Is the debate too long? Skip to 31:40 for the gist of it. A quick recap. Edip believes the following: - anyone can come up with his own recitation based on dotless manuscripts - Allah's ﷻ wanted people to come up with their own recitations - the actual reciters of the Quran are unreliable - we cannot accept that the reciters of the Quran actually read in the way that we know they read - we cannot rely on the recitations of the reciters even if they all agree on a recitation - the Umayyad empire played a role in creating recitations for political gain - Edip wrote his translation of the Quran based on Hafs' recitation In brief, Edip, arguably the most well-known Quran-only scholar, doesn't believe that the Quran was preserved. One point I didn't address in our talk was that the reciters, even when differing, weren't making mistakes, but were reciting in the way that they were taught to recite since the Quran was revealed in seven modes. Please refer to the video below for more on the subject. ua-cam.com/video/K11XfOfTFAU/v-deo.html
Brothers and sisters never forget our oppressed brothers and sisters in your dua and raise awareness for them specially the uyghur brothers and sisters. Our brothers in kashmir are also in great pain. Remember dua is the biggest strength of a believer. Our beloved prophet(sm) said ,'‘Whoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; if he is unable to, then with his tongue; if he is unable, then with his heart - and that is the weakest of faith.’' Narrated by Muslim in his saheeh
@@P_Pro27 : You’re an atheist. That makes you fundamentally nihilistic and irrational. This is why you are so seething with rage, as you have no identity nor purpose in life.
I'm 5mins in and I already find contradiction in what he is saying. Example: At the beginning, he says Hadith can not be trusted because it is passed on by man and there are contradiction, so on and so on... At the same time he quotes history (Romans and Byzantine) in his argument as though it isn't passed on by man. 😂😂😂 I have a feeling a lot more nonsense are coming...
Passing a hadith from man to man is different than documenting a historical event for example my grandpa could tell me that his best friend said that he doesn't like rice where as in reality he actually did like rice on the other hand my grandpa could tell me about a war he was in and which side won here I can easily research wether it's true or not as many different nations and sources have objected and witnessed this event
@@Samir-dz3np I hope you are not saying what I think you are saying (That hadith can not be trusted) because I can destroy your argument with ease right now. Please tell me that is not the case.
but isnt hadith also like a documentation?...even when we look at historical events....we cant rely on exactly all the facts since they might ve biased..🤷♀️..after all, wtever research u r doing..u r referring to things written or documented by people...and hadith is not just passing man to man...many svholars verify it and classify it as weak or strong as well....so...hadith and historical documentation sounds similar to me..🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@PEACEWITHIN114 I personally am not a hadith rejector entirely I simply wanted to clear up things but since you got me interested Id like to know what argument you want to "destroy" as I haven't presented any argument for that matter?
I honestly struggled to not be distracted by that, as my mind kept wandering away from the topic to the more pressing question, "why is Farid's icon a kitten sandwich?"
hey you need to know this. LIST OF INNOVATIONS AFTER THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD: HERE IS A SHORT LIST OF TEACHINGS INVENTED BY PAGANS THAT ALLAH DID NOT REVEALED IN HIS QURAN HIS FURQUAN BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSE AND PAGANS. 1.- the christian jesus coming from heaven 2.- jesus being now in heaven 3.- jesus being alive in heaven 4.- jesus being the leader of the world for a time 5.- jesus ascending to heaven 6.- jesus descending from heaven to damascus 7.- jesus visiting Mecca 8.- jesus and his fabricated persian pal the madhi coming to fight with the mythological christian creature the antichrist 9.- female circumcision 10.- Prophet Muhammmad ( saw) being descendant of Abraham or Ishmael 11.- Arabs being descendant of Abraham 12.- killing dogs and loving cats , Dogs are highly defended in Quran 13.- Music as haram 14.- follow hadiths 15.- follow the fabrications of Sunni madhhabs or shia 16.- Praying 5 times a day ( this is taken by sunnis from zoroastrians, it wasn´t a teaching of Rasulullah ) 17.- stoning to death is not in Quran, this from judaism copied by sunnis who love the jews 18.- Punishing in the grave and all that nonsenses 19.- Soul being alive after death 20.-Prohibition of perfumes 21.-Prohibition of dressing well 22.- Quran being abrogated, this is an insult to Allah who sent the Quran as guidance. 23.- women and daughters not permitted to study 24.- women being in home only. 25.- Women who has not sex with their husbands go to hell 26.- women testimony is half of a man. 27.- women must not work, but stay at home says sunnah of sahib lie of bukhary 28.- kabbah speaking in the day of judgment 29.- drinking camel urine 30.- defecating and using 3 stones 31.- Mary the mother of jesus being the wife of the Prophet Muhammad 32.- Aisha being the best lady 33.- Following caliphs instead of Quran 34.- niqab, burka ! not mentioned in Quran, because it is from pagans. 35.- male circumcision is from judaims copied by sunnis 36.- compulsory or obligatory to be Wearing long beard like jews or hindus 37.-Love arabs 38.- the dead listening to the living people. 39.- women must not pray when they have menses 40.- do not masturbate 41.-praying tashahhud in the prayers. 42.- suckling the breast of adult women for being you know what. 43.- the flood in time of noah being worldwide . ( Quran says it was noah`s town only !) 44.- The Beating of Children Who Stop Praying 45.- Women must not rule a contry 46.- women lack INTELLIGENCE AND RELIGION. 47.- you must not play chess 48.- you must not play dice. 49.- Prophet Muhammad (saw) being a prophet since he was kid 50.- Urine of the prophet being the best drink 51.- the sweating of the prophet Muhammad (saw) being a perfume 52.- Prophet Muhammad being a healer or a performer of miracles, he was just a man ! 53.- do not practice oral sex with your wife says sunni innovators imitating christians monks 54.- Satan urinated in people’s ears. 55.- stupid teaching attributted to Rasulullah like this: Angels do not enter a house witch has either a dog or a picture in it. 56.- fevers were caused by the heat of hellfire 57.- sunni sharia being observed by monkeys 58.- Moses kicking an angel of death, THIS IS FROM JEWS copied by sunni scholars 59.- Menses being impurity 60.- Moses fighting with a stone, this is similar to jesus talking with stones. 61.- Humans being in the image of Allah, this was fabricated by the jew abu hurayra from genesis myths 62.- Adam being so giant ! this is from judaims narrated by the lovely abu hurayra the jew 63.- Aisha being the most important to the Prophet. Sunni lovers of Aisha fabricated this. 64.- dajjals and all this fairy christian mythology from christian scriptures is not in Quran 65.- The Killing of People Who Do Not Give Alms 66.- The Imprisonment and Starvation of Those Who Do Not Fast and the list could go on !!!! here are some contradictions of the innovation and likes of mabhabs Is it obligatory to perform the intention to fast in Ramadan for each day separately? Yes HANAFI no MALIKI yes SHAFI’I no HANBALI Does talking inadvertently during prayer invalidate the prayer? Yes HANAFI No MALIKI No SHAFI Yes HANBALI Is it compulsory to perform ablution in a given order? No HANAFI No MALIKI Yes SHAFI Yes HANBALI Are dogs impure? No HANAFI No MALIKI Yes SHAFII Yes HANBALI AND THIS LIST IS LONG ! i do not have time to write all these sunni nonsenses fabricated. BETTER FOLLOW QURAN AND BE HAPPY. FOLLOW THE QURAN THE GUIDANCE OF ALLAH QURAN 1: 1-2, QURAN 25:29-30 ALL THE FALSEHOODS YOU SAW ARE NOT IN QURAN BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSEHOODS ATTRIBUTED TO ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET, THAT IS WHY THAT RUBBISH IS NOT IN THE HOLY QURAN. READ........QURAN 41:41-42
@@MuhammadSalman7236 i laugh at your sunni sect and leaders and their innovations 🤣 QURAN 9:31. THE TRUE ISLAM IS ONLY THE QURAN AND QURAN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF TRUE ISLAM
@@ercanozdemir6956Stop with backhanded comments your the misguided ones Wallahi all most all of you guys are kaffir you sit around and don’t even recite the shahada
Edip Yuksel is part of the Kemalist education system. He has an issue with beards, the thobe, political Islam. He is a munafiq, hes a terrible debater and makes points that are absurd.
dajjal, jesus`s return, torment of the grave, mahdi, jesus going to heaven, 5 daily prayers, prophet Muhammad going to heaven, Quran being eternal with Allah etc etc are fabrications. Only Quran must be followed. one enemy of ALLAH CLAIMING AND SHOUTING THE PHRASE....defend your QURAN, DEFEND YOUR QURAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MINUTE QURAN 32: 53 this exposes these false people OF ALHUL SUNNA SECT , the sunni sect rejects Quran, abrogates Quran etc etc, attacking Quran of Allah for their rubbish called sunnah from the sahib lie bukary and sahib lie of muslim and abu dawud etc ! THESE PEOPLE REJECT QURAN FOR A FABRICATED SUNNAH written 290 years after the Prophet. ( QURAN 25:29-30) ( QURAN 2: 1-2)
[6:114] Shall I seek other than God as a source of law when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed? Those whom We gave the Scripture know that it has been brought down from your Lord with the truth. You shall not be among those who doubt. Hadith-followers = shirk. They will burn in hell
'I dont care about the qira'at, I read without marks, I dont care about those 10 men who cares' 10 seconds later 'I used Hafs 'an 'Aasim for my translation that I published.' pure genius
exactly! He says "The umayyads did this and the umayyads did that" but hold on a second... where did you get that from? he uses history (history that is not nearly as well preserved as the hadith) and builds here on what he wants to believe. he only goes according to his desires...
@@ISAiah.42 this topic goes only back to: is there a God. If we answer it with yes, there is no issue here. Allah can provide him with a horse that brings him to his throne. Allah could have teleported him up to himself but he chose the former and it is on him to know why he did it! If you want to make a point, try to be coherent and try to critique the main issue and not unnecessary ones! judging by your name, you are a christian. you believe that God died.... you see? this is the kind of argument you present!
@@ISAiah.42, If you are a Quranist then you insult the Quran by mocking the communication of ants If you are a christian then you mock the Bible by mocking it If you are atheist then you are going against scientific fact that ants do indeed communicate with one another
I once asked a hadith rejector about how he knows the Quran is preserved. He then goes ahead and quoutes hadiths on how the Quran was collected and copied. When i pointed out to him, that he is now quouting hadiths, he tried to convince me that it was not from hadith, it is from history. And no matter how much i pointed out to him, that the history book he obviously had read on the subject got it from hadiths, he refused to listen to me.
They follow their desires no matter what, if it wasn't haddith rejection I'd be complete atheism, cause they deeply want to make the halal Haram and the Haram halal but they're too spineless to admit they've left Islam
Yeah. According to him , he's come over a millennium later and has found the perfect Qur'an which no one else did. I don't know if that's brainwashing, arrogance, ignorance. Or any other word that could apply here.
Mr. Edip Yuksel, this guy was the first Quranist that I started listening to. I was a bit confused back then about some things he was talking about and couldn’t agree with him because it would have meant that all I was following was full of lies. But now, many years later I did my own research and I have to say, this man is a legend! I’ve been living following Quran only for the last few years. It’s difficult and feels lonely most of the time, but it’s worth it! Love this guy’s work!
@@OmgMustafa I don't think I said there are more than one Quran,but I'm pretty sure you didn't read the verses i mentioned or simply chose to ignore them. I'm not gonna fight you any longer,only time will tell.
@adrva345 so you need to follow some Persian Bukhari and Muslim blindly who couldn’t even speak Arabic properly and that means you are obeying the messenger of Allah? This verse means you have to believe in the Quran, not some made up written stories about how the prophet used to live! How about these verses? These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you with truth, so in which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe? 45:6 Follow what has been brought down to you from your Lord and do not follow any allies besides Him. Rarely do you remember! 7:2-3 Or do you have some book in which you are studying? 68:37 And this is a blessed Book which We brought down, so follow it and be reverent so that you may attain mercy. 6:155 This (Quran) is not a fabricated hadith, but an authentication of what came before it, a detailed account of all things, and guidance and mercy for people who believe. 12:111 We brought the Book down to you providing explanations of all things. 16:89 Shall I seek other than God as a lawmaker when it is He who has brought down to you the Book fully detailed? 6:114 Need I say more? The whole Quran is full of these words, saying over and over that we must believe in the word of Allah only! If you believe in any other book than Allah’s book (THE QURAN) then you believe that the book is incomplete and you know what that means! And therefore, I refer you to the same verse: “Do you believe in some parts of the book and disbelieve in others?
The final words this "scholar" said really bothered me. 33:03 to 33:10 "I cannot (somethingsomething) against those who close their eyes. I cannot show the light." Hey Edip, Islam is not Christianity. Only Allah SWT guides those who are sincere to Him towards the Truth. Based on this video, it evidentally shows that you aren't.
As Farid said, if everyone followed his methodology of changing the recitation of Qur'an, there would be way more ikhtilaf in the Ummah, which ironically they blame on ahadith.
You misheard what Edip said. He didn’t say he follows his whims. Rather, he said he follows any recitation that, when applied to entirely of the Quran, doesn’t lead to internal errors within the words of the Quran. Remember, chapter 2, verse 2: “that is the book, no doubt in it, a guidance for almuttaqeen”. Therefore, if a particular recitation of the Quran would lead to meanings of Arabic words that produce an internal error within the text of Quran, then according “that is the book, no doubt in it” is false, and therefore, not the original recitation. However, if any recitation that does not lead to internal errors within the text of the Quran, as said, is okay, since they demonstrate that “that is the book, no doubt in it” is true. Now, I’ve only looked at five of ten Qira’aat, of them being Hafs and Warsh, they all have the same diacritical markings for chapter 2, verse 2. If the latter five Qira’aat have the same marking as well, then: “that is the book, no doubt in it, a guidance for almuttaqeen” is the criterion or standard for discerning which recitation will demonstrate that verse to be true or false; and those that demonstrate the verse to be false, then, can be disregarded as not reliable recitations. All it takes is for one internal error to be found to demonstrate verse 2 to be false, since it claims that there is no internal doubt or uncertainties in the words of the book or Quran.
@@Lightbulb909 what you will say about this verse (3:7) It is He Who has revealed the Book to you. Some of its verses are absolutely clear and lucid, and these are the core of the Book.5 Others are ambiguous.6 Those in whose hearts there is perversity, always go about the part which is ambiguous, seeking mischief and seeking to arrive at its meaning arbitrarily, although none knows their true meaning except Allah. On the contrary, those firmly rooted in knowledge say: ‘We believe in it; it is all from our Lord alone.’7 this is what Quranist do , They interpret those verses as per their desire , Like Jins , Hoor , How to perform Salat, Fasting , how to perform Hajj , If ALLAH SWT was meant to reveal Only Quran then every single detail would have been in Quran But ALLAH SWT did not put burden upon Muslims to remember such a huge Book and ALLAH SWT revealed this book upon Prophet Muhammad pbuh who taught us this Quran So whenever you will interpret Quran as per your desire you will go astray as this verse said , Companions R.A did not even interpret as per their own desires
@@rajababy2009 What does it mean to follow one’s own desires? To do so, is to approach the text with preconceptions and ideas that one prefers, and argue that is what the text is saying, and bending the text in every which way to demonstrate that this interpretation is the only possible meaning. How do you know that you are not doing thus from your own desires? You desire that the Hadith and Sunnah must be supported by the Quran so that its validity it strong and that it is reliable. So, when other people interpret a verse, and this interpretation is one you have not heard, you dismiss such interpretation because it goes against the desire that Hadith and Sunnah are supported by the Quran. Do you see how weak of an objection it is to say to someone: “you following your own desires”? Literally, any Muslim that has his own preconceptions about the Quran hurls this objection at another Muslim with a different preconception about the Quran. Instead of trying to see if an interpretation holds any water, it’s so much easier to accuse one of following their own desire when interpreting the text.
That's like saying if everyone spoke English differently there'd be different languages. Of course, people do speak English differently, there's British English, Canadian English, American English, New Zealand English Australian English South Africa etc etc. Yet it's all English and the meaning of the words is exactly the same in every dialect (excepting slang). Would speaking English differently over a SUPER long period of time mean different languages? probably, but that's a different argument. A difference in recitation or pronunciation does not mean a difference in meaning.
@@kangzosa there is difference between the book of ALLAH SWT and a language . ALLAH SWT words cant be change and language can be evolved no Problem but to Preserve Quran we need to stick to the basics which is the recitation of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and His companions
How does this anyhow have to do with "kurdish ideologies" I lived in turkey and from what Ive seen kurds were the most god fearing and pious muslims in the country whereas turkish people fell into adultery and idolatry
@@squidguard4743 The flying donkey like creature is also mentioned in prophecies of Hinduism that resonate with the revelation of the Quran. To be honest, God knows best but it's funny people judge so fast about things, guessing at the unseen, and try to disprove the unseen with no proof. The future is from the unseen, and if you told stuff we experience now, or tech we have, to people of the past, it would be their "flying donkey" and they would ridicule you. "I use a luminous box to communicate to people from China in real time, and i can know what they are seeing using this method" They would think i'm going crazy or that i'm a divinator... but i'm only using a phone or a pc... That's the issue with "reason is king" ideology, i agree to a degree, there are hadiths talking about people not reasoning being the cause of death of a companion and it being bad... so yeah, but we can't be extremists... Allah knows best. We live in a Dajjalic era it seems. But I want to be fair, because the j3ws who killed the prophets probably argued the same, i don't want to be like them, but i don't want to be dajjalized either lol...
As a Turk, I feel great shame knowing people like this, that apostate, and the many Sufis exist. Alhamdulillah that I was guided away from that, and may Allah continue to guide all of us.
@Tim As a Turk, you should be ashamed of being Muslim in the first place. Your people are far better than the sticking concoctions of Arabs and Persians in the distant past.
@@paulthomas281 - Amazing how you have nothing better to do. Islam has nothing to with ethnicity, might want to go learn more and choose who you gaslight more carefully. As it stands, you are nothing but a devil.
@@paulthomas281 You pagans don't know about Islam. Islam has nothing to do with ethnicity. Im a Bengali and A Muslim. There are Muslims who are Arabs, Turks, persians, Pasthoons, Israelites, Pakistanis, Malaysians, Indonesians Etc. So Islam is not about race. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is for Everyone.
@@doctorsnuggles3299 - They're not necessarily like this guy. Sufis have a wide range. The best of them do not pay too much to the Sunnah and are innovators, the worst of them commit shirk and still claim to be Muslim.
These people talk about the proper recitation of the Qur'an, yet, they can not talk among each other in respect to their rights and does not even waiting the other side to finish his argument. And you think that these people will lead Muslims to the future of victory? Yeah! Right! Why not? They know Islam so well that, if Muhammad would have been alive now, they would have taught about the hadeeth to him, because, you are teaching your religion to Allah already.
Arent you just following your desires ? It is easier to worship a fellow human being than a God that you cannot see. You are just taking the easy way by following hadiths. Forsaking God and his book. Following a human being that died more than thousand years ago. And not even that, the hadiths are fake, the prophet never said such things. Which is why they were only able to create it 300 years after the prophet's dead. It is pathetic.
@@Irshaad1337 1 thing I noticed about hadith rejectors, across them all, is their extreme lack of Islamic knowledge. "Which is why they were only able to create it 300 years after the prophet's dead. It is pathetic." We are just going to act like the Muatta of Imam Malik didnt exist, which was less than 100 years after the death of RasulAllah(saw). Please do yourslef the favor, before taking about hadith, and its transmittion, just learn about it a little.
@@Irshaad1337 Alhamdulliah I try to read the Quran everyday. I appericate the advice. But to say hadiths came 300+ years after the Prophet is just foolosh, and gave away the clear indicator that you have 0 knowledge about hadiths. But that's what all haidht rejectors have in commin. Lack of Islamic knowledge
@@liby254 The academics and even your hadith-scholars admitted the hadiths came 300 years after the prophet. If you title me as a "hadith-rejector" than I will title you as a "Traitor of the Quran". You commited shirk by following a fiction-based Prophet from the hadiths comparable to the jews who created a golden calf to worship as a substitute of God.
I feel sad for them. Such a contradictory belief to hold on. Saddest part it is they are on the edge of heresy even in their own terms (rejecting Qur'an).
The ending was sooo disappointing and funny at the same time. He seemed very confident and i was actually waiting for a strong argument from him for half an hour. And then Farid pushes him a bit and he leaves LOL comical and disappointing
These men are acting like children. This gentleman has Obviously sacrificed more time and done more actual work than all of them combined. Yet they constantly interrupt and ( in the beginning) attempt to belittle him instead of giving him his due respect. Still, he plows through them . Also I find it interesting that the most vocal UA-cam stars are suddenly silent.
The guy is totally lost... It seems these days there are many people who call themselves Muslims who are totally lost. May Allah guide all the lost Muslims.
@@ThanaVu This is part of the Sunnah and the Quran tells us to follow the example of the Messenger of Allah. If kissing a stone is pagan then kissing wife and children makes the person a pagan too.
@@abdelhak943 Here comes another hadith-believer, who, if they were born in a hindu-family, would be a devoted hindu-believer. That is truth of hadith-muslims. They follow their scholars and family only because they were born among them. Weak.
The question should not be how does one pray but how does one does good actions and corret obligation with parents, spouse, orphans, the neighboor, the friend.. Physical moviments parroting the quran is nonsense... Quran is to be studied and implemented.. is spiritual guidance for humanity not a yoga manual for arabia
He HAS to change history, islamic teaching and even the Quran itself to justify his ideology. He has no chose but to change them, may Allah guide him to the straight path, he is off the rails.
nah I'm done talking to quranist talking to walls is way better because atleast they don't make the : "hadith was created 300 years after the death of the prophet" argument😂
Short background of Edip Yüksel: He is from Turkey and quite "famous" at the reformists corner. (I sincerely apologize...) His father was a big sunni scholar and rejected him openly of being a murtad. Oh and he follows an indian guy claiming to be the last prophet. So there is more to it than just rejecting hadiths. There even is a video of hım making weird moves as his interpretation of salah in middle of a masjid...
it's so absirdt that this hadith rejector goes on to say that we don't need history,what do we have to do by knowing history,i mean it's so pathetic because the quran itself dwells into the history and the stories of the past ,as knowing history is what makes a flourish
@@finalfrontier001 what you're saying nonsensical,quran is preserved by allah ,but that doesn't mean allah will himself come and do something, it simply implies that allah will preserve quran through the pious people,and that has been done , that's our aqida that the quran we have today ,(all the qiraats ),are the same which was sent down to the prophet
6:40 I’m against the Qurani but that brother who made that point needs to retract his statement.. the Quran clearly says “ if it wasn’t from Allah then you will find errors in it”.
brother you realise these guys don't have any empathy for the greatest man? they are the definition of nasibis who hate the prophet that's why they don't need the sunnah, it's because they say it loudly that they don't need to follow the prophet sounds like the Jews when they say that muhamed was a true prophet but he was only sent to the Arabs and they even believe in one God... that exactly why Allah calls the munafiqun😅
Why does no one just end this guys with the verse (اطيعوا الله واطيعوا الرسول) How would they ever obey the prophets saying if they don't believe in hadith
Because we would answer: Obey the messenger means obeying the message of the messenger. And the message is the Quran. And not the hadiths. If God wanted us to follow Muhammad himself, it would have said "Muhammad" but instead it said the "messenger". And the message of the messenger is the Quran. And yes you can call me a hadith-rejector while I will call you a hadith-muslim, the ones who have betrayed the Quran. You will feel hellfire at day of judgement when you continue this godless path. You are committing shirk. Be warned. Worshipping the person of Muhammad = shirk. Hadiths = shirk.
stop strawmaning no one worships muhamed smh literally the dumbest argument that instead of follow THE MESSANGER as clearly stated in the ayah you say that we have to believe in the message which we do but in that message it say to follow the the messages so circular reasoning ain't gon take you far.... and saying that God had to say the name of the messenger instead of the title of the messanger is even dumber..... because God addresses muhamed as the messenger in 99% of the quran because it's an honorable title but it's still referring to the same person God said to follow him and his messenger but even if he used another word like prophet you still wouldn't obey him🤦♂️
I went to high school right across the street from Rashad Khalifa's "Masjid". I walked by it daily, alhamdulillaah Allah always kept me from going inside or asking for more info. As a teenager one might be susceptible to false ideologies, as Shaytaan can whisper many falsehoods into the ears. Plus, my eemaan in Islaam at that time was nowhere near to what it is now. Khalifa himself even came into my computer class few times, as we had one of the best programs in Southern Arizona at that time. A few months later he got killed, Edip was all over the news. Seeing Edip 31 years later on CH or still championing the "Quran Only" narrative is mind boggling. Wallahi this man has not learned a single thing in all these years. He is the definition of a cult leader. La hawla walaa quwwatta illa billah.
Regardless of recitation the correct meaning of words in the Quran is important for understanding the words of God. The argument of recitation is completely irrelevant. Than they switched to about how to pray. Salat is not the ritual pray that we need to look detailed in some other sources. The meaning of salat is in the Quran . It means to follow closely. Very simple. God is the teacher of the Quran. We all need study the Quran as much as possible
Honestly, i think that's an L on the translators, or interpreters. I believe the preserved recitations by tradition do have a value, Allah knows best of course. It is said, by their fruits you shall know them. If it sounds cool, but then it produces chaos, i am then unsure if they are on the right path. I'm tempted tbh, because i like certainty, but at the same time I don't know if their assumptions are true. Because the 19 code is one thing, but other stuff in my opinion they are assuming it. And the Quran warns us about twisting the tongues. 3:7 هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَـٰتٌۭ مُّحْكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌۭ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌۭ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّۭ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَلْبَـٰبِ ٧ He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason. - Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran Of course, some may disagree, but if you pay attention my brother, you will see that this is exactly what lead to the corruption of Christianity, they strated reading the verses with their own desires/intellect, the issue with that is that people tend to seek philosofy, greek philosofy made up the trinity. And this person, the scholar of Quran only, he also relies in philosofy, as others do. The issue is that philosofy is man made, full of errors. I reverted to Islam because i got myself totally lost by hearing humans for moral advice. Why then would i revert to that, if I can read whatever and stretch the Quran to fit my desires, even if i tell myself i'm being honest, i don't think that's the right way. Allah knows, and we don't. I'm just saying my thinking right now, it may change. I only pray Allah subhana wa taala forgives our mistakes in any case. I don't want division in the umman, and i respect truth seekers, and i'm sure they got some good idea, but if one pays attention to more traditional scholars many also get to the same conclusions, without the need to go all to an extreme, Allahu 3alam. Perhaps we should hear some good scholars, I mean i'm unsure, but Ali Ataie is quite cool, he has also some weird opinion, he's more into Bible as a Muslim so he may be tempted to legitimize that more, Allahu 3alam. Appart from him i'm still researching good scholars who actually are more into Quran... one interesting point is the multiple readings of the Quran, i believe there is that, but as I said extremism may lead you astray even if the concept is true in principle... May Allah guide us all.
On the issue of 'understand as you please,' being able to see contradictions requires a certain sense of consistency, objectivity and honesty, a certain level of knowledge. He seems dishonest because he is relying on narrations (recitations and ahadeeth) when he chooses and discards them inconsistently/randomly. He could not have understood anything he considers knowledge without the very thing he believes as valueless. He has more evidence in favor of what he rejects than he does in favor of his position against it
He doesn’t use Hadith a premise of truth to refute Hadith. Instead, he used Hadith to point out that it is self-refuted. In other words, there are Hadith that contradict other Hadith.
Because it is not from the prophet and because the Quran says to only follow Quran. History is totally something else. Islam is religion and history is just history.
I like what you say, if you say good morning/afternoon/evening to everyone except the hadeeth rejectors and twisters of the understanding of the words of Allah then where do they fit in all of this?? I think they're in a completely different dimension lol in a vacuum.
Good morning to every sincere believer. Learn better manners: Quran 6:52 وَلَا تَطْرُدِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِٱلْغَدَوٰةِ وَٱلْعَشِىِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُۥ ۖ مَا عَلَيْكَ مِنْ حِسَابِهِم مِّن شَىْءٍۢ وَمَا مِنْ حِسَابِكَ عَلَيْهِم مِّن شَىْءٍۢ فَتَطْرُدَهُمْ فَتَكُونَ مِنَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ ٥٢ Do not dismiss those who invoke their Lord morning and evening, seeking His pleasure. You are not accountable for them whatsoever, nor are they accountable for you. So do not dismiss them, or you will be one of the wrongdoers.
My guy said he used to be a Sunni scholar... 😂 What a load of BS. Real talk, if he was a real Sunni scholar, he would've legit given my brothers Farid and them some difficulty. There was absolutely 0 reason to believe he was a Sunni scholar. Plus I want to know where he got his ijaza from. 😂
This guy should understand the importance of Hadith if he’s “expert” in Quran. In Al-Emran 3: 48 Allah said: وَيُعَلِّمُهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ (48) This is the verse regarding Allah teaches Esa peace upon him literacy, knowledge Torah, the Injeel and given him "الحكمة" here is the sunnah of Essa (Jesus) peace upon him, it means prophets had sunnah as well prophet Muhammad peace upon him and that’s also part of religion that Allah demands us to follow. This guy should realized it if he only read Quran🤦🏽♂️
@NO NAME then tell me how you can pray step by step using Quran alone? Do the pilgrimage step by step? How do we calculate the amount of zakat? It’s you who don’t value prophet Muhammad’s teaching. Look at your Islam way is must be filled with holes and confusing questions if you don’t believe in the accepted Hadith.
@NO NAME On what basis you made that claim? From your head or in Quran? If so, THEN SHOW ME Step-by-step using the Quran!! Where in Quran? And how many reka’a each prayer? How many times you pray in a day? All using Quran only
@NO NAME Muslims pray 5 times a day, 1 in the morning (fajer), twice in afternoon (dhuher+Asher) and third time (mugreb+esha), the Hadith MATCHES the Quran timing exactly. You said Islam is dead, when it was dead? Give me a time period. How come Muslims pray after prophet Muhammad passed away? Imagine your in first century of Islam, how did Muslims pray? Using Quran only? You can not use Quran alone. If you claim Islam is dead then it means your won’t be questioned in day of judgment cause you don’t have applied Islam to follow and that denial. That’s what the devil wants you to think to stray you from the truth. Don’t listen the whispers of the devil he wants to you to questioned the foundation of Islam
@NO NAME so you’re saying God promise to preserve the Quran and the religion was false? Are you saying God didn’t allow the preservation of Islam all these 1400 years? if so then God tells you in the Quran in 4: 165-169 “Messengers delivering good news, and bringing warnings; so that people may have no excuse before God after the coming of the messengers. God is Powerful and Wise (165) But God bears witness to what He revealed to you. He revealed it with His knowledge. And the angels bear witness. Though God is a sufficient witness (166) Those who disbelieve and repel from God’s path have gone far astray (167) Those who disbelieve and transgress; God is not about to forgive them, nor will He guide them to any path (168) Except to the path of Hell, where they will dwell forever. And that is easy for God (169)” Please re-read those verses and think carefully, it’s a matter of heaven and hell.
I am sunni, but regardless of my beliefs here, you guys asked most of your questions quite condescendingly. Many interruptions when speaker trying to make a point, very jarring. We get that you do not agree with his views, but at least allow the man to make his full point before you jump to critiques and responses. Even worse, you would speak over him dismissively while he would be quoting the Quran. I'm just saying that Its most important to get the full argument of both sides before any logical conclusions can be drawn. You were very restrictive with that safe space this time around In Edips defence, the Quran says over and over again the the disbelievers always say to the messengers that come to them things like "shall we forfeit what we were taught from our forefathers". This sounds like 11:62
Your last statement has nothing in comment with Islam. Our religion is based on clear evidences from the Quran and then the Sunnah, the Quran makes it clear to follow the Sunnah, we take our understanding and deen from the very sahaba who conquered many lands and spread Islam far and wide, they brought the Quran and the Sunnah, which is absolutely nothing like the ignorant idol worshippers that did so because those before them did, without any daleel for even doing so.
@@mikk3150 youre ignoranmce shows because you are unable to listen to an opinion you disagree with even before any evidence is proposed. If you are not constantly questioning islam, you are not properly following islam.
@@salihtaysi I've heard this nonsensical hadith rejecting trash before many times over the years. I've heard Edip before, he like the rest of them just make it up as they go along. They have no understanding of Quran, or what it says, no understanding of Hadith and how it was compiled, the preservation of the Sunnah. Their knowledge doesn't go beyond "Bukhari was written 300 years after the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalam died" and all te other ignorant tripe. And where did you get this "questioning Islam" nonsense from? We should contemplate and ponder over what the Quran says, we do not question it.
@@mikk3150 If you do not question your reality,. you will never learn the real truth. Reading the Quran is more than just reading the text in the book. Quran requires careful, diligent interpreting, and you can only do that by questioning what you're reading and trusting that Allah will provide the answer. The Quran is not just some regular old book. The Quran is truth. My initial comment was about bad manners. You should always treat other people like they have something to teach you. Allah teaches us through everyONE and everyTHING. Blind faith is not enough, you have to work on your faith. Good luck to you. Salamun Alaykum
As a Turkish I feel ashamed because of Edip. And it is not surprising us when we look at his background... His Family denied him for years and his brother himself on an discussion program denied him.. May Allah give him and us Hidayah...
I am sure you Turkish people have much more other matters to be ashamed for. Understand that believing in God is bigger than being in the grace of your family. Otherwise the prophet would have never accepted the Quran revelations as his family refused to do so. Shame on you that you can not even comprehend this. Satan has made you blind.
Ummayads got immensely wealthy and powerful, it is foolish to believe that the Hadith were not distorted during their time. Bukhari was born almost 250 years later, into the Abbasid dynasty, it would have been impossible for him to separate truth from fiction as even the great grand-kids of the Sahaba were now long dead.
They believe it was man who preserved the Quran, and therefore take the Deen that they prescribed in their man narrated books. THE real believers know Allah preserves the Quran and take their a Deen through The word of Allah!
Why would you have 8 guys vs someone with an unpopular perspective? Edip starts to explain his view and guys interrupt angrily whenever he says something they don't understand instead of letting him finish. I don't agree with Edip's take on recitations but he's right about the Qur'an not needing hadiths to be understood; the Qur'an decides which hadiths are true or false, not an outdated and unscientific "authentication" process that could've been manipulated like so much of Islam after the prophet's death.
@@FaridResponds Thats such a non-argument smh. Being unfair is still unfair even if its against a heretic or non-Muslim. Plus, medieval "traditional" Muslim sects believed the same things.
@@ltopomcfly5583 It wasn't a scheduled or moderated debate. He came into a Sunni room. Keep defending your kaffir anyhow. He would've uttered kufr even if it was 1v1.
@@FaridResponds Getting pissy shows a weak mind. Thats fair, but comments are claiming he lost because 8 dudes over-talked and insulted him like teenage boys. And you posted it like a win smh.
This entire topic is a false dichotomy. On one end you have people who reject everything outside of the Quran and want to reinterpret it, and on the other end you have people who put man made history books at the same level as the divine book, some of the extremists of the later even put the hadith above the Quran. Both sides are in complete disagreement with each other, no one considers the middle ground.
Honestly thank you so much Brother Farid and all other scholars for refuting these claims. It is really sad to see, but the Ummah is getting more and more divided.
@@Lightbulb909 Haha keep trying to protect your "scholars". They know nothing and are misguided. Farid actually studied for years with teachers that go back all the way to the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). People make claims without actually seeking the knowledge.
the holly spirit is guiding him and his "reasoning", how dare you questioning him! the funny thing is that every sunnah rejecter/murtad claim that he is right because he is using his intellect, but they themselves disagree on almost everything.
Using history to explain yarmuk and believing the authenticity of the story and doubting the hadith narrations altogether. He wasnt "critical" about his views.
pity Edp, still for him to claim he's a prophet same as what Khalifa ended up with.... This is clear tiny hole these enemies are digging to open n doors for Quran corruption, at the end (these Quranites/Hadith rejecters) may will only say same as Ibliss We only calked u, u decided, don't blame us😅 Since denying the Quran reached them through the comoanions, then everyone would claim he got it from the holy spirit or Amazon as many saying already 😂😂😂 Total Chaos🤐😷 May Allah sw guide them back if sincerely looking toward 🤲✌
Brother farid drop the mic on edip. He came to lecture and ended up being educated. Question: if people reject Hadith like edip can they be called Muslims? Thanks
No point in wasting energy on these things just make it quick and say "The same sources that brought you the hadith brought you the Quran, how do you think you got either?" Discussion over.
So, every HADITH must be SAHIH...One error/mistake in any HADITH will mean that the same will be in QURAN. The SAME SOURCES This is why one should NEVER attempt to compare any WRITINGS to QURAN
@@ZeroCelsius777 Obviously I am reffering to authentic hadith wher the sources have to be authenticated via the neccessary conditions like chain of naration and multi-attested etc.. Why would you make such a ridiculous assumption that I was talking about "All" hadith when clearly anyone but a troll would know it was "All Authentic" hadith. It is like talking about water and having to mention it is wet...
@@EyeIn_The_Sky Even what the HADITHERS call AUTHENTIC Hadith is INCORRECT or totally FALSE Explain that E.g. STONING Quran CLEARLY says 100 lashes for FORNICATION…Quran 24:2… So we first understand the definition of fornication... Fornication: Noun…Voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other. Okay, got it? The FORNICATORS can be unmarried or they can be married to someone else. Please explain why they follow something that DISOBEYS ALLAH and what he ORDERS in QURAN and want to STONE people instead.
@@EyeIn_The_Sky Then there are the Silly SUPERSTITIONS that the HADITHERS follow... E.g. Anybody knows why we YAWN. We yawn when the blood needs oxygen. A yawn causes a big intake of air and a faster heartbeat, which means that it is pumping more oxygen through the body. So a yawn is simply designed to help clear toxins out of the blood and provide a fresh supply of oxygen. HOWEVER...ask some HADITHER and they will say... Bukhari, volume 4, book 54, number 509 & Sahih Muslim, book 42, hadith 7130… WHAT THE?!
If you believe that the Quran comes from or is preserved by scholars you're not believing in what the Quran says about itself. Which is fine, but then what is your religion then if it is not based on Quran?
The more I listen to hadith believers, the more I see how far they are from the Koran. You can bring historical facts, you can quote verses from the Koran that reject hadith books, you can even bring hadiths that are considered "sahih" but are contradictory in themselves, you can do whatever you want, they just don't want to understand. Now I also understand what Allah means by guiding whoever he wants. Hadithbelievers are definitly not.
These guys speak as if before the Quran and the Prophet , no-one recited Arabic verses. The Quran was revealed in the tongue of the Arabs and therefore how the verses were to be recited were already known to the people. The interviewers are trying to impose their false notion of the Prophet , Sahabas and imams as the only teachers of recitation and questioning him with it. There is nothing in the Quran that says 7 recitations were revealed. So questioning him over this false idea is nonsensical. The interviewers should first prove their point first
Wait, this guy says ‘read Quran however you want, as long as it does not contradict another part of the quran.’ If you take this understanding, we should ask him to prove this point to us. Like, show us an example of how a person can read something in a way they want to, then show how it CAN be contradicted by reading something else incorrectly, and then correct this same mistake by reading it in another way. That is one way he can prove his method to be true. Second, how does this individual read the first three letters of Surah Baqarah? Third, can they exercise their thinking with the example mentioned in my second point? If not, why not? Fourth, how do they trust that the Quran has been preserved? This would be an issue for non muslims as they would say that a Quranic claim to preservation cannot suffice as proof that it is preserved? There has to be something external to the Quran to verify it? Apart from using historical narratives, that are spread from people, how does one arrive at the conclusion that the Quran is preserved?
From what I understood from him he believes anyone basically makes his own Quran how he likes it and it is correct and all the reciters are wrong even though they made their own Quran according to him
Those who deny, reject hadiths, and claim -they follow,believe only in Quran -are actually don't believe the Quran also. Their aim,target is to destroy Islam. They are trained, financed by highly cunning, rich people in the west. That's why, most quranists are active in the west. This is very serious matter. Just some Quranists - Hany Atchan ( USA) Sojol Rowshan ( USA - bangladesh origin) Mohammad Saikh ( USA - Pakistani). Mehibullah Jessori ( UK- Bangladeshi) Edip Yuksel ( USA - Turkey). This behind the curtain team do the works, arrange verses of the quran to make a point,make notes, change the true meaning of the verse, hide other clear verses, translate falsely etc to destroy true tafseer of the Quran to confuse muslims. Just in this video - Edip changes the true translation, tafseer about the victory of Rome, then victory of Persian. He just changed Quran to suit his agenda. May Allah bless all muslims, and protect Iman.
Is the debate too long? Skip to 31:40 for the gist of it.
A quick recap. Edip believes the following:
- anyone can come up with his own recitation based on dotless manuscripts
- Allah's ﷻ wanted people to come up with their own recitations
- the actual reciters of the Quran are unreliable
- we cannot accept that the reciters of the Quran actually read in the way that we know they read
- we cannot rely on the recitations of the reciters even if they all agree on a recitation
- the Umayyad empire played a role in creating recitations for political gain
- Edip wrote his translation of the Quran based on Hafs' recitation
In brief, Edip, arguably the most well-known Quran-only scholar, doesn't believe that the Quran was preserved.
One point I didn't address in our talk was that the reciters, even when differing, weren't making mistakes, but were reciting in the way that they were taught to recite since the Quran was revealed in seven modes. Please refer to the video below for more on the subject.
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Allhamdullilah
Not only this, he believes that the Prophet Muhammed made up the verse in surah Al Baqrah ayah 143.
Brother Farid, if this guy is "scholar" does that make you Super super super super duper Scholar?
Bruhh, the irony in that last minute 😂😂🤦🏻♀️
Brothers and sisters never forget our oppressed brothers and sisters in your dua and raise awareness for them specially the uyghur brothers and sisters. Our brothers in kashmir are also in great pain. Remember dua is the biggest strength of a believer.
Our beloved prophet(sm) said ,'‘Whoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; if he is unable to, then with his tongue; if he is unable, then with his heart - and that is the weakest of faith.’' Narrated by Muslim in his saheeh
@@P_Pro27 : You’re an atheist. That makes you fundamentally nihilistic and irrational. This is why you are so seething with rage, as you have no identity nor purpose in life.
I'm 5mins in and I already find contradiction in what he is saying.
Example: At the beginning, he says Hadith can not be trusted because it is passed on by man and there are contradiction, so on and so on... At the same time he quotes history (Romans and Byzantine) in his argument as though it isn't passed on by man. 😂😂😂 I have a feeling a lot more nonsense are coming...
Passing a hadith from man to man is different than documenting a historical event for example my grandpa could tell me that his best friend said that he doesn't like rice where as in reality he actually did like rice on the other hand my grandpa could tell me about a war he was in and which side won here I can easily research wether it's true or not as many different nations and sources have objected and witnessed this event
@@Samir-dz3np I hope you are not saying what I think you are saying (That hadith can not be trusted) because I can destroy your argument with ease right now. Please tell me that is not the case.
@@Samir-dz3np good explanation.
but isnt hadith also like a documentation?...even when we look at historical events....we cant rely on exactly all the facts since they might ve biased..🤷♀️..after all, wtever research u r doing..u r referring to things written or documented by people...and hadith is not just passing man to man...many svholars verify it and classify it as weak or strong as well....so...hadith and historical documentation sounds similar to me..🤷♀️🤷♀️
@@PEACEWITHIN114 I personally am not a hadith rejector entirely I simply wanted to clear up things but since you got me interested Id like to know what argument you want to "destroy" as I haven't presented any argument for that matter?
LOL at the kitty sandwich pfp
Yeah 😆
I honestly struggled to not be distracted by that, as my mind kept wandering away from the topic to the more pressing question, "why is Farid's icon a kitten sandwich?"
hey you need to know this. LIST OF INNOVATIONS AFTER THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD: HERE IS A SHORT LIST OF TEACHINGS INVENTED BY PAGANS THAT ALLAH DID NOT REVEALED IN HIS QURAN HIS FURQUAN BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSE AND PAGANS.
1.- the christian jesus coming from heaven
2.- jesus being now in heaven
3.- jesus being alive in heaven
4.- jesus being the leader of the world for a time
5.- jesus ascending to heaven
6.- jesus descending from heaven to damascus
7.- jesus visiting Mecca
8.- jesus and his fabricated persian pal the madhi coming to fight with the mythological christian creature the antichrist
9.- female circumcision
10.- Prophet Muhammmad ( saw) being descendant of Abraham or Ishmael
11.- Arabs being descendant of Abraham
12.- killing dogs and loving cats , Dogs are highly defended in Quran
13.- Music as haram
14.- follow hadiths
15.- follow the fabrications of Sunni madhhabs or shia
16.- Praying 5 times a day ( this is taken by sunnis from zoroastrians, it wasn´t a teaching of Rasulullah )
17.- stoning to death is not in Quran, this from judaism copied by sunnis who love the jews
18.- Punishing in the grave and all that nonsenses
19.- Soul being alive after death
20.-Prohibition of perfumes
21.-Prohibition of dressing well
22.- Quran being abrogated, this is an insult to Allah who sent the Quran as guidance.
23.- women and daughters not permitted to study
24.- women being in home only.
25.- Women who has not sex with their husbands go to hell
26.- women testimony is half of a man.
27.- women must not work, but stay at home says sunnah of sahib lie of bukhary
28.- kabbah speaking in the day of judgment
29.- drinking camel urine
30.- defecating and using 3 stones
31.- Mary the mother of jesus being the wife of the Prophet Muhammad
32.- Aisha being the best lady
33.- Following caliphs instead of Quran
34.- niqab, burka ! not mentioned in Quran, because it is from pagans.
35.- male circumcision is from judaims copied by sunnis
36.- compulsory or obligatory to be Wearing long beard like jews or hindus
37.-Love arabs
38.- the dead listening to the living people.
39.- women must not pray when they have menses
40.- do not masturbate
41.-praying tashahhud in the prayers.
42.- suckling the breast of adult women for being you know what.
43.- the flood in time of noah being worldwide . ( Quran says it was noah`s town only !)
44.- The Beating of Children Who Stop Praying
45.- Women must not rule a contry
46.- women lack INTELLIGENCE AND RELIGION.
47.- you must not play chess
48.- you must not play dice.
49.- Prophet Muhammad (saw) being a prophet since he was kid
50.- Urine of the prophet being the best drink
51.- the sweating of the prophet Muhammad (saw) being a perfume
52.- Prophet Muhammad being a healer or a performer of miracles, he was just a man !
53.- do not practice oral sex with your wife says sunni innovators imitating christians monks
54.- Satan urinated in people’s ears.
55.- stupid teaching attributted to Rasulullah like this: Angels do not enter a house witch has either a dog or a picture in it.
56.- fevers were caused by the heat of hellfire
57.- sunni sharia being observed by monkeys
58.- Moses kicking an angel of death, THIS IS FROM JEWS copied by sunni scholars
59.- Menses being impurity
60.- Moses fighting with a stone, this is similar to jesus talking with stones.
61.- Humans being in the image of Allah, this was fabricated by the jew abu hurayra from genesis myths
62.- Adam being so giant ! this is from judaims narrated by the lovely abu hurayra the jew
63.- Aisha being the most important to the Prophet. Sunni lovers of Aisha fabricated this.
64.- dajjals and all this fairy christian mythology from christian scriptures is not in Quran
65.- The Killing of People Who Do Not Give Alms
66.- The Imprisonment and Starvation of Those Who Do Not Fast
and the list could go on !!!!
here are some contradictions of the innovation and likes of mabhabs
Is it obligatory to perform the intention to fast in Ramadan for each day separately?
Yes HANAFI
no MALIKI
yes SHAFI’I
no HANBALI
Does talking inadvertently during prayer invalidate the prayer?
Yes HANAFI
No MALIKI
No SHAFI
Yes HANBALI
Is it compulsory to perform ablution in a given order?
No HANAFI
No MALIKI
Yes SHAFI
Yes HANBALI
Are dogs impure?
No HANAFI
No MALIKI
Yes SHAFII
Yes HANBALI
AND THIS LIST IS LONG ! i do not have time to write all these sunni nonsenses fabricated.
BETTER FOLLOW QURAN AND BE HAPPY. FOLLOW THE QURAN THE GUIDANCE OF ALLAH
QURAN 1: 1-2, QURAN 25:29-30
ALL THE FALSEHOODS YOU SAW ARE NOT IN QURAN BECAUSE THEY ARE FALSEHOODS ATTRIBUTED TO ALLAH AND HIS PROPHET, THAT IS WHY THAT RUBBISH IS NOT IN THE HOLY QURAN.
READ........QURAN 41:41-42
@@neganrodriguez7609 lmfao
@@MuhammadSalman7236 i laugh at your sunni sect and leaders and their innovations 🤣 QURAN 9:31. THE TRUE ISLAM IS ONLY THE QURAN AND QURAN IS THE ONLY SOURCE OF TRUE ISLAM
This was a fun conversation! Wonder where you got the pic in this video from 🤔🤐
Glad to have participated in this conversation!
- IjazTheTrini
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Haha brother I see you almost everywhere, Barak Allahu Feekum xD
May Allah guide the sincere. Ameen!
Ameen
@@ercanozdemir6956Stop with backhanded comments your the misguided ones Wallahi all most all of you guys are kaffir you sit around and don’t even recite the shahada
This guy is all over the place.. I couldn't really follow a coherent chain of thought.
imaginw believing in Gods word that were revealed to the prophet but disbelieve in the words of the prophet
Edip Yuksel is part of the Kemalist education system. He has an issue with beards, the thobe, political Islam. He is a munafiq, hes a terrible debater and makes points that are absurd.
@@turkishsalafi9819 you seem geniune guy and i would like for you to join me in my youtube and spread it to people
dajjal, jesus`s return, torment of the grave, mahdi, jesus going to heaven, 5 daily prayers, prophet Muhammad going to heaven, Quran being eternal with Allah etc etc are fabrications.
Only Quran must be followed. one enemy of ALLAH CLAIMING AND SHOUTING THE PHRASE....defend your QURAN, DEFEND YOUR QURAN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MINUTE QURAN 32: 53 this exposes these false people OF ALHUL SUNNA SECT , the sunni sect rejects Quran, abrogates Quran etc etc, attacking Quran of Allah for their rubbish called sunnah from the sahib lie bukary and sahib lie of muslim and abu dawud etc ! THESE PEOPLE REJECT QURAN FOR A FABRICATED SUNNAH written 290 years after the Prophet. ( QURAN 25:29-30) ( QURAN 2: 1-2)
@@mzmi1422 heclaims to but no
*When Truth is heard Against Falsehood , Falsehood perishes . For falsehood by it's nature is bound To perish*
Al Quran 17 :81"
I absolutely love that verse. Another verse is in Surah Ar Rahman
"So which of the favours of your Lord would you deny?"
@Mohammad Saadi which one is the ayah that needs to be quoted properly. Also which translation are you using? I want to see how different your one is.
[6:114] Shall I seek other than God as a source of law when He has brought down to you this book fully detailed? Those whom We gave the Scripture know that it has been brought down from your Lord with the truth. You shall not be among those who doubt.
Hadith-followers = shirk. They will burn in hell
@@Irshaad1337 explain 62:9. It directly mentions Friday prayers. Without hadiths how will someone pray?
@@Shehroze9292 You think people can't pray without hadiths ? Your so funny.
'I dont care about the qira'at, I read without marks, I dont care about those 10 men who cares'
10 seconds later
'I used Hafs 'an 'Aasim for my translation that I published.' pure genius
Hafs and Aasim originally had no marks, so he was correct, but you dont understand because of your lack of knowledge
@@homer1273 But who confirms the correct qiraat for those?
@@homer1273try to read without the marks🤣🤣🤣
You won’t be able to even know what the words mean
@@AbuAbdullahAlHanbaliits you who won't be able to read but the arabic scholars read Arabic without marks
Keep editing the comments. What a clown 🤡
Why does this guy trust history?
Is history the real quran to him
exactly! He says "The umayyads did this and the umayyads did that" but hold on a second... where did you get that from? he uses history (history that is not nearly as well preserved as the hadith) and builds here on what he wants to believe. he only goes according to his desires...
@@kdhanimesan I agree.
@@ISAiah.42 this topic goes only back to: is there a God.
If we answer it with yes, there is no issue here. Allah can provide him with a horse that brings him to his throne. Allah could have teleported him up to himself but he chose the former and it is on him to know why he did it!
If you want to make a point, try to be coherent and try to critique the main issue and not unnecessary ones!
judging by your name, you are a christian. you believe that God died....
you see? this is the kind of argument you present!
I like the freudian slip where he says he accepts Yarmouk because some American said something about it
@@ISAiah.42, If you are a Quranist then you insult the Quran by mocking the communication of ants
If you are a christian then you mock the Bible by mocking it
If you are atheist then you are going against scientific fact that ants do indeed communicate with one another
I once asked a hadith rejector about how he knows the Quran is preserved. He then goes ahead and quoutes hadiths on how the Quran was collected and copied. When i pointed out to him, that he is now quouting hadiths, he tried to convince me that it was not from hadith, it is from history. And no matter how much i pointed out to him, that the history book he obviously had read on the subject got it from hadiths, he refused to listen to me.
They follow their desires no matter what, if it wasn't haddith rejection I'd be complete atheism, cause they deeply want to make the halal Haram and the Haram halal but they're too spineless to admit they've left Islam
Trust me bruh Ayub, that even if they try arguing with their own feet, their feet won't even listen to them hahaha 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DawahTrucker2024 😁😁😁
@@DawahTrucker2024 I love the implication that they'd attempt arguing with their feet in the first place LMAO
The Quran is preserved because God says so in the Quran.
All 10 reading can be wrong? How did he get it right?
The arrogance of this deceiver
Yeah. According to him , he's come over a millennium later and has found the perfect Qur'an which no one else did. I don't know if that's brainwashing, arrogance, ignorance. Or any other word that could apply here.
The irony of it is that all these rejectors will follow him but not the prophet ﷺ or his sunnah.
Mr. Edip Yuksel, this guy was the first Quranist that I started listening to. I was a bit confused back then about some things he was talking about and couldn’t agree with him because it would have meant that all I was following was full of lies. But now, many years later I did my own research and I have to say, this man is a legend! I’ve been living following Quran only for the last few years. It’s difficult and feels lonely most of the time, but it’s worth it! Love this guy’s work!
Read the verse 20 verses of surah al baqarah and you'll see why the person you think is a legend simply is not.
@@HydeCorvus I say, the same applies to you! You should read that! God starts with surat al Baqara by talking about one book!
@@OmgMustafa I don't think I said there are more than one Quran,but I'm pretty sure you didn't read the verses i mentioned or simply chose to ignore them.
I'm not gonna fight you any longer,only time will tell.
@@HydeCorvus so what’s your point? We should not believe in Quran only? Is that what you mean?
@adrva345 so you need to follow some Persian Bukhari and Muslim blindly who couldn’t even speak Arabic properly and that means you are obeying the messenger of Allah? This verse means you have to believe in the Quran, not some made up written stories about how the prophet used to live!
How about these verses?
These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you with truth, so in which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe? 45:6
Follow what has been brought down to you from your Lord and do not follow any allies besides Him. Rarely do you remember! 7:2-3
Or do you have some book in which you are studying? 68:37
And this is a blessed Book which We brought down, so follow it and be reverent so that you may attain mercy. 6:155
This (Quran) is not a fabricated hadith, but an authentication of what came before it, a detailed account of all things, and guidance and mercy for people who believe. 12:111
We brought the Book down to you providing explanations of all things. 16:89
Shall I seek other than God as a lawmaker when it is He who has brought down to you the Book fully detailed? 6:114
Need I say more? The whole Quran is full of these words, saying over and over that we must believe in the word of Allah only! If you believe in any other book than Allah’s book (THE QURAN) then you believe that the book is incomplete and you know what that means! And therefore, I refer you to the same verse: “Do you believe in some parts of the book and disbelieve in others?
I've also spoken to him before. All I can say is may Allah guide him
May Allah guide you as well
Haha. Coming from someone who follows hadith that insult the prophet and Allah.
Lol 😅
I wish I had Edip's imagination. What a fantastical world he must live in.
Is that a compliment or is that just sarcasm?? Do you even understood what he did with the textual understanding and reading? It's very dangerous!!
@@DawahTrucker2024
Its sarcastic :/
Sounds like a Chrisitan lol
@@Hals-Speakers-Corner he’s a secularist from turkey I believe
@@haideraliibnakhlaq8823 yes I heard it in his accent
The final words this "scholar" said really bothered me.
33:03 to 33:10
"I cannot (somethingsomething) against those who close their eyes. I cannot show the light."
Hey Edip, Islam is not Christianity. Only Allah SWT guides those who are sincere to Him towards the Truth. Based on this video, it evidentally shows that you aren't.
U cant understand him because u dont have the holy spirit in u 😉
He said showing and not guiding, are you dumb ?
As Farid said, if everyone followed his methodology of changing the recitation of Qur'an, there would be way more ikhtilaf in the Ummah, which ironically they blame on ahadith.
You misheard what Edip said. He didn’t say he follows his whims. Rather, he said he follows any recitation that, when applied to entirely of the Quran, doesn’t lead to internal errors within the words of the Quran. Remember, chapter 2, verse 2: “that is the book, no doubt in it, a guidance for almuttaqeen”. Therefore, if a particular recitation of the Quran would lead to meanings of Arabic words that produce an internal error within the text of Quran, then according “that is the book, no doubt in it” is false, and therefore, not the original recitation. However, if any recitation that does not lead to internal errors within the text of the Quran, as said, is okay, since they demonstrate that “that is the book, no doubt in it” is true.
Now, I’ve only looked at five of ten Qira’aat, of them being Hafs and Warsh, they all have the same diacritical markings for chapter 2, verse 2. If the latter five Qira’aat have the same marking as well, then: “that is the book, no doubt in it, a guidance for almuttaqeen” is the criterion or standard for discerning which recitation will demonstrate that verse to be true or false; and those that demonstrate the verse to be false, then, can be disregarded as not reliable recitations. All it takes is for one internal error to be found to demonstrate verse 2 to be false, since it claims that there is no internal doubt or uncertainties in the words of the book or Quran.
@@Lightbulb909 what you will say about this verse
(3:7) It is He Who has revealed the Book to you. Some of its verses are absolutely clear and lucid, and these are the core of the Book.5 Others are ambiguous.6 Those in whose hearts there is perversity, always go about the part which is ambiguous, seeking mischief and seeking to arrive at its meaning arbitrarily, although none knows their true meaning except Allah. On the contrary, those firmly rooted in knowledge say: ‘We believe in it; it is all from our Lord alone.’7
this is what Quranist do , They interpret those verses as per their desire , Like Jins , Hoor , How to perform Salat, Fasting , how to perform Hajj ,
If ALLAH SWT was meant to reveal Only Quran then every single detail would have been in Quran But ALLAH SWT did not put burden upon Muslims to remember such a huge Book and ALLAH SWT revealed this book upon Prophet Muhammad pbuh who taught us this Quran So whenever you will interpret Quran as per your desire you will go astray as this verse said , Companions R.A did not even interpret as per their own desires
@@rajababy2009 What does it mean to follow one’s own desires? To do so, is to approach the text with preconceptions and ideas that one prefers, and argue that is what the text is saying, and bending the text in every which way to demonstrate that this interpretation is the only possible meaning.
How do you know that you are not doing thus from your own desires? You desire that the Hadith and Sunnah must be supported by the Quran so that its validity it strong and that it is reliable. So, when other people interpret a verse, and this interpretation is one you have not heard, you dismiss such interpretation because it goes against the desire that Hadith and Sunnah are supported by the Quran.
Do you see how weak of an objection it is to say to someone: “you following your own desires”? Literally, any Muslim that has his own preconceptions about the Quran hurls this objection at another Muslim with a different preconception about the Quran. Instead of trying to see if an interpretation holds any water, it’s so much easier to accuse one of following their own desire when interpreting the text.
That's like saying if everyone spoke English differently there'd be different languages.
Of course, people do speak English differently, there's British English, Canadian English, American English, New Zealand English Australian English South Africa etc etc.
Yet it's all English and the meaning of the words is exactly the same in every dialect (excepting slang).
Would speaking English differently over a SUPER long period of time mean different languages? probably, but that's a different argument.
A difference in recitation or pronunciation does not mean a difference in meaning.
@@kangzosa there is difference between the book of ALLAH SWT and a language . ALLAH SWT words cant be change and language can be evolved no Problem but to Preserve Quran we need to stick to the basics which is the recitation of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and His companions
May Allah guide all Sunnis to Islam
amiin
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Omg, as a Turkish Muslim, this will be such a treat. He just tries to modernize Islam and make it compatible with his fascist ideologies.
That was Mustafa Kemal Ataturk
How does this anyhow have to do with "kurdish ideologies" I lived in turkey and from what Ive seen kurds were the most god fearing and pious muslims in the country whereas turkish people fell into adultery and idolatry
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it’s a sad thing that this crazy guy has followers .
İt's the end of time ya akhi , you should not be surprised
@@ISAiah.42 as a Quranist he believe in angels. How is that any more plausible than believing in flying donkey ?
@@squidguard4743 The flying donkey like creature is also mentioned in prophecies of Hinduism that resonate with the revelation of the Quran.
To be honest, God knows best but it's funny people judge so fast about things, guessing at the unseen, and try to disprove the unseen with no proof.
The future is from the unseen, and if you told stuff we experience now, or tech we have, to people of the past, it would be their "flying donkey" and they would ridicule you.
"I use a luminous box to communicate to people from China in real time, and i can know what they are seeing using this method" They would think i'm going crazy or that i'm a divinator... but i'm only using a phone or a pc...
That's the issue with "reason is king" ideology, i agree to a degree, there are hadiths talking about people not reasoning being the cause of death of a companion and it being bad... so yeah, but we can't be extremists...
Allah knows best.
We live in a Dajjalic era it seems.
But I want to be fair, because the j3ws who killed the prophets probably argued the same, i don't want to be like them, but i don't want to be dajjalized either lol...
As a Turk, I feel great shame knowing people like this, that apostate, and the many Sufis exist. Alhamdulillah that I was guided away from that, and may Allah continue to guide all of us.
@Tim
As a Turk, you should be ashamed of being Muslim in the first place. Your people are far better than the sticking concoctions of Arabs and Persians in the distant past.
@@paulthomas281 - Amazing how you have nothing better to do. Islam has nothing to with ethnicity, might want to go learn more and choose who you gaslight more carefully. As it stands, you are nothing but a devil.
@@paulthomas281 You pagans don't know about Islam. Islam has nothing to do with ethnicity. Im a Bengali and A Muslim. There are Muslims who are Arabs, Turks, persians, Pasthoons, Israelites, Pakistanis, Malaysians, Indonesians Etc. So Islam is not about race. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is for Everyone.
So sufis are ahadith rejectors❓
@@doctorsnuggles3299 - They're not necessarily like this guy. Sufis have a wide range. The best of them do not pay too much to the Sunnah and are innovators, the worst of them commit shirk and still claim to be Muslim.
edip's argument is so crazy that he assumed that qiraats based on competing qiraats or based on disagreement.
These people talk about the proper recitation of the Qur'an, yet, they can not talk among each other in respect to their rights and does not even waiting the other side to finish his argument. And you think that these people will lead Muslims to the future of victory? Yeah! Right! Why not? They know Islam so well that, if Muhammad would have been alive now, they would have taught about the hadeeth to him, because, you are teaching your religion to Allah already.
All I know is, Edip spelled backwards means a Turkish sausage pizza.
Assalamu Alaikum
32:43 thank you very much, I've officially failed to refute you and will resort to leaving now.
The first 5 minutes and 34 seconds should be enough to see these Hadith rejectors just follow their desires
Arent you just following your desires ? It is easier to worship a fellow human being than a God that you cannot see. You are just taking the easy way by following hadiths. Forsaking God and his book. Following a human being that died more than thousand years ago. And not even that, the hadiths are fake, the prophet never said such things. Which is why they were only able to create it 300 years after the prophet's dead. It is pathetic.
@@Irshaad1337 1 thing I noticed about hadith rejectors, across them all, is their extreme lack of Islamic knowledge.
"Which is why they were only able to create it 300 years after the prophet's dead. It is pathetic." We are just going to act like the Muatta of Imam Malik didnt exist, which was less than 100 years after the death of RasulAllah(saw). Please do yourslef the favor, before taking about hadith, and its transmittion, just learn about it a little.
@@liby254Maybe you should start learning to read the Quran because God disapprove the use of hadiths and nowhere did the prophet authorised it.
@@Irshaad1337 Alhamdulliah I try to read the Quran everyday. I appericate the advice. But to say hadiths came 300+ years after the Prophet is just foolosh, and gave away the clear indicator that you have 0 knowledge about hadiths. But that's what all haidht rejectors have in commin. Lack of Islamic knowledge
@@liby254 The academics and even your hadith-scholars admitted the hadiths came 300 years after the prophet. If you title me as a "hadith-rejector" than I will title you as a "Traitor of the Quran". You commited shirk by following a fiction-based Prophet from the hadiths comparable to the jews who created a golden calf to worship as a substitute of God.
I feel sad for them. Such a contradictory belief to hold on. Saddest part it is they are on the edge of heresy even in their own terms (rejecting Qur'an).
Qur’an only “schalah”
Bruh, that thumbnail...
You have a funny one too 😂😂😂
And yours too.. 😂
The ending was sooo disappointing and funny at the same time. He seemed very confident and i was actually waiting for a strong argument from him for half an hour. And then Farid pushes him a bit and he leaves LOL comical and disappointing
These men are acting like children. This gentleman has Obviously sacrificed more time and done more actual work than all of them combined. Yet they constantly interrupt and ( in the beginning) attempt to belittle him instead of giving him his due respect. Still, he plows through them . Also I find it interesting that the most vocal UA-cam stars are suddenly silent.
Amen
Edip you sir you are speaking for millions of us believe me! May Allah reward you
this is scary , this guy's heresy is scary
The guy is totally lost... It seems these days there are many people who call themselves Muslims who are totally lost. May Allah guide all the lost Muslims.
The so called muslims of today following hadith are pagans. Go kiss your black stone.
@@ThanaVu This is part of the Sunnah and the Quran tells us to follow the example of the Messenger of Allah.
If kissing a stone is pagan then kissing wife and children makes the person a pagan too.
@@abdelhak943 God tells us to follow the messenger as in the message of the messenger is the Quran. It is not hadith.
@@Irshaad1337 Lol. Another Hadith rejector who comes with another weird baseless claim.
@@abdelhak943 Here comes another hadith-believer, who, if they were born in a hindu-family, would be a devoted hindu-believer. That is truth of hadith-muslims. They follow their scholars and family only because they were born among them. Weak.
The question should not be how does one pray but how does one does good actions and corret obligation with parents, spouse, orphans, the neighboor, the friend..
Physical moviments parroting the quran is nonsense...
Quran is to be studied and implemented.. is spiritual guidance for humanity not a yoga manual for arabia
Hadiths are very important, they contain important and vital information that we need in life
Bro islam is not complete without hadeeth
@@teenztown yep
@Mohammed Nasser yeah and?
@Mohammed Nasser agreed
Oh for Allah sake this guy doesn't even know how to pray pffff
He HAS to change history, islamic teaching and even the Quran itself to justify his ideology. He has no chose but to change them, may Allah guide him to the straight path, he is off the rails.
nah I'm done talking to quranist
talking to walls is way better because atleast they don't make the : "hadith was created 300 years after the death of the prophet" argument😂
Short background of Edip Yüksel:
He is from Turkey and quite "famous" at the reformists corner. (I sincerely apologize...)
His father was a big sunni scholar and rejected him openly of being a murtad.
Oh and he follows an indian guy claiming to be the last prophet.
So there is more to it than just rejecting hadiths. There even is a video of hım making weird moves as his interpretation of salah in middle of a masjid...
can you share that video please?
breakdance sahih
May Allah guide all the ignorant and arrogant Sunnis and shia to the truth
Conclusion: I cannot brainwash you unless you are open to it.
Kay...
Are you a Muslim
Mental health is a serious issue 🙄
"I read Qur'an however I like"...I think this what he wanted to say
The pinnacle of jahaalah and takabbur. Over 1400 years and I am the only one who has ever known the truth.
Why didn’t anyone invite Jake the Muslim metaphysician? He knows all the arguments of edip & his cult
Sounds like a teacher of Hatun...everything he said is just as much logical as arguments of Hatun...
😁😁😁😁😁
Hatun has nothing to do with this , why are don’t Muslims so obsessed with her
The END 🤣 didn’t see that coming…
There's alot of these podcasts with many Sunni's debating 1 person holding an opposing view
it's so absirdt that this hadith rejector goes on to say that we don't need history,what do we have to do by knowing history,i mean it's so pathetic because the quran itself dwells into the history and the stories of the past ,as knowing history is what makes a flourish
Quran says Allah preseves it not the salaf. Quran has its own intenal mechanism that none of the people after Muhammed knew or would have known of.
@@finalfrontier001 what you're saying nonsensical,quran is preserved by allah ,but that doesn't mean allah will himself come and do something, it simply implies that allah will preserve quran through the pious people,and that has been done , that's our aqida that the quran we have today ,(all the qiraats ),are the same which was sent down to the prophet
6:40 I’m against the Qurani but that brother who made that point needs to retract his statement.. the Quran clearly says “ if it wasn’t from Allah then you will find errors in it”.
He is so easily triggered when being challenged.
Surely not a good characteristic of a debater
"my understanding"!!!!!!
I can show you from where it come this understanding.😊
The recitation remains the same regardless the different dialects. The message for guidance and mercy remains the same
The Edip guy was making some interesting points but suddenly gave up.
3/4 persons vs 1. Can’t you dare 1 to 1?
So how do you follow the Prophet if you don't follow the sunnah
brother you realise these guys don't have any empathy for the greatest man? they are the definition of nasibis who hate the prophet
that's why they don't need the sunnah, it's because they say it loudly that they don't need to follow the prophet
sounds like the Jews when they say that muhamed was a true prophet but he was only sent to the Arabs and they even believe in one God... that exactly why Allah calls the munafiqun😅
Why does no one just end this guys with the verse
(اطيعوا الله واطيعوا الرسول)
How would they ever obey the prophets saying if they don't believe in hadith
Because we would answer: Obey the messenger means obeying the message of the messenger. And the message is the Quran. And not the hadiths. If God wanted us to follow Muhammad himself, it would have said "Muhammad" but instead it said the "messenger". And the message of the messenger is the Quran. And yes you can call me a hadith-rejector while I will call you a hadith-muslim, the ones who have betrayed the Quran. You will feel hellfire at day of judgement when you continue this godless path. You are committing shirk. Be warned. Worshipping the person of Muhammad = shirk. Hadiths = shirk.
stop strawmaning no one worships muhamed smh
literally the dumbest argument that instead of follow THE MESSANGER as clearly stated in the ayah you say that we have to believe in the message which we do but in that message it say to follow the the messages so circular reasoning ain't gon take you far.... and saying that God had to say the name of the messenger instead of the title of the messanger is even dumber..... because God addresses muhamed as the messenger in 99% of the quran because it's an honorable title but it's still referring to the same person
God said to follow him and his messenger but even if he used another word like prophet you still wouldn't obey him🤦♂️
I went to high school right across the street from Rashad Khalifa's "Masjid". I walked by it daily, alhamdulillaah Allah always kept me from going inside or asking for more info. As a teenager one might be susceptible to false ideologies, as Shaytaan can whisper many falsehoods into the ears. Plus, my eemaan in Islaam at that time was nowhere near to what it is now. Khalifa himself even came into my computer class few times, as we had one of the best programs in Southern Arizona at that time. A few months later he got killed, Edip was all over the news. Seeing Edip 31 years later on CH or still championing the "Quran Only" narrative is mind boggling. Wallahi this man has not learned a single thing in all these years. He is the definition of a cult leader. La hawla walaa quwwatta illa billah.
I believe that Arizona "mosque" closed down; am I right?
@@ThatCanadianBrother yeah, I think somebody is living in it i.e. resident housing.
@@SaqifahProductions Thanks.
@@ThatCanadianBrother yw bro
@@mouloudbouchebaba860 stop crying and sit down.
😂😂😂this guy cannot even recite properly, so this is the expert !!!!
Very interesting discussion. Excellent points raised by Farid. Too many people jumping in and changing the topics too frequently.
I laugh everytime I see these himaar trying to fight the Sunnah .. they are good for comedy purposes but nothing else 😀
Regardless of recitation the correct meaning of words in the Quran is important for understanding the words of God. The argument of recitation is completely irrelevant. Than they switched to about how to pray. Salat is not the ritual pray that we need to look detailed in some other sources. The meaning of salat is in the Quran . It means to follow closely. Very simple. God is the teacher of the Quran. We all need study the Quran as much as possible
Honestly, i think that's an L on the translators, or interpreters.
I believe the preserved recitations by tradition do have a value, Allah knows best of course.
It is said, by their fruits you shall know them.
If it sounds cool, but then it produces chaos, i am then unsure if they are on the right path.
I'm tempted tbh, because i like certainty, but at the same time I don't know if their assumptions are true.
Because the 19 code is one thing, but other stuff in my opinion they are assuming it.
And the Quran warns us about twisting the tongues.
3:7
هُوَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ مِنْهُ ءَايَـٰتٌۭ مُّحْكَمَـٰتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـٰبِهَـٰتٌۭ ۖ فَأَمَّا ٱلَّذِينَ فِى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌۭ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـٰبَهَ مِنْهُ ٱبْتِغَآءَ ٱلْفِتْنَةِ وَٱبْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِۦ ۗ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُۥٓ إِلَّا ٱللَّهُ ۗ وَٱلرَّٰسِخُونَ فِى ٱلْعِلْمِ يَقُولُونَ ءَامَنَّا بِهِۦ كُلٌّۭ مِّنْ عِندِ رَبِّنَا ۗ وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّآ أُو۟لُوا۟ ٱلْأَلْبَـٰبِ ٧
He is the One Who has revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ the Book, of which some verses are precise-they are the foundation of the Book-while others are elusive. Those with deviant hearts follow the elusive verses seeking ˹to spread˺ doubt through their ˹false˺ interpretations-but none grasps their ˹full˺ meaning except Allah. As for those well-grounded in knowledge, they say, “We believe in this ˹Quran˺-it is all from our Lord.” But none will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason.
- Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran
Of course, some may disagree, but if you pay attention my brother, you will see that this is exactly what lead to the corruption of Christianity, they strated reading the verses with their own desires/intellect, the issue with that is that people tend to seek philosofy, greek philosofy made up the trinity.
And this person, the scholar of Quran only, he also relies in philosofy, as others do.
The issue is that philosofy is man made, full of errors.
I reverted to Islam because i got myself totally lost by hearing humans for moral advice.
Why then would i revert to that, if I can read whatever and stretch the Quran to fit my desires, even if i tell myself i'm being honest, i don't think that's the right way.
Allah knows, and we don't.
I'm just saying my thinking right now, it may change.
I only pray Allah subhana wa taala forgives our mistakes in any case.
I don't want division in the umman, and i respect truth seekers, and i'm sure they got some good idea, but if one pays attention to more traditional scholars many also get to the same conclusions, without the need to go all to an extreme, Allahu 3alam.
Perhaps we should hear some good scholars, I mean i'm unsure, but Ali Ataie is quite cool, he has also some weird opinion, he's more into Bible as a Muslim so he may be tempted to legitimize that more, Allahu 3alam.
Appart from him i'm still researching good scholars who actually are more into Quran... one interesting point is the multiple readings of the Quran, i believe there is that, but as I said extremism may lead you astray even if the concept is true in principle...
May Allah guide us all.
This person has absolutely no knowledge. I guess he just sat down one day and invented what he wanted to believe in and the evidence.
On the issue of 'understand as you please,' being able to see contradictions requires a certain sense of consistency, objectivity and honesty, a certain level of knowledge. He seems dishonest because he is relying on narrations (recitations and ahadeeth) when he chooses and discards them inconsistently/randomly. He could not have understood anything he considers knowledge without the very thing he believes as valueless. He has more evidence in favor of what he rejects than he does in favor of his position against it
He doesn’t use Hadith a premise of truth to refute Hadith. Instead, he used Hadith to point out that it is self-refuted. In other words, there are Hadith that contradict other Hadith.
He trusts historical accounts passed down by non Muslim men but not historical accounts of the prophet Muhammad ﷺ by Muslim men and women?????
Because it is not from the prophet and because the Quran says to only follow Quran. History is totally something else. Islam is religion and history is just history.
With respect what is he on about? He's not using any principles. He's using emotion.
Referring to whether people should people should come up with their own recitations
"There is no problem with that. TRUST ME".
Edip Yuksel
Yes, Edip let's all make up our own individual readings of the Quran. What's the worst that could happen?
Arent we supposed to take up our own individual reading to begin with ?
The Prophet ﷺ said in a hadith that in there will come a time where foolish will be listened to and the learned people will be ignored.
Memorization of gods words OR a game of telephone for 200 years later from fallible men?
Good morning/afternoon/evening to everyone 😇 except Hadith rejectors 🗿
Good morning
I like what you say, if you say good morning/afternoon/evening to everyone except the hadeeth rejectors and twisters of the understanding of the words of Allah then where do they fit in all of this?? I think they're in a completely different dimension lol in a vacuum.
Subah/sham/shab bakhair 😇
Good morning to every sincere believer.
Learn better manners:
Quran 6:52
وَلَا تَطْرُدِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ رَبَّهُم بِٱلْغَدَوٰةِ وَٱلْعَشِىِّ يُرِيدُونَ وَجْهَهُۥ ۖ مَا عَلَيْكَ مِنْ حِسَابِهِم مِّن شَىْءٍۢ وَمَا مِنْ حِسَابِكَ عَلَيْهِم مِّن شَىْءٍۢ فَتَطْرُدَهُمْ فَتَكُونَ مِنَ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ ٥٢
Do not dismiss those who invoke their Lord morning and evening, seeking His pleasure. You are not accountable for them whatsoever, nor are they accountable for you. So do not dismiss them, or you will be one of the wrongdoers.
ofcourse why would a mushrik greet a believer.
My guy said he used to be a Sunni scholar... 😂 What a load of BS. Real talk, if he was a real Sunni scholar, he would've legit given my brothers Farid and them some difficulty. There was absolutely 0 reason to believe he was a Sunni scholar. Plus I want to know where he got his ijaza from. 😂
This guy should understand the importance of Hadith if he’s “expert” in Quran.
In Al-Emran 3: 48 Allah said: وَيُعَلِّمُهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ (48)
This is the verse regarding Allah teaches Esa peace upon him literacy, knowledge Torah, the Injeel and given him "الحكمة" here is the sunnah of Essa (Jesus) peace upon him, it means prophets had sunnah as well prophet Muhammad peace upon him and that’s also part of religion that Allah demands us to follow.
This guy should realized it if he only read Quran🤦🏽♂️
@NO NAME then tell me how you can pray step by step using Quran alone?
Do the pilgrimage step by step?
How do we calculate the amount of zakat?
It’s you who don’t value prophet Muhammad’s teaching.
Look at your Islam way is must be filled with holes and confusing questions if you don’t believe in the accepted Hadith.
@NO NAME On what basis you made that claim? From your head or in Quran?
If so, THEN SHOW ME Step-by-step using the Quran!! Where in Quran?
And how many reka’a each prayer?
How many times you pray in a day?
All using Quran only
@NO NAME
Muslims pray 5 times a day, 1 in the morning (fajer), twice in afternoon (dhuher+Asher) and third time (mugreb+esha), the Hadith MATCHES the Quran timing exactly.
You said Islam is dead, when it was dead? Give me a time period.
How come Muslims pray after prophet Muhammad passed away? Imagine your in first century of Islam, how did Muslims pray? Using Quran only? You can not use Quran alone.
If you claim Islam is dead then it means your won’t be questioned in day of judgment cause you don’t have applied Islam to follow and that denial. That’s what the devil wants you to think to stray you from the truth.
Don’t listen the whispers of the devil he wants to you to questioned the foundation of Islam
@NO NAME so you’re saying God promise to preserve the Quran and the religion was false?
Are you saying God didn’t allow the preservation of Islam all these 1400 years?
if so then God tells you in the Quran in 4: 165-169 “Messengers delivering good news, and bringing warnings; so that people may have no excuse before God after the coming of the messengers. God is Powerful and Wise (165) But God bears witness to what He revealed to you. He revealed it with His knowledge. And the angels bear witness. Though God is a sufficient witness (166) Those who disbelieve and repel from God’s path have gone far astray (167) Those who disbelieve and transgress; God is not about to forgive them, nor will He guide them to any path (168) Except to the path of Hell, where they will dwell forever. And that is easy for God (169)”
Please re-read those verses and think carefully, it’s a matter of heaven and hell.
@@SpJrD don't talk with this guy, i don't think he's even muslim in the first place
A Turkish secularist.
I am sunni, but regardless of my beliefs here, you guys asked most of your questions quite condescendingly. Many interruptions when speaker trying to make a point, very jarring. We get that you do not agree with his views, but at least allow the man to make his full point before you jump to critiques and responses. Even worse, you would speak over him dismissively while he would be quoting the Quran. I'm just saying that Its most important to get the full argument of both sides before any logical conclusions can be drawn. You were very restrictive with that safe space this time around
In Edips defence, the Quran says over and over again the the disbelievers always say to the messengers that come to them things like "shall we forfeit what we were taught from our forefathers". This sounds like 11:62
Yeah, i agree, like it's not enough that there are 8vs1 i mean, that just shows how selfconfident they are.
Your last statement has nothing in comment with Islam. Our religion is based on clear evidences from the Quran and then the Sunnah, the Quran makes it clear to follow the Sunnah, we take our understanding and deen from the very sahaba who conquered many lands and spread Islam far and wide, they brought the Quran and the Sunnah, which is absolutely nothing like the ignorant idol worshippers that did so because those before them did, without any daleel for even doing so.
@@mikk3150 youre ignoranmce shows because you are unable to listen to an opinion you disagree with even before any evidence is proposed. If you are not constantly questioning islam, you are not properly following islam.
@@salihtaysi I've heard this nonsensical hadith rejecting trash before many times over the years. I've heard Edip before, he like the rest of them just make it up as they go along.
They have no understanding of Quran, or what it says, no understanding of Hadith and how it was compiled, the preservation of the Sunnah.
Their knowledge doesn't go beyond "Bukhari was written 300 years after the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalam died" and all te other ignorant tripe.
And where did you get this "questioning Islam" nonsense from? We should contemplate and ponder over what the Quran says, we do not question it.
@@mikk3150 If you do not question your reality,. you will never learn the real truth. Reading the Quran is more than just reading the text in the book. Quran requires careful, diligent interpreting, and you can only do that by questioning what you're reading and trusting that Allah will provide the answer. The Quran is not just some regular old book. The Quran is truth. My initial comment was about bad manners. You should always treat other people like they have something to teach you. Allah teaches us through everyONE and everyTHING. Blind faith is not enough, you have to work on your faith. Good luck to you. Salamun Alaykum
We have a famous palindrome in Turkish:
Ey edip pide ye!
Ō edip eat pide (kind of long Turkish pizza)!
Fun facts aside that man is ill.
Isnt this guy the founder of their movement
he is a friend to rashad khalifa (code 19)
Now i understand why br. Hamza said this edip has gone nuts.
Which Hamza tho'? Since i recognised 2 of them that is on the Da'wah field 😅
@@teukufadel8293 Hamza Myatt 😁
As a Turkish I feel ashamed because of Edip. And it is not surprising us when we look at his background... His Family denied him for years and his brother himself on an discussion program denied him.. May Allah give him and us Hidayah...
I am sure you Turkish people have much more other matters to be ashamed for. Understand that believing in God is bigger than being in the grace of your family. Otherwise the prophet would have never accepted the Quran revelations as his family refused to do so. Shame on you that you can not even comprehend this. Satan has made you blind.
Ummayads got immensely wealthy and powerful, it is foolish to believe that the Hadith were not distorted during their time. Bukhari was born almost 250 years later, into the Abbasid dynasty, it would have been impossible for him to separate truth from fiction as even the great grand-kids of the Sahaba were now long dead.
29:34 that 'Bro'. I felt it man 🤣🤣🤣
Yes farid thank you very much☝
They believe it was man who preserved the Quran, and therefore take the Deen that they prescribed in their man narrated books. THE real believers know Allah preserves the Quran and take their a Deen through The word of Allah!
Why would you have 8 guys vs someone with an unpopular perspective? Edip starts to explain his view and guys interrupt angrily whenever he says something they don't understand instead of letting him finish. I don't agree with Edip's take on recitations but he's right about the Qur'an not needing hadiths to be understood; the Qur'an decides which hadiths are true or false, not an outdated and unscientific "authentication" process that could've been manipulated like so much of Islam after the prophet's death.
You do realize that you are siding with someone who doesn't believe the Quran was preserved right?
@@FaridResponds Thats such a non-argument smh. Being unfair is still unfair even if its against a heretic or non-Muslim. Plus, medieval "traditional" Muslim sects believed the same things.
@@ltopomcfly5583 It wasn't a scheduled or moderated debate. He came into a Sunni room. Keep defending your kaffir anyhow. He would've uttered kufr even if it was 1v1.
@@FaridResponds Getting pissy shows a weak mind. Thats fair, but comments are claiming he lost because 8 dudes over-talked and insulted him like teenage boys. And you posted it like a win smh.
@@ltopomcfly5583 No need to consider it a win. Top Quranist rejects Quranic verse. That was the main takeaway. Do with it what you will.
At least I found Edip open minded and capable of using his brain while others just closed eyes and follow the next blind ones in queue..
This entire topic is a false dichotomy. On one end you have people who reject everything outside of the Quran and want to reinterpret it, and on the other end you have people who put man made history books at the same level as the divine book, some of the extremists of the later even put the hadith above the Quran.
Both sides are in complete disagreement with each other, no one considers the middle ground.
I agree.
You are right about this
Honestly thank you so much Brother Farid and all other scholars for refuting these claims. It is really sad to see, but the Ummah is getting more and more divided.
@@mouloudbouchebaba860 I guess your heart is blind. The guy was like the Christians, running away.
@@musfiqurkashem8614 He wasn’t running away. He realized they were too immature to discuss with.
@@Lightbulb909 Haha keep trying to protect your "scholars". They know nothing and are misguided. Farid actually studied for years with teachers that go back all the way to the time of the Prophet (peace be upon him). People make claims without actually seeking the knowledge.
@@musfiqurkashem8614 Right, because seeking knowledge is regurgitating the arguments of my teachers. That’s some good knowledge.
@@Lightbulb909 Wow the arrogance. Of course you know so much better and you definitely studied so much. Thanks for your knowledge Sheikh Yousef.
So then how he explains the other part of that ayah when it says, ... Min ba'di GHALABIHIM ??
the holly spirit is guiding him and his "reasoning", how dare you questioning him!
the funny thing is that every sunnah rejecter/murtad claim that he is right because he is using his intellect, but they themselves disagree on almost everything.
Using history to explain yarmuk and believing the authenticity of the story and doubting the hadith narrations altogether. He wasnt "critical" about his views.
pity Edp, still for him to claim he's a prophet same as what Khalifa ended up with.... This is clear tiny hole these enemies are digging to open n doors for Quran corruption, at the end (these Quranites/Hadith rejecters) may will only say same as Ibliss We only calked u, u decided, don't blame us😅 Since denying the Quran reached them through the comoanions, then everyone would claim he got it from the holy spirit or Amazon as many saying already 😂😂😂 Total Chaos🤐😷 May Allah sw guide them back if sincerely looking toward 🤲✌
If the readings are all wrong and against him, wouldn’t that prove that they are right and he is wrong.
So bored of the hadith rejektors Islam is Quran and Hadith..
So bored of hadithists who follow a lot of nonsense and attribute them to Muhammad and God.
Brother farid drop the mic on edip. He came to lecture and ended up being educated.
Question: if people reject Hadith like edip can they be called Muslims?
Thanks
Answer: why not? muslim is the one who submits to the Almighty
So your rejecting the saying of our prophet (pbuh). How does that make anyone Muslim.
yes read quran 45:6
No point in wasting energy on these things just make it quick and say "The same sources that brought you the hadith brought you the Quran, how do you think you got either?" Discussion over.
So, every HADITH must be SAHIH...One error/mistake in any HADITH will mean that the same will be in QURAN.
The SAME SOURCES
This is why one should NEVER attempt to compare any WRITINGS to QURAN
@@ZeroCelsius777 Obviously I am reffering to authentic hadith wher the sources have to be authenticated via the neccessary conditions like chain of naration and multi-attested etc.. Why would you make such a ridiculous assumption that I was talking about "All" hadith when clearly anyone but a troll would know it was "All Authentic" hadith. It is like talking about water and having to mention it is wet...
@@EyeIn_The_Sky Even what the HADITHERS call AUTHENTIC Hadith is INCORRECT or totally FALSE
Explain that
E.g. STONING
Quran CLEARLY says 100 lashes for FORNICATION…Quran 24:2…
So we first understand the definition of fornication...
Fornication: Noun…Voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.
Okay, got it? The FORNICATORS can be unmarried or they can be married to someone else.
Please explain why they follow something that DISOBEYS ALLAH and what he ORDERS in QURAN and want to STONE people instead.
@@EyeIn_The_Sky Then there are the Silly SUPERSTITIONS that the HADITHERS follow...
E.g.
Anybody knows why we YAWN. We yawn when the blood needs oxygen. A yawn causes a big intake of air and a faster heartbeat, which means that it is pumping more oxygen through the body.
So a yawn is simply designed to help clear toxins out of the blood and provide a fresh supply of oxygen.
HOWEVER...ask some HADITHER and they will say...
Bukhari, volume 4, book 54, number 509 & Sahih Muslim, book 42, hadith 7130…
WHAT THE?!
If you believe that the Quran comes from or is preserved by scholars you're not believing in what the Quran says about itself. Which is fine, but then what is your religion then if it is not based on Quran?
The more I listen to hadith believers, the more I see how far they are from the Koran. You can bring historical facts, you can quote verses from the Koran that reject hadith books, you can even bring hadiths that are considered "sahih" but are contradictory in themselves, you can do whatever you want, they just don't want to understand. Now I also understand what Allah means by guiding whoever he wants. Hadithbelievers are definitly not.
22:10 wow, this Edip guy is nuts.. lol
These guys speak as if before the Quran and the Prophet , no-one recited Arabic verses. The Quran was revealed in the tongue of the Arabs and therefore how the verses were to be recited were already known to the people. The interviewers are trying to impose their false notion of the Prophet , Sahabas and imams as the only teachers of recitation and questioning him with it. There is nothing in the Quran that says 7 recitations were revealed. So questioning him over this false idea is nonsensical. The interviewers should first prove their point first
Edip's father Sadreddin Yüksel was a very famous sheikh in Turkey and he declared his son(Edip) a murtad.
Really 😬🤐😲?? Is that so 🤔🤨?? Wow than that means his father must have been better guided that he lol😆😆😆😆😆😆
Sources?
Wait, this guy says ‘read Quran however you want, as long as it does not contradict another part of the quran.’ If you take this understanding, we should ask him to prove this point to us. Like, show us an example of how a person can read something in a way they want to, then show how it CAN be contradicted by reading something else incorrectly, and then correct this same mistake by reading it in another way. That is one way he can prove his method to be true.
Second, how does this individual read the first three letters of Surah Baqarah?
Third, can they exercise their thinking with the example mentioned in my second point? If not, why not?
Fourth, how do they trust that the Quran has been preserved? This would be an issue for non muslims as they would say that a Quranic claim to preservation cannot suffice as proof that it is preserved? There has to be something external to the Quran to verify it?
Apart from using historical narratives, that are spread from people, how does one arrive at the conclusion that the Quran is preserved?
From what I understood from him he believes anyone basically makes his own Quran how he likes it and it is correct and all the reciters are wrong even though they made their own Quran according to him
Those who deny, reject hadiths, and claim -they follow,believe only in Quran -are actually don't believe the Quran also. Their aim,target is to destroy Islam. They are trained, financed by highly cunning, rich people in the west. That's why, most quranists are active in the west. This is very serious matter.
Just some Quranists -
Hany Atchan ( USA)
Sojol Rowshan ( USA - bangladesh origin)
Mohammad Saikh ( USA - Pakistani).
Mehibullah Jessori ( UK- Bangladeshi)
Edip Yuksel ( USA - Turkey).
This behind the curtain team do the works, arrange verses of the quran to make a point,make notes, change the true meaning of the verse, hide other clear verses, translate falsely etc to destroy true tafseer of the Quran to confuse muslims.
Just in this video - Edip changes the true translation, tafseer about the victory of Rome, then victory of Persian.
He just changed Quran to suit his agenda.
May Allah bless all muslims, and protect Iman.
Anyone can come up with his own Recitation, except the reciters, they're not allowed to do so!