeeds in space exploration, as humans, we are investing in the right thing by prioritizing such endeavors.
I adore your work, though why must the mic be so overly tuned through aperture? It means I must mute and read captions, or heavily reduce volume and listen with pain and effort :(
It would be nice to have a deeper dive in the the Chinese space programs. Many of these missions I wasn’t aware of but it sounds like they could be an awesome ally in the future. I’d love to hear your opinions on the Wolf Amendment, the Chinese starlink rival, and the science they plan to enact with their findings
And let's not forget China is the sole owner of their Space Station. While America is just a tenant of ISS among the five nations. MOON exploration is just the beginning.
in USA propaganda - China own space station is bigger than USA . basically USA owned just a corner off ISS and had to share toilet with other plus had to take command from the Russian captain.
the last couple of days we've lost interest of the Chino-American rivalry... pretty soon we'll completely turn our back and forget all about it... isolationism is becoming the new norm... kind of WGAF?
My thoughts exactly, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Sierra Space, NanoRacks, Axiom Space etc. etc. etc. China will never catch up with the American entrepreneurs!
@@jimdavis7589 Such denialism of reality. 𝘿𝙞𝙨𝙢𝙚𝙢𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙜 your own space agency to pave the way for 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩𝙨, that's objectively not something you should be proud of. How many of those companies landed on the Moon or Mars like the Chang'e and Tianwen programs did recently? The truth is the opposite: 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙜 your space administration is a stone in your shoe, a 𝙙𝙚𝙖𝙙 𝙬𝙚𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙣𝙚𝙘𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙞𝙯𝙚 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙩, you are already behind and not able to catch up.
I really enjoy your videos about other countries' space projects. I've heard that India is going out into space, too. I'd be interested in seeing a video on that.
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The funny thing is when the US talks about China's space project, it always makes it 'space race', actually China is not racing against any nations, China is just going in its own pace, step by step, to achieve its own goals. To collaborate with China in space projects and technologies, the US needs to put down the 'competition' or 'race' in their mind, otherwise it's gonna always be about 'national security' kinda stuff.
There's a bit more to it than that, though. China is an amazing country in so many respects, but it is one with serious human rights challenges from the perspective of Western cultural sensibilities, both in terms of its own citizens' welfare and those of other nations in regions the Chinese hegemony wishes to and feels destined to control. With no internal will to "improve" in these arenas, any incentives in that direction must be imposed externally with whatever leverage is available, both diplomatically and militarily. For obvious reasons, diplomacy is the weighted preference, but this requires a value coveted by the other party which you possess and they don't. Once given away, you no longer have that leverage, so it's not to be squandered, not given away lightly in exchange for mere promises devoid of action.
IRT terms used to describe the current situation, this is not so much a race as it is a clash of two mutually exclusive visions of the future. The US currently has an advantage in technological innovation, a virtue not exactly nurtured by an honor culture in which avoiding the shame of possible failure prevails over entrepreneurial risk-taking (especially when bankruptcy of any new venture is actively and severely punished by the regime).
What the Chinese do have which the West comparatively lacks is a very long time horizon in which they plan their future. Slow and steady has been a winning strategy. They are accomplishing milestones at a measured pace, slowly gaining ground while the US's human spaceflight goals have languished. Plans change from administration to administration, with no singular vision or the leadership to commit to one compelling enough to override default congressional mandates of job security for regional constituents (as seen with SLS/Constellation/Artemis, etc). Minus clear leadership and incentives, "business as usual" has prevailed, with only LEO for astronauts to aspire to.
Apart from the revolution in reuseable launch systems we are living through, perhaps the best thing to happen to shake things up stateside would be a 'Sputnik-level threat", and what better country than China to provide it?
@@DrMackSplackem I agree. The US healthcare and welfare are the best in the world. The entire history of US hegemony has been peaceful. We never meddled in any war or take innocent lives. Our people are also the smartest in the world. 🥰
That is just Americans think. As if the whole world is merely a reflection of their own greatness.
@@celxoirealyx we never meddled in any war or taken any innocent lives?!
Are you honestly talking about the same USA?
our healthcare system is also a joke! It's all about quantity over quality, driven by money hungry pharmaceutical companies.
There ARE some programs that attempt to be helpful, but there's always some sort of corruption, even in them.
I'm an American also BTW.
They don't even trust each other.
The phrase "昨日你对我爱答不理，今日我叫你高攀不起" can be translated as:
"Yesterday, you ignored me and barely responded to my love; today, I am beyond your reach."
It conveys a sense of turning the tables, where someone who was once overlooked has now achieved a position of unattainable success or prominence.
eh
I love chinese proverbs lol, one for every occasion.
so true,
Still ignoring you. This phrase is just a cope for the rejected.
@@AbuMohandes-p2c yes for US which begged china to get some lunar soil
U.S. space programs are plagued by political and public unwillingness to do hard things like Kennedy said in 1960's.
I would say it is more plagued by spending all of it's R&D money on weapons.
That's where the term enshitification comes from. Corporations are more worried about quarter performance than long term investment.
The big problem is overspending. SLS is a money eater, not a viable space transportation technology.
Yes I agree , but then again I beleive there is also a been there done that sort of attitude.
Let's face it , there is really nothing out there we need.
As far as furthering knowledge goes , I think money is better spent on things like Webb , which in my opinion has returned a treasure and continues to do so.
I agree with you!
gauging success by the amount of money spent instead of the results is the most american thing ever
I mean have China relanded rockets like the US/US companies have?
@@Alice-si8uz yes. they have. Recently
Right, the US wastes immense amount of money with little to show for it if it weren't for unicorn companies like SpaceX that are not representative of what most US spaceflight spending is centered on. The only results that the US got were under Kennedy, and Apollo had an even more immense budget associated with it. China is playing catch-up and it is doing so fast, for much less money.
@@MarWeyog name the rockets then.
ok, give me the list of chinese accomplishments in space (or really just technology in general) compared to the west. China is a fυcking shiτhole bro
you gotta love how China is called a "rising nation" when it had a mature civilization when europe was still mostly in the stone age.
Lol, many Westerners like to view the world and its history as if they only exist after the West had fully control of the rest.
It’s called that because even though their civilization has existed for eons, they remained undeveloped for the vast majority of it. Ya know, kinda like 90% of the African continent. Longevity doesn’t always translate to highly developed.
@@Yagetwhatyavoted4 Do you even know a bit of that civilization? Or you know it from CNN? Lol,oh wait, "ya"? Must be Channel 69.
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Having an old civilisation isn't relevant to whether or not its a developing country. All developing nations are by definition civilisations, China is a developing country because of its average income rate. For which China has a large poverty rate.
Yes, most people overlook the times in history when China's civilization was more advanced than any country on Earth because of the hundred year humiliation
Why is America worried?? Should other countries be worried if the US makes technological progress?
Sick mindset.
It's call racist.
it's the mindset they seem to flaunt , in all their wisdom... they are so desperate for "dominance"
Well said!
USA ftw, china is trash
Lousy biased Americans
China is ambitious and very enterprising. I feel so happy for them and wish and hope for the Chinese people every success. Very impressive progression
Chine is a communist dictatorship. Go live there and find out.
谢谢~
hello, wumao....go collect ur wumao.
Exactly - the same goes for military spending: China spends 1/3rd as much for 4 times the military hardware hence is rapidly closing the gap with the US. Every US budget is plagued with massive grift and inefficiencies.
@@donkeychan491 Tofu dreg is software, not hardware. If you look at it for too loong, it collapses.
The United States can’t even play by internationals rules and laws here on earth , do you seriously expect the US to play by , if there’s one for space ?
The United States are the rules. We live on planet America so get over it.
Historically, it has been the US that was setting those rules around space.
@@Targe0 In fact, the United States doesn't even follow the rules of the Earth. It led the creation of the United Nations, but its ally, Israel, is going on a rampage to break the rules of the United Nations, and the United States has been condoning them.
@@Targe0historically it's been the USA war mongering killing innocent civilians and children...and now they are part of history forever as participating in Genocide and stealing land called Palestine
Absolutely NOT !!!!!!!!!!°
Correction: China could complete many programs at much lower prices not because of its cheap manpower (this was definitely true 20-30 years ago), not because of low safety standards (this was what the Soviet Union did), but because of THE most extensive industrial system in the world, which China has been building for decades. According to UNDP, the world's industries can be divided into 44 general categories, and China is the only country with them ALL. This allows China to significantly reduce its production and research costs by a great margin compared to its counterparts, mostly the US, not only in the form of economies of scale, but also with almost unlimited capability of resource integration and mass production power in literally EVERYTHING you can imagine in daily life, from low-end electronics to high-end industrial machinery. This is something small countries like Lithuania or Germany can never imagine and other large countries like the US did not choose to do, and this is exactly why the US hates China so much.
Corruption and the unsatiable greed for profits within the U.S. system itself has also inflated the cost of production in the U.S.
Well said!
@@George-k6o9tCorruption? China is WORSE. It's just that there is virtually no transparency there, no freedom of the press, no freedom of speech, and extensive censorship. Their propagandists would be delighted to know you think otherwise. There is certainly no less greed there. IMHO people in the US seem to think that if we put ourselves down, that isn't nationalism. This is wrong. It's just masochistic nationalism--that is, getting off putting ourselves down instead of holding ourselves to be superior. But they're two sides of the same coin.
China has a lot of problems with the quality and safety of construction/infrastructure projects, also.
Unparralleled scales of economies...
没毛病，老铁666
Why is there the need to be worried?
China's space ambition will be for the good of humanity and NOT for self serving dominance 🤷♂️
They're proud of what they've achieved but never boastful.
Bad guy always worried!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bad guy always worried!🤣🤣🤣
China goverment owned the companies. There is no private ownership in China. The goverment is always for self serving dominance and chinese can't control thier own goverment.
Jesus man are you ignorant lol.
How do you know their goal is not domination?
China and the US being in a space race to the moon means we're gonna see some extremely cool stuff over the next decade.
Or doom. Who knows.
Space-based Organ harvesting is gonna be the boom market of the 2040s
waste of huge amounts of resources. u can send 20 rovers who can operate for decades and do science OR 1 human for a day or two - for the same resources. its such a waste. moonrace was never really about science, but about politics and "FIRST!"
@@SirHefferlot581 I believe the USA has spent something like $22 trillion just on war since the early 2000's. And can you tell me what is a bigger waste of money please?
Not to mention it now is about resources and what comes with resources, war. We do have a no arms treaty in place to stop countries from weaponizing space but we will see how long that lasts. Russia already made weapons for space and well the documents on performance weren’t declassified. They did set up a base but possibly never sent people there. Or they did but they didn’t make it back home. Those documents weren’t declassified either.
I feel like the whole cost discrepancy argument lacks the context that us Americans are ravaged by the military industrial complex for our advanced technologies while China’s efforts are all in house, state owned for efficiency (achieved or not ) , not necessarily profit
#15:44, "China will to sacrifice safe", are you serious? What does the 2 astranauts still in ISS think of it?
If it's Boing ... I ain't going ... 😅 That's what they're thinking.
Sec. 1340.
(a) None of the funds made available by this division may be used for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration or the Office of Science and Technology Policy to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement, or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company unless such activities are specifically authorized by a law enacted after the date of enactment of this division.
(b) The limitation in subsection (a) shall also apply to any funds used to effectuate the hosting of official Chinese visitors at facilities belonging to or utilized by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.[1]
- Public Law 112-55, SEC. 539
Suddenly?I am sorry, the chinese moon programme is going on for nearly 20 years , and the space ship programme even longer,
Western world that thinks that it has some sort of monopoly over science and technology and tries utmost to stop other nations from get ahead of it, is poised for a very rude awakening. US trying its utmost to keep China or any other non-white nation from developing & competing with it but the more US tries the sooner China develops because it makes them to be more self reliant and grow technologies at home and hence get better deeper understanding and get past USA.
20 years is a very short time in space technology, even when you are not starting from scratch.
@@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i If 20 years is still not enough for you to react, I can only say that your neural signal system chain must be quite long.
@@Bennycn Was the 20 years only for reacting? They have surpassed everyone else. You might need more supplements for your neural system.
it took them 20 years to rreach moon... with copying, stealing and spying on US space program... that abt right.
I have to update you guys. Chinese astronauts are called "Yuhangyuan" it means travellers of the universe. Taikonaut was the name given by the west.
Interesting, thanks!
In fact, it was created by an ethnic Chinese in South East Asia. Not really by the west.
And this video was made in the west, so what's your problem?
@@poruatokin The west doesn't respect the given name. They can call it Taikonaut, but they need to mention that it's called yuhangyuan in China. They even call the CPC as CCP. That's why many people doesn't know the real one. Alternate nick names are fine as long as people know the real one too. It's as if they want to erase the original name.
@@yuugenr7549 Get a brain - Most of the world does not speak Chinese, so why should they use any form of Chinese pronunciation?
No country follows any name that uses a different language - it doesn't happen between any other country and china is nothing special.
You use what you want, we'll call it how we like.
15:01 US $73.2 billion, China $14.5 billion
But China is so much more cost effective that we would need to know if those $14.5 billion buy you just as much or more than the US's space budget can buy in the USA and Europe, which are overpriced and over rated!
the same applies for India and China space budget, India with way less budget achieve the same stuffs with much lower cost but does it make india ahead of china
India should settle border disputes with its neighbors ASAP and stop cuddling upto Western ballsacks... India needs to have some dignity for ONCE! Millions of Indians were starved to death by Churchill during WWII to feed British troops in Europe! They forgot so quickly!
We have pockets to grease at every step
they use child slaves
@@tluangasailo3663 India has tons of cheap laborers but does not have the supply chains or materials production or technology that are present in China... They'd have to import everything from China, which will just take away the savings in labor costs and make the whole operation more ineffective and costly! Let alone the quality of labor. Apple tried it and got burned.
I'm glad you show us Chinese achievements in astro field
The press tells you day and night about the starvation made by Mao.
Forgetting totally the starvation made by the British empire that killed 100 million people in India and all over the world. All these Imperial wars made Britain very rich and the British people
loving its Queen and King so much
that they could afford to have unarmed city police man.
They are the blood thirsty Vampire Empire of King Charlie and his ancestors.
The other thing the Western media fail to mention is that China's population GREW significantly under Mao, which makes one think that the CIA has perhaps exaggerated some of these supposed death tolls. Of course it's not like them to lie ...
Yes, deaths by starvation actually went down under Mao as compared to the Qing dynasty and when the british empire was exploiting China. Mistakes were certainly made, but China is what it is today bc of the chinese working class, Mao and every other member of the cpc. Not having a profit motive be the center of everything makes things much more efficient.
@@artsymarxist True, but Mao was also a nationalist - as are the CCP. In that regard they are the complete opposite of the Western globalists.
@@donkeychan491 Agreed, though nationalism in socialist countries is quite different than nationalism in settler colonial countries like the US.
NASA afraid of China stealing technology? Soon NASA will be stealing Chinese technology. 😅
LOL
US has copied the Soviet space program to send people into space as well as build a space station.
Not really. Most Chinese stuff is not cutting edge, just derivative although well execued. Well behind in chip manufactture.
Why would NASA steal from China if everything China has is already stolen and known by NASA in the first place 🤣
@@rogerphelps9939 Keep thinking like this US will go far . lol
China’s dominance in most fields is practically an inevitability, given the size of their population and access to resources. There will come a time when isolating them from shared western technologies simply becomes counterproductive and results in western self isolation. Given the West’s reliance on commerce, self isolation isn’t likely to last long.
Also picking up a fight for no good reason is not a good thing in the long term.
USA is doing exactly that.
China was banned from international space programme.
But they didn't whined, but worked on it for themselves.
Now they are the most advanced and resourceful in this field and no country can dictate what to do.
If your theory is right, india will dominant the world, not china. India not only have people more than china, western countries are not banning tech from india like that they did in china
@ You might be right. But I don’t think that India has China’s resources and historically India has not been very good at making the most of its home grown talent. Many of whom are held back by its cast system. But hopefully that can change, it’s a great nation.
@@zlnno There is a reason that the West don't ban tech from India, because they don't think India can ever catch up. China is a different story.
@@zlnno East Asians are at the top of the IQ rankings, Japan, Korea, China. Indians rank last in IQ
This video proves the efforts made by Chinese people for technological progress!
中国从月球拿回了月土壤，美国祈求中国给他，中国说，你2011年制订了法律禁止和中国太空合作，打脸。😂
A lingering problem NASA has yet resolved is whether the far side of the Moon is always dark or not. Nearly 25% of its budgets is spent on this one dilemma.
Their workers are too old
Apparently you do not understand orbital mechanics. The moon rotates on its axis once for each orbit of the Earth which is why we always see the same side. The side we can't see from earth is exposed to sunlight except when it is in the Earth's shadow. Why would NASA spend any money on this when it is common knowledge?
@@zsstuff6539 U should get in touch with the NASA chief, Mr. Bill Nelson. He was asked at the US Senate hearing on why China landed their probe on the far side of the Moon. And he said ..... Why don't U search up on what he told the Senate
@@zsstuff6539 Pls get in touch with the NASA chief, Mr. Bill Nelson.
You're confusing NASA with Pink Floyd.
8:28 correction: The US would never took off to space without the need of GERMAN SCIENTIST they forced them to collab with the NASA
Those German scientists were praying to be captured by the Americans. The alternative was to go to Russia.
You’re correct but this is true of the Soviet Union as well. While the US got top scientists like von Braun the Soviets got many scientists plus nearly all the engineers and nearly of the V2 and related hardware. US, Russian, Chinese, European, etc. all the show DNA of German rocketry. For example, Scott Manley has a good video and how the rocket engines on the Soyuz booster, which is still being used now, are extremely similar to the engines on the V2.
Currently; Russian technology in spacex and other start up company rockets
Well, that German scientist only ever knew ANYthing because Gleepgloorp and HIS LITTLE GREEN MEN were lederhosen afficianados.
and where did you get your sources for that? they were recruited voluntaliry as the allies advance toward germany and were given amnesty for their work in the case that they were affilliated with you know who.
besides both side does this, so does it even matter? as truman said, "this has to be done and was done."
Really interested in understanding how China's "cutting corners" on safety. China's space launches seems very successful from my recollection.
Step one: only report succeses.
@@thekaxmax Do you have the link to their failure .
作为太空探索的后来者，自然会学习到美苏太空开拓者的很多经验，过于激进，或者进入太空竞赛，会带来灾难，我们是比较保守的。20年前我们第一个宇航员进入太空
@@thekaxmax Report? China broadcasts every space launch live on television and in the media. BBC journalists can watch rocket launches live.
@@thekaxmax step 2: everything is a conspiracy
Space exploration shouldn't be a competition but a cooperation. But humanity, ie their leadership, is too selfish to work together for the greater good of all of us.
There should be a global space agency where every nation puts money and tech into the project for the benefit of all
That's right -- it will remain like that at the very least until we've established ourselves in space. A perspective shift is needed.
And in the meanwhile, you have to deal with the world as it is, not as you'd like it to be. And in that world, technological competition drives us to greater heights than cooperation.
Starting from US banning China from the International Space Station?
@@skycloud4802 China is always open to cooperation. It has proposed exchanging moon samples with the US, but the US refused. According to US regulations, NASA cannot cooperate with Chinese entities. The US government has implemented lots of rules targeting China, such as 10043, which bans most PhD students and researchers from top Chinese universities in the STEM fields from receiving US visas. Before 2020, nearly half of the STEM PhD students in US universities were Chinese, but now top Chinese students prefer to stay in their own country. Additionally, China is the only country in the world with its own space station because Western countries like the United States prohibit Chinese nationals from entering their "international" space station.
When China lags behind: banned from the International Space Station; Wolf Clause
When China leads: should cooperate.
How hypocritical do you have to be?
I would have been so nice to see this as humanity (as a whole) making it's first steps into space colonization rather than a rivalry.
That is a dream I have. That we can all become one people and explore instead of fighting each other to explore.
Rivarly and conflict has always been the prime motivation.
If we could do that we wouldn’t have destroyed our planet to begin with 😅
Competition is the true path to innovation and results.
I understand that history and competition often drive innovation, but we must question whether this path will lead us to the stars or result in our own destruction. It’s also a reminder of the unshakable evolutionary baggage we carry. Only time will reveal where this leads us. I remain optimistic but our current trajectory raises some concerns.
Originally Space was for everyone. Until US decided they want to dominate Space like how it has dominated the World. US thought stopping China participation would work, but China decided they have to go its own way to survive and stop being bullied by US.
ccp are delusional...just like you here.
我命由我不由天，更何况美国还不是天
@ 問題出在： 天太遠，美國太近.
US law bans NASA from working with Chinese colleagues, there's no such law in China.
''International'' space station😅
it's a Russian space station with other occupant , one of them is usa
If we can not find unity on the ground, we don't yet deserve the stars
going to the stars will give us a common goal and maybe more unity?
Thank you for not hyper-politicizing China in a Sinophobic way. The universe loaned us our earth and it will take it back.
Communism, covid, microplastics, ethnic cleansing, air pollution, rampant ip theft, involuntary organ harvesting, exploitation of poor nations through the belt and road initiative, human rights violations, disregard for international law, disregard for international Court rulings, continuous violation of the sovereignty of its weaker neighbors, cyber crime, constant interference in foreign elections, a steady stream of outwardly aimed propaganda, currency and global market manipulation....these are just a few things china has been involved in , in just the last 20 years. It is justifiable in every sense to distrust and dislike the cop. They have no defense.
I have to ask, given the time frames covered, what do you consider anti-SEA? Or more about anti-west Taiwan?
Hey if you've seen how crazy things are getting on Earth, you'd be very interested in the Moon too
They are the ones making things crazy here....
@seditt who?
Considering how advanced the Tiangong is, and how quickly China is advancing while NASA languishes in private contract deals, falling further and further behind schedule, I think the best outcome would definitely be for the US to provide its intel to China so that they can actually get the results we all want or maybe even need. On the other hand, it would be necessary for China to open up about their processes and results, which they may be reluctant to do. It certainly feels like national/governmental priorities are holding back the scientific advancement of all humanity in this regard.
It is the United States' legislation that prevents the cooperation between United States and China in the space tech & research. In 2013, the United States even refused to issue visas to Chinese aerospace experts to participate in the International Astronautical Congress held in the United States. To blame China is unwilling to cooperate is disingenuous and immoral.
The United States prohibits cooperation with China and imposes sanctions and blockades on China in all aspects of science and technology. When China achieves success, it must share it with the Americans. This approach is very American.
No, no, no, China's space technology is not as advanced as India's space technology. India should be allowed to publicly disclose its space technology and results😄
we need to start being able trust each other
mere human can do not have the ability to cooperate with God, USA is the god
Trusting a thief will make you poor.
@@alaskanight940you are right there. The thief is USA
"particularly cutting corner on safety", I took the line to compliment on Boeing 😂
In February 2004, the leaders of China's National Defense Science and Industry Commission announced that China's lunar exploration program has entered the implementation stage and will be divided into three steps: "orbiting", "landing" and "returning".
Orbiting: Within 3 years, a Chinese satellite will begin to orbit the moon, and the satellite will be named "Chang'e 1".
Landing: Within 6 years, China's lunar rover will softly land on the moon and conduct patrol exploration.
Returning: Before 2020, the robot developed by China will collect lunar soil samples back to Earth.
At the same time（2004-2005）, other countries around the world are also gearing up. Japan plans to achieve manned lunar landing between 2020 and 2025 and establish a base on the moon in 2025; India plans to launch its first unmanned lunar landing spacecraft "Chandraya-1" in 2008. Nair, then chairman of the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO), once said that India's dream of landing on the moon is just around the corner and there are no technical obstacles.😆
People desperately need to underestimate china, at least it seems like it.
U.S politicians: complaint about china in space
also US politicians: refuses to get serious about space
Anyone who's read Heinlein's "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" knows that whoever controls the Moon is also capable of making a truly terrifying kinetic weapon even more destructive than the biggest nukes.
True. But I think Ben Bova's Moonwar is a more realistic scenario.
Because nukes are somehow lacking in terrifying destructive power? These kinetic weapons would add little to the overall strategic equation.
@@anzov1n For starters, the yield of the warhead you would need to vaporize an incoming house-sized chunk of Moon rock would be orders of magnitude larger than that of your typical anti-missile missile. It would _definitely_ alter the strategic equation.
@@damonroberts7372 In some ways it may be harder to intercept (in other ways potentially easier) a big extra-orbital object but, even currently, there is no reliable way to intercept ICBMs at scale. Introducing yet another way to deliver destruction is completely unnecessary and doesn't alter the strategic equation in a meaningful way.
For a sci-fi concept its definitely plausible and interesting, no argument there.
@@anzov1n So you say. Deflecting a rogue rock from the asteroid belt is one thing (and even then we only have "proof of concept"). Deflecting one intentionally propelled from the lunar surface is quite another. I know that such a scenario is likely decades from being technically feasible... but let me be clear... I know what the PRC is doing right now in the Asia-Pacific, and in Antarctica, and I _do not_ trust their ambitions, down here on Earth, or in space. The US in particular would be foolish to dismiss the possibility.
One other thing that has caught my interest from CSA proposals is the _Shensuo_ programme, their "answer" to the Voyagers, apparently two probes set to explore the "nose" and "tail" of the heliosphere
"Let me kmow what you think"
I thoroughly emjoy your ACTUAL middle of the road take.
This and other episodes have been perfectly done. The exact opposite of propaganda, that weve sadly been accustomed to.
100% same. I was honestly expecting the typical kind of fearmongering about what the so-called "communist party" did or would do, so getting a straightforward, fact-focused reporting of the history and current events was really refreshing.
Disagree, the video commentary oozes with pro China perspective
I think so too@@robadubbdubb
@@robadubbdubb how so? Can you give specific details?
@nicolethomas7443 how so? I'd really enjoy speaking with you about it
I loved this! I wanna know what every country is doing in the world of astronomy and cosmology. In the end, we're all on this blue marble together ❤
Some are busy. Getting more wives, others are busy oppressing themselves
I like it. I would love to hear more about the Europe and other groups/nations who are doing space stuff.
They do occasionally do those too! About a month ago a video on JAXA's SLIM Lunar mission, and some time earlier this year there was one about the ESA x JAXA Mercury mission BepiColombo.
The thing is though, there isn't a whole lot else there to talk about. These space agencies operate at a much smaller scale, and mostly do smaller satellites for Earth observation or telescopes. JAXA did do a recent launch on the H3 rocket, but it was simply a military communications satellite. Even the first flight of the new Ariane 6 rocket feels a little bittersweet what with how outdated it feels right away compared to the Falcon 9 and soon New Glenn.
Forgot an important then:::: China was the world's second poorest country
Thanks, I've been wanting to see this kind of information for a while.
In this day and age, collaboration is the right way to go! Exploring and studying together is doing something that is great together for a change. It is really wonderful and beautiful together! Nobody can complain about it! Sharing happiness together is a big miracle!
not many scientist in the comment section
too many commentists in the science section
@@SirHefferlot581lol
Well according to the information we have, China will surpass everyone in space tech like they have surpassed others.
科学家都很忙的 这只有吃瓜群众和人权喷子
Seems like a jungle here, with the dominant species being trolls.
The prospect of space and science uniting us - Chinese, American, European, Russian, Egyptian... is deeply enticing - as much as the prospect of space and science dividing us is appalling.
haha.....The Egyptians have not completed any global projects for 3000 years, freind.
However, Americans cannot show their heroism without setting up a big villain.
美国不会让任何盟友独立掌握太空技术，因为宇宙是美国人的，任何试图发展这一技术的国家都是对美国的敌对行为。
why do u put egypt, egypt no nothing about space project
I don't think China is cutting corners, their Safety Record speaks for itself. Before JWST got to Langrangian earthwise, China had done the Lunar feat. What US needs to do is 'thrill' the audience and public, this is where Goodwill counts, show it's INCLUSIVE, else there's no Ante-
Excellent report. Thank you!
Collaboration, even outside of the political domain, is essential in the exploration of not only what we dint understand on our tiny blue planet but whats beyond. If we are to ever expand humanity it will need collaboration from all nations. Not just the US and China. Each nation brings its own unique ideas and perspectives and its own level of intellect and due diligence.
"Aught the US find ways to collaborate with China..."? One word. Yes.
The Wolf Act prohibits any space cooperation between the United States and China
That feeling when a new astrum video drops😊
That feeling when knee surgery tomorrow😏
Wrong emoji.
😊 ✅
😏 ❌
@@Markaras let me fix that real quick
yt really removed my knee surgery comment
@@Enteropy23 YT will censor all sorts of harmless comments.
Go China Go! Go China Go!
Thank you for providing this overview.
When we put science on the tops of all those rockets rather than bombs, its good for all of us. We are all humans first, we should seek to write our history among the stars rather than from wars.
Let the China paranoia continue…
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
@@Mr.johninjaxLol. The very definition.
@@Mr.johninjax oh nooooo, they in your backyard next week
@@Broodjemetbeleg Nah those are Haitians ahahahaha
@@Mr.johninjax they have gone USA Too
It is interesting to see the US choose to isolate itself while China proposed collaboration
China proposes collabs on almost everything, only to steal tech and info..
That's an overstatement. The US has a ton of collaborations with most of the world. It's a shame we aren't collaborating with China but the CCP repeatedly showed that it uses collaboration to steal technology to a level that very few other countries do so we refused to work with them. (I am aware that countries steal tech from each other all the time but China's industrial espionage was at a level that was really unprecedented in modern times)
We're seeing a new cold war forming between authoritarian governments and globalist/free trade countries and this space race is going to largely be between the two most powerful actors in both blocs.
I do wish that it were practical for the US and China to work together on space exploration. China has a surprisingly good space program. (Along with the Indians, another country I wish we were doing more collaboration with)
@@danheidel MAGA😁
Lol. That’s just Astrum’s spin on it. Which is weird, because it’s factually inaccurate. The U.S. collaborates scientifically with many nations, on earth, and in space. It just won’t be with China, because they’re thieves.
@@danheidel And they dont care and would do it every single time to our faces. Better to stop letting them steal everything and just put a china stamp on it like they always do. Which is why China will NEVER lead in space because they have to steal everything first and you cant be first if you rely on stealing the tech to keep up.
"the dominant space power" he said since when? last time i check, the russian was always ahead in space tech.
Like you mentioned, its difficult to find information about China's exploits in space, so this is very interesting indeed. With China's growing economic power and by far the biggest producer of STEM research I am sure there is a lot of interesting things they are doing. It's a real shame there isn't more collaboration around space.........just imagine pooling all the earths top minds to achieve an acceleration in space technology! Great episode.
I m Chinese and we are not competing with anyone, we are just working to achieve our goals. Our plan is to land our astronauts on the moon and build a permanent Moon Base (likely underground) with 3D printing technology with Moon Soil by 2030, or even 2028.
Doubt that the Chinese think to be in a space race.
Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth
IRL
The China vs US space race means we're going to see some cool things in the coming years. But imagine how much faster and how much more epic those cool things would be if the US and China worked together as one to get humanity to the Stars.
Judging from the current situation, it may only exist in a dream.
What we, as a species, could achieve if every country would set aside their pathetic childish rules and act as one is unbelievable
Every American documentary about Chinese space program has to bring up cultural revolution and spend a few minutes on it 😂
yes their propaganda continues
"Red Moon" (2018 Orbit), by Kim Stanley Robinson, is a good novel that explores the politics of establishing bases on the moon.
The US budget for space includes profit for shareholders of various companies. China's efforts are operated by their government much more, eliminating so many middlemen. The actual product created by the US budget is not that much more than that of China.
Or the 2020 movie Space Force
A Chinese restaurant for the aliens lol
Those aliens won't find it funny after all the humans has hatred towards each other they'd be disgust
@@yuranisbismelly2830 Which is why no alien has made contact with us. They have seen what we do to aliens and they don't want to end up locked up in some dingy dungeon, maybe in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, the Adelanto ICE Processing Center in California, the Aurora Detention Center in Colorado or the South Texas ICE Processing Centre or worse still, somewhere in a vivisection lab in Area 51. 👽👾
Thankyou, thats the most ive ever heard about chinas space involvement.
Thank you Astrum crew!
ASTEROID MINEING NEXT ??
I used to be anti-communist too. Now it’s just a cheap excuse for our own failures and dirty ways.
You clearly know NOTHING of communism.
@ I’ve lived in a communist country. I’ve visited 2 communist countries. And more former communist countries. I’ve also read communist theory and liberal theory. I use to be conservative. How about you?
They hope to find the blueprints for Apollo.
The US Space Force gets more money than NASA. That would be an interesting subject, if there is any information in the public domain.
This. I don’t think most Americans know this.
Literally a new made up Branch of the US military already has a bigger budget then NASA...damn thats sad.
Very well done. Thank you.
Putting resources into the space program is a wise choice to benefit the people of the world
并不会造福世界，只会造福一小部分国家，没有掌握太空技术的国家只能试验性的开采外太空资源，太空竞赛是对未来国家生存空间进行的投资😢假如你相信了美国的宣传，太空属于全人类那你和你的国家就注定失败了
the USSR was the first to land rovers on Mars, but they were inoperable. so that would make China the third country to land rovers on Mars.
Come on. The Russian effort was satic and they have been going backwards ever since. The US landed rovers on Mars almost 30 years ago,
@@rogerphelps9939yup!30yrs later youass can't even bring back the astronauts from the space station
How in the heck was the US able to make a law without sending it thru congress?!
I don't claim to know much about political affairs, but it sounds to me like the US is just a big bully! And BTW, I'm American. Idk if I'm proud to be one, especially considering all the messed up stuff I've heard over the years about our government.
I feel like we ought to be trying to set an example of being open to collaborating with other countries for the greater good of all humanity. Competition between countries has cost our world more $ than anything & millions (or more) lives. We're all human, so I'll never understand why we feel the need to create enemies of other countries. Why can't we, instead, aim to make the world better for everyone?
For a country build on roboting and killing in the past and endless wars today. They deserve to lead the world forever? Jinkx
I love that everyone just agrees we name space stuff after mythology across all languages .
Loved your video from the tv show Space Force
Misleading click bait. So what does China want on the moon? After the entire vid I still don't know the answer to that question.
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美国人羡慕忌妒恨从不掩饰，美国人爱说什么说什么，爱想啥想啥，中国人只做自己的事。😂 中国人很自豪自己取得的成绩，欧美越是害怕越是酸，越说明中国做的越正确也越好❤
Humanity should come before country
US should leave middle east along
Thank China for the space competition. So that at least a small portion of global military budget has been moved toward the advancement of humanity's future. Regardless of whether it is the USA, China, or any other nation that ultimately succeeds in space exploration, as humans, we are investing in the right thing by prioritizing such endeavors.
I adore your work, though why must the mic be so overly tuned through aperture? It means I must mute and read captions, or heavily reduce volume and listen with pain and effort :(
I wish every success to China space endeavours and all the others in the world. They are hopefully doing it for the humanity🙏
Here we go with another CIA lesson about the history of China 😂
China has an orbital station, they could launch fuel tanks and assemble another vessel in 3-5 launches to get to mars without budgetary constraints.
Really? Cloud cuckoo land.
it should be a joint effort by all countries
It would be nice to have a deeper dive in the the Chinese space programs. Many of these missions I wasn’t aware of but it sounds like they could be an awesome ally in the future. I’d love to hear your opinions on the Wolf Amendment, the Chinese starlink rival, and the science they plan to enact with their findings
And let's not forget China is the sole owner of their Space Station. While America is just a tenant of ISS among the five nations. MOON exploration is just the beginning.
Don't be daft. 90% of the ISS is US origin.
in USA propaganda - China own space station is bigger than USA . basically USA owned just a corner off ISS and had to share toilet with other plus had to take command from the Russian captain.
@@Richardbsl-z1kUS contributes 8 modules to ISS, but entire China space station is 3 modules
Soooo.... A full video on how good and fabulous china is. Nooo, not propaganda at ALL. Suuuure.
So you'd rather he made one about how great the US is? Anyone saying anything positive is either a Chinese bot or a Chinese propagandist.
You must have the attention span of a baby then, to not watch past the intro.
the last couple of days we've lost interest of the Chino-American rivalry... pretty soon we'll completely turn our back and forget all about it... isolationism is becoming the new norm... kind of WGAF?
Thanks for everything
Really good video.
Wait... the United States or NASA? There's a big difference.
Was thinking that. US gov isn't the only space player in the US anymore.
My thoughts exactly, SpaceX, Blue Origin, Sierra Space, NanoRacks, Axiom Space etc. etc. etc. China will never catch up with the American entrepreneurs!
Unless there is money to be made I doubt any American lunar endeavor will be done without NASA.
@@jimdavis7589 Such denialism of reality. 𝘿𝙞𝙨𝙢𝙚𝙢𝙗𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙜 your own space agency to pave the way for 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙖𝙩𝙚 𝙥𝙧𝙤𝙛𝙞𝙩𝙨, that's objectively not something you should be proud of. How many of those companies landed on the Moon or Mars like the Chang'e and Tianwen programs did recently? The truth is the opposite: 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙯𝙞𝙣𝙜 your space administration is a stone in your shoe, a 𝙙𝙚𝙖𝙙 𝙬𝙚𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙬𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙣𝙚𝙘𝙧𝙤𝙩𝙞𝙯𝙚 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙤𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙩, you are already behind and not able to catch up.
Due respect to China's space program, the Chandrya team from India blew me away.
need publicity more
Absolutely love it, get it done china
I really enjoy your videos about other countries' space projects. I've heard that India is going out into space, too. I'd be interested in seeing a video on that.
Hi Alex just wondering when your book will be arriving , I ordered it quite a while ago and was hoping it would arrive before Christmas as it is a present for my grandson.
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