Been waiting for the Transition Relay as my first emtb since it was teased in June. However, I got a good pre-order deal on this one, so will likely pull the trigger on a M-Team version. Just have to decide on battery size (625 VS 750) Going back and forth between the two. A few reviews mention quite the difference in handling.
I was particularly interested in this particular video because I bought the Orbea Wild H20 two months ago after watching rave videos on UA-cam, the last bike I bought after UA-cam endorsement was the entry model Specialized Turbo Levo which I loved (2019) - got stolen! My concern is that the Ebike brands are soliciting paid reviews of their top, most expensive models from the popular UA-cam channels, tellingly these paid reviews all come out at the same time, literally. There is a big problem with this platform - the reviews profusely embellish the super expensive bikes (some of which may be true of course), however, ordinary joe like me are much more likely to buy the entry level bikes in the hope that they ride very similar to the top models. EMTB - ordinary joe/jane - middle aged with kids, short on time, relatively new to or returned to biking, investing oversized sum to feed his/her hobby. None of the top earning channels review the entry level bikes, nor do they actually say anything negative because of the conflict of interest. Hence, it is not clear, who is this bike for? The beginner, or the pro downhill enduro ace? We hear far too many numbers - so many millimetres or angles this and that (chain stay, BB, reach etc.) and not enough about how they ride and whether these bikes are value for money? Hence, the UA-cam channels are complicit in letting the industry get away with hastily thrown together lower end bikes that are seriously flawed, and still demand thousands of dollars/pounds/euros! My view after 2 month ownership is a degree of disappointment. The H20 is a monster truck, way too heavy, (26 Kg) I did not expect that given that the top product is 20.8Kg! This is a major problem for intermediate/ early biker. The sheer weight detracts from being able to jump, turn, develop skill, and the poor fork/suspension platform can only described as dull and lacklustre. The internal battery and the ridiculous complicated headset with internal cables is just nuts. Importantly, something you did not point out - this is a front heavy bike, much more noticeable in my size small bike with big 750 battery taking up the whole length of the down tube. It is difficult to convince this bike to jump (more speed, more hop) and then control the tendency of front end dipping. Why oh why do I have to spend several thousand of hard earned cash to bring it up to speed? Should I really even try to bring the weight down - not possible. The result is that 2 months down the line, I am desperately trying to sell the bike and buy a Specialized - the market, as it is, I can't even get half price for a 2 month old bike. I do not believe the Orbea Wild 2023 Alloy models are value for money - period. It turns out, all the R&D went in to developing the carbon race winning models. There is a unhealthy collusion between industry and channels/social platforms that promote these bikes - it makes it impossible to get an honest view of products that are more expensive than the cars we drive.
ebike design is just coming on in leaps and bounds. This one looks stunning and it really changing the way bikes look. Hope it rides as good as it looks - can't wait for the verdict Sam
Nice bike ! I like the geometry, bosch motor/750 battery. But the non removable battery is a deal breaker for me, here in the cold weather of Quebec cause i dont have an insulated garage
Welcome back to South Australia, the best place in the world, particularly the Fleurieu Peninsula. Love your Videos. As a 70yr old my mates and I have discovered a new lease of life with our e-mountain bikes and the Fleurieu has so many great trails and rides, hope you get to enjoy many of them while you are here. I live in Moana and regularly ride the trail to Aldinga over Red Ochre and Maslins beach. Keep up the content. My channel "Kym Wenham" not as sophisticated as yours but may give you some ideas for local rides. Enjoy your stay.
hello and thank you for your video, could you tell me the model presented in your video because there are many models of Orbea Wild (h10-h20-h30-m10-m20 etc) I am looking for a model of 21kg or 22kg with minimum 500wh and between 70nm and 85nm thank you for your feedback in advance!!
Sam, any thoughts on how the new Wild rides compared to the Gen 3 Turbo Levo? I've had an S-Works Turbo Levo for a year and am intrigued by the lower weight and full-29er aspect of the Wild. Help me decide if I should swap my TL for the Wild! Thanks much. 🙂
Great bike, Great geometry … but i prefer the Rocky Mountain PP Altitude, feels lighter being heavier… and the motor… great, Love the Race edition, but the Dyname it is not so far. When will you do a Rocky test??
Hey how's it going Sam, I live in West Aus, you should defo check out the Goaty if you're in town. Happy to show you around, there's some great trails there 🤙🐏
My bikes need removable batteries. One cooking while I'm draining the other. 442 is about the longest chainstays I prefer. But man, I would love to test one out.
The top spec in 20.9 kg, "M-LTD", has full XTR. Also saves 150 grams on a lighter motor than all the other models (Race model) and 900ish grams on a smaller battery than the other models (625 vs 750Wh) All models can be edited in Orbeas configurator, but not all changes are available to all models (the race motor is exclusive for the top model for example)
I'm interested to buy a ebike but with prices like that I'm just afraid if someone to still it from do they came with tracker or GPS does anyone know....
How is that deceptive? No manufacturer lists a weight with pedals and it's the rider choice which battery. 🙄 I suppose you think it should be an XL too
Another deceiving weight hype bike, a reasonably priced model gets to 22,5 to 23kg with pedals...oh and thanks Sam for not answering/deleting my constructive comment...liked your channel till this...but this does it👎...
Hey mate sorry if I missed your massage, it’s very hard to keep up with all the comments! Yep it seems like 21-23 will be the weight once it’s all set up still not bad!
@@SamsBikes thanks man. Do you know about the RM altitude powerplay? Can that be made mullet? I was set on the RM until I found out it was full 29! Have you reviewed it Sam?
Riders what do we think of the new Orbea Wild I'm a Fan....
It's absolutely sick! Have one on order should have it end of March 🤟
not liking the ability to take the battery out
Yeh no battery out sucks, at a bike park I often go through two bats.
Been waiting for the Transition Relay as my first emtb since it was teased in June. However, I got a good pre-order deal on this one, so will likely pull the trigger on a M-Team version.
Just have to decide on battery size (625 VS 750) Going back and forth between the two. A few reviews mention quite the difference in handling.
@@paal6846 mate I think I would go a 625 in this bike it will handle better and you will get around 1200 meters of extreme range
I was particularly interested in this particular video because I bought the Orbea Wild H20 two months ago after watching rave videos on UA-cam, the last bike I bought after UA-cam endorsement was the entry model Specialized Turbo Levo which I loved (2019) - got stolen!
My concern is that the Ebike brands are soliciting paid reviews of their top, most expensive models from the popular UA-cam channels, tellingly these paid reviews all come out at the same time, literally. There is a big problem with this platform - the reviews profusely embellish the super expensive bikes (some of which may be true of course), however, ordinary joe like me are much more likely to buy the entry level bikes in the hope that they ride very similar to the top models. EMTB - ordinary joe/jane - middle aged with kids, short on time, relatively new to or returned to biking, investing oversized sum to feed his/her hobby.
None of the top earning channels review the entry level bikes, nor do they actually say anything negative because of the conflict of interest. Hence, it is not clear, who is this bike for? The beginner, or the pro downhill enduro ace? We hear far too many numbers - so many millimetres or angles this and that (chain stay, BB, reach etc.) and not enough about how they ride and whether these bikes are value for money? Hence, the UA-cam channels are complicit in letting the industry get away with hastily thrown together lower end bikes that are seriously flawed, and still demand thousands of dollars/pounds/euros!
My view after 2 month ownership is a degree of disappointment. The H20 is a monster truck, way too heavy, (26 Kg) I did not expect that given that the top product is 20.8Kg! This is a major problem for intermediate/ early biker. The sheer weight detracts from being able to jump, turn, develop skill, and the poor fork/suspension platform can only described as dull and lacklustre. The internal battery and the ridiculous complicated headset with internal cables is just nuts. Importantly, something you did not point out - this is a front heavy bike, much more noticeable in my size small bike with big 750 battery taking up the whole length of the down tube. It is difficult to convince this bike to jump (more speed, more hop) and then control the tendency of front end dipping. Why oh why do I have to spend several thousand of hard earned cash to bring it up to speed? Should I really even try to bring the weight down - not possible.
The result is that 2 months down the line, I am desperately trying to sell the bike and buy a Specialized - the market, as it is, I can't even get half price for a 2 month old bike.
I do not believe the Orbea Wild 2023 Alloy models are value for money - period. It turns out, all the R&D went in to developing the carbon race winning models. There is a unhealthy collusion between industry and channels/social platforms that promote these bikes - it makes it impossible to get an honest view of products that are more expensive than the cars we drive.
ebike design is just coming on in leaps and bounds. This one looks stunning and it really changing the way bikes look. Hope it rides as good as it looks - can't wait for the verdict Sam
Totally mate what a great time to be a rider! I’m a massive fan of this bike!
Another great video. Feel better Sam. Looking forward to seeing more of the dream build!
Thanks Jeff I’m feeling great now! Dream build shake down dropping now!
Nice bike ! I like the geometry, bosch motor/750 battery.
But the non removable battery is a deal breaker for me, here in the cold weather of Quebec cause i dont have an insulated garage
Yep I can see that as I said not for everyone
Hi, i would prefer more sock absorption downhill and better grip uphill, what do you recommend - Wild or Levo?
Welcome back to South Australia, the best place in the world, particularly the Fleurieu Peninsula. Love your Videos. As a 70yr old my mates and I have discovered a new lease of life with our e-mountain bikes and the Fleurieu has so many great trails and rides, hope you get to enjoy many of them while you are here. I live in Moana and regularly ride the trail to Aldinga over Red Ochre and Maslins beach. Keep up the content. My channel "Kym Wenham" not as sophisticated as yours but may give you some ideas for local rides. Enjoy your stay.
Hey Kym thanks for the comment and the kind words! I’ll definitely check your channel out and I’m glad your loving your ebike
I have the the 22 wild FS and love it. I think this looks amazing but don’t see the upgrade being worth it just yet.
It’s true the wild fs was a great bike but the new one is next level
hello and thank you for your video, could you tell me the model presented in your video because there are many models of Orbea Wild (h10-h20-h30-m10-m20 etc) I am looking for a model of 21kg or 22kg with minimum 500wh and between 70nm and 85nm thank you for your feedback in advance!!
Sam, any thoughts on how the new Wild rides compared to the Gen 3 Turbo Levo? I've had an S-Works Turbo Levo for a year and am intrigued by the lower weight and full-29er aspect of the Wild. Help me decide if I should swap my TL for the Wild! Thanks much. 🙂
Mate I think it would be a beast! I’m trying to get my hands on one this year to test let’s see!
Great bike, Great geometry … but i prefer the Rocky Mountain PP Altitude, feels lighter being heavier… and the motor… great, Love the Race edition, but the Dyname it is not so far.
When will you do a Rocky test??
Sam when you are doing a Trek Fuel EX E full on review? Thanks!
Hey how's it going Sam,
I live in West Aus, you should defo check out the Goaty if you're in town. Happy to show you around, there's some great trails there 🤙🐏
Hey mate thanks for the comment! Right now it’s all about the family but if I get a chance to travel I will definitely
Losing the fight on the cables. More and more mfg going integrated. Got my eyes on the new Rise personally. Easy upgrade from my Occam.
Yep totally I don’t see the point
My bikes need removable batteries. One cooking while I'm draining the other. 442 is about the longest chainstays I prefer. But man, I would love to test one out.
Any idea how much extra the ally frame weighs vs the carbon?
I would say in a large 800-1,4kg
What drivetrain does it have on the 20.9
The top spec in 20.9 kg, "M-LTD", has full XTR. Also saves 150 grams on a lighter motor than all the other models (Race model) and 900ish grams on a smaller battery than the other models (625 vs 750Wh)
All models can be edited in Orbeas configurator, but not all changes are available to all models (the race motor is exclusive for the top model for example)
I'm interested to buy a ebike but with prices like that I'm just afraid if someone to still it from do they came with tracker or GPS does anyone know....
Can the stem be ungraded to a different brand like I9?
I’m pretty sure you can!
What's the power of the motor? 80nM?
85nm
Is the 2023 Orbea Wild compatible with the Bosch dual battery setup?
@SneakerHeadMChex6 Hi, how do I claim the prize?
No
It’s another deceptive weight 20.9 with smaller battery and no pedals
How is that deceptive? No manufacturer lists a weight with pedals and it's the rider choice which battery. 🙄 I suppose you think it should be an XL too
When they say with a 750 battery and only weighs 20.9
Salesman!
Another deceiving weight hype bike, a reasonably priced model gets to 22,5 to 23kg with pedals...oh and thanks Sam for not answering/deleting my constructive comment...liked your channel till this...but this does it👎...
Hey mate sorry if I missed your massage, it’s very hard to keep up with all the comments! Yep it seems like 21-23 will be the weight once it’s all set up still not bad!
Can it be turned into a mullet Sam?
Yes it can Scott
@@SamsBikes thanks man. Do you know about the RM altitude powerplay? Can that be made mullet? I was set on the RM until I found out it was full 29! Have you reviewed it Sam?