The Psychology of Arcane: Jayce and Viktor - Therapist Reacts!
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Psychotherapist Georgia Dow describes the relationship between Jayce and Viktor in "Arcane" and how a healthy friendship is necessary for good self-esteem.
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Omg. I was always laughing at the "wait a minute, this isn't my bedroom" line so much in the lab invasion scene, that I never realized how adorable it was that they didn't throw each other under the bus. They were partners from the beggining. That only makes their fate in season 2 even more upsetting 😭
it was so cute
Looking back on it, the way Victor says it proves that it's likely not the first time he's made that excuse, as it comes to him entirely naturaly
Arc 1 Viktor was horny arc Viktor
Why the heck was viktors first thought to fake sneaking a guy into his room XD
@@PinkApocalypse oh I think we all ideas about that...
so to add to your comment about viktor breaking the rules, a writer for the show actually tweeted this.
"We have a backstory for Viktor that wasn’t made canon to explain how he got into the Academy. His parents saved their money to buy him a uniform and he pretended to be a student until he gained Heimerdinger’s attention. Instead of punishing him, Heimer made him his assistant!!"
It's a cute thing, but I personally would prefer the explanation of his original lore: "Viktor was born in Zaun on the borders of the Entresol level, and, encouraged by his artisan parents, discovered a passion for invention and building. He devoted every waking minute to his studies, hating to interrupt his work even to eat or sleep. *** In a bid to impose a level of order and certainty on his world, Viktor researched Zaun’s many accidents and came to realize that almost all of them were the result of human error, not mechanical failure. He offered his services to the local businesses, developing inventions that made them far safer working environments. *** Viktor’s inventions in automation reduced the number of accidents in the forge to zero within a month. Soon, other establishments sought his work and Viktor’s designs became common in Zaun, improving production with every innovation that removed human error from a process. Eventually, at the age of nineteen, he was surprised to be offered a place in Zaun’s prestigious Academy of Techmaturgy. But Viktor’s work had attracted the eye of Professor Stanwick of Piltover, who convinced him to leave Zaun and travel to Piltover’s academy instead." He actually earned his place by hard work and inventions, not just pretended to be a student. But since the Undercity in Arcane is written to be even less happy place then it was in the game, I suppose, there was no way to highlight Viktor's work before coming to the Academy.
Thank you so much I didnt know that
@@user-uf7wg1zo5k i mean they could still weave some of his original lore in. They did say both he and jayce made a pledge to the undercity. So we could learn more about why hes so adamant about zaun. I honestly dont mind if they change stuff from the original lore, if its for the sake of the story flowing better.
Also the part when Viktor is saying "What about helping people? What about the undercity?" it _really_ feels like he's saying "What about me? Have you forgotten about me?" I think Viktor really represents the undercity in a lot of scenes, while Jayce represents Piltover. No matter how much they love each other, that cultural divide and that tension is still going to be there.
“In our pursuit of greatness we failed to do good.” That was such a powerful line in the show. I love your Arcane breakdowns of the characters. Every time the video comes to an end, I’m always surprised. Like it’s over already? I get so engrossed I don’t even realize you are done.
that means the world to me
right after those words victor also says we have to make it right, something i notice everyone miss, cuz it is another paralel back to when they were at jace's place talking about cranking it
Another thing is that jayce is constantly protecting viktor. He first does it when Mel catches them, he says viktor is his new partner. The second is him taking full blame for the hex gem going missing thus making viktor get no punishment. And the third is jayce protecting the hexcore from heim because he believes it's the last thing that'll keep him alive. Jayce cares for viktor deeply and it shows. Also he gives his chair for viktor to sit in at the last council meeting.
Why didn’t Jayce help Viktor with the Hexcore so that they can find the cure for his disease faster?
Didn't Viktor ask him to destroy it?@@shadowgamer4306
It's interesting how Jayce and Viktor both talked each other off a literal ledge. Didn't notice that parallel until this video.
yes so beautiful
It never really struck out to me as Jayce being a deep-feeler until you mentioned it. I think it explains why he’s reckless, he just cares so much. Always leading from the heart, not the head. Or maybe he’s just a himbo, who knows? Thanks once again, Georgia
I think it's very well demonstrated by how he throws himself into his new role as a councillor and the task of ensuring that people are safe from his invention. Viktor is way less concerned with this and the possibility of it being weaponised (although I understand he's distracted by his immediate circumstances), but Jayce cannot bear the thought of people being hurt because of him. It's one of the bigger philosophical divides between him and Viktor. Viktor is simultaneously more reckless and more rigid in his pursuits - sticks to his goal and isn't overly concerned with the cost (up until Sky at least), while Jayce is a bit more adaptable of the two, wants to make changes, but finds certain cost of progress unacceptable.
He is definitely a feeler. I remember that I checked the Personality Database and his MBTI is ENFJ. At first I didn't believe it because there's the stereotype that scientists are often thinkers but when I paid a closer look it all made sense. ENFJs have Extraverted Feeling as a dominant function, which means they are in tune with other people's feelings to the point that they can neglect their own. And we see that when Jayce hears that Viktor is dying. He leaves Mel in the middle of the night just to go and see his friend. And you can also notice that he's touching Viktor's shoulder a lot in order to reassure him and let him know that he's there for him, whereas Viktor is more reserved when it comes to physical touch.
Extraverted Feeling also plays a role in the decision making process. It means that when someone makes a decision they are taking into consideration how it affects other people. And we can see that in Jayce too. His inventions are made to improve other people's lives. The Atlas gauntlets are initially made for miners. He is also deeply affected when he sees a child die during the Chemtech encounter. So it is very important for him that he does what's best for everyone else, not for him.
@@justacat869 Yes! These are great observations because what really stuck out to me upon watching the show is how much Jayce cares about making people happy. The man is a chronic people pleaser, which is why he so often flip-flops in his decisions because he's trying to find a solution that will please everybody. He's very decisive in getting Heimerdinger off the council because it's the only way that Viktor can work on his cure, but at the same time he's very remorseful because he cares about Heimerdinger as well and can't even look him in the eye when he raises his hand to vote. He's constantly faced with these polarising decisions that will inevitably antagonise someone and boy does he struggle with it.
It also contrasts very well in his relationship with Mel because while he's prioritising trying to do right by everyone else, Mel is actually the only person to take care of his needs, first professionally (by giving him advice, empowering him and giving him more agency over his inventions) and later emotionally as well (by comforting him and encouraging him to talk about his feelings), which is why I think they make a great couple.
i nominate Jayce as himbo
Maybe that's why the scene of the dead enforcers made him puke. On top of the visceral reality before him, it happened under his direction.
The reason Victor emphasizes that he didn't have the benefit of a house or patron is to show Jayce, who just lost those benefits, that those aren't necessary to succeed in science
I love how Arcane uses Shimmer as a way to really show the differences in thought processes of Piltover vs Zaun. For Zaunites, Shimmer is dangerous and addictive and causes chaos, but is also a source of medicine and healing and strength where they have very little (as shown in Viktor taking the shimmer from Singed, the medicine that Caitlyn gets for Vi having Shimmer in it, the glasses-bedecked gentleman that tells Caitlyn that he takes Shimmer so that he could be strong, and the Shimmer being used to not only save Jinx's life but also makes her super-powered). For Piltover, however, Shimmer is simply dangerous because they do not need the positive benefits of it. They don't need the medicinal aspect because they get to use actual medicine. They don't need to feel strong because they're already on top. So Shimmer to Jayce, to Piltover in general is just a dangerous drug substance that threatens their society because of the chaos it also causes.
Not to mention, they are using the so called hextech instead to gain the upper hand, both in conflict and trade. What do you think is the difference between those two methods of approach, into the future?
@@panda_invention1810 I think they really highlight what each society 1) values on a macroscopic scale, and 2) what is considered an acceptable level of sacrifice in order to progress.
Jayce originally wants to use Hextech to save lives, but after the time skip we see that the first project that was actually completed was for transportation. Transportation is great! except it's being used by the corporations to move product faster so they could become richer. THAT is what Pilltover considered to be the highest priority for this new life-changing technology. Meanwhile, Shimmer is being used and isolated and refined to create medicine, which does have substantial side effects, but it allows the people of Zaun to feel strong, to keep surviving.
Also, as soon as Pilltover had a single little explosion with Hextech they were willing to shut down the entire project, completely ignoring the possible benefits of the technology. Even the THOUGHT of losing a building or maybe losing a life was too tragic to continue with progress. Ironically, this ceasing of progress would have resulted in more deaths through the lack of the promised medicinal benefits Hextech offered as WELL as the immediate death of Jayce from his suicide attempt.
Meanwhile, Silco flooded the undercity with Shimmer, causing a lot of damage to the people there through addiction and sometimes dramatic malformations. HOWEVER, overall I view the benefit as positive because of the health benefits that were pretty quickly realized and utilized with Shimmer, and for the psychological benefits of allowing the people of Zaun to feel powerful in a world where they've been pushed to the bottom. This is also shown in how Viktor is willing to continue his research even after the death of the girl that had a crush on him, whereas Jayce immediately abandoned his plan to stop Silco as soon as he had killed one person. Viktor mourned, he felt terrible, but he kept going. Jayce quit, even with Vi telling him "What did you think was going to happen?"
Pilltover has not had to experience suffering and sacrifice, so they are unwilling to do it for progress. Zaun is well versed in sacrifice and so is willing to sacrifice much to move towards a better future.
@@chelbanna I love this comment so much. I also love the fact how both Piltover and Zaun with all their sides are represented by characters: Jayce, Mel and Cait for Piltover, Singed, Silco and Jinx for Zaun (Viktor and Vi are kind of stuck between the cities). Scientists, politicians and warriors, all different, all with the colors of the place that formed them.
@@aakarshk you said that transportation increases would cause "individuals" lives to be better with greater cash flow in the city as a whole. This idea depends on an understanding that the councilors and businessmen of Piltover are actually using their weath by spending it *in Pilltover*. The only way the wealth is passed around to the regular citizenry is if they deem to spend it with them. I find this incredibly difficult to believe they would do this based off of the complete disregard they give to an entire suffering population just over the bridge. They don't think about how other people's lives could be improved- just their own. Also, if the time spent researching and implementing transportation technology was being spent instead on how to make the hextech safer, they could very well have had Hextech marbles a lot quicker than 7 years and then could have moved their research towards the goal of really helping and changing lives as Jayce had planned.
I like that this show really lets them have their distinct, separate journeys from each other while still keeping their friendship central to their story (and I like the sort of metaphor that Jayce the extrovert has a journey about how he needs to deal with the outside world, with his responsibility to others, and Viktor the introvert has more of an intraspective journey dealing with his mortality and legacy). When you’re friends with someone, especially really close friends, you can live totally separate experiences from each other, you may even have incredibly restricted understanding of what the other friend has been through when you weren’t together, but you still trust them. You can see this when Viktor asks Jayce to destroy the Hexcore, Jayce objects briefly, wondering about how he’ll survive without it, but when Viktor repeats himself, just tonally emphasizing the gravity of what he’s asking, Jayce relents and assures Viktor he’ll do it, he doesn’t ask any more questions even though he has no idea what’s happened that would cause Viktor to make this request or why he can’t do it himself, but he TRUSTS Viktor so much that no informational context matters, the only thing that matters is how Viktor feels about it.
And on Viktor’s end, to ask someone to do this at all is just a sign of how close and trusting they are together, that Viktor doesn’t feel the need to convince Jayce to do it, that comes back to this thing of ”Jayce will understand”, ”if I tell him to do this, he will respect my choice.”
An interaction like this is also very exclusive to friendship, if they were family, you’d imagine that conversation going differently, like imagine if Powder asked Vi to destroy this thing that could save her life, you think she’d do it? I highly doubt it. With family there’s often too much closeness and attachment to accept a request like that, but with friends, there’s often a degree of separation, a respect for each other’s independence that’s just enough to where you may trust your friends more than you trust your own family. I can speak to that and I’m sure many others can, that there are things I will feel a lot more comfortable sharing with my friends than with my family.
jayce slander is funny to an extent, like atp there's a lot of people misinterpreting him and actually hating him for something he's not 😭 glad u covered him
TL; DR:
The hate’s from the game’s fanbase but has yet to explain WHY outside of a “not in the lore” oneliner. And considering arcane’s creators have already said it’s not 1:1 following LoL Lore (which like DC and Marvel Comics and SW EU is a steaming mess of Retcons Itself), frankly at this point *I don’t care.*
Full Rambling:
Most of the Jayce-hate seems to be from “well, actually in LoL Lore…” when I’m pretty sure arcane’s already said they’re taking inspiration FROM lore but =/= going to do the exact same thing (and probably unsurprisingly for a franchise that splinters into side media, the “lore” apparently contradicts itself or gets retconned and revamped all the time depending on whatever event LoL is doing-via a comment who knows where. I don’t play league, I don’t exactly care to.)
Meanwhile… all the Jayce-Hate is either one-liners that explain nothing, or blocks of text that if they ever get to the point of “in the LORE” it’s so poorly formatted that I inevitably give up. (And I tend to be pretty wordy myself, so that’s saying something.) But Jayce’s Legends Profile on the game’s site really doesn’t have anything that “enlightens” why Leaguers hate him so much as a (game-verse transplanted to arcane-verse) character
And well. Arcane’s pretty clearly an “alternate reality” to “actually cleaned up and streamlined with better nuance, but won’t ever have These Storylines as Canon Lore because waayyy too complicated an overhaul.” I also think a lot of (game) fans aren’t mature enough viewers to appreciate the incredibly complicated and beautiful nuance Arcane’s writing is choosing to do-it’s taking beats from a classic tragedy, and even if it’s final season ends happily-enough (whenever that is in the future, I’m certainly not going to demand “more content!!” verses letting the creators take their time to continue to make something GOOD) I’d still consider Arcane to be Tragedy (a *real* one. Not the discount grimdark advertising as “tragedy” for a good decade now.)
@@anonymousfellow8879 damn thats long n i personally thought the hate was more so from the arcane fans so my takes a bit different (i dont play the game either) but i agree tht people really dumb his character down when hating when in reality just the good-amount-of-complex way he's written
@@aelvenus they definitely do 😂
…I also see a LOT of hate from jayvik antis (and a LOT of misogynoir directed at Mel simply for existing. I am tired. A blwoc with “the hunk” instead of your broody white boy comfort character does NOT equate Censorship, Actually, dear fandom.)
Since I made my original reply…I’ve also had a latina friend who adores meljay point out that a LOT of the flattening and demonization of Jayce’s character…is…very, very similar to racist latino stereotypes
TL;DR
So…yeah.
-new fandom whining about ships (again.)
-(side of racism, both against black women -if ships are involved- as well as against latinos)
-still standing by Old Crowd LoL Stans coming into Arcane *already* loathing Jayce’s Character…but never getting to the gd point as to WHY they dislike Jayce from the original game so much
@@anonymousfellow8879 I think you kind of touched on it but I'll add: Arcane is definitely targeting a certain demographic (as all media does). It is animated, based on a game, centered around 2 young sisters, depicts a lesbian relationship, I would be confident in saying that means most people who watch could be grouped into a "young progressive" category (these are loose generalizations of course), especially the ones who go onto the internet to discuss the show.
That means many of the viewers are automatically going to identify most strongly with characters that have stigmas attached to them in modern western society (mental health issues, handicapped, LGBTQ, etc.). Jayce, by comparison, at least on the surface is the classic strong, confident, handsome, straight, white guy, so people are quick to see him as an oppressor of the other characters.
That is why I'm really glad that they included him suggesting to Viktor that he should come on stage with him since it immediately dismisses the idea that he is going to become the cocky jerk taking credit for Viktor's work that we can be quick to label him as. He has his flaws for sure, but I think that people are much quicker to judge him harshly because we are, naturally, relating him to stereotypes in our world.
@@awilk418 jayce looks latin or Arabian why would people think he is a white supremacist.
When Viktor said he came into the city without a name or a backer, he wasn't ine upping him, he was leveling with him. Jayce has lost his backers and his family name won't mean much given what he'd just done, Viktor was simply saying that just because Jayce has lost all of this, doesn't mean it's over.
Since you were speaking of Viktor, a subtle and sometimes overlooked detail is that the young girl showing interest in young Viktor as he launches his mechanical toy boat was referred to as "Sky" when her friends called to her. The woman who later dies tragically trying to save Viktor was also named Sky. Hits you in the feels.
I believe they are the same person.
yes that is Sky :,(
@@GeorgiaDow You should totally do a video about Sky one day too! I know she has maybe 60 seconds of screen time, but so does Heimerdinger’s pet poro 🤣 so maybe that's enough?
yes that just may be and thank you for letting me know his pets name. Poro so cute
@@GeorgiaDow I actually think that's just what the creatures themselves are called as like a species. 🤔
Really enjoying these videos, keep up the good work! 🥰
Not giving Viktor any credit for his very smart lie of “Wait a minute this isn’t my bedroom” it’s a lie that works every time lol
Lmao that was such a great line 😂 Especially when you consider the implications of Jayce being there
@@lilscenechick1995 Ikr it’s wonderful
it was the best line =)
"Wait, this isn't my bedroom."
Viktor pls ☺
Underrated
One of the things I really liked about their relationship: if you know anything about the games, you know that, in the future, Viktor is a crazy scientist hellbent on progress at any cost, and he amd Jayce are actually enemies. So it would be so easy for the show writers to make him into a traitor from the start, for him to be using Jayce and planning on stealing his hectech all along. Buut they didn't. Viktor was a legitimately good person and a good friend to Jayce, but the circumstances slowly pulled them apart. Not completely (yet), but we can certainly see how that relationship evolved into what we see in the games (even if the show doesn't follow game lore 1 to 1)
"I'm from the under city" and "he said nature was resistant to this sort of... tampering" live rent free in my mind
But... But in the game lore it's VIKTOR who was the main scientist and who cared the most about people (even after he lost his humanity and become a cyborg - he did it only because he thought emotions cause people to fail and hurt others), who did all the invention. While his inventions were stolen by people from Piltover and Jayce did not help Viktor to prove that. It was JAYCE who destroyed the shelter where Viktor was trying to save lives of people poisoned by gas explosion. It was JAYCE who was selfish and hot-headed traitor of their friendship. WDYM show writes could make Viktor a traitor using Jayce? No, they could not. They didn't make Jayse an asssss-whole from the very beginning - yes, but Viktor was not a traitor or a villain even in the game lore. He simply thinks that progress or enforcing people with mechanical parts is the best way to help them and protect them. Read his lore before saying stuff.
@@user-uf7wg1zo5k no lol
@@moonlight2870 the game is fr so interesting
@@moonlight2870 Read the lore than =__= You obviously know 0 about Viktor's personality.
An unnoticed detail I love about their relationship is that when they first met, Jayce wasn't awkward around Viktor. I need mobility aids too most people act awkward around me or ignore me and it is heartbreaking to know your own existence makes people uncomfortable. I think Viktor actually deals with this on top of making people already uncomfortable Topside because he's a Zaunite so it's double the ignoring or awkwardness from people. From day one Jayce thinks he's a weirdo but for all the right reasons: he's a nerd, sarcastic, funny and that's what draws Jayce to Viktor.
I wished that they had more scenes together as friends. It gave me the impression that Jayce kind of neglect Viktor specially when we know that he knows that Viktor is dying.
Uh! The parallel scenes of Jayce and Viktor interrupting each other is so beautiful. It’s also where Viktor gives some of the absolute best and most memorable lines in the show. Love it
When I heard Singed's "They'll despise you for it." line, I completely agreed. Real world example: when I transitioned into software development, it really seemed to rub a surprising number of people the wrong way, and it wound up nuking a lot of personal relationships. The whole time, I was wondering "Why do they even care? Its just a personal shift in professions." Viktor and Jayce's case is more extreme because Viktor is effectively incorporating "fantasy heroin" into his experiments, while his BFF is a counsel member, proactively trying to destroy the drug trade. Viktor can't tell Jayce, because Jayce will demand he find another way, without actually having an alternative approach in mind.
"Am I interrupting?" I was/am so invested into their friendship and development!
I love what Arcane did with Viktor. He's a radical transhumanist, a parable for irresponsible progress, counterfeit Darth Vader. The show takes us back, puts a human face on him, and shows us how small events can make a villain. Jayce's optimistic progress suddenly looks less enlightened when you see how close they are to each other.
so good
i wouldn't even really call victor a villain in the lore either.
Viktor is not radical, the cult that follows his teachings is. And he being held accountable for their actions even though he is not affiliated with them.
Oh God I screamed the second I got the notif!!!!
And it was a beautiful video to bad it had to end...
you did notice that Viktor when they got caught breaking into Heimer's lab he says "oh wait this isnt my bedroom Chuckle*". Sneaking a boy into his bedroom, Jayce x Viktor people loved that im sure ahah
Hahahaha oh so perfect
Of course they did...there's so many people who what characters to be lgbtxyze=mc2. Characters can be straight, just because it's a trend now to be lgbtxyze=mc2 doesn't mean it had to be in everything. Go watch some yaoi if you want to see gay relationships.
@@Afmedic85 Oh shut up.
@@Afmedic85 you can say that you don’t like a ship without being homophobic about it. Especially when it comes to a show/fandom where there is a lot of LGBTQ+ representation that doesn’t even have to be explicitly stated (ex: Vi and Caitlyn’s budding romance, the queer undertones to a lot of the characters like Vi, Caitlyn, Viktor, and all the characters who are designed in gender non conforming ways). I think maybe you should realize the audience of what you’re commenting on and also think: is this going to help anyone? Am I sharing a hateful or misinformed opinion? In this case the answers would be no and yes respectively. Being LGBTQ+ is not a trend or a choice, it’s something you can’t change about yourself and it’s something that people are often treated horribly or less than because of. I’ve seen a lot of people who are not LGBTQ+ in the arcane fandom complain about people thinking the characters are LGBTQ+ when the creators have confirmed it. No one should have to explicitly state their gender or sexuality for you to believe them (which based on your mockery of the community by adding random letters and an equation into the acronym I doubt you would believe or respect them anyway) or respect them. Our community shouldn’t have to resort to pieces of media that fetishize us to see ourselves represented in these characters. In my opinion it is sad that you found a wonderful video analyzing these two characters’ relationship (and yes, while they do not get together canonically you can’t deny that there are times when there is a hint of something more could happen, you could call it bromance or you could call it what it is: a deep bond that could develop in any number of ways), took a funny comment that just reiterates something one of the characters said (yes, Viktor could be straight, but as there is nothing in the show that confirms or denies his interest towards anyone of any gender we can’t really assume) and took that as an invitation to be rude. If you had blue eyes and not brown eyes and I said “it’s so annoying to see weirdos with blue eyes in things. Just because having blue eyes is a trend doesn’t mean it has to be in my brown-eyed media. Go back to your space where everyone has blonde hair and blue eyes” and said space was fetishization of blue eyes. I just hope that no one treats any of your differences the way you’ve treated my communities, as it’s not a pleasant feeling and nobody deserves that kind of disrespect and invalidation.
@@Afmedic85 please shut up. no one complains when everything is straight. maybe you should think about that.
I also liked the scene where Viktor and Jayce were discussing weaponizing Hextech. Viktor triggered Jinx' bomb but defused it, saying "There's always a choice". I interpreted it as: Viktor could've killed them both in that moment but made the choice to give it another chance!
Anyways, love your videos ❤
It's a real shame how these two are SAPPOSED to end up. They both seem to genuinely respect and trust each other.
But, in the LoL Lore, these two have a SIRIUS beef with each other, and, short of the end of the world, no real way they'd share space or perspectives like this.
But, their personalities are also pretty defferent in some ways here, so, all we can do is hope "Glorius Evolution" isn't as brutal to Victor as it was in the Lore.
Spoilers much...lol they still have a way to go before that a bunch of character have not shown up yet
You ever read Viktor's color story "House on Emberlift Alley"? Viktor is not a diabolical mad scientist, he grants the crippled of the undercity techmaturgical miracles as we now know was also because he was also disabled himself. Viktor is still the same guy, he doesn't think like an evil AI, and he's still a deeply altruistic man at heart despite his radical conviction.
@@dubwubwubstek244 Exactly. I love how people ignore his entire lore and that it's basically a story of a totally selfless man trying to save others with his genius inventions. Especially those of Zaun. People thinking that Viktor is evil have never read his lore carefully, He did lost some of his feeling and emotions because of the transformation, but hurting others was never his goal. And everyone seems to forget how much sh**t Jayce actually did in his lore - he is not a good guy in their story.
@@user-uf7wg1zo5k I'm gonna nerd off, I also like how these aspects of the characters personalities were translated into the show from the lore in a much more nuanced way, Viktor is very selfless and that does make him able to help people in the end, but it's also a negative in so many ways, he operates in this mode of "I have nothing to lose" for the whole show, which I think a true hero would take pride in himself atleast a little bit, which makes him pretty grey. It's very "I will install a ventilation system in the undercity to make up for the air *I* have wasted" We saw that his selflessness makes him shut out and act out in a dismissive way toward people who are interested in him, like we saw with Sky in the show. He can't fathom where anyone could even get the insentive to want to talk to Him, it's why he dedicates everything to his work, the fact he can contribute to something glorious external to himself gives him a reason to live. It's sad and really not admirable at all.
With Jayce, him being a little entitled and having a big ego is something that was kind of present for the entire show, but Arcane Jayce is egotistical in a very naive way, where it comes off as kind of cute like he believes in himself and is so sure that he's going to change the world and people look up to him and his optimism, but present day Jayce in the lore is like obnoxiously arrogant, the kind of guy who refuses to listen to anyone but himself, despises civility politics. When I first watched Arcane I thought that Jayce was acting pretty out of character, did they just to shovel a character into the hero role? But then I thought oh obviously Arcane is a prequel show even the characters personalities are due to change. Jayce spent the ENTIRETY of season 1 acting as the pawn of those more experienced than himself (Heimerdinger, Mel, Ambessa, even Viktor in act 1) being told what to do and being swayed in random directions with no agency. At the near end of episode 9, Jayce just blurted out to the council "With all due respect I don't give a sh!t what any of you think of me anymore" and when I heard that line it clicked in for me him realising he's completely lost agency gave him that attitude in the first place, which yeah that would probably turn a person bitter and it makes me sympathise with him a little bit more.
@@dubwubwubstek244 I would also like to point out that in lol lore Jayce considers Viktor to be the only one as smart as he is. So while thinking you are the smartest person in the room is arrogant , it does not mean it's not true. And we need to consider that the personalities of the characters in the show are 15 years (give or take ) before the current lore , a lot of sh*t can happen that changes a person. Also , if you read the lore ( and understand it /not just face value ) you realize that neither Jayce nor Viktor are villains , it's just a matter of perspective ( what are each of them willing to sacrifice in order to get what they want.
If you think about it some more Viktor is actually willing to take risk. It only increases throughout the show because his life depends on it, and it's so sad. One of the writers mention how Viktor actually went to the academy till Hiemerdinger noticed Viktor wasn't a student. Adding onto more of the risks... he realizes how Jayce now prioritizes other things besides Hextech, so he takes bigger risk by using his time to find a cure/extend his life. When that doesn't work, he goes to Signed for help, using shimmer (another leap) till accidentally killing Sky he realizes he's doing too much 😭
I love both Jayce and Viktor sm, I loved watching this and u posted it on my birthday :D
thank you for that information and HAPPY BIRTHDAY = )
When I first heard Viktor say "when you are going to change the world don't ask for permission" I immediately paused the video and wrote that quote down. So good.
I felt the same
Knowing what they end up to... What Viktor becomes in his game lore...
It's sad to see that they had a friendship like this.
at 8:17 when you mentioned that mel had something to prove to her mother, i got chills! it never occurred to me that a big reason why mel let jayce and viktor break in to give them a chance was because she wanted them to succeed, specifically to show her mother that she underestimated her. after watching your video analysis on mel, now it all adds up as to why she was willing to let them risk everything for a breakthrough-- she wanted to show her mother that casting her out was a mistake and that piltover could be successful, and quote, "be put on the map" no matter the risks. before i watched the analysis, i had just believed that she wanted piltover to be successful, but she also wanted to prove so much to her mother. something else i find intriguing is that mel, jayce, and viktor were all three underestimated by people at some point in their lives, and i think that's so unique to each character and their relationships with one another. they all had their own different background reasons for risking their statuses for the breakthrough of hextech, however that allowed them to end up in the same place as allies
There's a delightful undertone of Mel, someone who get exiled for trying to prove her truth, helping Jayce to not get exiled for trying to prove his truth. And then falling in love with him, of course.
Thanks I appreciate you
Thank you Georgia for doing my boy Jayce justice, he often gets too much flack from from the fandom, more so than the other characters. I'd love to see more content from you about him, I'd especially love to see a video on his relationship with Mel because I think it's a beautifully layered relationship when you take Mel's past and upbringing into account, how they become influenced by each other and, in my opinion, grow into better versions of themselves together.
welcome and i may do another one on just jayce
I think that one reason why people aren't very kind to Jayce is because he's really not portrayed as a good person in the game. It's too early to tell if the show character will indeed move on to become his game version, or if the show will go their own way. But even I can't help but feel some bitterness when I see show characters bond with and trust him, knowing what he (possibly) will become.
@@Darkprosper yep I too think the hate comes from previous lore 😅
@@GeorgiaDow yes That would be amazing!
Mel's manipulative tho
It is going to be wonderfully heartbreaking to witness both of them descend into madness and ego from their ideals and become enemies in the next season.
Just wanna mention a scene you didn't talk about here- The one where Viktor disables the grenade and tells Jayce "There's always a choice" when Jayce was deciding on whether to weaponize Hextech or not.
Jayce did go on to weaponize hextech, and saw the ramifications of it first hand, after which he decides to go with Viktor's advice right away of finding the other "choice", which turns out to be just letting Silco have his nation of Zaun- A good decision all around for everyone, subjectively. Viktor was right, and Jayce agreed.
I would love to see a breakdown of Selvika. She's a great "love to hate" character and no one's really talking about her. My favorite person in the show is probably Caitlin, even if she has the "says all the right things without really knowing what that means" innocence. Also, I just want to comment on your outfits for each video - I love the matching touch. Do you build these cosplays yourself or do you go through something like Etsy? (just curious! I can imagine the time it would take to build yourself).
Yes Sevika is amazing
Sevilla is one of my favorite characters for her loyalty and how she demonstrates it
Yea and I want to hear her opinion on how sevika smirked when jinx was threatening her with the knife🤭😏
@@joshuaharris3039 i find Slevica weirdly attractive. And her she'll come to you line vaguely maternal to jinx.
@@mjbakermd414 Sevika is absolutely attractive
Kind of a shame we didn't get to talk about the scene with Jayce and Mel in the process of sleeping together that keeps cutting back to Viktor in pain, but that's way more of a cinematic theory and themes thing then a psychological thing, of course.
(I LITERALLY yelled at my screen the first time I saw that sequence though. Especially the end bit with Mel waking up to an empty bed, that direct cuts to Victor in bed in the exact same position with Jayce next to him. Like "OKAY I active tried hard to see these two as platonic friends you SHOW. You're specifically asking me to think about these three in the context of Jayce's split intimacy and affection damn it! YOU'RE the one making these very direct connections/themes/parallels!"
Like it COULD obviously still be wholly platonic. 100%. But after scenes like that, MAJOR side eye on anyone trying to claim that a queer interpretations would be "out of the blue" or what have you. >.>
(I mean Viktor is pretty much a perfect poster boy for the ways in which ableism, and queer theories of bodily control and identity could intersect already. Disability studies and queer theory are good buddies with each other way more often then one might think. Would love love love to see more specifically trans and chronically ill folk dissect his character arch. =o)
those are really interesting areas to delve into deeper for sure
I actually thought that Viktor saying, "They were asking if I could do the address!" Was just him joking, to emphasize how late Jayce is. No one really recognizes him as Jayce's partner, so he was probably just ignored.
The way Jayce finishes Victors sentence by saying crank it and then Victor goes yes crank it is soo cute i don’t really know why I just know that every time I watch that scene it make sure me ship them so hard
I know they're going form a rift between them, eventually, but I'll remain hopeful that they can still maintain a level of respect for each other, or at least realize that their personal viewpoints aren't the only ways to see things. Bare minimum, I'd at least hope for a sibling-like "I can talk about them, but you're dead meat if you ever do"
Also: "We're partners"
"Not in front of all of them" reads about as straight as a circle, and I'm prepared to die on that hill
“Wait a minute, this isn’t my bedroom!” Like EXCUSE ME, SIR?!
I want to point out that the bridge scene, This is the first time Jayce reaches to actively help Viktor stands up, and it happens not only during an argument, but soon after Viktor's diagnosis. I think beside the clear argument, Viktor might have interpreted it as some kind of pity over his worsening condition.
Jayce and Viktor had a very interesting relationship. They went from becoming partners and friends, into slowly pulling away from each other. Jayce chasing to help people, which results in him making questionable choices with big consequences. While Viktor is more hellbent on progression, and his obsession with experimenting is one of the reasons on why he is pulling away from Jayce. Its such a shame that they will be enemies eventually in the future, but the worst part is that it works. I can't wait to see how season 2 progresses this. Amazing video, as always!
I really liked Jayce’s and Viktor’s dynamic. I feel like in season 2 they can go in so many directions with it. Maybe they’ll spilt up, maybe they will become stronger friends, maybe they will be even more then just friends.
yeah from what i've heard about in-game lore we're going to cry a lot
@@darkacadpresenceinblood whats the game lore
@@lorrainecadiang1494 Viktor goes full on transhumanist and becomes a villain from what i've heard
One thing I feel like you missed is how when he tells Jayce he needs to destroy the hexcore, Jayce looks at his hammer at clearly seems to think Victor means that, not the hexcore.
Oh for the love of God I need more Viktor content
will happen
It's so sad that in the lore,Jayce became more egoistic and boastful and Viktor pursue his "Glorious Evolution".
Makes the series even more tragic than it already is.
This was a fantastic breakdown analysis, this friendship was one of my favourite elements of the show but it got a bit hard to really appreciate it in the midst of all the shipper excess. I love that you point out their different childhood experiences, and Jayce having that innate self-belief vs Viktor having none of that, and the way they work so wonderfully together, and also the cracks in their relationship. Ah, I loved it!
Please do Jayce and Mel when you have the brain space for it, because I think so many underrate that romantic relationship but they were delightful to me, as allies and more.
and i can wear the mel make up again .... may just happen
@@GeorgiaDow Yes please, that and Pepa from Encanto are some of my favourite make up looks you've done so far!
i did pepa
Viktor and Jayce get held up as “cautionary tales of going too fast without caution” but…I disagree. They’re the product of an already desperate situation caused by centuries of exploitation and willful ignorance.
If Jayce took Mel’s Advice over Heimerdinger’s during his progress day speech, even if they couldn’t reverse Viktor’s illness Viktor could’ve at least been at peace with the knowledge that his Dream of helping the undercity was truly becoming achievable. And despite Jayce sometimes making purchases in the undercity, Caitlyn made more of an effort truly Seeing them than he did-Jayce cared deeply about Viktor and wanted to improve lives, but he never spent time there. He was always in the lab up until Mel made him realize if he wanted to keep control over his and Viktor’s technology, he had to tread carefully (which being a councilor gave him the power to do; unfortunately he also got swept up further into Piltover’s classism instead.) And Viktor has always been socially anxious to the point of being a near-isolationist. The only real bonds he made that we know of are with Jayce and Heimerdinger-despite Sky being someone from his same background that he knew since childhood. This had a detriment effect when Viktor’s already shortened lifespine had its timetable moved up, and Jayce got swallowed into Piltover’s Classism (which was NOT Mel’s intention; Heimerdinger preached caution and responsibility, but Heimerdinger’s version was to Piltover’s and Zaun’s detriment. Mel only intended to provide A Way (perhaps not the BEST way for Jayce and Viktor to keep control-moreso Jayce than Viktor, as Jayce is comfortable being the Face so Viktor doesn’t have to. She may not be a scientist, but she’s still as involved as she can be (and sees them to TurnTheShip before Piltover becomes another Noxus-THAT is what she “gets out of it.” No real advantage, just a way to prove ideals WORK.)
Now. Heimerdinger. He’s a Piltover Founder, and has been on its council since its founding. He even admits to Ekko later on that it’d been “some time” since he truly visited Zaun. And for as horrible as Zaun’s Conditions were with Vander and Grayson serving as its protectors with a shaky truce (that Piltover never truly held up, but these two were doing their best) and how much WORSE things got following their deaths with Silco and Marcus in charge of Zaun and the enforcers (but Silco really in charge of Marcus)… Silco reminds us viscerally how BAD Zaun’s Conditions were thanks to Piltover’s “progress”. And that’s all on Heimerdinger. He grew complacent and rolled over to the corruption of the House’s Whims. Caution is for HIS comfort, not to save lives. Even without Jayce and Viktor’s hextech as an available weapon, Heimerdinger’s neglect and Piltover’s blatant exploitation of Zaun is what created those issues to start with. You can’t preach “caution” when you’re already out of time. It just becomes complacency and allowing systematic oppression to persist (and he was there from the start. He didn’t inherit it like Caitlyn did, or benefit indirectly like Jayce did.) Mel, Viktor, and Jayce (initially then relearned the hard way first hand on his raid with Vi) all recognize that-they’ve been out of time for Caution, and Heimerdinger’s Caution only made Piltover wealthier at the detriment of Zaun until it really was too late to avoid full-war verses many violent skirmishes.
I dunno if anyone mentioned this yet but i think the "crank it" scene was supposed to be a nod to the league of legends players. According to the lore, victor actually creates a robot named blitzcrank to help clean up parts of the undercity that was too toxic for humans to go to if i'm not mistaken.
In the scene where Viktor talks about himself not having a patron and simply believing in himself, I think he was trying to encourage Jayce. Although having a patron can offer assistance, you don't really need one to succeed if you work hard for it.
That's how I see it, anyways. Don't mind me, just being a nerd hshshshshs
(had to send this in while it was in my head while watching the video, ignore me hshshshs)
i love your analysis so much, i'm not even sure what to say. i love the relationships in the show, they're so rich and so lacking in cliche, it's very special to me.
i think the difference between their parallel suicide attempts is that viktor has a better understanding of where he picks jayce up, but jayce isn't given the same understanding. i can see the rift forming already (and it's making me anxious) but it's also really beautifully developed.
i really love that they are both able to listen to the other even if that is sometimes hard.
thank you for enjoying it
I would love to see your take on the scene where Jayce confronts the council about all the garbage choices he's made and finally comes clean. It was SO cathartic for me to watch him do that
I think Jayce/Victor and Powder are very similar. They both gain access tragically that they don't completely understand. They both try to roll the dice to get somewhere with it fast. Except Jayce/Victor succeed and Powder accidentally kills her friends. So Jayce/Victor are revered while Jinx is reviled.
I think the biggest issue with Jayce and Viktor is that they come from such radically different places and they talk a lot but they don't really communicate. They're friends and partners but they never actually developed a deeper understanding of each other so when Jayce just decides to delay things or stop production on a whim he doesn't care that it hurts Viktor and makes him feel powerless and when he starts locking down the undercity he doesn't care that he's isolating his partner even more by making him feel like an unwanted outsider while also making sure their inventions won't go to help the people who need it most.
Of course Viktor is also to blame, he never speaks up or tries to get Jayce to reconsider. And given his failing health it was pretty clear he just wanted to leave a mark and rush his research out so that he could witness people from the undercities lives improving within his limited life time. Which is both selfish and noble really.
So many characters in this get screwed over by their own misunderstandings and the unpredictable results of their best intentions
You continue to be a viewpoint I completely agree with, both as someone who has experienced depression and as a student social worker. Thank you so much for the relatable videos, and I always love your interpretations!
Lol. What I love about this series is how they flipped this relationship on its head. Because OG Viktor said that Jayce wasn’t even his friend. Maybe a friendly rival but not much else. 😂 While Jayce said they were friends and Viktor was the only one who related to him. But yeah I’m glad they altered it ☺️❤️❤️
The fact that Arcane decided to give them this bond makes me extremely terrified of how they might tear it apart. Based on what I've read of the original League of Legends lore, this is gonna _hurt_ .
This friendship is so good showing how people are changing, that people can also no longer get along. Friendship saddly can ends because of time.
Preface: This is loosely tied to Jayce and Victor, but it's mostly abt a comment that was mentioned in the vid
For some reason that moment where she said "Jayce is never really afraid to emote or express his sincere feelings, I wish this was something more people did" really hit me in a place and kinda made me feel guilty somehow for not ever being 100% open abt my own emotions...that's been something I've wanted to do for so, so long, but could never fully commit to, I scare myself with "what if's" and stay complacent in a bubble...
I had a really heartfelt convo with a friend of mine in the middle of class, and I got kind of scared for her since she started to cry in that exposed area, but she felt no shame abt it and was comfortable with letting go and allowing herself to really feel what she needed to in the moment. It kinda shocked me, but it made my respect rise 10 fold for her, and it meant so much that she opened up to me in that way - I wish more ppl too, me included, opened up like this.
I wish more would also and maybe we can pave the way for others.
I think it's interesting that Jayce/Victor in episode 3 were gambling on figuring out the secret of the crystal, even though they knew it was premature. At the exact same time, Powder gambled on the crystal to save her friends/family even though it was premature. For Jayce/Hector it paid off and they were heroes. For Powder the outcome was disastrous and she was universally reviled. But both sides made the same decision, with the same risk. It's just that Powder was unlucky while Jayce/Hector were lucky. That's all it took to form a villain out of Powder.
( Sorry, my english is not super good ) I saw both this and Mel's video and I LOVE your reactions. The beautiful thing about Arcane is that all the characters have a wonderful expressiveness, you can see emotions in their faces, they really seems like real people. Now, here in this video you said how emotional Jayce is and I completeley agreed with you, that's why sometimes he seems a bit..off. I'm referring to his relationship with Mel in which she seems to develop a love for him, but they way he looked at her, or talked to her it's..strange, like he's physically with her, but at the same time he seems to be somewhere else. Almost everytime. It's strange because she 's supposed to be his lover, when he said "nothing feels impossible when I'm with you" i didn't felt the emotion in Jayce's words and expression, that was really strange, like if it wasn't totally true. As soon as he interacts again to Viktor his eyes lights up again, and i know he's his best friends and obiously he prefers to talk about science than politics but at the same time..why you don't look this same way at your lover? I never saw the hope in his eyes, or the affection when he looks at Mel, if not in act 1 the first time they interacted and at the end of the series, when they won the vote for the Pace. For me, this is a bit confusing because i can't really understand this situation. What do you think? I would like to see an analysis about this, because i really want to understand better this relationship
i’d beg to differ honestly. the way he looks at her in episode 9 is nothing short of adoring. and the compassion in his voice when she’s vulnerable with him about her family is DEFINITELY present.
I'd love to see your take on Sevika, she's surprisingly hard to read.
Sevika it is
@@GeorgiaDow great! I saw an interesting take on her the other day, about how she is Vi if Vi had been about the Cause, rather than the People, much like the difference between Vander and Silco.
i love all the things you notice!! ^_^ Viktor seemed far more interested in fostering this healthy friendship with him, bonding with Jayce and just caring about him so he wants to live, discover and find passion again. That is so important and we always need our special "someone" we can go to; its so healthy and necessary~ and everyone deserves it. i hope you have all of the love, friends, care, and vibes from people Ms. Georgia; cuz you are the BEST and we're here for it!😁 thank you so much for this!
When I tell you I fucking LEAPED off my bed to watch this on my laptop!!! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
Oh that makes me so happy !!!
Vi and VIktor are very well tied as my favorite character, so please consider doing a whole video about one of them next!
will try to yes
Oh good, maybe I can share this with my sister and she can maybe calm down from her Jayce-hate rage lol
People that hate Jayce are often projecting, I found out.
Your explorations of these characters are very rich! Ifeel like they help me not just as a person but also as an author.
such kind words esp coming from an author
a true friend helps a friend in need that is what a true friend is.
well said
@@GeorgiaDow OHHH MY GOSH! one of my favorite UA-camrs liked my comment thank you. :)
“Wait this isnt my bedroom” never fails to make me laugh becouse the first excuse he made up is that he was trying to Sneak jace into his bedroom lol
I love how you brought to light just how deep the bromance between Jayce and Viktor was and I love all of the arcane discussions you did! They were amazing and you went into such detail and pointed out things that I didn't catch while watching the show. Great job again for another great video :)
If I can make a suggestion, I know that it's really self-explanatory, but I want to hear your view on it, can you break down the movie Coraline???
I just realized that Jayce and Victor mirror Vi and Caitlin.
And I love all the other parallels throughout the series, it is brilliant.
So just need one for Vi. Just need more of my favorite character. Not only just for your amazing analysis, but another awesome cosplay.
okay will do
finally more arcane, im so glad your coming back todo more character stuff, i love your perspective on things, even when i see it differently
more to come
I would love to hear you discuss the divide that Mel puts between Viktor and Jayce, and how Viktor feels jealous of her relationship with Jayce!
Sometimes when i look at Jayce's eyes and face, he just looks so confident, like he have everybody wraped around his finger
Great video! Thanks again for your analysis. Their relationship is very strong and powerful. In the Arcane fan community, there are also many people who would like the two of them to be a couple. I can certainly understand this idea, because their relationship shows bonds that can lead to a strong friendship or even more.
But indeed, I still wonder how Viktor mentally changes due to the hex core. But perhaps it's too early to theorise about this, as it will be explored further in future seasons.
I think these two work best as friends, to be honest. If you watch their interactions more closely, there is only a very specific set of things Jayce can talk to Viktor about and that's their research, however, anytime other matters come up, a conflict arises. They only get along so long as science is their primary drive. There's a reason Jayce goes to Cait or Mel to share his happiness or worries/doubts. Mel is a much better partner for him, in my opinion, she seems way more supportive of him emotionally and especially professionally.
@@hawkins347 I agree, that Jayce and Viktor work best as friends. And good point you make, that they don't have many other things in common apart from science. I just can understand, why people could think there could be more between Jayce and Viktor in some scenes. Perhaps there is potential that is never further explored.
Also Jayce seems very straight due to his relationship with Mel. ;-) I find that relationship to be particularly interesting, because I think that at first Mel just uses her charms to influence Jayce even more (for political matter). But by the end of season 1, especially when her mother shows up, Mel seems to really care for Jayce.
@@Flowery1991 I wouldn't say that being in a straight-presenting relationship means he's straight necessarily because bisexuals and pansexuals exist, but at the very least it doesn't seem like he views Viktor romantically. His interactions with him come off very much like his interactions with Cait to me and we know those are very platonic.
It just seems to me that a relationship with Viktor could potentially be very toxic in the long run. He's very much in Singed's "we can be loners together" mindset, but Jayce isn't a loner. He's an extrovert with a life outside of the lab and Viktor seems to take issue with that and comes off as slightly controlling to me. Especially when their philosophy starts diverging after he becomes a councillor.
Jayce is that touching type of guy. Usually in a men groups it is a sign of confidence. I like how they thought even small gestures through.
our therapist back at it again with arcane!! and the cute cosplay!!! yessss!!!
thanks =)
I love this friendship so much and I'm so worried for them going forwards given what little I know about their source material ;A; Thank you so much for this vid!
season 2
I'd love your insight on Ekko the boy wonder, it's really interesting to me how he is a fight but at the same time a scientist
New comment bc I didn't want to make my last one too long 😅 I never realized what you were saying about how willing everyone in Arcane is to drop their individual causes for people they're close to. I'm sure even Sevika would have done some reeeeeeeckless shit for Silco that wasn't in the best interest of Zaun
I'm not so sure. Sevika makes it clear her loyalty isn't to be presupposed. Sevika believes in the cause, and doesn't care about people. She abandoned Vander when he valued people over the cause, and I think she's considering turning on him because of his attachment, his weakness as she sees it, over Jinx. She decides against it because she's still her best bet - Finn isn't worth defecting to.
"Were you tempted?"
"Not for a worm like him"
@@Sinewmire shit, that's a good point. I would be interested in seeing who, if anyone, Sevika would make a call like that for, but it was still interesting seeing that even Silco had lines he wouldn't cross for Jinx's sake
@@unityedits3722 yeah, it'll be interesting who, if anyone, is capable of taking the reins of the Undercity, and if Sevika can work with them.
@@Sinewmire I think Sevica might become a leader in her own right, after having followed two failed leaders. "If you want it done right, do it yourself". Then again, she might prefer the position of being right-hand woman.
@@lilscenechick1995 yeah, we'll have to see. She certainly doesn't have Silco's subtle touch.
I think maybe you also missed or maybe it wasn't relevant to the video how Viktor was being overshadowed by Jayce I don't think he was entirely ok with it but he was too timid to show it, there was one scene where he is covered up by a cup with Jayces face on it that I think exemplifies this, I think Jayce while has that first inclination to have him along with him it takes very little to get the idea of him like all Viktor says is uhh I dunno. Jayce is the face of progress but they're both the people behind it. It kinda feels like Viktor is being neglected and hidden away even though he is later in the one who is most focused on the work. Idk if I explained it right but I thought that part of their relationship was interesting but not.mentioned.
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@@panda_invention1810 Did you read my comment? I referred to that part of the video, there she said "he doesn't want that at all" and that Jayce is trying to share it, but my point is that just cause Viktor is hesitant it doesn't mean he doesn't want it and just cause Jayce asked once doesn't mean he is doing everything he can to include him, even if he didn't want to do public speaking, just having him there. It was even something they did at the end when he went to speak to the council, he had him with him, but he had to grow to get to that point.
@@SillyNep so you want to hear the full sentences like, 'he has an insecurity complex because he is handicapped' or something that could highlight the importance of brand image to the public, between the lines of: 'it is not a good idea for a handicapped person to be the face of a high-tech brand, not to mention that he is raised in the undercity'. All the cruelties and realities of the world we live in, I guess.
@@panda_invention1810 Dude, did we watch the same show? Yeah maybe it would not be the best received but the point is to do what is right, and if her claim is that he wanted to include him but Viktor just "didn't want to" what relevance does his handicap have? We are talking about their psychology, if Jayce was as determined to include him as the video implied he would have worked on a way to do so, instead he is on the back working hard for the glory Jayce, they started out as equals but Jayce rose to the top and Viktor is hidden away and Jayce is hardly doing anything to help him out of that beyond asking once and nothing else. My point isn't that he should have done this or that, he can be a flawed character, but what I was saying is that that flaw was not acknowledged in this video and I thought it was interesting to discuss it, like, why are you so against the idea of it being brought up?
I don't think Jayce is some kinda villain either I know he is a complex character, but its pointless to pretend that wasn't an aspect of their relationship when the way it was presented was pretty blatant. (Viktor literally in the shadows, the face of the golden boy covering him up completely)
Ps. You know what was also not well received at first? Hextech, the point of their initial goal was to change that paradigm.
@@SillyNep Where is the evidence for viktor wanting to be in the spotlight more because right now I see none of it, Give me one reason viktor would want to gain social acclamation and why he wants to be in front of the public when the public clearly discriminates him and puts him down. Idk man seems kinda unlikely
I've been waiting for this video. It's hard not to get teary-eyed while watching you analyze their beautiful relationship.
thanks
Been waiting for this 👀👀 thanks for uploading
This is such a perfect video!!❤
yes! i’ve been waiting for you to talk about jayce & victor
I'm really loving you Arcane series. It's such a well done show with so much to sift through.
Hearing your voice means a good a day calm day. As always great vid and love the cosplay!
I am getting hooked on these videos, you truly understand the characters and point out the relevant lessons.
season 2 needs to hurry up we need more reactio- i mean cause its a great show......
= )) jinx 3 next up
Man, this is a great video. Not only are there quite a few things I can really relate to, there's the brief conversation about what my professor referred to as "Othering" (the Us v. Them thing...). Always love to find/make so many connections~
I love all your professional insights! Also I just wanna say I love your outfit, such a unique style!
I always love how you seamlessly segue the topic to who was your sponsor for the video in all your videos. It does not break me from the video even if it is at the end. Flawless.
YAY that means so much to me
You really are spoiling us these days!
happy you feel that way
AAAAAAAAh,such an amazing video!!! Thank you for the vid!!!
welcome !!
I love that you share the same admiration towards the series like for example me, and really glad you haven't stopped creating this amazing explanation videos. I hope more will come in the future about Arcane, so many little characters are in this world, so many human interactions, reactions, emotions. This series made amazing job, as well as you pointing us what worth listening to. Thank you
jinx 3 next
Everytime I watch one of your videos I always feel like you just see right through me you are really good at your job :)
aww thanks
I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for this!!!!!!!
Yay it is now here
Great video! Thanks again
My pleasure!
Awesome video, Georgia! It's been a while since I've watched Arcane, but I love watching your reactions. Not only do they help me watch some great scenes again, they also help me see the beauty of the show. You did such a nice job discussing Jayce and Viktor's friendship - especially the understanding they both have of each other and the parallels at the end. I also think it's wonderful how Jayce is a super feeler (I can relate to that and to how you respond emotionally to the videos). And I didn't think as much about it, but you're right - in Arcane, so many have put their close bonds as most important and ahead of so many other things. The show does such a great job at showing relationships and emotions and nonverbal communication too. It's an awesome show. And your reactions are great. Wonderful cosplay too :) and I hope you have a wonderful day! :).
Thank you Alex I appreciate the time and thought you placed in your comment
@@GeorgiaDow My pleasure :). You make great videos and they make me think. :) Keep up the amazing work :). :)
I know this is a very strange request since I don’t believe it’ll be requested, but there’s this show on Netflix that I’ve recently started watching called Kotoro Lives Alone. It was just added and its about this little kindergarten boy who moved into an apartment and his neighbors take care of him in small ways since its implied that his parents essentially passed away. In a very small stressful moment in my life I watched this show and it was one of the few things that kept my mood pretty positive since its a slice of life and even though it gets deep a few times it never turns dark. Anyways, if you have time I’d really enjoy you reviewing some of the characters relationships together specifically the one kotaro has with his male neighbor that in a since acts like a father figure.
Taking the time to appreciate Georgia's outfit matches for whatever video she's covering.
means so much you notice it