It's great to see so many good answers. Honestly, I think the answer to Mormons wanting to help exmormons is exactly the same answer as exmormons wanting to help Mormons. Love them for where they are right now, respect boundaries, be an authentic friend, and just don't try to change them and expect that you never will.
Gosh that first comment is SO nice. So many times I've had people try to bear their testimonies and I have had to gently explain that in order to have a personal testimony, I cannot borrow their testimony! I'm happy they've had personal witness but my experience has been far different (and they rarely want to listen to what my experiences are, or why church culture and church doctrine hold hands.) They are going to have to trust that God knows what is in my heart.
When I left in 2005, I got a barrage of fear and accusations. I'll be in Satan's power, bound for outer darkness, my family would reject me, and the problem was the fact that I was sinning. Fortunately, I knew the cult playbook and saw through it. Fast forward to 2018 at my mother's funeral where I met a family member who was on a mission to rerecruit former members. Hmmm, so what is your approach given LDS apologetic weaknesses? Oh, we help them remember the good feelings they had in the church. Huh? Isn't that manipulative? Shrug. At the end of the day, I haven't regretted my exit from Mormonism for a second. Be aware of manipulation and you'll be fine.
I like the idea of saying, “I’m a lesbian. COME ON IN! We’ve been waiting for you!…” just to see how long it takes them to either a) gather their thoughts and respond coherently, or b) turn and run away. 🤔
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I'm an old man but it might be fun to try this just to see their reaction?
@@mylesmarkson1686 that is true for a lot of folks. Biases do reign, unless someone is at a juncture where they are open to information. Traditions, conformity, and sheer ignorance will have their attention & devotion
Being in the church as a gay boy was psychological hell for me. I was taught that outer darkness was a place you went to completely cease to be and there was a time in my life where I would rather be there than alive. It can sound a bit tone deaf when someone projects their own experience with the church onto me without even considering what my experience was.
I sexually identify as an android, my pronouns are beep boop bop, and Jesus Christ is my daddy - I can’t wait for his second coming, preferably on a cleanly shaven twink
My husband left the church about 7 years before I did. At that time, I heard a stat that only 2% return to church and those take, on average, 38 years. I prayed so hard my husband would be one of those 2% that returned. I was sure I was going to be able reconvert him, even if it took 38 years, lol. I had no clue! 😂
As an active member of the church, thank you for this video because it's opened my eyes to ways that I can be more loving. I admire you for sharing your story and being so open with your experience.
I've had two people try to bring me back into the fold that I walked away from just before lockdown. Are there things I appreciate or miss about the community? Sure. There are things I liked about ex boyfriends, but it doesn't mean I'd go back to them either.
I think members/leaders are realizing that exposure to reasons for a person leaving the church is becoming to risky since there’s a lot more ability to find out how much information there is that contradicts the church’s narrative in just about everything.
Long after i left the church, i attended my younger brother's missionary homecoming sacrament meeting. The topic of the day was preventing apostacy. And the reason that they gave for why people apostatize? getting your feelings hurt by another member or leader and then not coming. Thats it. Nothing else.
I'm skeptical, but if the typical response now is just leave them alone and be their friend, good for those commenters. That at least shows that some rank and file members are starting to get it and is hopefully a trend.
As noted, this is a marked improvement compared to 5 or 10 years ago -- and you were a voice that helped shape this change. Wonderful to see; hopefully, we can continue to be a force for good, and to minimize suffering in the world, regardless of our relationship with Mormonism.
Full disclosure- I am a TBM. I appreciate your kind and rational approach to both sides of the issue. Your position seems to me to come from love for your fellowmen regardless of their status of exmo or active member. Thank you. This is the first time I have ever listened to you and I absolutely dislike almost all the anti Mormon sites because of their lack of being love based. If all of your viewpoints have been and continue to be based in love I would definitely listen to what you have to say. It is so refreshing to find in the space you’re in! Love is always the correct answer to any question in my opinion.❤️
@@Livi-i8e ☀️ I 💯 respectfully disagree. First you don't follow anyone. You beat to your own 🥁 . She is going the wrong way of how the universe really works. ⛵ A good captain sails away from the storm to calm 💦 waters. This way it's smooth sailing. Everyone has their own path but the universal laws are the same it's a path of good vibe energy 🌷 ( sugar sweet like Sugar house park) & that goes with the current of the river. ⛵ You can be sailing smoothly on your path & the laws of serendipity gently fall into place. The stream lays 🔅 The stream lays low & a gentle breeze makes is smooth sailing. You can be taken off course if you ignore your intuition 🔔 bell & don't cut ties gently & timely with incompatible "know it alls" that clash with your path, your being yourself, nature & essence. ☀️ ❤️ 🐬 Its really that simple. ⛵ S. M.
What would make me go back? I already have a list of things that would bring me back. The old history of evidence, etc is all a waste of time. But the current church has 8-9 big issues that need to change for me to going back and checking things out again. For instance one is they need to be completely transparent with money and spend way more in humanitarian aid in relation to income and investment returns. That is just one of about 8 things that I would need to see them confront. There are other things around areas like SA, LGBTQ+, church courts, etc. If those things dont change, nothing is bringing back a lot of people.
@@knz10639 I am a trans woman. 68 years old, widowed, former High Priest. Now I will not be allowed any callings in the Church, especially involving children. I guess they feel that if one is trans, they must be a ravening chomo. They can go to hell. Everything Smith ever said was self serving bs, and he was a world class perv.
@@chthonicClown They set rules that say that I can not hold any callings in the church, especially around children, and i am not allowed in the temple. Basically as a trans woman, I am only allowed to pay tithing.
Good points and observations. Some church members are honestly so of the mindset that they must convince you to come back, you made a mistake, to ask for forgiveness etc that they do not see it only makes it more clear why you might have chose to left in the first place. Part of my reasoning for leaving the church was the blind sheep like mentality that everyone had. I honestly felt like I was in a room of zombies sometimes because something would be said and everyone is nodding along and I'd look at my wife and ask her wait did you stop for a sec to think how or if that was possible or are you agreeing because of everyone else? I think she didn't want to admit she was part of the sheep herd. Good video.
The culture shifting is definitely happening. I'm taking an online Intro to World Religions class at my community college (a secular college), and one of the things the instructor has asked us to keep in mind is that ALL religions evolve. Too bad the church leaders decide to claim the church doctorine doesn't change, because God doesn't change, and its God's church so it won't change. (Except it's always changing.) It's definitely a different church today than it was when I was a youth. But that doesn't mean they have stopped all the abuse, become transparent financially, apologized for the past, and own up to the history. Yeah, I'm not going back.
When I left I was told I am free to leave and find a family I would choose for myself... but I still had to keep attending if I wanted to live under my parent's roof. I once skipped out on the YSA branch... some kind member told them they missed me at church today... I got kicked out. Later that night once a friend's parents had taken me in (and must have reached out to my own parents) I was contacted by them and told to come back home... times have absolutely changed in my family life, thank god.
@@ceciliabrown6341 hmmm to an extent yes but also it would be uncharitable to say that's all there is to it. I think feeling shamed/pressured by the high control environment within the church had to do with why they kicked me out in the first place. What's positive is that things just aren't like that anymore. My dad couldn't be less of a believer and neither of them attend. It's kind of surreal thinking back and looking at the facts of how it was...
As someone who is over twice your age, I have to say you show such wisdom for a young woman. I'm not talking about your beliefs but about the way you think it's unwise to try to talk anyone into taking a direction either away, or toward the church. People need to decide for themselves when they are ready to do so. Supporting someone is great but telling them what to do generally backfires bigtime. Good for you, Lexi.
Pretty much the only ways someone can demonstrably show their life has gotten worse BECAUSE of leaving religion are either when people still in the religion choose to treat ex-beleivers worse (shunning, loss of community & relationships, etc) or lingering mental and emotional wounds from the years of land mines the religion planted under their skin. Other stuff that goes wrong is coincidental and plenty of people leaving religion have good coincidental experiences too.
Oh, the irony of someone who dutifully parrots their testimony over and over from the age of two saying that hearing yourself say something out loud makes it sound stupid...
After what happened to me I was deeply disappointed and hurt and sitting on the pew on Sundays was too painful. I’m actually happier not going to church. When you put your heart and soul into something and your hopes and dreams get crushed by someone that you least expected it affects you. Two years now and I’m just at a point where I’ve gotten over the feelings but just have no interest going back.
I left in the late 70's. One of them even came to my house with the offer of a calling in a desperate bid to get me back and involved.--which I turned down flat. Advice to those thinking of leaving--get your ducks in line beforehand. It is much more difficult to leave when you are in a generational Mormon family and even harder if you live in the Utah/Arizona/Idaho Mormon belt. And even more difficult if your employment is tied up with a Mormon owned/influenced business. If so you will have to have the strength to start over and rebuild your life (literally) as when you drop the leaving bomb, they/them in the church will shun and reject you--even down to losing your livelihood. So if you're in this situation, line up your ducks beforehand visa-a-vie employment, housing and so forth. If this is a family decision, this should be kept absolutely secret until the last moment. A clean getaway (house sold, etc.) is best breaking away from all contacts in the Mormon church--except that is for family. Leaving Mormonism outside of the influence of the Mormon-belt is simpler task, but still it requires a clean break from Church influences. It takes time. It's hard, but shortly you will get over the overwhelming stifling influence of the LDS.
Yeah I think the bottom line is that the real problem is " Faith" Faith conditions people to believe things without evidence and that's a very bad thing. It's been said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that's a much better policy to guide your life. So when people are conditioned to believe things without evidence when you show them evidence, they're going to go back on their faith and and reject the evidence out of hand
I joined the church in the hopes of changing my life. But after 18 months there was no change in my life, didn’t fit in being a mid 40’s male with no kids. That’s why I walked away. It wasn’t for me
For some reason, the Mormons I talk too (except missionaries), rarely try to get me to return to the church and they don't try to refute my arguments. Maybe they sense I'm a lost cause. I will never go back but I leave it open so if I get a hit on the head and have a psychotic break, I can become a Mormon again.
My reasons for leaving were the extreme sexism and protection of abusers that I personally saw myself. I don't know if the church is true and I don't care if it is. God himself could tell me that it was true and I'd gladly go to hell rather than worship a god who made me to me solely to be a bangmaid. Or one who supports abusers rather than victims of sa. The only response I've ever seen to this reason for leaving has been "well that was just your bishop". They have no answers.
Maybe the reverse psychology of trying to explain to Mormons about their own church is beginning to slowly make a difference in the way members treat ex-members. I know I have seen a Mormon apologist go ham on someone who disagreed with their beliefs and jumped right in to bolster the person bringing attention to the truth. Usually the person is someone who is/was investigating Mormonism and realized it wasn’t what they thought. The response to their skepticism usually became an immediate straw man pull, a passive aggressive comment, or even an attempt at character assassination. Either way, I am a firm advocate for “treat others as they treat you,” and “have a taste of your own medicine. (Which is not a good habit, 10/10 do not recommend,) sometimes flipping the script can show a person their own reflection and bring them self-awareness. For others it just angers them. Anger is sometimes a sign that something about what someone is saying actually hit a nerve, and a person who can self-reflect will do so on that.
Now let me ask you a question about some people that I know and maybe you could do a video on it or reply in the comments but that might take too much space up. So here's the situation. The wife is a true believing Mormon and the husband left the church after research realizing he'd been lied to, now I think that the church is pushing temples and the wife wants to go to the temple and of course she can't do it without the husband rejoining the church. But the husband is never going to do that after compiling amount of evidence about dishonesty of the church leaders. And is possibly might break up the marriage. So what do you recommend in a situation like that?
Go in peace. This youtube channel name clearly includes the descriptor ex-mo, and thus, the content comes as no surprise. Furthermore, if you overlooked the ex-mo description, within a minute or less of viewing, the content theme is obvious. If you feel sad or displeased with the content, there are so many youtube channels to view, including the official youtube channel for the LDS church. Life is too short to keep viewing content that one finds distressing or displeasing, especially with so many available books, radio stations, TV stations, podcasts, video streaming services, music streaming services, magazines, social media platforms, and social media channels. The highest leaders of the LDS church have for decades been instructing LDS church members to avoid consuming media that present opinions and historical representations that differ from the official LDS church beliefs and historical representation or interpretations. The official LDS church website has an enormous approved library of talks, articles, and videos. You will find plenty of Joseph Smith is good content there at no cost to your wallet and with no distress to your mind.
@@ceciliabrown6341 Well, I went back to look it up and traveled down another rabbit hole. I happened on one short video where she was reading quotes from the male hierarchy of the church. Being told repeatedly in comments that the lds don't criticize or condemn other denominations, I assumed my friend was just a very critical and outspoken person only to me because we were close. Imagine my surprise when I heard the quotes from Ballard, McConkle, Oaks, Young and Smith, etc. And the lds are offended when we say we don't believe they're Christians. Now I no longer suffer from pangs of guilt. I can finally brush my hands off, shake the feeling that I haven't witnessed enough to lds, and get on with witnessing to those that aren't so indoctrinated in a demonic cult that leads people down a dangerous path. Thank you for the eye opener!
It's pretty dogmatic on Mormon channels, especially defending the Mormon religion against my authentic Evangelical Christianity. That's NOT typical of TBM Mormons i interact with on Mormon channels. Most ExMos confuse rejecting Mormonm as the same as rejecting historical Christianity and the TWO R completely different by their incompatible theologies.
It's great to see so many good answers. Honestly, I think the answer to Mormons wanting to help exmormons is exactly the same answer as exmormons wanting to help Mormons. Love them for where they are right now, respect boundaries, be an authentic friend, and just don't try to change them and expect that you never will.
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Gosh that first comment is SO nice. So many times I've had people try to bear their testimonies and I have had to gently explain that in order to have a personal testimony, I cannot borrow their testimony! I'm happy they've had personal witness but my experience has been far different (and they rarely want to listen to what my experiences are, or why church culture and church doctrine hold hands.) They are going to have to trust that God knows what is in my heart.
Adding: Lots of members equate church with God. They are not interchangeable. Matthew 24:24
FAIR gave me assurance that leaving was the best and most logically consistent decision.
When I left in 2005, I got a barrage of fear and accusations. I'll be in Satan's power, bound for outer darkness, my family would reject me, and the problem was the fact that I was sinning. Fortunately, I knew the cult playbook and saw through it. Fast forward to 2018 at my mother's funeral where I met a family member who was on a mission to rerecruit former members. Hmmm, so what is your approach given LDS apologetic weaknesses? Oh, we help them remember the good feelings they had in the church. Huh? Isn't that manipulative? Shrug. At the end of the day, I haven't regretted my exit from Mormonism for a second. Be aware of manipulation and you'll be fine.
There's no going back. Happier without it in my life.
Yup. I know too much now. I just can’t do it.
real 🙏🏾
I've had both Mormon missionaries and Jehova's Witnesses come to my door. My response was, "I'm a lesbian. You're not welcome." 😊
Same here. When the Mormons come, I say I'm Jehova's Witness. When the Jay-Dubs come, I say I'm Mormon.
@@mylesmarkson1686 brilliant lmao
@@mylesmarkson1686 - Well, it's a kinder, gentler way of getting out of an unwanted conversation! 👍🏻♥️
I like the idea of saying, “I’m a lesbian. COME ON IN! We’ve been waiting for you!…” just to see how long it takes them to either a) gather their thoughts and respond coherently, or b) turn and run away. 🤔
I'm an old man but it might be fun to try this just to see their reaction?
heard a saying, "You can't un-ring a bell"
The toothpaste can’t be put back in the tube is a good one too. Once you see the church for what it is, you can’t un-see it.
You can lead a Mormon to knowledge, but you can't make him think!
@@mylesmarkson1686 that is true for a lot of folks. Biases do reign, unless someone is at a juncture where they are open to information. Traditions, conformity, and sheer ignorance will have their attention & devotion
Being in the church as a gay boy was psychological hell for me. I was taught that outer darkness was a place you went to completely cease to be and there was a time in my life where I would rather be there than alive. It can sound a bit tone deaf when someone projects their own experience with the church onto me without even considering what my experience was.
Anything having to do with Oaks is the worse way to get an exmo back
Exactly😭😂
the current proFIT has always given me the absolute heebie geebies. Something ain't right about that dude
Oaks is scary right? And way too intense.
He's got the mormon lizard look.@@savannahsmiles1797
I'd love for someone to try to get me back in the church. As a trans woman, I could use a good laugh
I had two Jehova's Witnesses come to my door. I replied, "I'm a lesbian. You're not welcome." 😉♥️
You could make their heads explode by giving priesthood blessings 😉
I sexually identify as an android, my pronouns are beep boop bop, and Jesus Christ is my daddy - I can’t wait for his second coming, preferably on a cleanly shaven twink
My husband left the church about 7 years before I did. At that time, I heard a stat that only 2% return to church and those take, on average, 38 years. I prayed so hard my husband would be one of those 2% that returned. I was sure I was going to be able reconvert him, even if it took 38 years, lol. I had no clue! 😂
As an active member of the church, thank you for this video because it's opened my eyes to ways that I can be more loving. I admire you for sharing your story and being so open with your experience.
🥰 Thanks for watching and for the kind words!
I've had two people try to bring me back into the fold that I walked away from just before lockdown. Are there things I appreciate or miss about the community? Sure. There are things I liked about ex boyfriends, but it doesn't mean I'd go back to them either.
I had missionaries from Utah and Texas like two them that tried bring me back long time ago like years back now was in 2022 think
The ex boyfriend analogy is fabulous!
I think members/leaders are realizing that exposure to reasons for a person leaving the church is becoming to risky since there’s a lot more ability to find out how much information there is that contradicts the church’s narrative in just about everything.
Long after i left the church, i attended my younger brother's missionary homecoming sacrament meeting. The topic of the day was preventing apostacy. And the reason that they gave for why people apostatize? getting your feelings hurt by another member or leader and then not coming. Thats it. Nothing else.
Sadly they literally can’t conceive of all the problems Exmo’s have with their ‘only true church’ , ‘ only place to feel real happiness’ bullshit.
They're becoming so much better at it because they're getting so much practice with so many people leaving.
😂
I left because it’s not true. Nothing anyone can give me will make it any less untrue. 🤷♂️
Nevermo here. Love you guys.
I'm skeptical, but if the typical response now is just leave them alone and be their friend, good for those commenters. That at least shows that some rank and file members are starting to get it and is hopefully a trend.
As noted, this is a marked improvement compared to 5 or 10 years ago -- and you were a voice that helped shape this change. Wonderful to see; hopefully, we can continue to be a force for good, and to minimize suffering in the world, regardless of our relationship with Mormonism.
Full disclosure- I am a TBM. I appreciate your kind and rational approach to both sides of the issue.
Your position seems to me to come from love for your fellowmen regardless of their status of exmo or
active member. Thank you. This is the first time I have ever listened to you and I absolutely dislike almost all the anti Mormon sites because of their lack of being love based. If all of your viewpoints have been and continue to be based in love I would definitely listen to what you have to say. It is so refreshing to find in the space you’re in! Love is always the correct answer to any question in my opinion.❤️
Aww 🫶 All my love to you! 💕
Also check out Alyssa Grenfel she’s usually very good at being informative without being rude about it
@@Livi-i8e ☀️ I 💯 respectfully disagree. First you don't follow anyone. You beat to your own 🥁 . She is going the wrong way of how the universe really works. ⛵ A good captain sails away from the storm to calm 💦 waters. This way it's smooth sailing. Everyone has their own path but the universal laws are the same it's a path of good vibe energy 🌷 ( sugar sweet like Sugar house park) & that goes with the current of the river. ⛵ You can be sailing smoothly on your path & the laws of serendipity gently fall into place. The stream lays 🔅 The stream lays low & a gentle breeze makes is smooth sailing. You can be taken off course if you ignore your intuition 🔔 bell & don't cut ties gently & timely with incompatible "know it alls" that clash with your path, your being yourself, nature & essence. ☀️ ❤️ 🐬 Its really that simple. ⛵ S. M.
Excellent video Lex, i really needed this!
What would make me go back? I already have a list of things that would bring me back. The old history of evidence, etc is all a waste of time. But the current church has 8-9 big issues that need to change for me to going back and checking things out again. For instance one is they need to be completely transparent with money and spend way more in humanitarian aid in relation to income and investment returns. That is just one of about 8 things that I would need to see them confront. There are other things around areas like SA, LGBTQ+, church courts, etc. If those things dont change, nothing is bringing back a lot of people.
Very entertaining! Thank you!
I won't be going back to the cult, and from the proclamation they put out this summer, they don't want me back, anyway.
Must have missed that. What did they say? Ditto though, never going back!
@@knz10639 I am a trans woman. 68 years old, widowed, former High Priest. Now I will not be allowed any callings in the Church, especially involving children. I guess they feel that if one is trans, they must be a ravening chomo. They can go to hell. Everything Smith ever said was self serving bs, and he was a world class perv.
@@knz10639 I imagine this is referring to the new anti-trans policy. For my part, I'm considering removing my membership records over it.
Yeah, I'm also curious! What proclamation did they put out? I'm also someone they wouldn't ever want back lol.
@@chthonicClown They set rules that say that I can not hold any callings in the church, especially around children, and i am not allowed in the temple. Basically as a trans woman, I am only allowed to pay tithing.
I wish several people I know would take the advice most of those Reddit comments described!
Good points and observations. Some church members are honestly so of the mindset that they must convince you to come back, you made a mistake, to ask for forgiveness etc that they do not see it only makes it more clear why you might have chose to left in the first place. Part of my reasoning for leaving the church was the blind sheep like mentality that everyone had. I honestly felt like I was in a room of zombies sometimes because something would be said and everyone is nodding along and I'd look at my wife and ask her wait did you stop for a sec to think how or if that was possible or are you agreeing because of everyone else? I think she didn't want to admit she was part of the sheep herd. Good video.
The culture shifting is definitely happening.
I'm taking an online Intro to World Religions class at my community college (a secular college), and one of the things the instructor has asked us to keep in mind is that ALL religions evolve.
Too bad the church leaders decide to claim the church doctorine doesn't change, because God doesn't change, and its God's church so it won't change. (Except it's always changing.)
It's definitely a different church today than it was when I was a youth.
But that doesn't mean they have stopped all the abuse, become transparent financially, apologized for the past, and own up to the history. Yeah, I'm not going back.
Just like in the Matrix, you can't free an unwilling mind. People won't leave until they're ready to leave. Great vid!
I’ll go back to church when they admit the Book of Mormon is fictional, and when they refund my tithing.
So, never. 😂
"The longer they say the same things, the dumber they sound. Just let them talk." That is exactly what I think about religion. 😅
Same
When I left I was told I am free to leave and find a family I would choose for myself... but I still had to keep attending if I wanted to live under my parent's roof. I once skipped out on the YSA branch... some kind member told them they missed me at church today... I got kicked out. Later that night once a friend's parents had taken me in (and must have reached out to my own parents) I was contacted by them and told to come back home... times have absolutely changed in my family life, thank god.
Interesting! Do you think your parents were shamed into letting you come back home?
@@ceciliabrown6341 hmmm to an extent yes but also it would be uncharitable to say that's all there is to it. I think feeling shamed/pressured by the high control environment within the church had to do with why they kicked me out in the first place. What's positive is that things just aren't like that anymore. My dad couldn't be less of a believer and neither of them attend. It's kind of surreal thinking back and looking at the facts of how it was...
As someone who is over twice your age, I have to say you show such wisdom for a young woman. I'm not talking about your beliefs but about the way you think it's unwise to try to talk anyone into taking a direction either away, or toward the church. People need to decide for themselves when they are ready to do so. Supporting someone is great but telling them what to do generally backfires bigtime. Good for you, Lexi.
Pretty much the only ways someone can demonstrably show their life has gotten worse BECAUSE of leaving religion are either when people still in the religion choose to treat ex-beleivers worse (shunning, loss of community & relationships, etc) or lingering mental and emotional wounds from the years of land mines the religion planted under their skin. Other stuff that goes wrong is coincidental and plenty of people leaving religion have good coincidental experiences too.
Oh, the irony of someone who dutifully parrots their testimony over and over from the age of two saying that hearing yourself say something out loud makes it sound stupid...
Being a Gentile is a lot easier than being a ex Lds
After what happened to me I was deeply disappointed and hurt and sitting on the pew on Sundays was too painful. I’m actually happier not going to church. When you put your heart and soul into something and your hopes and dreams get crushed by someone that you least expected it affects you. Two years now and I’m just at a point where I’ve gotten over the feelings but just have no interest going back.
I left in the late 70's. One of them even came to my house with the offer of a calling in a desperate bid to get me back and involved.--which I turned down flat. Advice to those thinking of leaving--get your ducks in line beforehand. It is much more difficult to leave when you are in a generational Mormon family and even harder if you live in the Utah/Arizona/Idaho Mormon belt. And even more difficult if your employment is tied up with a Mormon owned/influenced business. If so you will have to have the strength to start over and rebuild your life (literally) as when you drop the leaving bomb, they/them in the church will shun and reject you--even down to losing your livelihood. So if you're in this situation, line up your ducks beforehand visa-a-vie employment, housing and so forth. If this is a family decision, this should be kept absolutely secret until the last moment. A clean getaway (house sold, etc.) is best breaking away from all contacts in the Mormon church--except that is for family. Leaving Mormonism outside of the influence of the Mormon-belt is simpler task, but still it requires a clean break from Church influences. It takes time. It's hard, but shortly you will get over the overwhelming stifling influence of the LDS.
I suppose I have starting judging Mormons harshly after leaving. I need to also be more respectful.
Yeah I think the bottom line is that the real problem is " Faith" Faith conditions people to believe things without evidence and that's a very bad thing. It's been said that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that's a much better policy to guide your life. So when people are conditioned to believe things without evidence when you show them evidence, they're going to go back on their faith and and reject the evidence out of hand
So glad my grandmother and grandfather ran away from this cult.
❤❤❤
I joined the church in the hopes of changing my life. But after 18 months there was no change in my life, didn’t fit in being a mid 40’s male with no kids. That’s why I walked away. It wasn’t for me
I left in 2019 when got excommunicated there headquarters in Utah they handle everything what on about some people are raised into it
I know that isn't the topic but i just wanted to tell you i really like how your hair looks
For some reason, the Mormons I talk too (except missionaries), rarely try to get me to return to the church and they don't try to refute my arguments. Maybe they sense I'm a lost cause. I will never go back but I leave it open so if I get a hit on the head and have a psychotic break, I can become a Mormon again.
Sundays off and a 10 percent raise. What more could you ask for???
Does anyone have any recommendations for exmo counselors/therapists, or how to find them?
My reasons for leaving were the extreme sexism and protection of abusers that I personally saw myself. I don't know if the church is true and I don't care if it is.
God himself could tell me that it was true and I'd gladly go to hell rather than worship a god who made me to me solely to be a bangmaid. Or one who supports abusers rather than victims of sa.
The only response I've ever seen to this reason for leaving has been "well that was just your bishop". They have no answers.
Maybe the reverse psychology of trying to explain to Mormons about their own church is beginning to slowly make a difference in the way members treat ex-members.
I know I have seen a Mormon apologist go ham on someone who disagreed with their beliefs and jumped right in to bolster the person bringing attention to the truth. Usually the person is someone who is/was investigating Mormonism and realized it wasn’t what they thought. The response to their skepticism usually became an immediate straw man pull, a passive aggressive comment, or even an attempt at character assassination.
Either way, I am a firm advocate for “treat others as they treat you,” and “have a taste of your own medicine. (Which is not a good habit, 10/10 do not recommend,) sometimes flipping the script can show a person their own reflection and bring them self-awareness. For others it just angers them. Anger is sometimes a sign that something about what someone is saying actually hit a nerve, and a person who can self-reflect will do so on that.
I hope lots follow that good advice. Might actually help them to get free too.
Now let me ask you a question about some people that I know and maybe you could do a video on it or reply in the comments but that might take too much space up. So here's the situation. The wife is a true believing Mormon and the husband left the church after research realizing he'd been lied to, now I think that the church is pushing temples and the wife wants to go to the temple and of course she can't do it without the husband rejoining the church. But the husband is never going to do that after compiling amount of evidence about dishonesty of the church leaders. And is possibly might break up the marriage. So what do you recommend in a situation like that?
I was waiting for some Joseph Smith is good and right stuff, but no 😢
Go in peace. This youtube channel name clearly includes the descriptor ex-mo, and thus, the content comes as no surprise. Furthermore, if you overlooked the ex-mo description, within a minute or less of viewing, the content theme is obvious. If you feel sad or displeased with the content, there are so many youtube channels to view, including the official youtube channel for the LDS church. Life is too short to keep viewing content that one finds distressing or displeasing, especially with so many available books, radio stations, TV stations, podcasts, video streaming services, music streaming services, magazines, social media platforms, and social media channels. The highest leaders of the LDS church have for decades been instructing LDS church members to avoid consuming media that present opinions and historical representations that differ from the official LDS church beliefs and historical representation or interpretations. The official LDS church website has an enormous approved library of talks, articles, and videos. You will find plenty of Joseph Smith is good content there at no cost to your wallet and with no distress to your mind.
D. Hoax.Oaks.
No temple for you.
As a Southern Baptist, what caused you to leave? I have a close friend of almost 6 decades and have prayed for years she would leave.
I was going to answer your question, but instead I’ll recommend you watch her first video. Explains her journey really well.
@@ceciliabrown6341 Well, I went back to look it up and traveled down another rabbit hole. I happened on one short video where she was reading quotes from the male hierarchy of the church. Being told repeatedly in comments that the lds don't criticize or condemn other denominations, I assumed my friend was just a very critical and outspoken person only to me because we were close. Imagine my surprise when I heard the quotes from Ballard, McConkle, Oaks, Young and Smith, etc. And the lds are offended when we say we don't believe they're Christians. Now I no longer suffer from pangs of guilt. I can finally brush my hands off, shake the feeling that I haven't witnessed enough to lds, and get on with witnessing to those that aren't so indoctrinated in a demonic cult that leads people down a dangerous path.
Thank you for the eye opener!
Step 1: engage MK Ultra
It's pretty dogmatic on Mormon channels, especially defending the Mormon religion against my authentic Evangelical Christianity.
That's NOT typical of TBM Mormons i interact with on Mormon channels.
Most ExMos confuse rejecting Mormonm as the same as rejecting historical Christianity and the TWO R completely different by their incompatible theologies.