I had a best friend who threatened to blow my head off because I voted trump. I felt the light of Satan come from her. I cut her off. We were great friends for 10 years prior.
@@nesq4104 Wow, I'm sorry that happened! I had an old college friend who contacted me every few years. I realize now it was always about her wanting me to help support her financially, although I was struggling to be independent due to a disability. I felt sorry for her when she said she was going through a divorce and couldn't pay the mortgage on her house nor for basic needs. So, I helped her although my health was declining, I soon lost my job, and I was already living in low-income housing. I eventually allowed her to come stay with me temporarily, which was a HUGE mistake. I thought I'd never get her to leave, and she was claiming my belongings for her own. She was creeeepy and I didn't know what she was capable of. I finally wrote her off as a friend, but the emotional scars are still there. People we think are our friends can be our worst enemies.
@@polkadots716 oh yes. We never know what's lurking in the heart and soul of another person. Its sad but some are psychopaths or they just snap due to life's pressures. When I say I experienced the light of Satan from my friend I really mean I experienced the light of Satan through her. Its real. I experienced the light of God, warm and amber, overflowing with love and abundance. But the light of Satan from her was white, and empty and dead. It really made me feel like I could fall over and die. It was an energy I felt from Her cursing me out over my vote and blaming me for everything wrong in usa because of it. I said to people I felt like she could kill me. 2 years later she verbalized during that rant of hers (on thanksgiving) that she wanted to blow my head off. Well when she said that it confirmed everything I felt on a spiritual level. Dont doubt your instincts.But lesson learned just because you had a great relationship with someone doesn't mean they can't snap inside and physically hurt you. I'm glad you could cut her off. Now you know why she was getting a divorce.. lol.. the emotion of letting that person go hurts inside but With the type of mental illness going around when someone says something you better listen and remove yourself or them.
Tell my family that. So verbally abusive I just cut ties. So I now only have my siblings, their spouses, my niec, my nephew, and most importantly my amazing mom ❤❤ I have my dad too, just in my heart and mind unfortunately bcuz I lost him when I was 18 to pancreatic cancer ( I'm 34 now) and it still hurts even after 16 years ( 16 years was June 17th... he passed on father's day the year he died 💔😢❤❤)... that's the only family I need and I'm so grateful for them ❤❤❤🙏🙏❤❤❤
Brandy B.~ I agree 100% but it's not always that simple especially if that member is completely dependent on their family for food and/or shelter. Not making excuses at all cuz this entire situation is sad as hell! But, you know what they say... your own family will do you in sooner than a complete stranger!!!
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So sad for this lady. My Dad physically and emotionally abused me all through my childhood and adolescent years. He broke my hand and tried to strangle me, whilst my Mum stood by and did nothing to stop or report it. I left home at 17, and at 27 tried to re-connect with them, and within a short time my father physically assaulted me as an adult. That was it; I cut all ties, and I'm almost 50, and my parents are both out of my life. Best thing I ever did, and I was able to have a normal, law-abiding, productive, gainfully employed life.
My family Dynamic was the same way my father was very abusive my mother stood by wouldn't do anything about it. I have now studied their minds extensively and have learned they were both narcissist although my father was a higher level of a narcissist and my mother was codependent. Also my father was a psychopath.
They did a welfare check, but went away when nobody opened the door??? Well, that was the whole point of the welfare check, nobody answered the door.....
Another failure of the police & elder & disabled care officials. They make is very hard to protect anyone even if they have gotten heads up things are not right. I've seen them refuse to investigate things that ended badly!
@Towely Smokes YOU ARE WRONG! Police were not allowed to break down the door, learn the laws. Who should have investigated was family or ELDER ABUSE AUTHORITY.
Well said she doesn’t deserve that what’s wrong with people that was her sister so you know what a stranger would get hum god bless this world 🌎 please in Jesus name amen 🙏🏽
@@TheOneLawgiverHolyGod , Karen had a death wish ??? It is also written “judge thee not” !!! The poor woman has been murdered and you judge ?!?!?!? 🤦🏼♀️
@@livingauthenticallyonmyownterm ,Greetings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! It is written... for all to know the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ to "HISSSSSSS" disciples how to walk towards one another!!! Amen!!! The world was not standing before "Him" but the disciples of Christ!!! Amen!!! The Lord was not teaching devils to not judge, but "His" disciples, not to judge fellow disciples!!! Amen!!! So stop wresting the scriptures that you understand not!!! Amen!!! Most people who want to liveeeeeee, flee threats to their lives, they don't need to be told to defend themselves against such threats or to be proactive to preserve themselves!!! Amen!!! The dumb woman was prophesying her death at the hands of a relative!!! Amen!!! Her loving friends who Holy God had in her life were counseling her to save/preserve her own life and she rejected and cast off their pleadings!!! Amen!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! The woman was a sitting duck, willingly or was the spirit of Jack Daniels possessing her??? HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO??? The word of the Holy God comes to save/preserve one from their sins/thoughts of foolishness!!! Amen!!! Her time was up and her appointed day came and she has now been taken from the earth, just as the scriptures warn!!! Amen!!! Anytime one rejects the truth time and time again, one is already doomed!!! Amen!!! The friends knew and now "KNOWWWWW" it was foolish of her not to heed their advice and all the evidence her very life was in danger!!! Amen!!! In another place it is written...smite the scorner so the simple will beware eeeeeeee!!! Amen!!! I see their are many on this thread who are heeding the warning of have no respect of persons when it comes to "EVILLLLL!!! Amen!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOO!!! She knew of her sister's past hate towards her and her family and allowed that woman to possess a weapon under their roof!!! HELLOOOOOO!!! From the comments, many are taking heed to this matter, rightfully SOOOOO, being the cause the prisons and jails and "HELLLLL" ARE FULL OF CRIMINALS WHO ARE ALL SOMEONE'S KINFOLKKKKK!!! AMEN!!! HELL IS NOT VOIDDDD, BUT ENLARGES HERSELF DAILY...AMEN!!! AMEN!!! WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, I HAVE WRITTEN, IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND NOT ONE WORD SHALL BE TAKEN BACK, NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE EITHER!!! AMEN!!! HEAVEN IS NOT MOVED WHEN SINNERS DIE AND OR TAKEN FROM THE EARTH!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HAVE COME TO SAVE/PRESERVE ALL THOSE WHO WANTS TO BE SAVED/PRESERVED FROM "THEIR" SINS, NOT THEIR NEIGHBORS SIN OR THEIR KINFOLK SINS/THOUGHTS OF FOOLISHNESSSS, BUT "THEIR/YOUR'S OWN SINS!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! FOR ALL ARE ALREADY JUDGED AND ALL HAVE AND SHALL SURELY GO THE WAY " IT IS WRITTEN OF THEM!!!" THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAID THIS OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH, AND ALL WHO ARE KNOWN OF "HIM" KNOWS WHAT IS WRITTEN AND WHAT HE HAS INDEED SAID...WHY IS IT YOU DON'T KNOW, TIME AND TRUTH STOPS FOR NO ONE...
I will NEVER understand why a person will tolerate the most heinous behavior from a relative who is supposed to LOVE you, but cut off in a heartbeat a "friend" for less. My mothers' sisters were wretched women and quite vindictive and cruel, yet my mom would forgive time and time again.
Those type of people tend to "shame" their victim into giving them whatever they want. When the victim finally has enough and begins denying the person what they want, the person becomes hostile. Usually by then the person has gained a lot of control over the victim.
I'm so sorry this lady allowed her sister to abuse her & ultimately murder her. Oftentimes family is *not* everything & it's more than ok to cut ties with them!! Also, there's a fine line between loving & enabling & by allowing her evil sister to live with her rent free & unemployed, she was basically enabling her. She's a grown woman!! She should have been forced to leave long ago!!
@@RY-os9vw im not lol truthfully most situations can be mended, we are a coward society and like to run away from issues instead of solve it but in certain situations i would have to say, if you see signs of a killer nearby id just cut them off and run away... but blood is thicker than water they say at the end of the day, generally that holds true.
We have been given CHOICE ....WE choose to or not to ....she knew she was one day going to kill her...why ? Because she told her friends multiple times ..who says that? Because she knew it would be her undoing keeping her there .. she had to have threatened her over and over again with murder.
It's called domestic violence. It is the most stickiest and trickiest violence there is. She knew her sister could hurt her but she didn't truly believe she would.
She was naive. She chose to allow her sister to stay there. She could have call the law and had her sister put out but sadly she knew her Fate and allowed it.
"She blamed me for everything wrong in her life" LET THOSE WORDS BE A SIGN. A YOUNG PERSON THAT DOES THIS CAN POSSIBLY CHANGE BUT IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY THIS CAN BE THE RESULT
This is what can happen when you have a family member who is always blaming the world for their failings and feel entitled to be taken care by someone else w/o taking any responsibility for their own life. An angry jealous and lazy woman is what Karen had for a sister. Be aware of people like this and don't take them in no matter what b/c it's not your obligation to take care of lazy people. At that age she should have been on SSI and on low income housing instead of leeching on someone else.
Oh, that's absolutely true, but it's also her sister's fault, unfortunately, her sister let this happen, she could have gotten her out of her house, but for some reason, she didn't want to her friends said that they told her to get her out, but she wouldn't do it, she definitely enabled her, and they both said horrible things to each other. Unfortunately, Karen knew what her sister was planning and didn't stop her, I blame her for her own murder because it is partly her fault yes, that sounds mean, but she knew, and she didn't kick her out. I mean, I'm sorry, but she knew what her sister was capable of, I feel really bad for Karen, but these 2 women we're really sick together in real life, both of them are to blame.
@@joywalker4918 Your are right, but then again, we don't really know what was going on in her mind. Some people want to love and hold on to hope that their family members will change and come to their censes but sometimes for some it doesn't happen. Good people always hope for change and Karen surely wore her heart on her sleeve.
@@marilynv6224 You're right, some people do think their family can change, I was one of them but her sisters always been this way. These were elderly women, so honestly, Karen had to know that her sister was never going to change, know, I know it might seem like I'm going to hard, but I come from a very, very dysfunctional family, my own family members abused me and they thought that I would be ok with it and that I should always love them, but I went a different direction because I wasn't going to allow my own family to hurt me when I'm an adult, but with these 2, I think they've always spoke hateful to each other, especially with the friends saying that, they said, horrible and horrific things to each other, and sometimes 2 siblings like this can thrive off of the drama, no, I don't agree with what her sister did at all, you don't ever kill anybody it's obvious that Debra was and is mentally ill so her sister could have probably put her in a mental facility or she could have checked her in to a mental facility for 7 days to be evaluated. If she would have done that, she probably would be alive today because the mental facility would have known that she was serious about hurting her sister, I just think the both of them are to blame for what happened, and I don't necessarily think that Karen was some angel, something else was going on here. It had to be 2 sisters who always probably hated each other, and I know everybody is gonna say, how can I say that well, because I've been through these types of things. I've seen it in my own family, but I don't have a relationship with my family because they're like this, I decided to be a better person, and Karen could have decided that too. But for some reason she didn't so maybe she had a mental illness, too but Debra was wrong I'm just not sure if she should be in prison or a mental health facility other prison..
@@marilynv6224 oh, and even though her friends are saying that Karen wore her heart on her sleeve, doesn't mean she actually did, I did the exact same thing and all they did was continue to beat me molest me and other things until I left I didn't let my past define my future I left it all in the past I'm a great mom my kids were raised great I'm proud of who I am and what I've overcome she could have done the same thing she wasn't helpless look at what she told her friends but still stayed in the same house that says a lot sorry for the long message..
The hole was only 2 feet....she wasn't handicap, just overweight and a little slow....i personally saw nothing that would keep her from digging a 2 feet hole...she knew she had to cover her trail.... she did what she had to...😈💯
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I have a couple of close relatives who blame everyone else for their mistakes. These people get worse with age, they will harm you one way or another, and it's best to go no-contact with them. They cannot be helped as long as their minds are closed to honest self-examination.
Me too...people like that are everywhere...don't take accountability for their own mistakes and if they aren't your family they are your friends or neighbors or boyfriend/partner/spouse.
J- my mother needs to open her mind to examine herself honestly to see where she is wrong instead of blaming everyone else for her lack of patience, compassion and understanding. My grandma was like that when she had altheimerz but my mom has always been like that...she gaslights me and other people and projects her insecurities and shortcomings on others as well.
She never worked in all her life so no SS for her .. Elderly Housing is nearly unobtainable .. Her sister was an angel to put her up and pay her way.. the fact that she killed her is simply heinous ..
@@ecuadorexpat8558 ...she did have a work history, the husband explained it!!! She was troubled long time and no one took note to be proactive to get the woman evaluated, even though man is not the healer!!! Amen!!! The woman needed the salvation which is in Christ and Christ only!!! Amen!!! Obviously very demented soul, not even her own fault, just the truth of the fallen nature!!! Amen!!!
Real friends don't just "listen" I'm not blaming her friends at all. Its a message to ppl who feel friends should remain silent. Love is an action. The word Care is an adjective.
Well, you can't blame her friends because they're blameless, they pretty much begged Karen to get her sister out of there, but she wouldn't, so this is also her sister's fault, at least partly, you heard what they said, they said that both of them said horrible things to each other Karen knew, her sister threatened her life and she let her continue staying there that tells me they were both mentally ill and both of them stayed in this toxic relationship it's both of their faults that this happened, and it didn't have to happen Karen should have got her out of the house it's both of their faults..
@@thepurpleadvocatenewschann1666 No she didn't, but she did implie it. I don't know how you don't see that it was like, she's being a little passive aggressive about it. Read it again she said real friends don't just listen so she definitely implied it..
I could see this happening, I have three sisters, one deceased and killing me would be nothing for them to do. I have been threaten and told they never liked you and wish I was dead. Close and distant relatives know about the hatred. Thank to my mother, this is how they were raised because I had a different father.
I am so sorry girl 😕. me and my sister also have different fathers, and would rarely speak until both of our fathers had passed away. we’ve grown closer because we’ve realized what kept us apart then is the only thing holding us together now. I hope things get better luv. you’re important, love you doll. pray for better days, we’ll make it out. don’t ever let their words make you question yourself or your worth.
Morning Sarah and Calise I'm Sending both you ladies love and encouragement. I also experienced sibling rivalry and have been loving myself and others more because of what family could do!! We gotta Forgive them y'all pray for em and watch God work it out
I had 10 deaths, later my ex husband found dead b his lover. Suddenly w ex mother law who began feeding sickness to her only g child, then my daughter inform me I will not to hated b all, like u. At work I was stalked harassed sexual harassed made to retire @ 52. My boss at one time had kept n touch w m ex mother law.
You strong courageous women are not alone. Sending positive energy , non judgement and understanding. Sometimes it's best to just focus on improving our lives instead of longing for love . Which we probably would never get. Don't get me wrong I have wished that I could fix it but I can't. 🦋🦋🦋
Seeing what an effort it took her just to walk the dog makes me wonder how on earth she managed to dig the grave and move her sister's body to it. Unless she made her sister dig it at gunpoint and killed her out there ...
Actually that's not true I'm disabled and I'm in a wheelchair, I can walk a little bit, but let me tell you something when we are determined about something, we can get it done so just because she walks that way and appears weak, really doesn't mean much, and not only that, the hole was not big, she was able to do it because I could have done it, it might would have took some time, but yeah, she definitely could have did it. You can't always think that when a person is disabled, they can't do certain things they can, it just takes a little bit of time.
@@2anthro Umm ok, now it's not like, I think about these things, but I am thinking about it, since you're wondering how she could have done it for me being in a wheelchair, I could grab a shovel and start digging, actually, from my wheelchair, you got to remember she was barely even covered up, she didn't go down far, and she is walking, so she's more than capable of doing it, she could have done it a little bit over time because it took 2 days before she was found, it would have been a little bit hard on me to do it, but I still would have been able to, after all, I still help out in my garden and she could honestly sit in a regular chair and do it, I know it might seem like it can't happen, but I guarantee you, it definitely can it's a lot easier than people think, especially when you put your mind to it, but she didn't dig down far at all, and her sister wasn't completely covered, it's awful what she did but it was both of their faults in my opinion, because Karen knew how much her sister hated her, and they both said horrible things to each other. Their relationship has probably always been like this, Karen wouldn't make her leave her home when she could have, so I do think that it also partly Karen's fault, she should have made her leave, but for some reason. She didn't both of them hated each other something was mentally wrong with both of them honestly Debra seems mentally ill.. But that's no excuse..
So sad, she made a choice, family comes first. It’s possible she told her mom before she died that she would look after her sister, she didn’t want to let her down. I think she was also tired, it was easier than kicking her out or moving out herself, she resigned herself for whatever happened.
I had a sister just like her and God took her out of my life last year. I loved her but I have so much relief that I don't have that drama anymore. I'm sorry for Karen that she got the worst end of their situation.
@@helenheard3512 I almost wondered that she was so obese I find it hard to believe she managed that- I suppose she could have done it over as few days.
It seems like to me everyone knew Debra was mean, violent & knew she threatened to kill Karen but yet no one did a thing. Poor Karen had too big of a heart ❤ my she finally have peace. Rip 🙏 🕊
You really can't blame her friends because they talked to her and told her to get her out of the house what were they supposed to do, make her get rid of her sister? No she wasn't gonna do that even though her sister did this, and it's horrible, the truth is, Karen knew her sister was dangerous and didn't do anything about it, so she's actually partly to blame, yes, I know that sounds horrible, but she told everybody if something happened to her, it was her sister, so she does shoulder part of the blame, she knew that her sister wanted her dead and she still lived with her it it seems to me they were both sick, and you heard what her friends said they both said horrible and horrific things to each other, so it wasn't up to her friends, it was up to her she kind of chose what was going to happen to her..
@@joywalker4918 no I agree it wasn't up to her friends because obviously she wasn't going to listen & telling someone to leave or have the other person leave isn't enough to say 🙄 I mean who thinks that their sister is going to kill you? My point was the fact that all her friends are doing alot of talking now after the fact, especially for this show. I've been in a very abusive marriage with 3 small kids & I wish my friends would have called police, showed me ways to get out, helped me etc. I finally got away because of my kids, I didn't want them to be like him or end up with spouses like him.. I'm so good now, remarried for 15 yrs 1 child together ❤ but staying quite isn't right either. Its a very slippery slope.
@@shannongeorgiapeach76 Well, I do understand exactly what you mean growing up, I was mentally, physically and sexually abused, I didn't have anybody to help me back then, but I did meet my best friend and sister in life and she helped me get through so much, my mother went through a very abusive relationship to where she had to go to another state without me and my sister, there was a lot more involved, which I'm sure, you know, because you've been through it, and this was back in the 70s. I don't know how old you were, but things were really bad back then we do have better safe houses now, and programs but we don't have enough when it comes to people having domestic violence in their lives, and I'm so sorry, you and the kids had to go through that, and I wish that you would have had a champion back then. I'm glad that you've been happily married for 15 years, that is absolutely amazing I'm with my husband now for 30 years, and I found a man who really taught me that men can be wonderful and sweet, and I'm sure you know that with your husband, I'm really happy for you and I get what you're saying have a wonderful day, Hun.
@@joywalker4918 wow, thank you for sharing your story. I'm 45 yrs old & I do know back in the day women had no help out there, police would not do a thing. Even today its hard, its better but we still need more. As far as shelters, I know I didn't want to take myself & kids there. It was in a very rough area of Houston (were I lived from age 6 till a few years after divorce at age 30) I moved back to my birthplace where my extended family lives (Chattanooga & North Ga. area) Started a new life here. I just wish there was more resources available to women. I'm so sorry for what you & your mom went through. Thats the cycle you try to prevent your kids from following. I have 2 daughters age 21 & 24 who have struggled in their 1st serious relationships. Luckily with my help they were able to get away. My oldest daughter is now married to a great man. My 21 year old daughter is not dating, shes going to school & work. My boys are 19 & 14. The 3 oldest kids are from my ex,their father and I got together when I was 16, i left him in 2005 when I was 29. He remarried twice then divorced from both & had 3 more kids from those marriages. We were still friendly with each other, he would call every few months to see how i was doing, always flirted & several times would cry & express how sorry he was. He grew up in a very violent home with physical, mental & sexual abuse. I know he was remorseful but he was who he was unfortunately. Last year, He was living with a girlfriend, they had been together about a year. Him & his girlfriend came from Houston to North Ga for our oldest daughters wedding last June & then last November, I received a call the he shot himself committed suicide. It's devastating & my kids are really suffering. We are doing better as time passes but last Sunday was really hard for them being the 1st fathers day without him. Its crazy the suffering people go through in life that others don't know. I'm sharing this because you shared your story & Someone suggested that I find a therapist that deals with Trama for me & my kids. I want to pass that along to you. I obviously still struggle & have some PTSD too, I'm sure you know exactly what I mean.But I'm safe & 😊 happy with my hubby. I'm so happy to hear that you have been remarriedfor 30yrs I know exactly what you ment when you said you know what its like to have a man treat you right Amen to that. I really pray 🙏 that you stay blessed & the rest of your life is beautiful 🌹 we are not victims of our past, we are survivors who are alive & we will be ok. * Exhale thank you 😊
This is what happens when you mean well and think you’re helping a family member and it backfires due to enabling. The more you do for them . They expect you to continue. The relationship is not there, it’s only “what you can provide “ for them. Best to let them be responsible for themselves and get on with your own life.
@@loopthetube Too bad she didn't put it up for sale and make her move. She could have purchased another one nearby and been free of her freeloading sister.
I'm glad to hear that Karen had such beautiful, close & wonderful friends in her life! If it wasn't for them who knows how long debbie could've got away with murder. And thanks to Don to traveling to Florida to assist Karen's friends in cleaning up her estate. What a nice man. Glad he wasn't killed also.
My brother threatened to have me beat up if I didn't give him money. I wouldn't let him in when he came with some guys but later I heard he was in the mental hospital. He has since passed away
Ok but if she was that lazy… who dug that hole? She doesn’t seem capable of digging a hole that big, it takes a lot of leg/arm strength, balance and power to dig a hole big enough to fit a body. She never worked a day in her life apparently so…?
My mother robbed me blind while I was at a difficult time - I don’t have a mother anymore! ( I ghosted her, blocked on social media, no phone number and moved house, not anything criminal 😂)
@@BellaLeoLicorice i have 1 sister who was cruel to me since we were kid's. We don't speak since our parents passed away , sad you didn't have a sister but you can't always get lucky to have a good one unfortunately.
They're probably so jealous of you because you're living life not being bitter, you're willing to put the work in to get your desired results and people gravitate towards you and love you.
We knew Karen. She was a loving person with a VERY strong sense of family. She loved and took care of her parents and bought them the house. When her father died, she bought his share of the house. She took care of and deeply loved her mother (sacrificing of her own relationship). She loved her nephew as well. She was a very caring person who unfortunately put her family above herself.
I have manic depression but also a childhood full of abuse and neglect... I stay far away from my family. There's too much mistrust for me to get close to them. But honestly it's very hard being a black sheep. But I guess my distance protects what little sanity I have left.
you cant trust family..i learned that 20yrs ago thats how long ive not been involved with my family they are truly worst than strangers in the streets..i never looked back this is sad
This is very much like my sister who has been jealous of me since I was little. Later when I became a world traveler she was extremely jealous. She steals from everyone and I have no doubt that she would kill me to keep any retirement that I might have
Pam, you should move far away enough to be safe. I have never understood jealousy of a sibling. I would rejoice to see a family member doing well. What ever happen to being proud of a sibling who does well?
Keep her at distance and make sure you have a will that states what you want done with your assets so there is no dispute later. Have a weapon like a taser or something handy in case you ever need it from her or anyone else. Always be prepared.
Such a sad story. People please try to stand up to your family members. You are not obligated to help them or keep in touch with them if they are toxic. You don't have to take any kind of abuse from family. If family does foul things, move on and protect your mental, physical, and spiritual space. Forgiveness does not mean reconciliation all the time.
The cruelest things are usually done by our family or the people we think love us. I don't trust anyone in my family after years of being used by them. I no longer speak to them and my life has never been better. It is a shame that this sister couldn't have seen what her other sister was like before he life was taken from her.
Debra was mentally disturbed long before she committed THIS murder. All of the signs WERE THERE. Moral of this story: Being nice and putting up with your relative's BS is not always the "right" thing to do because you just might end up dead.
Cain and Abel... this has been going on forever. Just be they’re your sibling, doesn’t always mean their your friend. God bless the family and friends 🙏🏻
I like your wisdom on this. Consider the comments of many people asking why can a family/siblings do that...but once u made reference to The Bible by stating Cain who killed Abel, I think u answered all the questions. God bless you Dear. The Bible Answers every question
Second degree? The lady had acquired a gun and made multiple death threats, then followed through, sounds like plenty of pre-planning and meditation to me.
I’m guessing that digging her sisters grave was the only manual labor she has ever done in her life! Such a sad story! I am blessed to have a wonderful relationship with my sister❤️
The safest thing for Karen would have been to disconnect completely from Debra, just as Debra’s ex-husband was forced to do. Karen would be alive today living a great life, caring for her friends, who are family to her. Every covert narcissist or psychopath has a family, and we all know families are not always healthy or safe.
A lot of people don’t think brothers or sister can’t hurt them cause they are blood jealousy can’t make people do anything of you know a person is jealous keep them away
Yep, 11 great years and more to come since I dropped my toxic Sister, Brother and Mother. Mother was the worst. Brother and Sister just learned from Her.
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic I did not need to add to the 100s of omments already posted about the sister. I want to make sure the dog is safe also and did not end up in the hole like her sister.
I just left it all behind and moved across county in 1993 to California. Best thing I ever did. Able to break family horrific patterns. I call and visit once a year.
Have an incredibly abusive and dishonest older sister. Thief, liar, abusive to my mom, whom she drained hundreds of thousands of dollars from. Recently she has been reaching out to me and my other sisters because her husband is ill. None of us want anything to do with her. She went out of her way to destroy our childhoods and tried to keep the terror campaign throughout adulthood. She was extremely violent when younger. Broke a hard cover book over my head, broke my nose, stole all the jewelry my mother had given me, hit me with her car when I was standing on our driveway, etc. And that's just what she did to me. I would never allow her into my home. Ever.
You are not obligated to maintain toxic family ties.
I had a best friend who threatened to blow my head off because I voted trump. I felt the light of Satan come from her. I cut her off. We were great friends for 10 years prior.
@@nesq4104 Wow, I'm sorry that happened! I had an old college friend who contacted me every few years. I realize now it was always about her wanting me to help support her financially, although I was struggling to be independent due to a disability. I felt sorry for her when she said she was going through a divorce and couldn't pay the mortgage on her house nor for basic needs. So, I helped her although my health was declining, I soon lost my job, and I was already living in low-income housing. I eventually allowed her to come stay with me temporarily, which was a HUGE mistake. I thought I'd never get her to leave, and she was claiming my belongings for her own. She was creeeepy and I didn't know what she was capable of. I finally wrote her off as a friend, but the emotional scars are still there. People we think are our friends can be our worst enemies.
@@polkadots716 oh yes. We never know what's lurking in the heart and soul of another person. Its sad but some are psychopaths or they just snap due to life's pressures. When I say I experienced the light of Satan from my friend I really mean I experienced the light of Satan through her. Its real. I experienced the light of God, warm and amber, overflowing with love and abundance. But the light of Satan from her was white, and empty and dead. It really made me feel like I could fall over and die. It was an energy I felt from Her cursing me out over my vote and blaming me for everything wrong in usa because of it. I said to people I felt like she could kill me. 2 years later she verbalized during that rant of hers (on thanksgiving) that she wanted to blow my head off. Well when she said that it confirmed everything I felt on a spiritual level. Dont doubt your instincts.But lesson learned just because you had a great relationship with someone doesn't mean they can't snap inside and physically hurt you. I'm glad you could cut her off. Now you know why she was getting a divorce.. lol.. the emotion of letting that person go hurts inside but With the type of mental illness going around when someone says something you better listen and remove yourself or them.
My oldest daughter abused me so much that I had to stop seeing her.
@@nesq4104 That's not a friend.I am not a Trump fan but you didn't deserve that.Stay safe.
People have to learn that you don't have to take abuse from people because they are family.
Swear to God ‼️‼️‼️ Say This Again‼️
Tell my family that. So verbally abusive I just cut ties. So I now only have my siblings, their spouses, my niec, my nephew, and most importantly my amazing mom ❤❤ I have my dad too, just in my heart and mind unfortunately bcuz I lost him when I was 18 to pancreatic cancer ( I'm 34 now) and it still hurts even after 16 years ( 16 years was June 17th... he passed on father's day the year he died 💔😢❤❤)... that's the only family I need and I'm so grateful for them ❤❤❤🙏🙏❤❤❤
Brandy B.~ I agree 100% but it's not always that simple especially if that member is completely dependent on their family for food and/or shelter. Not making excuses at all cuz this entire situation is sad as hell! But, you know what they say... your own family will do you in sooner than a complete stranger!!!
@@bellacalienda1580 ...the Lord Jesus Christ is the "ONE" who sticks closer than a brother, one can take this straight to the bank...for I am a living witnessssss!!! Amen!!! THANK YOU LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR COMING AND DYING FOR MEEEEEE, AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! HOLY GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE SENT HISSSSSS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON AND THIS SON TRULY DID AND HAVE COME TO BE ONE'S ALL AND ALLLLLLLL BOTH NOW AND FOREVERRRRRR...
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! ONE OWES THEIR ALLEGIANCE TO HOLY GOD ONLY, THE ONE THAT SO LOVED THE WORLD HE SENT THE ONE WHO IS EVERYTHING ONE NEEDS...FOR IT IS WRITTEN "WHENNNNNNNNN" MOTHER AND FATHER PUT YOU DOWN, "HE" WILLLLLLL LIFT YOU UPPPPPPPP!!! AMEN!!GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! GLORYYYYYY HALLE-LU-JAH!!! I...AM...A...LIVING... WITNESS...HE...SHALL...DO...ALL...THAT...HE...PROMISES...FOR...IT...IS... IMPOSSIBLE...FOR...HIM...TO...LIE!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!!
So sad for this lady. My Dad physically and emotionally abused me all through my childhood and adolescent years. He broke my hand and tried to strangle me, whilst my Mum stood by and did nothing to stop or report it. I left home at 17, and at 27 tried to re-connect with them, and within a short time my father physically assaulted me as an adult. That was it; I cut all ties, and I'm almost 50, and my parents are both out of my life. Best thing I ever did, and I was able to have a normal, law-abiding, productive, gainfully employed life.
It's amazing how long people put up with what is not normal. Glad you got out!
I am so so sorry for your horrible, unimaginably painful experience. I am glad you cut all ties. I am so sorry your mother didn't protect you. 😪🤬🤬
Well done friend!
Im so sorry. U are strong
My family Dynamic was the same way my father was very abusive my mother stood by wouldn't do anything about it. I have now studied their minds extensively and have learned they were both narcissist although my father was a higher level of a narcissist and my mother was codependent. Also my father was a psychopath.
This proves once again that friends can be more like family than the one you're born into.
True saying. Not all blood is family and not family is blood
@Rob You That's great.
@Ezell Broome Why should we?
@Rob You
That’s good!
@Ezell Broome
You first.
Debra would have been homeless a long time ago. Sometimes family can be your worst enemy.
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For sure
Just told that to my little cousin, family can be jealous and love to see you down.
Yes child let me tell you .the way some family act is why I just won't let some people move in with me
@@kimbermichelle3922 this right here
This is the reason I have not seen my brothers in 46 years! Stay away from toxic, narcissist people or end up dead!
I don't blame you.
Agree, same here
Amen !!
Exactly!
Well said. My family is toxic as well. I have nothing to do with my family.
They did a welfare check, but went away when nobody opened the door??? Well, that was the whole point of the welfare check, nobody answered the door.....
Another failure of the police & elder & disabled care officials. They make is very hard to protect anyone even if they have gotten heads up things are not right. I've seen them refuse to investigate things that ended badly!
These idiots are about to win the race tho
IKR!!!?? ugh
@Towely Smokes YOU ARE WRONG! Police were not allowed to break down the door, learn the laws. Who should have investigated was family or ELDER ABUSE AUTHORITY.
@@alicephillips3214 The people who make these ridiculous rules are to blame. The police have to abide by them.
Well now her sister will no longer have to worry about food, housing, medical attention, as the prison will provide for her for the rest of her life.
rite..she is just a sad human being..why hurt someone that helped you..
😰😰, I can't go the malls anymore, can't go to the park either, I'll just embrace the steel bars of the prison.
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THE TAX PAYER.
Well said she doesn’t deserve that what’s wrong with people that was her sister so you know what a stranger would get hum god bless this world 🌎 please in Jesus name amen 🙏🏽
I’m frightened of my twin, seriously 😐
RIP to Karen, who was an obvious kind and loving soul. Incredibly sad.
This is so sad! Karen’s friends looked like they loved to have a good time!! They were her true sisters!
yes. exactly. sometimes blood ain't thicker than water.
@@kenyettaready ....it is written one's foes shall be of one's own household!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Karen had a death wish...
@@TheOneLawgiverHolyGod , Karen had a death wish ??? It is also written “judge thee not” !!! The poor woman has been murdered and you judge ?!?!?!? 🤦🏼♀️
@@livingauthenticallyonmyownterm ,Greetings to you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! It is written... for all to know the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ to "HISSSSSSS" disciples how to walk towards one another!!! Amen!!! The world was not standing before "Him" but the disciples of Christ!!! Amen!!! The Lord was not teaching devils to not judge, but "His" disciples, not to judge fellow disciples!!! Amen!!! So stop wresting the scriptures that you understand not!!! Amen!!! Most people who want to liveeeeeee, flee threats to their lives, they don't need to be told to defend themselves against such threats or to be proactive to preserve themselves!!! Amen!!! The dumb woman was prophesying her death at the hands of a relative!!! Amen!!! Her loving friends who Holy God had in her life were counseling her to save/preserve her own life and she rejected and cast off their pleadings!!! Amen!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! The woman was a sitting duck, willingly or was the spirit of Jack Daniels possessing her??? HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO??? The word of the Holy God comes to save/preserve one from their sins/thoughts of foolishness!!! Amen!!! Her time was up and her appointed day came and she has now been taken from the earth, just as the scriptures warn!!! Amen!!! Anytime one rejects the truth time and time again, one is already doomed!!! Amen!!! The friends knew and now "KNOWWWWW" it was foolish of her not to heed their advice and all the evidence her very life was in danger!!! Amen!!! In another place it is written...smite the scorner so the simple will beware eeeeeeee!!! Amen!!! I see their are many on this thread who are heeding the warning of have no respect of persons when it comes to "EVILLLLL!!! Amen!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOO!!! She knew of her sister's past hate towards her and her family and allowed that woman to possess a weapon under their roof!!! HELLOOOOOO!!! From the comments, many are taking heed to this matter, rightfully SOOOOO, being the cause the prisons and jails and "HELLLLL" ARE FULL OF CRIMINALS WHO ARE ALL SOMEONE'S KINFOLKKKKK!!! AMEN!!! HELL IS NOT VOIDDDD, BUT ENLARGES HERSELF DAILY...AMEN!!! AMEN!!! WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN, I HAVE WRITTEN, IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND NOT ONE WORD SHALL BE TAKEN BACK, NOT ONE JOT OR TITTLE EITHER!!! AMEN!!! HEAVEN IS NOT MOVED WHEN SINNERS DIE AND OR TAKEN FROM THE EARTH!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HAVE COME TO SAVE/PRESERVE ALL THOSE WHO WANTS TO BE SAVED/PRESERVED FROM "THEIR" SINS, NOT THEIR NEIGHBORS SIN OR THEIR KINFOLK SINS/THOUGHTS OF FOOLISHNESSSS, BUT "THEIR/YOUR'S OWN SINS!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! FOR ALL ARE ALREADY JUDGED AND ALL HAVE AND SHALL SURELY GO THE WAY " IT IS WRITTEN OF THEM!!!" THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAID THIS OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH, AND ALL WHO ARE KNOWN OF "HIM" KNOWS WHAT IS WRITTEN AND WHAT HE HAS INDEED SAID...WHY IS IT YOU DON'T KNOW, TIME AND TRUTH STOPS FOR NO ONE...
@@TheOneLawgiverHolyGod Sounds like you got issues.
I last saw my abusive parents in the late 90s.
BEST. DECISION. EVER.
I will NEVER understand why a person will tolerate the most heinous behavior from a relative who is supposed to LOVE you, but cut off in a heartbeat a "friend" for less. My mothers' sisters were wretched women and quite vindictive and cruel, yet my mom would forgive time and time again.
Those type of people tend to "shame" their victim into giving them whatever they want. When the victim finally has enough and begins denying the person what they want, the person becomes hostile. Usually by then the person has gained a lot of control over the victim.
The word is DUMB.
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I'm so sorry this lady allowed her sister to abuse her & ultimately murder her. Oftentimes family is *not* everything & it's more than ok to cut ties with them!! Also, there's a fine line between loving & enabling & by allowing her evil sister to live with her rent free & unemployed, she was basically enabling her. She's a grown woman!! She should have been forced to leave long ago!!
i cut ties 20yrs ago..BEST DECISION I EVER MADE..NOW THEY ON FACEBOOK HOW ARE YOU?? I BLOCK THEM AND KEEP IT PUSHING
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@@lakimzamurphy6311 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🎉 I’m happy for you!
@@RY-os9vw im not lol truthfully most situations can be mended, we are a coward society and like to run away from issues instead of solve it but in certain situations i would have to say, if you see signs of a killer nearby id just cut them off and run away... but blood is thicker than water they say at the end of the day, generally that holds true.
There’s a reason people are in homeless camps, and it’s not because they don’t have relatives.
So she knew her sister would kill her and STILL took her in?
This woman basically walked herself to her own grave.
Some times too much kindness isn't a good thing
I keep my wicked and ungrateful brother far from me.
We have been given CHOICE ....WE choose to or not to ....she knew she was one day going to kill her...why ?
Because she told her friends multiple times ..who says that? Because she knew it would be her undoing keeping her there ..
she had to have threatened her over and over again with murder.
It's called domestic violence. It is the most stickiest and trickiest violence there is. She knew her sister could hurt her but she didn't truly believe she would.
She was naive. She chose to allow her sister to stay there. She could have call the law and had her sister put out but sadly she knew her Fate and allowed it.
I would never live with my sister. I'll help her from a distance
Never say never
You should to have healthy boundaries for yourself, good job!
Amen !! Same with me!!
Fuck that. Im not even helping from a distance 🤣💯💯💯💯
@@msshay421 😂😂😂😂😂
"She blamed me for everything wrong in her life" LET THOSE WORDS BE A SIGN. A YOUNG PERSON THAT DOES THIS CAN POSSIBLY CHANGE BUT IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY THIS CAN BE THE RESULT
Don is lucky to be alive.
...yes, very fortunate and the son's wife/girlfriend and the son too!!!
Thank goodness she wasnt fit enough to carry out any more murders. Im sure digging that hole took a lot of her energy.
fr, and it sucks he spent so much time w that woman. what kind of maniac makes a man choose between her and his child??
@@zparkplug2788 ...a true lunatic!!!
Dammit ❤️
This is what can happen when you have a family member who is always blaming the world for their failings and feel entitled to be taken care by someone else w/o taking any responsibility for their own life. An angry jealous and lazy woman is what Karen had for a sister. Be aware of people like this and don't take them in no matter what b/c it's not your obligation to take care of lazy people. At that age she should have been on SSI and on low income housing instead of leeching on someone else.
Oh, that's absolutely true, but it's also her sister's fault, unfortunately, her sister let this happen, she could have gotten her out of her house, but for some reason, she didn't want to her friends said that they told her to get her out, but she wouldn't do it, she definitely enabled her, and they both said horrible things to each other. Unfortunately, Karen knew what her sister was planning and didn't stop her, I blame her for her own murder because it is partly her fault yes, that sounds mean, but she knew, and she didn't kick her out. I mean, I'm sorry, but she knew what her sister was capable of, I feel really bad for Karen, but these 2 women we're really sick together in real life, both of them are to blame.
Right they legit be jealous and turn everything into a problem
@@joywalker4918 Your are right, but then again, we don't really know what was going on in her mind. Some people want to love and hold on to hope that their family members will change and come to their censes but sometimes for some it doesn't happen. Good people always hope for change and Karen surely wore her heart on her sleeve.
@@marilynv6224 You're right, some people do think their family can change, I was one of them but her sisters always been this way. These were elderly women, so honestly, Karen had to know that her sister was never going to change, know, I know it might seem like I'm going to hard, but I come from a very, very dysfunctional family, my own family members abused me and they thought that I would be ok with it and that I should always love them, but I went a different direction because I wasn't going to allow my own family to hurt me when I'm an adult, but with these 2, I think they've always spoke hateful to each other, especially with the friends saying that, they said, horrible and horrific things to each other, and sometimes 2 siblings like this can thrive off of the drama, no, I don't agree with what her sister did at all, you don't ever kill anybody it's obvious that Debra was and is mentally ill so her sister could have probably put her in a mental facility or she could have checked her in to a mental facility for 7 days to be evaluated. If she would have done that, she probably would be alive today because the mental facility would have known that she was serious about hurting her sister, I just think the both of them are to blame for what happened, and I don't necessarily think that Karen was some angel, something else was going on here. It had to be 2 sisters who always probably hated each other, and I know everybody is gonna say, how can I say that well, because I've been through these types of things. I've seen it in my own family, but I don't have a relationship with my family because they're like this, I decided to be a better person, and Karen could have decided that too. But for some reason she didn't so maybe she had a mental illness, too but Debra was wrong I'm just not sure if she should be in prison or a mental health facility other prison..
@@marilynv6224 oh, and even though her friends are saying that Karen wore her heart on her sleeve, doesn't mean she actually did, I did the exact same thing and all they did was continue to beat me molest me and other things until I left I didn't let my past define my future I left it all in the past I'm a great mom my kids were raised great I'm proud of who I am and what I've overcome she could have done the same thing she wasn't helpless look at what she told her friends but still stayed in the same house that says a lot sorry for the long message..
Who really dug the hole in the back yard? I can’t believe that someone who can barely walk their dog could dig a hole like that.
Something to think about 🤔
The hole was only 2 feet....she wasn't handicap, just overweight and a little slow....i personally saw nothing that would keep her from digging a 2 feet hole...she knew she had to cover her trail.... she did what she had to...😈💯
Idk...I think trying to hide a dead body might give you a little extra boost of adrenaline lol
Debra was well motivated. She’s just acting like she’s moving slow.
The soil also sems soft
She was planning to do this for years and then tried to hide her crime, so why didn’t she receive a 1st Degree Murder charge?
because she’s white
@@hyaleighhughley727 bull
@@hyaleighhughley727 FACTS
@@hyaleighhughley727 She's Hispanic you fool
@@realcanadiangirl64 Hispanic is not a race 😭🥴
That poor family. Lord bless whoever reads this with health, wealth and love amen
AMEN!!! AMEN!!! AMEN!!! Dennis, I receive it all in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Thank you and may the same blessing abound unto you and upon your household!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
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I have a couple of close relatives who blame everyone else for their mistakes. These people get worse with age, they will harm you one way or another, and it's best to go no-contact with them. They cannot be helped as long as their minds are closed to honest self-examination.
Me too...people like that are everywhere...don't take accountability for their own mistakes and if they aren't your family they are your friends or neighbors or boyfriend/partner/spouse.
@@nancymusialik4769 Unfortunately
J- my mother needs to open her mind to examine herself honestly to see where she is wrong instead of blaming everyone else for her lack of patience, compassion and understanding. My grandma was like that when she had altheimerz but my mom has always been like that...she gaslights me and other people and projects her insecurities and shortcomings on others as well.
@@Harry124-u7x
Sounds like you’re describing a Narcissist. There’s one in every household.
@@franco2b145 or borderline personality disorder
I couldnt even imagine what drove her to kill her sister, im an oldest sister and i would never nor ever think about hurting my sister.
My sister and I are not really close but I wouldn’t hurt her for many reasons, like my parents would be so destroyed.
I fear my sister could kill me. We haven’t talked in 13 years. It’s very sad and I can’t still understand why....
Yes! I love my only sibling. My sister
SHE HAD TO BE ME TAL AND ENTITLED!! NORMAL PEOPLE DONT DO THINGS LIKE THIS!! NEVER EVER!!
@@nottellingyou14 how about the fact that you don’t have the right to take someone’s life?? That it’s a sin?? It’s not only wrong but EVIL??
This is horrible. The world has gone crazy.
The world remains the same.The people gone crazy
It's always been this way...we didn't know because we didn't have social media yet....now everything evil is right here for everyone to see.
It's nothing new. I've watched the true crime shows. Just saw one something like this.
She was old enough to get SS and get elderly housing
Why TF was she being a burden on her sister
People have to work to get disability SSA. Maybe she wasnt disabled.
She never worked in all her life so no SS for her .. Elderly Housing is nearly unobtainable .. Her sister was an angel to put her up and pay her way.. the fact that she killed her is simply heinous ..
@@ecuadorexpat8558 ...she did have a work history, the husband explained it!!! She was troubled long time and no one took note to be proactive to get the woman evaluated, even though man is not the healer!!! Amen!!! The woman needed the salvation which is in Christ and Christ only!!! Amen!!! Obviously very demented soul, not even her own fault, just the truth of the fallen nature!!! Amen!!!
@@skywind8030 ...did you not hear the husband said, she was troubled on all the jobs and could not maintain them???
@@TheOneLawgiverHolyGod So
Damn this is sad. I can’t imagine living with someone that you think is capable of killing you.
Real friends don't just "listen" I'm not blaming her friends at all. Its a message to ppl who feel friends should remain silent. Love is an action. The word Care is an adjective.
Well, you can't blame her friends because they're blameless, they pretty much begged Karen to get her sister out of there, but she wouldn't, so this is also her sister's fault, at least partly, you heard what they said, they said that both of them said horrible things to each other Karen knew, her sister threatened her life and she let her continue staying there that tells me they were both mentally ill and both of them stayed in this toxic relationship it's both of their faults that this happened, and it didn't have to happen Karen should have got her out of the house it's both of their faults..
@@joywalker4918 She said she wasn’t blaming her friends
@@thepurpleadvocatenewschann1666 No she just implied it
@@thepurpleadvocatenewschann1666 No she didn't, but she did implie it. I don't know how you don't see that it was like, she's being a little passive aggressive about it.
Read it again she said real friends don't just listen so she definitely implied it..
@@gavinbrando8255 Exactly she most definitely did..
Good on her friends for not giving up!
I could see this happening, I have three sisters, one deceased and killing me would be nothing for them to do. I have been threaten and told they never liked you and wish I was dead. Close and distant relatives know about the hatred. Thank to my mother, this is how they were raised because I had a different father.
I am so sorry girl 😕. me and my sister also have different fathers, and would rarely speak until both of our fathers had passed away. we’ve grown closer because we’ve realized what kept us apart then is the only thing holding us together now. I hope things get better luv. you’re important, love you doll. pray for better days, we’ll make it out. don’t ever let their words make you question yourself or your worth.
Morning Sarah and Calise I'm Sending both you ladies love and encouragement. I also experienced sibling rivalry and have been loving myself and others more because of what family could do!! We gotta Forgive them y'all pray for em and watch God work it out
I had 10 deaths, later my ex husband found dead b his lover. Suddenly w ex mother law who began feeding sickness to her only g child, then my daughter inform me I will not to hated b all, like u. At work I was stalked harassed sexual harassed made to retire @ 52. My boss at one time had kept n touch w m ex mother law.
You strong courageous women are not alone.
Sending positive energy
, non judgement and understanding. Sometimes it's best to just focus on improving our lives instead of longing for love . Which we probably would never get.
Don't get me wrong I have wished that I could fix it but I can't. 🦋🦋🦋
I am so sorry
Seeing what an effort it took her just to walk the dog makes me wonder how on earth she managed to dig the grave and move her sister's body to it. Unless she made her sister dig it at gunpoint and killed her out there ...
Actually that's not true I'm disabled and I'm in a wheelchair, I can walk a little bit, but let me tell you something when we are determined about something, we can get it done so just because she walks that way and appears weak, really doesn't mean much, and not only that, the hole was not big, she was able to do it because I could have done it, it might would have took some time, but yeah, she definitely could have did it. You can't always think that when a person is disabled, they can't do certain things they can, it just takes a little bit of time.
@@joywalker4918 thank you for your input. The "how" was also my question.
@@2anthro Umm ok, now it's not like, I think about these things, but I am thinking about it, since you're wondering how she could have done it for me being in a wheelchair, I could grab a shovel and start digging, actually, from my wheelchair, you got to remember she was barely even covered up, she didn't go down far, and she is walking, so she's more than capable of doing it, she could have done it a little bit over time because it took 2 days before she was found, it would have been a little bit hard on me to do it, but I still would have been able to, after all, I still help out in my garden and she could honestly sit in a regular chair and do it, I know it might seem like it can't happen, but I guarantee you, it definitely can it's a lot easier than people think, especially when you put your mind to it, but she didn't dig down far at all, and her sister wasn't completely covered, it's awful what she did but it was both of their faults in my opinion, because Karen knew how much her sister hated her, and they both said horrible things to each other. Their relationship has probably always been like this, Karen wouldn't make her leave her home when she could have, so I do think that it also partly Karen's fault, she should have made her leave, but for some reason. She didn't both of them hated each other something was mentally wrong with both of them honestly Debra seems mentally ill.. But that's no excuse..
I think the helplessness is an act to gain sympathy.This woman is the poster child for the word "evil".
I dug holes and trenches for 4 years.. that was a decent hole for an old hag to dig by herself
Some siblings take fights too serious.
I can’t murder any of my siblings.
The only reason my sister is alive is cuz she isn't worth going to prison over.
So sad, she made a choice, family comes first. It’s possible she told her mom before she died that she would look after her sister, she didn’t want to let her down. I think she was also tired, it was easier than kicking her out or moving out herself, she resigned herself for whatever happened.
I had a sister just like her and God took her out of my life last year. I loved her but I have so much relief that I don't have that drama anymore. I'm sorry for Karen that she got the worst end of their situation.
So glad she had such good friends. This woman was blessed with them, but her sister seemed to be just evil.
This is so sad ! She killed her own sister .
This is like a lifetime movie
I'm surprised she was able to dig the hole
It was only 2ft deep. Im sure it was beyond exhausting for her.
Maybe she had help.
@@helenheard3512 I almost wondered that she was so obese I find it hard to believe she managed that- I suppose she could have done it over as few days.
You would be surprised how much strength evil people have.
It seems like to me everyone knew Debra was mean, violent & knew she threatened to kill Karen but yet no one did a thing. Poor Karen had too big of a heart ❤ my she finally have peace. Rip 🙏 🕊
Karen didn't do anything either way SHE was the main person that should have done something. 🙄
You really can't blame her friends because they talked to her and told her to get her out of the house what were they supposed to do, make her get rid of her sister? No she wasn't gonna do that even though her sister did this, and it's horrible, the truth is, Karen knew her sister was dangerous and didn't do anything about it, so she's actually partly to blame, yes, I know that sounds horrible, but she told everybody if something happened to her, it was her sister, so she does shoulder part of the blame, she knew that her sister wanted her dead and she still lived with her it it seems to me they were both sick, and you heard what her friends said they both said horrible and horrific things to each other, so it wasn't up to her friends, it was up to her she kind of chose what was going to happen to her..
@@joywalker4918 no I agree it wasn't up to her friends because obviously she wasn't going to listen & telling someone to leave or have the other person leave isn't enough to say 🙄 I mean who thinks that their sister is going to kill you? My point was the fact that all her friends are doing alot of talking now after the fact, especially for this show. I've been in a very abusive marriage with 3 small kids & I wish my friends would have called police, showed me ways to get out, helped me etc. I finally got away because of my kids, I didn't want them to be like him or end up with spouses like him.. I'm so good now, remarried for 15 yrs 1 child together ❤ but staying quite isn't right either. Its a very slippery slope.
@@shannongeorgiapeach76 Well, I do understand exactly what you mean growing up, I was mentally, physically and sexually abused, I didn't have anybody to help me back then, but I did meet my best friend and sister in life and she helped me get through so much, my mother went through a very abusive relationship to where she had to go to another state without me and my sister, there was a lot more involved, which I'm sure, you know, because you've been through it, and this was back in the 70s. I don't know how old you were, but things were really bad back then we do have better safe houses now, and programs but we don't have enough when it comes to people having domestic violence in their lives, and I'm so sorry, you and the kids had to go through that, and I wish that you would have had a champion back then. I'm glad that you've been happily married for 15 years, that is absolutely amazing I'm with my husband now for 30 years, and I found a man who really taught me that men can be wonderful and sweet, and I'm sure you know that with your husband, I'm really happy for you and I get what you're saying have a wonderful day, Hun.
@@joywalker4918 wow, thank you for sharing your story. I'm 45 yrs old & I do know back in the day women had no help out there, police would not do a thing. Even today its hard, its better but we still need more. As far as shelters, I know I didn't want to take myself & kids there. It was in a very rough area of Houston (were I lived from age 6 till a few years after divorce at age 30) I moved back to my birthplace where my extended family lives (Chattanooga & North Ga. area) Started a new life here. I just wish there was more resources available to women. I'm so sorry for what you & your mom went through. Thats the cycle you try to prevent your kids from following. I have 2 daughters age 21 & 24 who have struggled in their 1st serious relationships. Luckily with my help they were able to get away. My oldest daughter is now married to a great man. My 21 year old daughter is not dating, shes going to school & work. My boys are 19 & 14. The 3 oldest kids are from my ex,their father and I got together when I was 16, i left him in 2005 when I was 29. He remarried twice then divorced from both & had 3 more kids from those marriages. We were still friendly with each other, he would call every few months to see how i was doing, always flirted & several times would cry & express how sorry he was. He grew up in a very violent home with physical, mental & sexual abuse. I know he was remorseful but he was who he was unfortunately. Last year, He was living with a girlfriend, they had been together about a year. Him & his girlfriend came from Houston to North Ga for our oldest daughters wedding last June & then last November, I received a call the he shot himself committed suicide. It's devastating & my kids are really suffering. We are doing better as time passes but last Sunday was really hard for them being the 1st fathers day without him. Its crazy the suffering people go through in life that others don't know. I'm sharing this because you shared your story & Someone suggested that I find a therapist that deals with Trama for me & my kids. I want to pass that along to you. I obviously still struggle & have some PTSD too, I'm sure you know exactly what I mean.But I'm safe & 😊 happy with my hubby. I'm so happy to hear that you have been remarriedfor 30yrs I know exactly what you ment when you said you know what its like to have a man treat you right Amen to that. I really pray 🙏 that you stay blessed & the rest of your life is beautiful 🌹 we are not victims of our past, we are survivors who are alive & we will be ok. * Exhale thank you 😊
Debra would have never lived in my house.
Me neither
“This house ain’t big enough for two Debra’s”
God bless Karen and her beautiful friends 🙏❤️
This is what happens when you mean well and think you’re helping a family member and it backfires due to enabling. The more you do for them . They expect you to continue. The relationship is not there, it’s only “what you can provide “ for them. Best to let them be responsible for themselves and get on with your own life.
Thank you.
Every good and perfect gift is from Above. If its Evil it is not of God.
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That shrew was wicked to the last drop. Filled with hate. Hope the victim gets some justice.
So she stuck around for Debra to kill her? She should've moved away. This is evil. RIP💔
nah she should have thrown her ass out. i've had to have cops remove a cousin from my house after his lazy bum ass refused to pay rent.
It was her house.
@@loopthetube Too bad she didn't put it up for sale and make her move. She could have purchased another one nearby and been free of her freeloading sister.
@@sandragreen9560 After my brother moved out I sold my home and moved away. No one can freeload off of me ever again.
I'm glad to hear that Karen had such beautiful, close & wonderful friends in her life! If it wasn't for them who knows how long debbie could've got away with murder. And thanks to Don to traveling to Florida to assist Karen's friends in cleaning up her estate. What a nice man. Glad he wasn't killed also.
My brother threatened to have me beat up if I didn't give him money.
I wouldn't let him in when he came with some guys but later I heard he was in the mental hospital.
He has since passed away
This is absolutely heartbreaking!!!💔
RIP Karen May You Rest In Peace, my deepest condolences to her family and friends….
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People who try to excuse their bad behavior by claiming "But we're family!" should try actually acting like family.
And they say blood is thicker than water...Ohhhhhh "because they're family"....😒
Coagulated blood
The phrase was originally, "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb." Totally opposite meaning
That woman can BARELY walk, unless she’s putting on for the court😂. No way in hell she didn’t have help!
Bet she loses a lot of weight in the slammer ...
Maybe her dog helped her dig the hole.
Well said.
Sounds like Deb had Borderline Personality Disorder. So many times misdiagnosed or overlooked all together. I wish providers would wake up
Ok but if she was that lazy… who dug that hole? She doesn’t seem capable of digging a hole that big, it takes a lot of leg/arm strength, balance and power to dig a hole big enough to fit a body. She never worked a day in her life apparently so…?
She was big and must of been healthy. They didn't say she had medical problems either. I believe she did it alone.
Adrenaline allows someone to do many things they wouldn't normally be able to do.
She might be exaggerating her frailness to garner sympathy from the Court.
Maybe her dog helped her.
she could have dug it over a long period of time...
My mother robbed me blind while I was at a difficult time - I don’t have a mother anymore! ( I ghosted her, blocked on social media, no phone number and moved house, not anything criminal 😂)
I learned never let a relative in your house if you have any issues with them, some family are toxic and can end your life.
Someone should have gotten this woman help a long time ago. There were a lot of fails here.
What’s funny I have a sister I’ve always said this about. If I disappear check her, she’s evil and now there is another one I’m side eyeing
I feel you. I have a sister line this too.
I always wanted a sister - maybe I should be grateful for not having one. Keep well away from your sister - don't feel guilty about it.
@@BellaLeoLicorice i have 1 sister who was cruel to me since we were kid's.
We don't speak since our parents passed away , sad you didn't have a sister but you can't always get lucky to have a good one unfortunately.
They're probably so jealous of you because you're living life not being bitter, you're willing to put the work in to get your desired results and people gravitate towards you and love you.
@@BellaLeoLicorice I have 3 sisters. 1 older & 2 younger & l can tell you with 100% honesty & accuracy: *You've missed nothing.
I’m surprised how in the hell did Deborah dig that big hole and dragged her sister’s body and buried it all by herself
Maybe the dog helped her.
I just don’t get it. Why would anyone tolerate this kind of toxicity?
We knew Karen. She was a loving person with a VERY strong sense of family. She loved and took care of her parents and bought them the house. When her father died, she bought his share of the house. She took care of and deeply loved her mother (sacrificing of her own relationship). She loved her nephew as well. She was a very caring person who unfortunately put her family above herself.
Why.....just why
Yet this poor woman was not helped getting rid of evil sister. So sorry of the outcome.
Such a sad story & even sadder that the sister had no remorse for killing her.
RIP Karen 🌹❤️
I see she found strength to dig a hole and put her sister in it. She could've worked two jobs!
Wow, great point 🥺
I have manic depression but also a childhood full of abuse and neglect... I stay far away from my family. There's too much mistrust for me to get close to them. But honestly it's very hard being a black sheep. But I guess my distance protects what little sanity I have left.
I mean my sister and I don’t get along sometimes but I don’t think about killing her ! This is terrible I feel bad for the family and friends .
you cant trust family..i learned that 20yrs ago thats how long ive not been involved with my family they are truly worst than strangers in the streets..i never looked back this is sad
Same here. I havent spoke to my parents or sisters in over three years. Some x cons in that mix along with racism and drug dealing.
This is very much like my sister who has been jealous of me since I was little. Later when I became a world traveler she was extremely jealous. She steals from everyone and I have no doubt that she would kill me to keep any retirement that I might have
Pam, you should move far away enough to be safe. I have never understood jealousy of a sibling. I would rejoice to see a family member doing well. What ever happen to being proud of a sibling who does well?
@@bellagrace9812 Agree. Get off FB and social media. Tell your friends your thoughts on your sister and move.
Keep her at distance and make sure you have a will that states what you want done with your assets so there is no dispute later. Have a weapon like a taser or something handy in case you ever need it from her or anyone else. Always be prepared.
Some people really are heartless 😭😭 rip to anyone who died
I know it's hard to find a place to live, but don't stay in a unsafe environment.
So true
Such a sad story. People please try to stand up to your family members. You are not obligated to help them or keep in touch with them if they are toxic. You don't have to take any kind of abuse from family. If family does foul things, move on and protect your mental, physical, and spiritual space. Forgiveness does not mean reconciliation all the time.
Sibling rivalry you hear about but to the extent someone murdered?! Just unbelievable
This was chilling. Good reporting y’all.
What is the skull and crossed swords behind the lady talking? That's some mighty strange needlepoint.
Pretty sure it's something to do with football it's like a logo of sorts LOL
Lol that's a Tampa Bay buccaneers logo. Tom Brady's new team
@@sixfootbeauty that sounds about right lol
You made me laugh, I was wondering the same thing
The cruelest things are usually done by our family or the people we think love us. I don't trust anyone in my family after years of being used by them. I no longer speak to them and my life has never been better. It is a shame that this sister couldn't have seen what her other sister was like before he life was taken from her.
Debra was mentally disturbed long before she committed THIS murder. All of the signs WERE THERE.
Moral of this story: Being nice and putting up with your relative's BS is not always the "right" thing to do because you just might end up dead.
This is so sad. I feel for her friends. You can tell they’re hurting!
So glad I haven't seen my family in 18 years.
Cain and Abel... this has been going on forever. Just be they’re your sibling, doesn’t always mean their your friend. God bless the family and friends 🙏🏻
I like your wisdom on this. Consider the comments of many people asking why can a family/siblings do that...but once u made reference to The Bible by stating Cain who killed Abel, I think u answered all the questions. God bless you Dear.
The Bible Answers every question
FACTS
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What a tragic story
This is why i do not help people anymore
I recently learned family will tear you down 💯
SAD YA OWN FAMILY CAN BE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO TRY AND KILL YOU SO DISGUSTING 😡
Second degree? The lady had acquired a gun and made multiple death threats, then followed through, sounds like plenty of pre-planning and meditation to me.
I’m guessing that digging her sisters grave was the only manual labor she has ever done in her life! Such a sad story! I am blessed to have a wonderful relationship with my sister❤️
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Never live with a violent or bullying (verbally or physical) person. Give them money to rent a house / flat, but do not live with them.
The safest thing for Karen would have been to disconnect completely from Debra, just as Debra’s ex-husband was forced to do. Karen would be alive today living a great life, caring for her friends, who are family to her. Every covert narcissist or psychopath has a family, and we all know families are not always healthy or safe.
A lot of people don’t think brothers or sister can’t hurt them cause they are blood jealousy can’t make people do anything of you know a person is jealous keep them away
She should not have ever let her stay there not 1 night!!!!! She should have took her on down to the Section 8 elderly apts.
What a sick woman😩
Yep, 11 great years and more to come since I dropped my toxic Sister, Brother and Mother. Mother was the worst. Brother and Sister just learned from Her.
Hopefully someone rescued the dog and gave it a better home.
That's all you care about? A woman was murdered
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic The woman who was murdered isn't coming back - the dog is still alive, nothing wrong with hoping it is well taken care of.
@@MeadeSkeltonMusic I did not need to add to the 100s of omments already posted about the sister. I want to make sure the dog is safe also and did not end up in the hole like her sister.
Condolences and prayers for the family may she R.I.P 💔🕊
Deborah is certainly not a "tiny little woman" now.
This is utterly heartbreaking and sick..What depravity lies in some humans ..mental illness untreated in too many people
Family is important no excuse for violennt
I just left it all behind and moved across county in 1993 to California. Best thing I ever did. Able to break family horrific patterns. I call and visit once a year.
I like living alone its better
Being by yr self than living with a abuser
The news lady is pretty as hell
WoW just WoW...
That’s just so sad. Prayers to the family and friends.
Karen and Deborah ,uhhh....my twin sister and I have the same names. Creepy.
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Hopefully you like each other better :)
Have an incredibly abusive and dishonest older sister. Thief, liar, abusive to my mom, whom she drained hundreds of thousands of dollars from. Recently she has been reaching out to me and my other sisters because her husband is ill. None of us want anything to do with her. She went out of her way to destroy our childhoods and tried to keep the terror campaign throughout adulthood. She was extremely violent when younger. Broke a hard cover book over my head, broke my nose, stole all the jewelry my mother had given me, hit me with her car when I was standing on our driveway, etc. And that's just what she did to me.
I would never allow her into my home. Ever.