At higher ranks 2cp might be okay, but the def advantage feels really bad in Plat where clean fights are rare. It basically feels like feed until it works. On the flip side the offensive snowball is strong too. Feels like one mistake affects the entire outcome. I feel push might be the same way for higher ranks though after watching the ow league.
2cp is 1000000% better than push. Push is basically a walking simulator if you die one time. And in lower elos, where grouping up is basically impossible and only happens by chance, the whole game gets steamrolled by the team that wins the first fight.
My only problem with 2 cp is the spawn placements you are either attacking on hanamura with quick spawn/hard door to enter once you die it's really hard to get back in time thus the same on 2nd point defenders spawn is so close. so it's either they walk to far or you walk to far.
I mean its meant to be a shift, defenders have to walk a long distance for the first point, but have better positioning. Attackers have to walk a shorter distance but have better ganking opportunities than defenders. Then it shifts, 2nd point gives either more ganking/ open spots (think paris) or better positioning (think hanamura attack) for attack but they have to walk farther. Defenders get shorter distance and can usually set up, but it’s typically weaker positions than the first point. But they’re getting rid of it. The game modes just too frustrating now. Idk if it would have been with one less tank, since double shield was the most annoying thing about 2cp.
The problem with 2CP is that Blizzard hasn't made good maps outside of Temple and Hanamura. Volskaya is tolerable at best. Paris and Horizon were hell. I didn't get a chance to play push, so I can't make a comparison there, but it looks like a glorified payload/control combo concept. Meanwhile, most of the hybrid maps are at least fun, if not amazing. Outside of Dorado, the escort maps are fun. I can live without control, but there are really only 2 "bad" maps imo (Nepal Village and Ilios University), and even then it's more of a issue with people grouping up. I'd rather lose control for push and get 2-3 more good 2CP maps, but I understand them cutting 2CP as it's the most hated map type.
It's not even the fact it's hated, it's the fact they are made one sided, defense on a lot of 2cp maps is almost unfair, where attack has to win like 4 team fights back to back with diminishing resources to cap the point.
@@t81773 Low ranked players get stuck at the choke and try to force it instead of contesting high ground - then don't take positions on 2nd point high ground and get hard contested there too. Same issue with Hollywood 2nd, people just try to force the cart the entire way instead of actually controlling positions. It makes it almost entirely pure luck - hope your DPS get a pick to snowball off of or the enemy tanks/supps waste cd's and get rolled.
@@t81773 Maps with lots of high ground are the worst in the game. Its why horizon and paris are banned, because of the immensely oppressive high ground on first point. Dorado is the exact same just for payload tho. But imo its not as bad as those game modes because of, well the payload. You also have more to work with. Dorado isn’t a bad map tho, it is very frustrating to play sometimes tho. Its definitely my least favorite escort map, probably next to Gibraltar
@@t81773 For escort? If we can count hybrid as well, then Rialto, Kings Row, and Eichenwalde. Maybe Havana too if I had to add another purely escort map. I do like Dorado btw I just hate the first area since its a strong high ground into a difficult choke I usually prefer control honestly, since I prefer brawling a lot more. Also I’m a tank main lmao so I hope it’s understandable why I hate high ground. I do play Winston but I can’t play him every game depending on my team. Although I’m learning Dva
It’s such a dumb game mode… it’s basically meant to be for your team to lose first point because of the spawn difference. Horizon and Paris are way better than Hanamura lol
I mean..idk I've seen silver players absolutely dominate with torb I don't think he's a mechanically advanced character. He just sits back and spams down chokes. I don't think it'd that remarkable for a stoner to hit rank 3 on a brain dead afk hero.
@@Jay3 bro playing torb 0 skill champ and u trynna convince me he is a good player I have seen him play other heroes dude is terrible w very poor game sense on any other hero that requires skill 🥱
The roadhog not seeing silvoc walk past is literally a comedy movie scene
Today we know - That is Ruben for you
Silvoc rips a bong and casually hits 4.5, man's a legend.
He also puts music over the gameplay, which is 10 times louder. So he doesnt even hears footsteps lmfao
Legit me every game
Absolute icon of the game. This man's faded and phoning it in is still 100 times better than my peak.
he is an actual Gigachad
“I’m gonna miss hanamaura when Overwatch 2 comes out”
That’s enough internet for me today
Absolutely love this series
Happy to see someone else who will miss Honamura. It was a great map. Sad to see it gone.
At higher ranks 2cp might be okay, but the def advantage feels really bad in Plat where clean fights are rare. It basically feels like feed until it works. On the flip side the offensive snowball is strong too. Feels like one mistake affects the entire outcome. I feel push might be the same way for higher ranks though after watching the ow league.
Hanamura is the only good 2CP map. It would have been worse in 5 v 5 though, the moment the one tank you have feeds you lose the point.
I agree, Hanamura is indeed fun, and part of me will miss 2cp
2cp is 1000000% better than push. Push is basically a walking simulator if you die one time. And in lower elos, where grouping up is basically impossible and only happens by chance, the whole game gets steamrolled by the team that wins the first fight.
How do you get the Ö in the title?
I like 2cp more than push as well. I’m not sure how it’s work with 5v5. Tank dies and you lose the point.
git gud
go back to 6v6
You just gangbang the Tank and move on.
Play tank and get good. Easy as that
@@neon8406 you can have a top rank tank but if they die, its still game over lol
its time to AQUAMARINE rank 1 junkrat, sic aim
You should spectate aquamarine for one of these vids!!!
Temple and Hanamura are great maps, good take j3
after many months of overwatch 2, Jay 3 was right. 2cp is way better than push
Love this series lol keep them coming 😎
My only problem with 2 cp is the spawn placements you are either attacking on hanamura with quick spawn/hard door to enter once you die it's really hard to get back in time thus the same on 2nd point defenders spawn is so close. so it's either they walk to far or you walk to far.
I mean its meant to be a shift, defenders have to walk a long distance for the first point, but have better positioning. Attackers have to walk a shorter distance but have better ganking opportunities than defenders. Then it shifts, 2nd point gives either more ganking/ open spots (think paris) or better positioning (think hanamura attack) for attack but they have to walk farther. Defenders get shorter distance and can usually set up, but it’s typically weaker positions than the first point.
But they’re getting rid of it. The game modes just too frustrating now. Idk if it would have been with one less tank, since double shield was the most annoying thing about 2cp.
Nice to see how the other half live 😂
I love Anubis as well, as a Lucio main, yeah works great, definitely gonna miss it
I agree! I love Hanamura and Temple (especially on Zen)! People always talk s* but it's so fun. You can do some cool plays on it...and i hate push.
I get the impression this guy is an absolute goober.
Finally someone who shares my love for Hanamura!
Watching some of these top500 games makes me go wtf at my own rank. This is a rank3 ? :D
I love these videos
why is he not using the 2000iq turret spot on the stairwell right side of first point on D?
This is a banger
Torb true chad.
damn dude i miss this map
Why everybody saying specialist now
I also enjoy watching good streamer players…
I agree, 2 CP is better than push
1:25 we can spectate top gameplay
Push is loads of fun and the new maps are well done but I will miss Hanamura and Anubis.
push sucks
Still missing this map and 2CP.
He got tylan from the wanted game
Did you know that silvoc play on 1800dpi and 22sens in game
I miss Hanamura and Volskaya and Paris and Horizon xD
What was up with the jumps? Torb has a super jump? I don’t think it was the Lucio boops?!
I hope they re do hanamura into a payload map
Time to spectate the #1 Sym “Specialist”??? Preeeease!!! 😊🤞
I literally paused the video for that 2cp comment. bro did you like Paris and horizon too..???
Haha much love though goofy goober
Agree...I'm not a fan of push either.
I already miss 2cp... volskaya and hanamura were my favourite maps... not I have to deal with bot push and it sucks
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
2cp is better than push. Agreed.
specialist lol
whose cassidy?
The problem with 2CP is that Blizzard hasn't made good maps outside of Temple and Hanamura. Volskaya is tolerable at best. Paris and Horizon were hell. I didn't get a chance to play push, so I can't make a comparison there, but it looks like a glorified payload/control combo concept. Meanwhile, most of the hybrid maps are at least fun, if not amazing. Outside of Dorado, the escort maps are fun. I can live without control, but there are really only 2 "bad" maps imo (Nepal Village and Ilios University), and even then it's more of a issue with people grouping up.
I'd rather lose control for push and get 2-3 more good 2CP maps, but I understand them cutting 2CP as it's the most hated map type.
It's not even the fact it's hated, it's the fact they are made one sided, defense on a lot of 2cp maps is almost unfair, where attack has to win like 4 team fights back to back with diminishing resources to cap the point.
@@t81773 Low ranked players get stuck at the choke and try to force it instead of contesting high ground - then don't take positions on 2nd point high ground and get hard contested there too.
Same issue with Hollywood 2nd, people just try to force the cart the entire way instead of actually controlling positions. It makes it almost entirely pure luck - hope your DPS get a pick to snowball off of or the enemy tanks/supps waste cd's and get rolled.
@@t81773 Maps with lots of high ground are the worst in the game. Its why horizon and paris are banned, because of the immensely oppressive high ground on first point. Dorado is the exact same just for payload tho. But imo its not as bad as those game modes because of, well the payload. You also have more to work with.
Dorado isn’t a bad map tho, it is very frustrating to play sometimes tho. Its definitely my least favorite escort map, probably next to Gibraltar
@@t81773 For escort? If we can count hybrid as well, then Rialto, Kings Row, and Eichenwalde. Maybe Havana too if I had to add another purely escort map. I do like Dorado btw I just hate the first area since its a strong high ground into a difficult choke
I usually prefer control honestly, since I prefer brawling a lot more.
Also I’m a tank main lmao so I hope it’s understandable why I hate high ground. I do play Winston but I can’t play him every game depending on my team. Although I’m learning Dva
It’s such a dumb game mode… it’s basically meant to be for your team to lose first point because of the spawn difference. Horizon and Paris are way better than Hanamura lol
Yo jay you should react to widowmaker plays there’s this guy named Ans he’s actually cracked out the wazoo
i cant stand 2cp. Drawing half my volskaya matches and getting 4 picks and not capping Anubis 2nd point
Anubis second point is actual hell
Hanamura is a good map, it’s the mode that’s bad.
So they're getting rid of all capture point maps?
The reason why people hate 2 cp is because most of the maps are garbage. Paris, Lunar, Volskaya, and Anubis all suck. They only good map is hanamura
I actually really like Hanamura rip
yea 2cp much more fun then new map type in ow2. i will miss them(((
2cp better than push? Bro you're out of your mind lol
He should watch redshell, it would be so funny 😂
Hanamura is the best map change my mind
A torb “specialist”
top 1 bastionmain ?
Watch a good junk player. Aquamarine or Chro would be good choices
i like hanamura. absolutely despised ilios and temple of analbutts. anubis is paris if you really think about it
This was clickbait, I wasn’t even in the video.
What the hell happened to Horizon? That was my favorite map.
My best in torbjorn is 42
2cp is better than push, in the way that a kick in the nuts is better than a hammer to the nuts.
Push is not fun I would rather have 2cp.
2cp are the best maps in the game, the overwatch 2 team is just full of bad decisions like 5v5
5v5 such a L
o7
now that 2cp is gone I miss it, the maps were awesome!
2cp is better than push. push sucks.
nah nah nah, 2cp is .........., push is better, dude come on
tbh this looked more like a diamond player
This shows how bad of a hero design torb is, man has atrocious aim and can still reach high ranks. Torb is just a direct counter to skill
How is his aim atrocious? He's hitting the targets that count for the most part. Could be better but you're just mad you're hardstuck tbh.
Hana is awful. One intrence to the point yet the get rid of luner either mamy ways to get to point.
im the 69 view
I mean..idk I've seen silver players absolutely dominate with torb I don't think he's a mechanically advanced character. He just sits back and spams down chokes. I don't think it'd that remarkable for a stoner to hit rank 3 on a brain dead afk hero.
I will stop spamming this but let me say it one more time. Please watch a genji player like necros i Promise he will be great to watch
8:05 lmao
Silvoc is a mid player fr fr 🥱
He hit a higher SR than you ever did being a mid player. Oof that has to be rough
Yea bro this guy is only rank 3 NA peak at 4600 sr he’s shit man. Trust me bro I would know I’m 2100 SR
@@Jay3 bro playing torb 0 skill champ and u trynna convince me he is a good player I have seen him play other heroes dude is terrible w very poor game sense on any other hero that requires skill 🥱
@@damon6086 damn u cought me if guard bro I am indeed low Elo player 🤪🤪🤪🤪
@@Jay3 but yeah streamers must support streamers Keep that energy lesgooo🤪🤪
Ty someone for gifting me tier 1 sub in Jay chat ❤️