What is an ALTO/TENOR HORN? Let's Find Out!
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Never thought I'd see an instrument that a euphonium could make fun of
Hey now, you act like euphoniums are on the bottom of the totem pole but they’re like the coolest brass instrument
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I'm a tuba player and I joke with my euphoniums about this. They get some cool parts, but I naturally make fun of them
Fair enough. I play euphonium in wind ensemble and basically dunk on the tubas constantly.
As a euph, real af
i’m the only euph in my band bc our senior left so i learned euph (from trombone, the actual best) so we would have one and they have MUCH more fun parts than trombone. trombones jus gets some fun lines here and there but euph actually gets some fun stuff a lot of the time😍😍
As a Mexican I can confirm that alto horns give a nice touch to our music such as banda music or sinaloense. The alto horn always sounds good with the tuba/sousaphone. It’s the perfect combo. I am a sousaphone player.
Yesss I was looking for somone to comment about that
Armonillero aquí 🙋🏾♂️
Yes I also like when the tenor horn plays fast at a banda
@@staffeando4099 saludos compa
@@saidoof9369 Yep that’s what I like when they start playing fast and start putting their own touch of articulations.
In Spain these instruments have been traditionally called "onnoven". Although the origin of this name is not clear, it's probably caused by a bad translation of "horn in Eb" (the "h" is not pronounced in Spanish). Nowadays it's really hard to find them in our wind/concert bands, maybe by the absence of specific repertoire
Pero eso no es un bombardino? XD
@@itsjustjosema no, el bombardino tiene un taladro cónico, y generalmente es una 3a ó 4a más grave (de Mib a Do-Sib). La boquilla también es más ancha, con una copa más profunda, y emite un sonido redondo y cálido. El onnoven, en cambio, produce un sonido más brillante, y un poco más débil.
@@CarlosTrompetista aja, ya veo. Yo soy clarinetista y no me muevo mucho en ese tipo de instrumentos. Gracias :)
In Mexico these are called "charchetas" and are basically exclusively used for off-beats and ornaments in banda music. I have no idea where the name comes from!
I think someone else mentioned this, but in Mexico they are called ‘Charchetas’ and are traditionally used in ‘Banda’ music, but now have been very popularized in ‘corridos bélicos’!! Very cool!!
This is probably the easiest most fun brass instroment ever
Yes I agree but its a bit obscure
As a trumpet player your probably not wrong
@@Alduintheworldeater im a trumpet player too and Its a lot easier than trumpet
@@LouieHodgson I would think so
yes you're correct
I AM SEEING A VIDEO OF MY INSTRUMENT!!!! I CANT BELIEVE IT!!!
IS THIS A VIDEO WITH MY INSTRUMENT?
I THOUGHT I WAS ALONE
LETS GOOOOO
I Play that instrument and its a beatiful instrument too
As a Greek, you can find these horns in every single municipality-owned marching band. They are used to play the drum parts, but they sound pretty good when they get something to play.
Very cool! I had no idea.
Yeah and we also call them “Jennys”
@@minasmigkosgymnastics8742 YEAA EXACTLY!! Even French horns we call Jennys. Why is that though? I never asked my conductor.
@@mortadelas Hahah no the French horns are called “French horns” actually 😆
It’s the first time I heard someone calling them by name “Jennys”
@@minasmigkosgymnastics8742 Here, every horn is a Jenny if you’re brave enough.
Fun fact: F. E. Olds made alto horns in the key of F! Apparently you could get a W shaped replacement main tuning slide that would lower it to Eb. They also have front pistons instead of top action, as I prefer.
That sounds more similar to the altonium by King, but pretty cool!
@@SamuelPlaysBrass The major difference between the two is that the King Altonium used a horn mouthpiece and the Olds uses an alto horn one.
I play baratone heheheheheeeee
My valve trombone was gifted by my uncle and he used to be in a Mexican band, when i got it i was confused for a while because i play baritone and the valve configuration where not the same it took me 4 hours to realize it was on the key of C
Ah yes, the C valve trombone. What a nightmare. I can’t imagine playing a C-pitched instrument in bass clef. Or does it read treble like in the brass band convention?
Valved trombones are similar to alto horns. The open notes of a valved trombone are identical to some alto horn notes.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I think it's bass. But in my opinion it has a beautiful sound. Some Mexican trombonists prefer the c version instead of the Bb one
I definitely have a soft spot for the valve trombone tone too, but I can’t say I know anything about the tone of a C valve trombone versus a Bb.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass my worse my nightmare.....is on the key of c but still plays base cleff notes that thing makes me wanna commit arson
Finally another tenor horn player
I play the full brass family with varying degrees of success and tenor is towards the bottom of the list in terms of my current skill level but I’ll definitely continue to play it and work on my chops!
Tbh I thought baritone horns were called tenor horns in the uk
Are the buttons like trumpet because i saw him use first button for the first few notes
Yep, same valve combinations in terms of written pitches as the trumpet.
I played this for a short time in my elementary school band. The teacher called it an E flat horn. I soon graduated to the E flat tuba.
Eb horn is a valid (and probably the single most universal) way to refer to this instrument. The alto-tenor naming discrepancy makes me want to pull my hair out, especially because I think the Brits have it utterly wrong. Anyway, enough soapboxing for now.
I LOVE the Eb tuba! I have heard professional tubists say there's "no such thing" as a good Eb, but I think it just takes someone who's grown up with one and knows how to give it the right kind of love and care in their approach to playing it.
Same for me 😮😮. Eb tuba is much more my taste
In México is called "Charcheta", or in english it doesn't mean anything but you can translate as "Charchet"
But it's real spanish name is "Saxor".
Used to play the tenor horn it's really nice to play and sounds decent
I play Baritone to and 100% love this and improve it!
Please actually read the title and the captions when you watch. This is not a baritone. It is a different instrument that is higher pitched than the baritone.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass ohhhh
The Mexican/Latin bands that use these call them “Charcheta”. There are usually 2-3 players on them in the section, often playing the root, 3rd, and 5th of the chord, in various inversions. In fast 3/4 tunes, they produce a frenetic and absolutely constant “Boop-Boop, Boop-Boop, Boop-Boop, Boop-Boop!!” on beats 2 and 3!
Omg I’ve never heard of another Eb instrument other than the alto and baritone saxes
The brass family has several! Eb trumpet, Eb soprano cornet, this Eb alto/tenor horn, Eb alto trombone, and the Eb bass tuba! All very cool instruments!
Alto clarinet
Can you explain keys? Does it naturally play E flats? I just don’t understand what’s different between a C instrument and a Bb instrument
If you write out music for an Eb horn, if you write a C, it will sound like an Eb on a piano
A brass instrument’s “pitch” or “key” determines the series of notes it can play with no valves pressed down. In ascending order, a Bb trumpet can play the sounding pitches Bb-F-Bb-D, etc. without valves, an Eb alto horn can play Eb-Bb-Eb-G, an old G bugle will play G-D-G-B, etc.
These notes are called the “harmonic series,” which is always a major arpeggio centered around the note in the instrument’s name-Bb trumpet, F horn, etc.
Here in Lithuania thers alot of alt horns i plau with one too
My hair when I wake up:
No Brasil foi muito usado nas antigas bandas filarmônicas , é chamado de Saxhorn In Brazil it was very used in the old philharmonic bands, it is called Saxhorn
It is one of the instruments in the saxhorn family, but that term is not quite as precise as alto horn.
Brass band instruments go crazy
I've played that piece before. Fantasy on British Sea Songs or something like that
That’s the one!
i played that instrument before now i play the french horn
Interesting. In Eastern Europe we call these “Alto Horn”. A tenor horn is in Bb, like the Baritone and Euphonium, but a slightly different shape.
That’s the naming convention that I prefer, but the Brits insist on calling this a tenor.
In Australia it is tenor horn and its in e flat
@@cccason9165 Yeah, because the Aussies took on the Brits’ silly naming convention.
They used that in the early 1900's Jazz bands
Really? I've never seen that. Any particular bands? I know the Stan Kenton band used mellophoniums but those are very different and in the key of F.
I played that shit as a child. Kinda miss it tbh
I have these at my highschool and I asked my teacher what they were and he basically said they were smaller tubas in a way at least I think that's what he said I may be recalling that wrong but I find them interesting
They look a little like tubas and I think they technically evolved from the same family of instruments in the 1800s but they sound pretty different from tubas!
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I've never seen them before these and quite a few brass instruments I would've considered just trumpets earlier in life and other thing I now know about and it's probably not even half of them, very cool to continue learning about cool things I could play some day
I own a horn kinda like this. It's an Austrian horn but I can't find anything about it on Google besides the fact that it's an upright bb baritone
In argentina is used widely in marching bands
Being a brass person as well, is there a reason why you used 23 combination on the high Eb? It seems to have the same harmonic series as a Bb trumpet from the music you have displayed and your valve combinations. I'm just curious if it's something odd in this instrument's harmonic series that makes it so you have to play the high Eb as 23 and not just 2 like you would on a normal Bb Trumpet?
That’s a really good question! I’ve found instruments in the keys of C or Eb are naturally a little less in-tune than Bb. For instance, on Bb trumpet you almost always plays open on E and 2nd on Eb, but on C and Eb trumpet it’s more standard practice to use 12 and 23 for those notes respectively.
in which style do they occupy it in Eastern Europe?
greetings from Mexico, here the wind bands and even string groups use it to make harmony
Unfortunately it also serves a background role in Eastern European ensembles. The UK is one of the only cultures to recognize the alto’s potential as a solo or melodic instrument. Very disappointing. Almost everywhere else in the world, it either sustains chord tones in slower music or plays constant offbeats in livelier, more folk-like music.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass thankfully here in Australia we have British style Brass Bands, so Tenor Hornists actually have a use. And because of that, I actually managed to get myself into a couple of Concert bands on French Horn parts.
Yeahhh
That's a saxhorn made by Adolphe-
Adolphe sax! Of course! Who else would have made it!
Yep, the Eb alto and Bb baritone horns of the brass band are just about the last remaining modern saxhorns. Even they have evolved though. A feature of saxhorns is that they have a mostly cylindrical leadpipe and the tuning happens before the valve section, whereas this modern design has a shorter and more conical leadpipe, with the tuning slide being positioned after the valves.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass that's very interesting! Thank you for telling me that!
I really want one of these
They’re lots of fun! You sort of get hooked on playing alto if you start.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I already play like all the insturments tho
Cool
It’s used in Mexican banda music
Yes, I said this in the video captions.
I play the tenor and the french horn. 🤣
Same lol
Cool I play tenor saxophone
I seriously need to know whether trombone timo is an alt or side account cuz he uses your content alottt
And gets a lot of views
I don’t think Timo’s ever “used my content”-what do you mean exactly?
@@SamuelPlaysBrass perhaps I may have seen the wrong user and after double checking it wasn’t timo, my apologies. Though I do remember before I found your channel someone had you playing the cornet as their video,But that is irrelevant now as the user stopped. Also, I wanted to say how underrated your channel was. One of my best friends growing up in middle school and still today said how hard it is to be skilled with trumpet.
I know you play all brass but what was your first instrument you learned to play ?
My first/main instrument was the trumpet. I’m glad that’s what I started on because if my main had been a lower instrument, playing the trumpet would have proved extremely challenging.
@@SamuelPlaysBrassI'm also glad that I play the trumpet because if I want to play on a lower instrument the fingerings are the same in the treble clef and I can get those high notes
You're killing it my brother !
It’s more common now in Mexican music we got all sorts of stuff with alto horn now❤
I did mention this in the video captions. Glad to see it happening.
Frrr we put it wit accordions, guitars, and banda
Great Samuel!😁👍👏👏👏
So its an alto version of the baritone?
Pretty much!
Now, see that played on an alto trombone with no valves or triggers. That is the real challenge. The Chuck Norris challenge. Trombone Timo would have no problem as he transcribes high alto trombone and French Horn parts and blasts through them with full fortissimo. 😂😂😂😅😅😅
Okay, cool. Not everything needs to be a challenge or a competition. There’s a time and place for everything.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass It was just a joke. Some guys like Trombone Timo like to mess with the baritone/euphonium and French horn players. lol
? That range is very easy on the Eb alto trombone. No Bb-attachment needed.
Mini euphonium/baritone?
It’s from the same category of brass instruments as the baritone, so I guess that’s a valid assessment.
Can you play a baritone
Definitely! There’ll be baritone and euphonium content coming soon, both under the Videos and Shorts tab on my channel.
Hi , can you send me the ring tones for the song the last of the Mohicans???? Please
Cool!
I thought it was callrd a saxhorn...oh and you're very cuteʕっ•ᴥ•ʔっ
It is part of the saxhorn family. The saxhorn family includes instruments such as the cornet, alto horn, and baritone horn.
The most British song ever
This instrument in banda or corridos belicos 🔥👍
What mouthpiece does it use? I play trombone and have always been interested in a valve instrument like this.
You’d be looking to play the baritone or euphonium, not alto horn. This instrument uses a mouthpiece sized in between trumpet and trombone.
Oh ok thanks
I have the same baritone
It’s not a baritone. The whole point of this video is to educate people about what this instrument is: an alto horn.
Is that the same key as a trumpet or a tuba
Neither. Trumpet, trombone, baritone, euphonium, and tuba are all in the key of B-flat. This is in the key of E-flat.
Oh okay thanks I play Sax
Tubas come in 4 standard keys, this is in Eb, so it’s in the same key as the Eb tuba. It’s closer in pitch to the trumpet though, it’s fundamental is a 5th below.
@@tenor1190 for the purposes of beginning band tubas are almost always in BBb here in the US. No point in getting into the weeds for the sake of a rudimentary discussion.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass yea true enough, but it might be valuable to other people, if not the original poster. Besides, I reckon it’s important to mention since Eb tubas are so popular in the traditions where tenor/alto horns are used. It wasn’t a correction to your comment either, I just wanted to add a little more nuisance.
I know what It is my band uses it and cornet, s
Rqndom thing that no one eill care about but im a scottish piper and this sounds scarily close to castle rock road.
Wait, where is it used in Eastern Europe? I'm in the Balkans, and I've hardly seen any of these (despite owning a bell front one).
You might occasionally see oval-shaped ones (like the Kaiserbariton but smaller) in regions like Bavaria, Ukraine, or Russia. They’re not terribly common, but I spent a couple years playing on a fun little Kyiv-made oval rotary alto.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass yeah, I've seen those. I want one! I see a lot of Bohemian (oval) baritones/tenorhorns out here in Macedonia. Check out Uska Kan from Macedonia.
THIS IS WHAT WAS AT THE ARTS SCHOOL THAT WAS PREFORMING AT OUR SCHOOL I THOUGHT IT WAS A PICCOLO TUBA
There are lots of instruments that are oriented like tubas but smaller--alto horns, baritones, euphoniums, etc.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass ive never seen them because my school only has trumpets trombones baritones and tubas
hahaah! love it!
my band just calls it the baby baritone
Eh, close enough.
The UA-cam channel extra concert band instruments writes alto horn parts for concert band
Very cool! Thanks for showing me their channel. Writing for these nonstandard instruments is an underappreciated art.
US - Baby Baritone
Yo that’s the exact instrument I play but a bit bigger and silver
Are you sure it’s an alto horn then? Pretty sure what you’re describing is a baritone.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass yes I play a baritone, it’s just I’ve never found one that looks like mine, they all look so weird
@@JibbyChip ooh if this alto horn looks like your baritone and you haven’t seen many others like it, then chances are you play a British style baritone! Look up a Yamaha YBH-301, should be a similar style.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass ok… but mine is Yamaha, the brand is “Schagerl” BH800S
Edit: Yes that does appear to be most similar to mine (about exactly the same if you will), but mine is a different brand
So it’s similar to a mello ?
Not really. Sure, somewhat similar range and their tone qualities aren’t entirely different, but the mellophone is in F, has a forward-facing bell with a much larger flare, and uses a much smaller and shallower mouthpiece. The mellophone is better suited to the high register and generally sounds best when there are many of them playing in unison. The alto horn (of which there are three in the brass band) serves much better as a solo instrument. They serve different roles in their respective ensembles, even if each “imitates” the F horn to some extent.
I am plaiyng on Tenor Horn, but looks somehow else than that. What am I playing on is much bigger.
Perhaps you are playing on the German tenorhorn, which is lower-pitched in Bb. I prefer the German naming convention. My sincere belief is that the instrument I am playing on in this video is an alto horn (althorn), but British bands insist on incorrectly calling it a tenor.
It's a mini tuba
Nah. That’s the euphonium you’re thinking of. This has narrower tubing that doesn’t flare out nearly as much as a tuba or euphonium would.
it is the same as the trumpet?
It’s in a different (lower) key, so no. However, it reads music the same way and uses the same fingerings, so there are similarities.
Heyy
Alto Horn : A malnourished cousin of Euphonium
In France, we call it "la pichote" 😂
Alto
…alright?
i might be one of the last surviving fans of these
Always glad to see some alto horn appreciation. They’re still alive and well in mariachi and brass band culture though!
I uses to play that then switched to baritone I don't know the full name
Out of curiosity, did you grow up playing in a British brass band? I rarely hear of people starting on an alto/tenor horn in any other scenario.
EUPHONIUM IS THE BEST BRASS INSTRUMENT
I agree, but you know this isn’t a euphonium, right?
@@SamuelPlaysBrass yes,I know
It is in the same key as a b flat trumpet
No, I said in the on-screen captions that this instrument is in the key of Eb, making it lower than the Bb trumpet.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass the song
@@JackDemp719 regardless of the song, the alto horn in Eb always reads a key signature that’s different from the Bb trumpet. For flat keys, one less flat. For sharp keys, one more sharp.
it looks like a british style baritone
Correct. Both are used as harmony instruments in the British brass band.
Tiny trumpet euphonium
Brass alto saxophone?
I mean, they are in the same key, but that’s where the similarities end
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I call it a mini tuba
That’s a euphonium you’re thinking of.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I mean it looks like a mini tuba
I name thee “Alto trombone with pistons”
Haha, in theory that’s true, but the alto horn has a bit more tonal nuance and softness to the sound than an alto trombone, much like the baritone horn versus the tenor trombone.
It's also called a baritone horn.
Please read the on-screen captions before jumping to conclusions. This is not true. I specified in the captions that the alto or tenor horn is higher pitched than the baritone. It is in Eb rather than Bb.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Aight brotha don't gotta be a dipshit about it. I kinda liked you, now I dont because you show zero respect for others
깔끔한 음색은 아니지만 아마추어라면 이정도면 그래도 앙상블하는데는 문제가 없을것 같네요~금관피스악기는 참 어렵습니다~
I play tenor horn in Hampshire County junior band go check it out on UA-cam
we called it a pecker horn in the army band
What mouthpiece size
About halfway between a trumpet and trombone mouthpiece. Very awkward if you’re not used to it.
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soprano euphonium????
Kind of, but less conical than a euphonium.
Bro please leave some girls for the rest of us🙏🙏🙏🙏
Or Also a Peck Horn
I never liked that term. This horn can do plenty more than just peck.
I thought it was a tiny tuba
You’re not the only one to think that. I made this video so people could learn about this lesser-known instrument and know that it’s not just a tuba that spent too long in the dryer.
A Alto Horn ist tuned in Es and a Tenor Horn is tuned in Bb. Thats the Differenz.
This is true only in the German naming convention. The British naming convention calls this instrument, in Eb, a tenor horn. With that said, I prefer the German convention.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass In Germany it givee Alt Horn in Es thats xou Instrument, than It gives Tenor Horn in Bb that youur Instrument in Bb and IT gives Tenorhorn in Bb thats a similar Instrument like the Baritone.
Yes, I’m aware, as I said. But Germany is one of the only parts of the world to use this system.
In Australia a tenor horn is in eb
In Russia we call it an alto
I believe everybody does besides Great Britain, Australia, and New Zealand.
not me thinking it was a trumpet 😭
Lol, since when do trumpets face upward like that?
@@SamuelPlaysBrass idk lol
italiani che canzone avete pensato che fosse all’inizio? 😂😂😂
what is the size of your mouthpiece
This one had no markings but if I remember correctly it was a copy of a Denis Wick 2 or 3.
Isn’t that a baritone
No, common misconception. Please read the captions I put on screen. The baritone is in low Bb, and this instrument is a fourth up, in the alto key of Eb.
kinda disappointing the alto horn wasn't in alto clef lmao
I'm so glad it isn't. I hate reading alto trombone parts in alto clef as is.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass oh lol
it's the lame cousin of the euphonium!
Nope. Different family of instruments. The euphonium is a solo instrument of the tuba family, and this is a harmony instrument of the saxhorn family. I should have been more informative in the video, but the whole point is to raise awareness that this isn’t just a shrunken baritone or euphonium.