As a marching band player i know what you mean. But we still do this as a showmanship point. Watch some drum Corps competitions. Then you’ll get what i mean.
@@RadenWA In the manga/anime, that character is just a typical punk aesthetic Japanese kid that bleached his hair. So no need for an "actual blonde person."
When we did parades we would march and dance along to the music and sometimes we would do movements like that and although we could still play it didn't sound quite nice.
@@andoeniespinoza5736 I can imagine, cause you got aerodynamic interference on a wind instrument, lololol. I can see how challenging it is to sound good and do this crazy stuff while moving and turning as you play. You can get away with a lot of this stuff in singing so long as the movements allow the torso and windpipe to stay aligned, but then there's the issue of the vocal projection meandering, lol. Michael Jackson was a jazz dancer and developed very unique dance movements so he could dance while keeping his torso stable so that he can still sing properly. You can do all kinds of things with your hands and shoulders and legs, contrary to what many people think of when they visualize singing (I saw someone comment that a concert performance was fake because the guy was walking while singing, LOL).
Yeah in field shows we’ll twist around and do fun visuals but with a key caveat: The instrument has to move the exact same way our head does (clarinets/oboes have some wiggle room). As a flutist the flute thing was p bad and would be impossible to play much at all. The most intricate visuals are during rests bc you can do whatever
In Japan, all cameras are legally required to make a shutter sound. This is because the Japanese government is trying to fight against upskirt photographers. It is messed up, but it was common enough in Japan that the government felt the need to put this law in place. Some smart phone companies even use the GPS on your phone to know if you are in Japan. They will force your camera's sound on when you enter the country and only turn it off when you leave.
That’s crazy I never knew that was such a problem over there If I ever go to Japan I’ll only pack hazmat suits and that popular dinosaur thing you can wear
@@itzelramirez4801 sadly it's quite common everywhere in Japan. Because of stressful environment, there are tons of people who relieve their stresses by harassing someone else. Including myself, so many of my friends have experienced something similar. And even if it happened on a train, during daytime and people around you realized what's going on, or even if you asked for their help, most of people will just ignore you😢
Compared to the other videos, this isnt a roast but a lightly toasted marshmallow Edit: unholy violas this is the most likes ive ever gotten on a comment
@@NinjaToe Nodame actually focuses on the music so much, it's in fact quite educational. Your Lie in April, however, seems to be just teenage angst and onion-cutting drama for the most part. *flame shield up*
@@NinjaToe I watched all 3 seasons of the Anime, I know already. Sky High is one of my favourite things ever, it introduced me to Rach PC2 3rd movement.
“Normally the conductor doesn’t walk in before they’ve finished tuning” Loooooolllll our conductor has to supervise us while we tune cos we’re all just completely incompetent
Maybe but basses can’t as basses (even in this video I think) have to sit on a ledge, and also they would hit the stand because we have to sit closer to our music to all fit
Brett: "I'm glad they put some sort of effort- trying to make it more realistic" The orchestra: *cellos spin, violinists lift violins sacrilegiously high, flutes start tweeting at the ceiling*
As a wind player, you have to be very careful elevating your instrument because as you play, saliva builds up in the instrument, and if you tilt your instrument to high, guess what's headed straight to your throat!
@@janne7263 At least some of it is saliva. Fluid droplets come out of your mouth when you blow air, not just when you intentionally spit. That's why coughing spreads airborne diseases more easily compared to exhaling from your nose with your mouth closed
@@dhu2056 There's no actual rule for that, except that the strings always go outside. In fact, 2nd violins normally sit next to the 1st (inside), and outside go either the cellos or the violas. So this is pretty standard. Then, again, if the conductor says the trombones should sit at the front and the cellos next to the timpani, then that's the way they do it (not that I've seen it happen). But yes, violas outside is pretty standard in some orchestras.
As@@federicoandre5717said, there's no fixed rule (except that first violins go on the conductor's left). Second violins on the outside (at the conductor's right) was very common up until around the middle of the 20th century, and it is today more common in Europe than in the USA. (The cellos then usually go next to the first violins and the violas next to the seconds.) A lot of standard orchestral repertoire from the 18th, 19th and (early) 20th centuries has passages that exploit the "antiphonal" arrangement of the two violin sections for special effects; these are lost in when the second violins sections are next to the first.
Imagine being a professional orchestra musician having to play with the actor's weird conducting. I'm pretty sure they were like "we're not being paid enough for this shit"
After this is over, they go back to being professional musicians and have a funny story to tell. Now, imagine that you are an actor or director who worked to perfect your craft, but got stuck working on live action TV adaptations of popular manga for the rest of your professional career...
Actually that wouldn't happen. They're looking up, but not directly upwards. The condensation won't come out, provided that you're playing the instrument correctly. The trumpets and horns, on the other hand...idk how they'd feel.
Also in Brazilian Carnaval. "Baterias" (the set of percussionists, drums and all sort of instruments) also do that marching and playing for at least 70 minutes.
@@joseito1609 but not the main. The typical "hair color tells who the main character is" doesn't work for the main couple here. The character with the hair has a story reason for it. It's one of the reasons this show is relatable.
14:28 as a trumpet player, I can tell you this is very possible. Horn flashes are pretty common in marching bands, and just to have some fun during a song. Marching band also tends to require a higher horn angle because your audience is above you. (It's super fun when the spit starts rolling back through the mouthpiece) tl;dr: It's just trumpets being trumpets :)
Yeah all the things they’re saying “I don’t know if that’s possible for the winds” are just common marching band moves. As long as your shoulders move separately from your core it’s totally doable :p I would love them to watch a DCI show! I know fuck all about orchestra but I’d love to see what they think of my first love: an entire football field of band kids. 😂
two set: We really appreciate how the spent time trying to make it look more realistic! next scene: *violins raise towards the heavens and the cello players go sicko mode and turn into beyblades*
As a flute player, the sacrilegious posture at the end kinda bothers me. You might be able to pull it off, but you would need to move your head very precisely to keep the flute in tune. If it rolls in or out the flute will go out of tune. And a gold flute produces a more mellow and rich tone if anyone is wondering.
As another flute player i can confirm that, plus your air flow would probably be messed up enough for your pitch to sound like it is on a rollercoaster.
Yes!! Especially about sound and how it works with different instruments and stuff. I loved that bit about it all with Olaf the luthier. Ah crap i exposed my inner nerd again 🤓
Lang had tweeted about it: twitter.com/lang_lang/status/9641570826 And there's some Japanese interview (Sorry I can't find English version) www.nodame-orche.com/langlang/
Lol my marching band during our fight song and hype song (But also just regular visuals during marching shows, like fr I wish twoset would review some of the top DCI shows from the 2000’s-2010’s because they would be absolutely in awe)
Yeah but they do not rise it up so high, I think, it is much more gentle and more left right motion than sharply high left right motion...I think it would be very difficult. I tried it once only a little swing and it so so much harder, this sharp big rapidly motions would be very difficult, almost impossible... For example: ua-cam.com/video/DPOeGWl6x4E/v-deo.html yes they are moving with intstrument, but 1) they are not moving just the instrument from left right, they are moving with 2) the instruments are not risen up to the sky, they are just moving from left to right or vice versa... and that is the major difference, why is so unreal, even if ska brass players do it, because they do it naturally...
Violinists talking about how humble they are? They're the most humble. In fact, they'll let you know that there is no one more humble in the whole orchestra. 😄
I mean, I dropped out because it was too stressful.... Also, marching was forever ruined in sixth grade when I was forced to march with a french horn rather than a mellophone.
eksentrysyti not if you’re a snare or Tom you can tell if they mess up because I’ve been in a few *incidents* where I may or may not have been playing off beat
As a drum major, I'm just here to remind y'all that if I mess up and the rest of the show is an utter cacophony of nonsense, it's y'all's fault! At least that's what the general audience thinks lol
I’m pretty sure most of the orchestra members were from a real orchestra and the obvious bad ones are some of the main characters in the story, thus not a real munition... they are actors. But I remember seeing interviews about how they hired musicians to teach them the correct bowing and fingerings, correct positions for piano also. The original manga artist is known for the accurate details of the some what niche themes she chooses, and she only agreed for this to be in live action if they could do it accurately. A lot of people my generation loves classical music and/or started playing instruments because if this drama! Also my school orchestra played Beethoven’s 7th symphony because we were so influenced by this... lol
Yeah, that last Chinese movie was so horrible! I know nothing about classical music but those scenes hurt my eyes, can't believe the director sees that and "yeah it's good"
@Garrett yes, they each played in several different orchestras and they both were also the concertmaster in those orchestras for several years. it's all on their website. very impressive.
Just a little basic info on Nodame Cantabile (Live Action): The girl listening extremely intently was Nodame, the protagonist and a gifted but lazy pianist. The conductor was Chiaki, the male lead and also an accomplished pianist. He was one of those extremely serious/intense people, and just started learning to conduct. But the first assignment he got was to work with the university's worst orchestra, the S Orchestra (a lot of the members couldn't even play in tune when they first started). All of these people were university students, not professionals (yet). The concertmaster was one of those typical rebels who didn't want to be restrained by the usual conventions of classical musicians (hence the attire). The group of misfits made a pact with Chiaki to add something 'extra', which is why there was all that spinning and 'interesting' poses at this first performance (also the first time he had fun conducting). The man wearing that long wig and shouting "Bravo!" in the audience was a world-class conductor (with a weird personality and many issues). Chiaki became his apprentice, and this performance was sort of a test to see if he would qualify. So while the critique on the technical aspects (violin-playing, conducting) were on point, the other things pointed out were completely reasonable within the context of the series. It was one of those occasions where manga/anime-style exaggerations were incorporated, but remained perfectly plausible. You can't imagine everyone acting like this. But you can easily see _these_ people behaving that way.
@Lailene Rodriguez-Ordas No prob. Nodame was one of my favourite live-action depictions of music. Thanks for pointing out the corresponding anime episode.
I’m mostly just shocked that I figured all of this out based on anime tropes- like seriously guessing 80% of the plot. 😂 I think the overall context of live-actions is very important. But it’s hard to get as big of a laugh, or a reasonable length of a video when you share all of that context. I can understand the balancing act of a UA-camr giving a reaction.
@@OneWhoDreamsAwake Yeah, 2Set did a good job. There was nothing wrong with this video. As professional musicians, they balanced objective criticism with recognition of the effort put in by the actors. I just wanted to leave the context here for those who might be interested, or who saw the anime and never watched the original (it came out before the anime, and is, in my opinion, much better in terms of character development). People tend to assume that adopting anime-style things into live-action would be cringey, but this one was honestly well done. Not only was the music great, but it also showcased the real struggles musicians go through, all in a humorous way. It may not be as new and shiny as productions filmed in recent years, but it's a classic. Of all the music-themed films, TV series, and anime I've seen, this was hands down my favourite.
Isnt it kind of wired that the blonde guy didnt like being "restrained"? Like... why did he pick up violin and classical music let alone playing in an orchestra. He couldve chosen guitar and play in a rock band or smth. It is tacky and annoying to see these little "rebelious" unique attitudes and even tricks (the twists and turns of the instruments) being incorporated into something that is supposed to be already pretty meaningful and beautiful on its own with no need for these kind of acts. I havent read or watched anything about nodame cantabile si there might me more to it.
@@randomme3095 What's wrong with wanting to become a classical musician but not liking stuffy clothes? Orchestral musician attire isn't just formal, it's stifling. Wearing tails, cummerbunds/waistcoats, and bowties while trying to play difficult pieces is _not_ conducive to playing well. Also, notice that this wasn't exactly a formal occasion either. They were performing in front of the school, no one else. And why can't rebels become classical musicians (not that there's anything wrong with rock)? Many of the best classical composers in history were rebels who went against the convention of the time, experimented with new sounds/technique, and created revolutionary pieces. Most of them weren't even remotely decorous, and did all sorts of outrageous things with their pieces, during performances, and in their daily lives. The concertmaster here was a classically-trained violinist who practised for years, aiming to become a classical violinist. He had to fine-tune his playing before this, but the potential was always there. The S Orchestra was filled with university students, some aiming to become professionals, some just wanting to learn music. They didn't distort the music, just designed a funny gesture that was unique to them. What's wrong with adding a bit of unnecessary but individualistic quirk? And yes, I'm a classical musician. I wholeheartedly approve of what they did in the context of the series. Finally, I completely agree with the last sentence of your comment.
One weird thing I noticed as a percussionist: disregarding the timpani dude’s playing (is bad), he should only have 2 timpani. It’s true that we usually have 4 to 5 timpani onstage at most concerts, but this is a Beethoven only concert, and during Beethoven‘s day, there were only the two middle timpani, the 26” and the 29”. Since they only needed the middle two, why bother bringing the other two with? Timpani are heavy and cumbersome, and you never bring more than you need. Why waste energy on them just to bring them back without playing them once? Big goof
My question was in what world is their only one percussionist. I can only imagine in a normal setting how many parts he would have to cover. The pain. The pain
Listen, I'm no professional when it comes to playing clarinet, but this 17:13 - 17:14 *this* is how you get neck injuries (not to mention the whole clarinet section's going to sound like a flock of ducks being strangled)
Lancelot 3469 i really find it weird that people click on a vid just to dislike it. To be that fast you probably need to be subscribed and have the notification button on. They are also just giving the creator a free view...
Flautist here: The one girl is not playing a professional flute. Pro flutes have a B foot joint (so they can play one note deeper, the B...)...these flutes are louder (and longer/heavier)...you need that to be heard in an orchestra...
I don’t even believe the girl is a flautist. In the one scene that zooms on her the notes are changing but her fingers remain down and don’t move at all. As well as that, the flute doesn’t appear to be making much contact with the groove of her chin, and her right hand is bent down and is not up. She also doesn’t tilt the flute down, she holds it up straight which isn’t typical of a professional player.
@@wayneshih8064 Yeah, you‘re actually right, i looked it up…i wasn‘t aware that pros use the flute with a c foot too, if they want :)…BUT: There sure are a couple of pieces that you cannot play in the original form without the low B note, eg Jolivet‘s flute concerto…but pro flautists generally got more than one flute, they sure got all the joints they need :)
For a little bit of context, that orchestra was done during the school/university days. It was not a normal orchestra and all the members are consist of bad/showing students that a well-known teacher pickup just to mess around. Due to jealousy, that teacher fell out and that student conductor takes over. You could say it was their first time performing in front as an orchestra and as a student do weird stuff just to gain attention. The actors in that orchestra are the conductor(the main protagonist), concertmaster, timpanist, flute, oboe, and bass( I forgot the name of instrument )...
As a trumpet player, I can 100% verify that we do exactly what Brett points out at 14:28, just not in performance. The movement is easy to get used to with practice, especially with marching experience
As a member of the superior silver-plated trumpet master race, it is actually fairly common to play like that in marching or outdoor bands. It's really not common in sitting bands because you have to more of your body to get the same effect. If you are the OU Marching 110, though, you don't care about any of that and yeet yourself across the field at mach 10.
The anime Nodame is way way more accurate. Don't let the live action distract you from that. Also,the dude is an actor, but if I'm not wrong his character was also definitely not the best violinist in the orchestra (btw he likes playing the dreaded electric violin like in our favourite talent shows if you know what I mean) but still was made concertmaster due to some circumstances.
Twoset roasts are somewhat like cinemasins. They roast purely the specific portrayal by the actor(s) in that specific scene. Any other details are not a concern
@@inevra4053 That's a bit unfair, Twoset clearly don't try to conjure artificial mistakes (like SS). They didn't watch the entire show and don't know the context, naturally, so they have to assume this is some ordinary orchestra performance.
Well, 'not the best violinist' shouldn't play worse than other 'regular' violinists in the orchestra. And no, Twoset's opinion shouldn't change even if they know the whole plot. What's the point of comparing it with actual orchestra if they do that?
@@ThomasSMuhn They do address it as such but towards the end, Eddy says the show is good so maybe they've seen it before they roasted it. Judging the scenes as objectively as possible might be better for a roast because if they'll be defending via context, it won't be as consistent with how they've done roasts so far. Also, they obviously have to nitpick ones with the more blatant mistakes. I honestly thought they'd be harsher on the instrument spinning and back arching but maybe they've been lenient cos other shows have done exponentially worse, or they do know some context. As the viewers, we should be able to asses the rest of the drama disregarding the accuracy of portrayal (however knowing those failures definitely contributes to the viewing experience). And maybe Twoset hopes that from all the other tips and facts they've given, everyone even non-musicians will be able to know the difference.
To be fair, this is the "Special Orchestra", which is made up of the school's loser-musicians. They just turn out to be the Underdog Good Musicians in the end.
Nah won't do man. They are not in highschool anymore. In university you can actually expect them to be good. For drama sake and cause of the perfectionism of the MC hey showed them as pretty bad xD
14:30 If you’re a show marching band like my high school marching band was then trumpets moving like that is totally normal and totally possible. I was a Clarinet and we would swing our instruments around while play them. At certain points in shows in between our marching movements we would stop and boogie. 17:26 you’d be suprised what you can do with a flute. We had them in my marching band.
I get making a song animated but marching band is not orchestra, you swing your horn and move your feet in a way that looks professional in marching band, you sit still and look professional in orchestra
@@Unfoundrumors yeah, I didn’t say anything regarding that. I was just explaining that it was possible. We never swung our instruments around in concert band.
Doreen Ketchens begs to differ. But then again, that's jazz. Idk, it's possible if you're moving your head around for sure though to keep the embouchure (which it looks like the players in the video are? I cant really get a good frame stop to tell)
Lois nah, you definitely can. the sound comes out a fair bit worse but you definitely can without any trouble if you’re at least between beginner and intermediate levels
I like the part when Eddy and Brett talk about conducting, then give out an example of how conductor should give instructions to the orchestra, then Eddy ends up saying "Conducting is an art form" as conclusion. And Brett's showing the phrasing and difference on the violin between the conducting of the professional and the one in the movie. I mean, you guys really do love classical music to the point that there's an aura spreading when you talk about it. I would say, play F for respect 👍 💚💙 Oh, and Eddy's comment on the gold flute: "Gold flute. It's a real thing, more expensive, but makes richer sound" xD
@@waytoohypernova it might be a reference to a meme featured in Ling Ling 40 hrs about a composer's last work with a sudden F with no explanation and the op saying "did he predict press 'f' to pay respect" Sorry, I forgot the important details of that meme.
@Chris Pearson One question: does waving the trumpet around while playing induce doppler shifts audible in the audience? I'm kinda thinking Lesley here...
Honestly, as a pianist myself, this is my favourite Japanese drama about music and orchestra. I really eddy and brett would dive deeper into the story to know why the conductor was not as good and the performance has come in an exaggerating way. Nodame Cantabile became popular amongst musicians for a reason
Would be funny, as he is so insecure and being carried by the section so hard that he forgets he's the one leading and starts following the ones who are following him :D
When Brett and Eddy said that it looked like the orchestra was conducting itself, my orchestra conducor actually cued us in and then left he stage until the end of the piece to let us conduct ourselves and so that the people in the middle of the wind orchestra could be seen by the parents. Bear in mind it was a training wind orchestra so the piece wasnt neccessarily the hardest thing out there, but it was still kinda hard. So it is possible for an orchestra to conduct itself.
As a professional musician we performed under the baton of a very famous conductor (whom I shall not name) who was often so drunk that no one could follow him. When this happened all musicians followed the Concertmaster instead. Unbelievably no music critic ever commented on this and we never heard anyone in the audience talk about it either. Thank God for the Concertmaster!
Scott Cho the cellos in my orchestra had to do that once... it was a training youth orchestra so we were like 12 and a bit shit but still made me wince every time lol
This series was so well done that it tricked a girl I went to school with (and we were music majors) granted... She wasn't that great of a musician but still.. The S orchestra is supposed to comprised of all the weird outcast musicians (and the principal violin was notorious for only caring about playing "heavy metal violin" lol) which is why they did posing and he had gloves, also why the audience was stunned that they actually played well and waited to clap!
Nodame Cantabile anime: B natural
Nodame Cantabile live action: *B flat*
*I N T E R E S T I N G*
Personally I like me some C flat
hey they're both good 😂
Saladin Masala aw man I wanted to comment that
How pathetic it must B E
“Violin players rely on gravity to put pressure on the strings.”
*laughs in cellist*
AHAHAHHAHAHAHSGSHS
Yes jeez
😂😂😂I cant breath
Madeleine Berls Same! It would be SO much easier...
That's why he said violin 🙄
"I'm glad they put some sort of effort into making this look realistic."
5 seconds later: instruments go crazy
LOL, I read your comment as soon as it happened 😂
I like impulsesv too
@@jennal.4240 Yo same the frick
Welcome to marching orchestra
i cant stop laughing at how they tried to do anime haircuts to some characters
Shinigami San what about goku
I think it's actually amazing! I hate when the actors don't resemble the character design.
Is the film a live action anime?
@@majimasimp yeah. It was adapted from manga/anime
@@majimasimp no it's a japanese drama about people going to music school NOT anime
Eddy: But the...
Brett: the... the...
In unison: **ThE ViOLaS**
Hahaha i know right?😂
Leave my violas be hahahaah
700th like
@@itsyuuki Dude crazy!
@@chloemalley5134 congrats
A second into the video: *one* violin note starts playing
TwoSet: nOw wAiT jUsT a sEConD
They are so _A_ mazing they can determine the flaws of a scene just hearing one note played.
I mean I’m a beginner and I noticed it didn’t sound right lol
To get that dissonance there's at least two violins playing
@@alleny2971 Actually someone could be double-stopping and failing
@@theresawood8378 Was that “A” a pun?
this is the gentlest i've seen brett and eddy go at actor-violinists
at least you can see those actors have practiced quite hard before shooting
Because they were much more decent than usual. I mean it wasnt perfect, but it was better
OH BIG FACTS
Cuz they liked the anime lol
Because the actors actually tried to at least make an effort to look somewhat accurate
"we're violinists, we're humble, we sit"
More like "We ain't standing up for these fools"
That's what I said
violinists are the *least* humble members of the orchestra hands down lol
@@yanasto That was the whole joke (and why they piped up because violist were standing). Constant jabbing between violinists and violists. xD
It is what it is.
Also hard to claim you're humble when you never shut up about your perfect pitch. XD
you shouldn't play a trumpet pointing upward if you've been playing for a while... gravity mixed with the spit you produced... *bad memories*
I played clarinet and.... yeah I was choked by my spit (don't ask me why did I point my instrument upward 😂
the french horns near the end have it much worse...
I once tried to foolishly play in bed while facing upwards. 100% NEVER GOING TO DO IT AGAIN
Well, maybe i'm not pointing that staight up, but I've never had a problem with scene coreography before.
As a marching band player i know what you mean. But we still do this as a showmanship point. Watch some drum Corps competitions. Then you’ll get what i mean.
Me: OK NOTHING CAN STOP ME FROM PRACTICING NOW
Twoset: hold our bubble tea.
Kyuu Kirigaya how tf did you get so many likes?
Twoset : Not today kiddo
NO
YoU hAvE tO PrAcTiCe
Bro that's literally me every day
weird baby Bro idk how but Kyuu always gets a lot of likes on comments😂😂😂 I guess she's like Justin Y lol
"The concertmaster is one of the main characters"
Hmmm idk he's _the only one_ with messy blonde hair red pants and freaking GLOVES so I guesSSS?
That works in anime but in cheap live action it looks so cringey
Gildas P It’s cringey because the hair is too fake, they should do a more natural hairstyle or idkkk cast an _actual blonde person_ ?
@@RadenWA the gloves are kind of meh tho aswell.
Never saw this violin anime, but he looks like Shinigami Eric Slingby.
@@RadenWA In the manga/anime, that character is just a typical punk aesthetic Japanese kid that bleached his hair. So no need for an "actual blonde person."
Twoset: "I'm glad they put some effort in to make it look realistic."
TV Show: *CELLO SPINNNN*
When orchestra ppl play bayblade too much
two set: Oh look real musicians.
Me, a Percussionist: That timpanist has never touched a mallet before.
He's probably an actor cause he's one of the main characters 👀
He IS an actor! One of main characters.
He looked at the camera when it focused on him.
He looked so excited to hit the notes though 😂
@@winna7727 with that hair i would hope he was one
"i don't think you can do *this* with a flute"
*laughs in marching band*
When we did parades we would march and dance along to the music and sometimes we would do movements like that and although we could still play it didn't sound quite nice.
@@andoeniespinoza5736 I can imagine, cause you got aerodynamic interference on a wind instrument, lololol.
I can see how challenging it is to sound good and do this crazy stuff while moving and turning as you play. You can get away with a lot of this stuff in singing so long as the movements allow the torso and windpipe to stay aligned, but then there's the issue of the vocal projection meandering, lol. Michael Jackson was a jazz dancer and developed very unique dance movements so he could dance while keeping his torso stable so that he can still sing properly.
You can do all kinds of things with your hands and shoulders and legs, contrary to what many people think of when they visualize singing (I saw someone comment that a concert performance was fake because the guy was walking while singing, LOL).
Yeah in field shows we’ll twist around and do fun visuals but with a key caveat: The instrument has to move the exact same way our head does (clarinets/oboes have some wiggle room). As a flutist the flute thing was p bad and would be impossible to play much at all. The most intricate visuals are during rests bc you can do whatever
Anatine I play clarinet xD
Gock Block intensifies
Bringing boyfriend to his first classical concert ever:
BF: "That guy with the stick in the middle... what instrument does he play?"
XD
@@corundum-voidlessm6480 all of them! at once!!
LMAO XD
The stick obviously, why else would he be holding it? He obviously plays the stick :/
salmiak333 😂😂😂
In Japan, all cameras are legally required to make a shutter sound. This is because the Japanese government is trying to fight against upskirt photographers. It is messed up, but it was common enough in Japan that the government felt the need to put this law in place. Some smart phone companies even use the GPS on your phone to know if you are in Japan. They will force your camera's sound on when you enter the country and only turn it off when you leave.
That’s crazy I never knew that was such a problem over there
If I ever go to Japan I’ll only pack hazmat suits and that popular dinosaur thing you can wear
What are upskirt photographers?
Oh...nvm I just connected the dots in my brain
Ew.
@@itzelramirez4801 sadly it's quite common everywhere in Japan. Because of stressful environment, there are tons of people who relieve their stresses by harassing someone else. Including myself, so many of my friends have experienced something similar. And even if it happened on a train, during daytime and people around you realized what's going on, or even if you asked for their help, most of people will just ignore you😢
To be fair, they are named the "Special Orchestra".
One of a kind they are
*speshul*
Yep... special indeed
S OKE
Anki Hahahahahah I’m dead I understand
Compared to the other videos, this isnt a roast but a lightly toasted marshmallow
Edit: unholy violas this is the most likes ive ever gotten on a comment
violinning human it’s a constructively toasted marshmallow ❤️
Definitely
@@NinjaToe Nodame actually focuses on the music so much, it's in fact quite educational. Your Lie in April, however, seems to be just teenage angst and onion-cutting drama for the most part. *flame shield up*
@@NinjaToe I watched all 3 seasons of the Anime, I know already. Sky High is one of my favourite things ever, it introduced me to Rach PC2 3rd movement.
“Normally the conductor doesn’t walk in before they’ve finished tuning”
Loooooolllll our conductor has to supervise us while we tune cos we’re all just completely incompetent
sounds like middle school bands
@SprinklesCakebottom and you are?
@@xanthmardon584 sounds like you were going to come at him lmao
@@Twitchte yea i can see that
@@xanthmardon584 Roast him! What are you waiting for! Come on! Give me more comment drama!
2020,
"I'm a little bit sick"
"You're a little bit WHAT"
Me too lmaooo
Yeah I went scared AF and then saw the date of the vid... so relieved lmao
Lol
I know!
That’s what I thought
Twoset: thanks for actually put some effort on this scene...
*Suddenly cellos began flipping 🤣🤣🤣
I know, right?! LMAO 🤣
Cellos can do that, but as they explained in the video, not in that short of a rest.
I know lmao 😂😂😂😂 I wish, as a cellist I could do that during concerts 😂
@@howdidyoufindme7653 I don't know bro I don't even know I got so many likes before you told me😂
Maybe but basses can’t as basses (even in this video I think) have to sit on a ledge, and also they would hit the stand because we have to sit closer to our music to all fit
Brett: "I'm glad they put some sort of effort- trying to make it more realistic"
The orchestra: *cellos spin, violinists lift violins sacrilegiously high, flutes start tweeting at the ceiling*
well.... that escalated quickly :D .... maybe, it can also escalate slowly... :D hahahahah
But THE TRUMPETS WAVING IN THE BACKGROUND THOUGH
I may or may not get yelled at a lot by the director
Francisco Behan Morillo mood
The timing hahahaha
“Any unnecessary movement makes you work against yourself” Marching band: I can’t hear you if you play loud enough
I WAS JUST GONNA SAY THAT
If I play loud enough*
Id call that just a little bit of unnecessary movement! lol
Ikr 😂
I was like "have you heard of drum corps"
As a wind player, you have to be very careful elevating your instrument because as you play, saliva builds up in the instrument, and if you tilt your instrument to high, guess what's headed straight to your throat!
Not saliva, unless you actually spit instead of blowing. It's condensation from the hot air hitting the colder instrument
@@janne7263 At least some of it is saliva. Fluid droplets come out of your mouth when you blow air, not just when you intentionally spit. That's why coughing spreads airborne diseases more easily compared to exhaling from your nose with your mouth closed
Happens to some amateurs with the trombone if they raise it too high. 😆
Trumpet players in marching bands drinking their own saliva for hydration during a horns-up be like
The worst part of marching band 😭
*How to know if a Classical Music show is authentic:*
1. Make TwoSet review them
Duchi not just a review, a POSITIVE review....
Yeah.. There are types of Twoset review nowadays? 😅😂
A review on Amadeus :0
This classical music theme TV drama was super famous and really popular in Japan back in 2006.
WhY aRE tHe viOlAs stAndIng buT nOt tHe ViOliNs-Eddy
Cause we are humble-Brett
But eddy said cause we’re humble
@@dhu2056 There's no actual rule for that, except that the strings always go outside. In fact, 2nd violins normally sit next to the 1st (inside), and outside go either the cellos or the violas. So this is pretty standard. Then, again, if the conductor says the trombones should sit at the front and the cellos next to the timpani, then that's the way they do it (not that I've seen it happen). But yes, violas outside is pretty standard in some orchestras.
As@@federicoandre5717said, there's no fixed rule (except that first violins go on the conductor's left).
Second violins on the outside (at the conductor's right) was very common up until around the middle of the 20th century, and it is today more common in Europe than in the USA. (The cellos then usually go next to the first violins and the violas next to the seconds.) A lot of standard orchestral repertoire from the 18th, 19th and (early)
20th centuries has passages that exploit the "antiphonal" arrangement of the two violin sections for special effects; these are lost in when the second violins sections are next to the first.
TwoSet: "Thank you for making this realistic."
Orchestra:* Does unrealistic music dance mob*
TwoSet: 😐😂
Oh lord it would make for sense if you watched the full show!!!! The blonde dude insisted that in the rehearsal.
Imagine being a professional orchestra musician having to play with the actor's weird conducting. I'm pretty sure they were like "we're not being paid enough for this shit"
After this is over, they go back to being professional musicians and have a funny story to tell.
Now, imagine that you are an actor or director who worked to perfect your craft, but got stuck working on live action TV adaptations of popular manga for the rest of your professional career...
I’m sure the orchestra did the recording first, then they film it with the actors.
same
@@hypothalapotamus5293 either he actually wanted to do it, or he was going to get paid enough that he was willing to do it, or both
Fr i was thinking if they feel offended doing those weird stunts, i hope they received good payment and funny memories 😂
Some people practice 40 hours a day.
Some people spend a month tuning their violin.
You cannot serve two masters.
oh my gosh that "spend a month tuning a violin" hahahahaha i just watched that video yesterday
I understood that reference
I'm gonna ask Olaf
That luthier fake ass movie is the worst ever I’ve seen
@@gracewood6768 Hahaha!!! Me too!!! Literally just yesterday
When they lifted their instruments, all I could think of was the flute players and their condensation dripping outta the mouthpiece
God I love your username
splash! lol
Actually that wouldn't happen. They're looking up, but not directly upwards. The condensation won't come out, provided that you're playing the instrument correctly.
The trumpets and horns, on the other hand...idk how they'd feel.
Actually, 'condensation' doesn't usually drip out of the mouth piece unless we're taking out the mouth piece (u know, to clean it)
@@kamicece3961 and by the foot aswell if you play for a long time
“Any unnecessary movement makes you work against yourself" Marching band: sorry I can't hear you I am too busy moving
Exactly!
Lmaoooo
*Random choreography that the colorguard decided to make the band do last minute intensifies*
Also in Brazilian Carnaval. "Baterias" (the set of percussionists, drums and all sort of instruments) also do that marching and playing for at least 70 minutes.
Oof I forgot about that
Brett: “Where’s the gravity going, to your FACE!”
I actually laughed out loud😭🤣
Finally, the comment I've been looking for!
The editing adds so much too, I love this style
Props to the editer in each of their videos ;-;
No joking, the old man with the beautiful wig says "Bravo!" better than me.
And I'm Italian.
I was looking for a comment on the wig... I'm glad the coment was this beautiful. 🤩
@@escaramujo aw... You made me blush ^^''
The man in the wig was too cool not to be mentioned.
good comment
The actor is actually one of the best actors in Japan and he is willing to take up this weird character...
@@yeungfeifeifei the humility of some great people...
Thanx for all the information :)
Brett and Eddy: ‘It’s nice how they put effort into making it realistic.’
(2 seconds later the musicians start doing a weird interpretive dance)
this is like one of those yu-gi-oh "spot the main character" challenges.
* snort * heh. ik,r!!!
Are you talking about the blond guy? He's not the main character. The conductor, and the girl who came in late are.
@@ShiroKage009 Nonetheless, the concertmaster was a relevant character in the story.
@@joseito1609 but not the main. The typical "hair color tells who the main character is" doesn't work for the main couple here. The character with the hair has a story reason for it. It's one of the reasons this show is relatable.
ShiroiKage009 the joke still stand true regardless
14:28 as a trumpet player, I can tell you this is very possible. Horn flashes are pretty common in marching bands, and just to have some fun during a song. Marching band also tends to require a higher horn angle because your audience is above you. (It's super fun when the spit starts rolling back through the mouthpiece)
tl;dr: It's just trumpets being trumpets :)
Yeah all the things they’re saying “I don’t know if that’s possible for the winds” are just common marching band moves. As long as your shoulders move separately from your core it’s totally doable :p
I would love them to watch a DCI show! I know fuck all about orchestra but I’d love to see what they think of my first love: an entire football field of band kids. 😂
I forget which marching song it is that has it, I believe it is Land of a thousand dances or The Horse
two set: We really appreciate how the spent time trying to make it look more realistic!
next scene: *violins raise towards the heavens and the cello players go sicko mode and turn into beyblades*
Lmao, how does this have no reply’s it’s bootiful
Yes, this comment made me laugh harder than any other comment here. Especially the beyblade sicko mode cellos.
Shirosune, The basses did it too... As a bass player, I would’ve hit my bow or bass on my stand and knocked it over 💀
Nathan L
Exactly. I used to love beyblade, and this got me cracking lmao
Same and can everybody understand that saying “that’s a big violin” or “I didn’t know you played violin” to a bassist isn’t funny please
TwoSet: Unnecessary movement
Me: *flashback to marching band*
Kelvin Nguyen Leo P - Am I a joke to you?
I was thinking about marching band as they said that
I felt that so deeply
As a flute player, the sacrilegious posture at the end kinda bothers me. You might be able to pull it off, but you would need to move your head very precisely to keep the flute in tune. If it rolls in or out the flute will go out of tune. And a gold flute produces a more mellow and rich tone if anyone is wondering.
As another flute player i can confirm that, plus your air flow would probably be messed up enough for your pitch to sound like it is on a rollercoaster.
But it is possible, in marching band I had to move my flute around a lot in sacrilegious positions like that (Also a flutist)
yeah i agree i could never play with that kind of posture. my sound would be shité
@@unnormal6701 yeah! Im a flutist too and Ive seen weird movements going on in marching band. Its kinda awkward lol
and imagine moving around that much. ew.
The first Nodame Cantabile is supposed to be a pretty bad orchestra so it's actually quite good how they portrayed that even through the tuning
nah m8 i just think the orchestra just doesnt know how 2 tune XD
As I remember the plot correctly that’s true, it was a bad orchestra of students who were not studying well
@@sparklyseed9227 19:03 I'm certa8n these people know what they are doing, but yeah keep hating
Who want to see a new series named “Science with Twoset”?
I want :)
陳芊卉 I'd probably watch anything that has "with Twoset" in it😂😂
陳芊卉 𝕪𝕖𝕤
I don't want, I need
Yes!! Especially about sound and how it works with different instruments and stuff. I loved that bit about it all with Olaf the luthier. Ah crap i exposed my inner nerd again 🤓
陳芊卉 omg yes pls!!!
12:30 "First thing before we even talk about the violins,"
auto-generated subtitles: *First thing before we even talk about the violence*
I mean its not wrong though...
you guys should watch the nodame cantabile movie, same actors but the acting is much better. the actor actually took conducting lessons to act.
yes, especially the 1812 overture eps
Especially the conductor. He conducted much better in movie
And also Lang Lang did the performances as Nodame's piano stunt double
@@mochacino4275 OMG!! Reli? Any source about that? Wow....
Lang had tweeted about it: twitter.com/lang_lang/status/9641570826
And there's some Japanese interview (Sorry I can't find English version) www.nodame-orche.com/langlang/
Twoset: "I've never seen trumpets played liked that, people just don't do it"
Ska trumpet players: let me show you something
Lol my marching band during our fight song and hype song
(But also just regular visuals during marching shows, like fr I wish twoset would review some of the top DCI shows from the 2000’s-2010’s because they would be absolutely in awe)
Yeah, I was about to say marching bands got something in store for them lol
Yeah but they do not rise it up so high, I think, it is much more gentle and more left right motion than sharply high left right motion...I think it would be very difficult. I tried it once only a little swing and it so so much harder, this sharp big rapidly motions would be very difficult, almost impossible...
For example: ua-cam.com/video/DPOeGWl6x4E/v-deo.html yes they are moving with intstrument, but
1) they are not moving just the instrument from left right, they are moving with
2) the instruments are not risen up to the sky, they are just moving from left to right or vice versa...
and that is the major difference, why is so unreal, even if ska brass players do it, because they do it naturally...
you could play like that, i've tried that, but it's very disgusting because all of the cold spit just goes into your mouth. Not pleasant.
@@ruler8315 that's what you get for playing trumpet /j
14:29 -14:57
Marching band players: *_Are we a joke to you?_*
Klutzy Mutt and the piece Paconchita
I was looking for this comment lol! Ever heard of horn flashes?
Or brass band (english style). We do move a lot some times
This moment made me remember about Kyoto Tachibana High School Marching Band
Yessss thanks youuuu!!!
"I've never seen a conductor go WAH like that"
laughs in jazz band
Jazz is on a whole different dimension fr
Waluigi is jazz conductor confirmed?
@@catattack9575 You win the internet for now
@@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache 😂
Its so true tho!!!
Violinists talking about how humble they are? They're the most humble. In fact, they'll let you know that there is no one more humble in the whole orchestra. 😄
That is on point.
“I, too, am extraordinarily humble”
If i ever be a film maker... I wont make a movie about music or orchestra..
Because i know that this two dudes gonna roast my film 😂
Just hire them as consultants... 😁
Or they could praise the movie if it’s accurate
Or incorporate your effort in hiring real musicians and become a better film maker
yeah
they could help your film get popular 😁
”at least they are trying hard to make it look realistic”
*spins cellos and lifts up violins back in chairs*
Me: “I mean.....SuRe-“
There's a reason for the shenanigans, not a practical one, but there's a reason behind .
Well it’s possible to spin Cello while playing
Basses did it to and as a bassist I can confirm that oxygen is real
Not that anyone cares but the Tympanist (the guy playing the big drum) isn't using the correct technique for that instrument.
That guy is probably an actor too, he's one of the main characters :/
He's just an actor. You can find his name on like Jdrama addicts etc.
I honestly thought I was the only percussionist who’d watch twoset
@@brisket5588 There are dozens of us!
I don't play timpani and I noticed so I feel like that says something
"More unnecessary movement means you're more likely to mess up."
HAHAHAHAHA why did I join marching band
I joined to get out of Phys Ed class.
I mean, I dropped out because it was too stressful....
Also, marching was forever ruined in sixth grade when I was forced to march with a french horn rather than a mellophone.
No one can really tell if you mess up playing in marching band. As long as you can march in step, you're ok.
eksentrysyti not if you’re a snare or Tom you can tell if they mess up because I’ve been in a few *incidents* where I may or may not have been playing off beat
As a drum major, I'm just here to remind y'all that if I mess up and the rest of the show is an utter cacophony of nonsense, it's y'all's fault! At least that's what the general audience thinks lol
I’m pretty sure most of the orchestra members were from a real orchestra and the obvious bad ones are some of the main characters in the story, thus not a real munition... they are actors. But I remember seeing interviews about how they hired musicians to teach them the correct bowing and fingerings, correct positions for piano also. The original manga artist is known for the accurate details of the some what niche themes she chooses, and she only agreed for this to be in live action if they could do it accurately.
A lot of people my generation loves classical music and/or started playing instruments because if this drama!
Also my school orchestra played Beethoven’s 7th symphony because we were so influenced by this... lol
After seeing the "violin fight", nothing bothers me any more. Actually start to appreciate their efforts of trying to be accurate!
Yeah, that last Chinese movie was so horrible! I know nothing about classical music but those scenes hurt my eyes, can't believe the director sees that and "yeah it's good"
Windi Noor But they put in a month for tuning a violin :D
I know that they're professionals, but it still amazes me when Brett & Eddy play
yes
@Garrett They, like, make global tours every week soooo
Kiiinda professional?
@@luminatron They are very professional, playing for 20 or 21 years and practicing 40 hours a day.
@Garrett They are very professional, playing for 20 or 21 years and practicing 40 hours a day.
@Garrett yes, they each played in several different orchestras and they both were also the concertmaster in those orchestras for several years. it's all on their website. very impressive.
Just a little basic info on Nodame Cantabile (Live Action):
The girl listening extremely intently was Nodame, the protagonist and a gifted but lazy pianist. The conductor was Chiaki, the male lead and also an accomplished pianist. He was one of those extremely serious/intense people, and just started learning to conduct. But the first assignment he got was to work with the university's worst orchestra, the S Orchestra (a lot of the members couldn't even play in tune when they first started). All of these people were university students, not professionals (yet).
The concertmaster was one of those typical rebels who didn't want to be restrained by the usual conventions of classical musicians (hence the attire). The group of misfits made a pact with Chiaki to add something 'extra', which is why there was all that spinning and 'interesting' poses at this first performance (also the first time he had fun conducting). The man wearing that long wig and shouting "Bravo!" in the audience was a world-class conductor (with a weird personality and many issues). Chiaki became his apprentice, and this performance was sort of a test to see if he would qualify.
So while the critique on the technical aspects (violin-playing, conducting) were on point, the other things pointed out were completely reasonable within the context of the series. It was one of those occasions where manga/anime-style exaggerations were incorporated, but remained perfectly plausible. You can't imagine everyone acting like this. But you can easily see _these_ people behaving that way.
@Lailene Rodriguez-Ordas No prob. Nodame was one of my favourite live-action depictions of music. Thanks for pointing out the corresponding anime episode.
I’m mostly just shocked that I figured all of this out based on anime tropes- like seriously guessing 80% of the plot. 😂
I think the overall context of live-actions is very important. But it’s hard to get as big of a laugh, or a reasonable length of a video when you share all of that context. I can understand the balancing act of a UA-camr giving a reaction.
@@OneWhoDreamsAwake Yeah, 2Set did a good job. There was nothing wrong with this video. As professional musicians, they balanced objective criticism with recognition of the effort put in by the actors. I just wanted to leave the context here for those who might be interested, or who saw the anime and never watched the original (it came out before the anime, and is, in my opinion, much better in terms of character development).
People tend to assume that adopting anime-style things into live-action would be cringey, but this one was honestly well done. Not only was the music great, but it also showcased the real struggles musicians go through, all in a humorous way. It may not be as new and shiny as productions filmed in recent years, but it's a classic. Of all the music-themed films, TV series, and anime I've seen, this was hands down my favourite.
Isnt it kind of wired that the blonde guy didnt like being "restrained"? Like... why did he pick up violin and classical music let alone playing in an orchestra. He couldve chosen guitar and play in a rock band or smth.
It is tacky and annoying to see these little "rebelious" unique attitudes and even tricks (the twists and turns of the instruments) being incorporated into something that is supposed to be already pretty meaningful and beautiful on its own with no need for these kind of acts.
I havent read or watched anything about nodame cantabile si there might me more to it.
@@randomme3095 What's wrong with wanting to become a classical musician but not liking stuffy clothes? Orchestral musician attire isn't just formal, it's stifling. Wearing tails, cummerbunds/waistcoats, and bowties while trying to play difficult pieces is _not_ conducive to playing well. Also, notice that this wasn't exactly a formal occasion either. They were performing in front of the school, no one else.
And why can't rebels become classical musicians (not that there's anything wrong with rock)? Many of the best classical composers in history were rebels who went against the convention of the time, experimented with new sounds/technique, and created revolutionary pieces. Most of them weren't even remotely decorous, and did all sorts of outrageous things with their pieces, during performances, and in their daily lives.
The concertmaster here was a classically-trained violinist who practised for years, aiming to become a classical violinist. He had to fine-tune his playing before this, but the potential was always there. The S Orchestra was filled with university students, some aiming to become professionals, some just wanting to learn music. They didn't distort the music, just designed a funny gesture that was unique to them. What's wrong with adding a bit of unnecessary but individualistic quirk? And yes, I'm a classical musician. I wholeheartedly approve of what they did in the context of the series.
Finally, I completely agree with the last sentence of your comment.
One weird thing I noticed as a percussionist: disregarding the timpani dude’s playing (is bad), he should only have 2 timpani. It’s true that we usually have 4 to 5 timpani onstage at most concerts, but this is a Beethoven only concert, and during Beethoven‘s day, there were only the two middle timpani, the 26” and the 29”. Since they only needed the middle two, why bother bringing the other two with? Timpani are heavy and cumbersome, and you never bring more than you need. Why waste energy on them just to bring them back without playing them once? Big goof
as a brassist i am notating a very suspisious lack of brass /hj
do you ever wonder what this actually sounded like while they filmed it? everyone is making noise lol
Well, sine there are actual musicians it would sound pretty good. I guess the concertmaster would be the only bad sounding one.
Video: Begins
Two seconds later: plays just 1 a
Twoset: *immediately pauses the video*
Me: aha, this is becoming a nice vid 🔥🔥
* plays trumpet while dancing *
two set: People just don't do it
mexican trumpeters: O.o
Venezuelan orquestras dancing while playing Mambo: O.O.o.O
*laughs in mariachi
Jazz trumpeters
Just look for italian Bersaglieri band running while they play trumpets etc.
@@enfermoytristemundo We Play it in Summer and our conductor said we should do too XD
My question was in what world is their only one percussionist. I can only imagine in a normal setting how many parts he would have to cover. The pain. The pain
Listen, I'm no professional when it comes to playing clarinet, but this
17:13 - 17:14
*this* is how you get neck injuries
(not to mention the whole clarinet section's going to sound like a flock of ducks being strangled)
:0
ThE fLuTeS aReN't MoViNg ThEiR fInGeRs
The clarinets were either playing a G or a D the whole time
true. you need to keep your chin parallel to the floor
Eh its still possible to maintain good tone quality like this, but you have to apply neck scoliosis
Nobody:
Eddy with perfect pitch: "sounds more like a highschool orchestra... WITH THAT A"
You don't need perfect pitch to tell they aren't in tune with one another
all orchestras tune with A...
that’s the note all orchestras always tune
@@투루-l3e he is referring to the bad tuning, actually
@@DFdezdeMarticorenaGallego uhhh yeah?
I’m so scared that one day my secret recording will get roasted too.
Don't worry cat chan you'll be okay
Nazi Loli 🥰aww you’re so sweet
you never know, they might actually make a non-roast video! (the ones where really good ppl play and then they sightread the song)
I do that too lmaoo
白刀 lmao me
Brett and Eddy: we're glad that they actually made an effort to make it look realistic
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Now there are 18....
Lancelot 3469 i really find it weird that people click on a vid just to dislike it. To be that fast you probably need to be subscribed and have the notification button on. They are also just giving the creator a free view...
Probably a violist
Now 37
@@vvc2 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Haters gonna hate....I guess?
5 seconds into Nodame Cantabile:
Twoset, *pauses* :
*_NONONONONO_*
Manga: Ling Ling
Anime: Two Set
Live Action: sAcRiLeGiOuS bOi
Netflix adapt: some dude named Vov
Flautist here: The one girl is not playing a professional flute. Pro flutes have a B foot joint (so they can play one note deeper, the B...)...these flutes are louder (and longer/heavier)...you need that to be heard in an orchestra...
Not really. Many flutists like Rampal use C foot one.
Actually, I think the deeper B is not a must note.....
I don’t even believe the girl is a flautist. In the one scene that zooms on her the notes are changing but her fingers remain down and don’t move at all. As well as that, the flute doesn’t appear to be making much contact with the groove of her chin, and her right hand is bent down and is not up. She also doesn’t tilt the flute down, she holds it up straight which isn’t typical of a professional player.
@@wayneshih8064 Yeah, you‘re actually right, i looked it up…i wasn‘t aware that pros use the flute with a c foot too, if they want :)…BUT: There sure are a couple of pieces that you cannot play in the original form without the low B note, eg Jolivet‘s flute concerto…but pro flautists generally got more than one flute, they sure got all the joints they need :)
Twoset: [when you play violin horizontally] you can't make a good sound
also Twoset: LinG LiNG wOrKoUT
17:42
I love it when they synchronized “but the violas” and proceeds to be triggered 😂
14:30
Eddy: I tHiNk It Is PoSsIbLe To PlAy LiKe ThAt
Me (trumpet): COLLAPSES IN PAINFUL LAUGHTER
(Edit: I know it’s possible, just with practice)
Ikr like no. It would sound so bad
It is in marching band most of the instruments do that. It just takes practicw
*Laughs in marching band*
@@austinkar5118 it's kinda hard to do when playing complicated classical music though
Nicola Dickinson true but it is possible
For a little bit of context, that orchestra was done during the school/university days. It was not a normal orchestra and all the members are consist of bad/showing students that a well-known teacher pickup just to mess around. Due to jealousy, that teacher fell out and that student conductor takes over. You could say it was their first time performing in front as an orchestra and as a student do weird stuff just to gain attention. The actors in that orchestra are the conductor(the main protagonist), concertmaster, timpanist, flute, oboe, and bass( I forgot the name of instrument )...
bassoon?
@@jazzbassoonguy Love the pfp
As a trumpet player, I can 100% verify that we do exactly what Brett points out at 14:28, just not in performance. The movement is easy to get used to with practice, especially with marching experience
I was going to say they do it in marching bands :DD
One of trombone friend's slide went flying during our UIL state year about 3 yards from the 50
As a member of the superior silver-plated trumpet master race, it is actually fairly common to play like that in marching or outdoor bands. It's really not common in sitting bands because you have to more of your body to get the same effect.
If you are the OU Marching 110, though, you don't care about any of that and yeet yourself across the field at mach 10.
Ikr a little disappointed in Brett and eddy
I remember my freshman year of marching band one of my upperclassmen told me that to horn flip my clarinet right I basically have to deepthroat it .-.
The anime Nodame is way way more accurate. Don't let the live action distract you from that.
Also,the dude is an actor, but if I'm not wrong his character was also definitely not the best violinist in the orchestra (btw he likes playing the dreaded electric violin like in our favourite talent shows if you know what I mean) but still was made concertmaster due to some circumstances.
Yeah, I wonder if their opinion would change knowing a little bit more of the story context
Twoset roasts are somewhat like cinemasins. They roast purely the specific portrayal by the actor(s) in that specific scene. Any other details are not a concern
@@inevra4053 That's a bit unfair, Twoset clearly don't try to conjure artificial mistakes (like SS). They didn't watch the entire show and don't know the context, naturally, so they have to assume this is some ordinary orchestra performance.
Well, 'not the best violinist' shouldn't play worse than other 'regular' violinists in the orchestra.
And no, Twoset's opinion shouldn't change even if they know the whole plot.
What's the point of comparing it with actual orchestra if they do that?
@@ThomasSMuhn They do address it as such but towards the end, Eddy says the show is good so maybe they've seen it before they roasted it. Judging the scenes as objectively as possible might be better for a roast because if they'll be defending via context, it won't be as consistent with how they've done roasts so far. Also, they obviously have to nitpick ones with the more blatant mistakes. I honestly thought they'd be harsher on the instrument spinning and back arching but maybe they've been lenient cos other shows have done exponentially worse, or they do know some context.
As the viewers, we should be able to asses the rest of the drama disregarding the accuracy of portrayal (however knowing those failures definitely contributes to the viewing experience). And maybe Twoset hopes that from all the other tips and facts they've given, everyone even non-musicians will be able to know the difference.
To be fair, this is the "Special Orchestra", which is made up of the school's loser-musicians. They just turn out to be the Underdog Good Musicians in the end.
yup, subtitled calls them underachievers
Nah won't do man. They are not in highschool anymore. In university you can actually expect them to be good. For drama sake and cause of the perfectionism of the MC hey showed them as pretty bad xD
So they need to act to hide they're not good enough ?
14:30 If you’re a show marching band like my high school marching band was then trumpets moving like that is totally normal and totally possible. I was a Clarinet and we would swing our instruments around while play them. At certain points in shows in between our marching movements we would stop and boogie.
17:26 you’d be suprised what you can do with a flute. We had them in my marching band.
I get making a song animated but marching band is not orchestra, you swing your horn and move your feet in a way that looks professional in marching band, you sit still and look professional in orchestra
@@Unfoundrumors yeah, I didn’t say anything regarding that. I was just explaining that it was possible. We never swung our instruments around in concert band.
the trumpets swaying happens a lot in marching band, but for a concert setting like this? it just looks w e i r d
Yeah lmao
Lemme just say that you cannot play a clarinet horizontaly. Believe me, I've tried.
I tried it for recorder too when I was younger, there was no sound
Doreen Ketchens begs to differ. But then again, that's jazz. Idk, it's possible if you're moving your head around for sure though to keep the embouchure (which it looks like the players in the video are? I cant really get a good frame stop to tell)
*sound of reed cracking*
Lois nah, you definitely can. the sound comes out a fair bit worse but you definitely can without any trouble if you’re at least between beginner and intermediate levels
Me too
I was mocking the trumpet angles during bands camp
I like the part when Eddy and Brett talk about conducting, then give out an example of how conductor should give instructions to the orchestra, then Eddy ends up saying "Conducting is an art form" as conclusion.
And Brett's showing the phrasing and difference on the violin between the conducting of the professional and the one in the movie. I mean, you guys really do love classical music to the point that there's an aura spreading when you talk about it. I would say, play F for respect 👍 💚💙
Oh, and Eddy's comment on the gold flute: "Gold flute. It's a real thing, more expensive, but makes richer sound" xD
F
its press F to pay respects.. as in RIP (^-^;)
but yeah yes yes they have my respect
@@waytoohypernova it might be a reference to a meme featured in Ling Ling 40 hrs about a composer's last work with a sudden F with no explanation and the op saying "did he predict press 'f' to pay respect"
Sorry, I forgot the important details of that meme.
Eddy and brett : "Im glad that they actually put effort to make this realistic"
*Starts spinning cello*
Eddy and Brett : *nvm*
Orchestra kids really like bey blade I guess
@@ADHD-Creature-Official Let it rip
"Please don't talk during a classical symphony." *cough*
*sneeze*
Trumpeters also rely on gravity.
Not to get spit running back into your mouth. Playing upwards for more than a few seconds can be nasty.
I did not need to know that. That's f**king disgusting. 😂
@@GabsARV yea ikr 😂 😂 😂
Hearing wind stories always bothered me as a percussionist.
@Chris Pearson One question: does waving the trumpet around while playing induce doppler shifts audible in the audience? I'm kinda thinking Lesley here...
Ohhh yeah, just imagining it makes me wanna feel sad.
17:49 "Because violins are hUmBLe" I snorted I'm sorry twoset
I know, right?! Bahahahaha!!
Honestly, as a pianist myself, this is my favourite Japanese drama about music and orchestra. I really eddy and brett would dive deeper into the story to know why the conductor was not as good and the performance has come in an exaggerating way. Nodame Cantabile became popular amongst musicians for a reason
same
“Any unnecessary movement makes you work against yourself”
Marching band: playing in ☀️🌧❄️🌊 and making pictures while their at it. 😎
Drum corps
Sure, but look at the music they play. It isn't exactly Mahler.
@@Falconryder that doesn't mean it's not difficult though
@@Falconryder See... Thems fightin' words. Now we gotta find a matching band willing to do Mahler to prove you wrong.
@@kitmakin289 lol, well if you do find that, please share. I'd love to see it. In the mean time, have fun playing the Rocky theme. ;)
I love how at 6:33 they put their violins down perfectly synchronized
Wow they must have some telepathic thing going on
classically trained musicians XDD
Haha if orchestras are anything like brass bands that's just automatic
I noticed that too!!
Great minds think alike
Maybe the violins didn’t stand up because the “concert master” didn’t stand up, and the violins have to follow the concert master, don’t they?
He is standing tho
Nah I think it s so the audience of the movie can.see one of the main character (concert master) who is the only one standing up in the section.
Would be funny, as he is so insecure and being carried by the section so hard that he forgets he's the one leading and starts following the ones who are following him :D
Nah, in this TV show, this concert master charactor was the person who suggested this standing formation.
"I'm glad they at least put some effort to make it realistic"
*the whole orchestra proceeds to raise and play their instruments straight in the air*
every position to play is possible for Lung Lung (Flute master) ...
FYI ... he is diamond flute user ...
Lung lung doesn't need to circular breathe because he can play any piece on only one breath
Thank God I am not the only person making that joke
@@noahwellman9103
Lung lung doesn't need to breathe in to breathe out
Lung lung made me choke on my food
Actor conductor: Me with my plastic HP wand
Actual conductor: Albums Dumbledore level
@Kiara Stuchbery Was it that bad that from his desperation he went on search for actual magic to make it sound not as sucky?
Anime Character: We need to find the villain, it could be anyone
Concertmaster:
When Brett and Eddy said that it looked like the orchestra was conducting itself, my orchestra conducor actually cued us in and then left he stage until the end of the piece to let us conduct ourselves and so that the people in the middle of the wind orchestra could be seen by the parents. Bear in mind it was a training wind orchestra so the piece wasnt neccessarily the hardest thing out there, but it was still kinda hard. So it is possible for an orchestra to conduct itself.
My band teacher did that once in class for a song and said we performed better than with him conducting-
As a professional musician we performed under the baton of a very famous conductor (whom I shall not name) who was often so drunk that no one could follow him. When this happened all musicians followed the Concertmaster instead. Unbelievably no music critic ever commented on this and we never heard anyone in the audience talk about it either. Thank God for the Concertmaster!
As someone who's played cello for over a decade that cello spin hurt my soul
Scott Cho the cellos in my orchestra had to do that once... it was a training youth orchestra so we were like 12 and a bit shit but still made me wince every time lol
This series was so well done that it tricked a girl I went to school with (and we were music majors) granted... She wasn't that great of a musician but still..
The S orchestra is supposed to comprised of all the weird outcast musicians (and the principal violin was notorious for only caring about playing "heavy metal violin" lol) which is why they did posing and he had gloves, also why the audience was stunned that they actually played well and waited to clap!
Gotta give a lot of thanks to Nodame Cantabile for making me start listening to a lot of classical music piece since I was young
This was my first shoujo anime and it got me interested in classical 😍😍😍
omg same
@@johnny4941 sameee, even though I'm not interested in playing the instrument I listen to classical music a lot
@@sarakrank4956 I used to have a crush on Chiaki ngl 😂😂
@@nyssa_alda bahahah didn't we all
I wish they watch the whole drama to see why the concert master isn’t as good lol
“any unnecessary movement makes it harder to play”
me: *laughs in marching band*
Me: *laughs in color guard*
Laughs maniacally like Joaquin phoenix's Joker in lead guitar
"It's hard to play this way cause we rely on gravity. Hard and unnecessary."
Paganini has joined the chat.
But it's still very useful
If you can play it downwards you can play it upwards 😀
J NICE
wait, is this the only episode that Twoset didn't tell us to practice?
well, then Go pRaCTiCe!!!
That entire tv series is about the virtues of practicing and hard work. It balances it out I guess.
Good for musicians with demand avoidance?
17:17 I've played the flute for 27 years. I can safely say it is possible to do that move, but highly unnecessary.