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  • @TolarianCommunityCollege
    @TolarianCommunityCollege  Рік тому +87

    Do me a solid and check out my Top 5 new cards from Phyrexia All Will Be One for Pioneer here: ua-cam.com/video/SKPKWyJMJyA/v-deo.html . Even if you don't play Pioneer, we discuss some cool interactions and combos they may give you ideas for other formats!

    • @Dreamland_Storyteller
      @Dreamland_Storyteller Рік тому

      I've created a new format and would very much enjoy explaining the details to you Sir.

  • @brentwalker9576
    @brentwalker9576 Рік тому +879

    I feel like “the product is well designed and fun, but the price is too darned high” is Magic’s new motto.

    • @cagin5
      @cagin5 Рік тому +17

      Wizards of the Undervalued Coast

    • @jacob4920
      @jacob4920 Рік тому +6

      At least Wizards is not ruining the game of Magic in the same way that they are DEMOLISHING D&D, though.

    • @Hysube
      @Hysube Рік тому

      ​@@jacob4920idk that is fairly arguable

    • @SuperRaids13
      @SuperRaids13 Рік тому +2

      $40 is not too expensive….

    • @Hysube
      @Hysube Рік тому +10

      @@SuperRaids13 while I agree, some folks just don't have that money in this shart economy

  • @TolarianCommunityCollege
    @TolarianCommunityCollege  Рік тому +232

    To be extra clear: The Zendikar Rising Commander decks only had 3 original card designs, but by Kaldheim these $19.99 Commander decks had increased to 8 new card designs. These ONE Commander decks only have 10 original designs. This reduction from 15 began with Dominaira United.

    • @bernhardeisl7382
      @bernhardeisl7382 Рік тому +8

      loved the kaldheim commander decks...

    • @YouandWhoseArmy
      @YouandWhoseArmy Рік тому +10

      The starter decks/kaldheim decks and zendikar rising decks have been the best precons bar none.
      The "normal" commander precons have routinely been some of the worst experiences I've had playing the game as a casual player. They are overly complex and tend to really go hard on gimmicks that need upgrades to work well. They also seem to require a few playthroughs to get a grasp on. When you only play every now and then, these slog games stick out like a sore thumb. Huge turnoffs for your friends that are familiar with magic and want to play.
      The normal commander precons and their designed for commander cards have completely modified the format away from whatever EDH was and sheldon thinks it is. Anyone that thinks WOTC isn't fully in control of the format is naive beyond belief. It's really starting to resesmble all the other constructed formats I dont want to play.
      EDH and the philosophy are dead.
      Long live WOTC Commander

    • @EliyaSelhub
      @EliyaSelhub Рік тому +9

      Two of the five decks I own are based on the Kaldheim commanders Lathril and Ranar. I've bought other precons over the years, but they've all been long since stripped for parts by now. Great value, great design. Lathril is maybe a little degenerate when it gets going, but hey elves gonna ball.

    • @YouandWhoseArmy
      @YouandWhoseArmy Рік тому +6

      @@EliyaSelhub I was really blown away how fun these decks generally were. Aesi was a weird one where it was perfect for causal players, but the commander is a generically bad design for established players. I could see him being oppressive built properly but as a precon it was a great intro design. Easy to feel like you're doing something and it def built to a win. Jinra Kudro? HA!
      The few precons I've bought have also been stripped for parts and I find them to be supremely uninteresting now. The fact that they tend to constantly modify the core concepts of the format makes me really, really dislike them. I realized that I play very few designed for commander cards in my custom decks.
      I think they should build more starter decks with reprints and less precons that change the format irreversibly forever with cards that never get banned.

    • @EliyaSelhub
      @EliyaSelhub Рік тому

      @@YouandWhoseArmy power creep is inevitable in eternal formats. Tarmagoyf was a powerhouse in modern, Deadeye Navigator was the big boogeyman in EDH, now they're barely playable. They have to sell products. Sometimes they go too far but generally I've been fine with their new designs, but your mileage may vary. The good news is you can still build a powerful deck within whatever limitations you set for yourself.

  • @pigfish99
    @pigfish99 Рік тому +324

    It's a shame these are so expensive. Really solid foundations, and good, centralized play strategies as well.

    • @GaColares
      @GaColares Рік тому +5

      As long as fans keep buying, they'll keep increasing the price

    • @TheAzNheadbanger
      @TheAzNheadbanger Рік тому +4

      My LGS thankfully has these decks at 40 bucks.

    • @jacob4920
      @jacob4920 Рік тому +1

      Like the professor tells us: Just wait.

    • @SuperRaids13
      @SuperRaids13 Рік тому

      They’re not expensive, they’re priced at like $45

    • @NickDyers
      @NickDyers Рік тому

      @@SuperRaids13
      for the cards value ratio,
      it should not cost more than $25 MSRP.
      but surely WoTC need more resilient blindbootlicker slave like you to survive :)

  • @hunterthorne4671
    @hunterthorne4671 Рік тому +145

    I remember you were really upset with the value of the Gruul kamigawa commander deck so i didnt pick it up, then about 2 months later it was on sale for 20 canadian dollars which is like half price, and with the sale it was actually an amazing value and a great pickup! I will do the same for these.

    • @AngeloRosales64
      @AngeloRosales64 Рік тому +15

      Honestly that’s probably the right call. These seem like the kind of precons that will end up selling for 20 bucks.

    • @blemski
      @blemski Рік тому +5

      I did the same thing! After upgrading it an leaning more into enchantments I really like that deck a lot!

    • @dorsalfin22
      @dorsalfin22 Рік тому +2

      @@blemski I love this deck too. I went with a package of equipment and auras that can be both sides of the package as modifiers or able to be modified like Living Weapons, Reconfigure, Licids, and I am going to add in some For Mirrodin! equipment as well!

    • @alexanderforbes1452
      @alexanderforbes1452 Рік тому +1

      Where do you usually buy cards? I can't seem to find much in the way of magic cards where I live (Saskatoon), first place to check would obviously be game stores but they've only got a weirdly random selection and it's all overpriced. I would begrudgingly then go buy cards on Amazon but the shipping cost is ridiculous. I feel like Canada is grossly under-served when it comes to magic, buying stuff from wizards directly costs easy too much and I can't seem to find the cards in stores, when I do I have the same problem of inflated prices. I've bought almost no new magic cards over the past couple years because it's been so bad. Maybe BC or Ontario has larger users bases so they've got stores that can serve players better.

    • @xxBurnsss101
      @xxBurnsss101 Рік тому

      Chishiro is a God damn truck in mazzy truesword paladin decks for you enchantments guys out there

  • @mrnekomaneki01
    @mrnekomaneki01 Рік тому +31

    The way I understand how commander decks are designed is that a designer gets one as a pet passion project. So that's why they are suppose to be fun but they got to choose the cards they thought synergized well and probably given an option to develop a card to help which is where the unique cards come from.

  • @cax1175
    @cax1175 Рік тому +474

    Deadly Rollick should have been reprinted in the corrupting influence deck.

    • @TolarianCommunityCollege
      @TolarianCommunityCollege  Рік тому +168

      Yep!

    • @cax1175
      @cax1175 Рік тому +19

      @@TolarianCommunityCollege Thanks for responding Professor, hope you are well!

    • @thesteve0345
      @thesteve0345 Рік тому +44

      Why not reprint deflecting Swat as well? Tbh in every commander legends set I think those cards should be reprinted.

    • @garbagemalloy6153
      @garbagemalloy6153 Рік тому +1

      Yeah

    • @82ndmi
      @82ndmi Рік тому +1

      It really is a glaring miss

  • @dawubber6676
    @dawubber6676 Рік тому +190

    They could have given us a Skithiryx in the Corrupting Influence deck. Arguably the best banger of an Infect card at way too high of a price right now.

    • @jackhemsworth7515
      @jackhemsworth7515 Рік тому +38

      Or the famous commander sweeper, Triumph of the Hordes.

    • @DurdleDers
      @DurdleDers Рік тому +19

      @@jackhemsworth7515 Triumph would have been SUCH a good reprint and of course flavor win. Cmon Wizards...

    • @anthonydelfino6171
      @anthonydelfino6171 Рік тому +14

      I mentioned that too, alongside maybe a Puresteel Paladin to support the other since the "For Mirrodin" equipment cards tend to have really high equip costs if the token they're attached to dies.

    • @spudster8887
      @spudster8887 Рік тому

      @@anthonydelfino6171 I think the boros deck doesn't need any equipment support runs the deck too thin

    • @anthonydelfino6171
      @anthonydelfino6171 Рік тому +2

      @@spudster8887 I was trying to keep it in the realm of reality, but fine. Do an anointed procession reprint

  • @jumpsteady1777
    @jumpsteady1777 Рік тому +103

    It's why I liked the dihada precon. The legendary swamp land from old kamigawa that gives target creature fear was a sweet addition. Turned me on to an old card I didn't know about. I'd rather secret lair not be a thing and actually give commander decks awesome reprints

  • @CarterCat60
    @CarterCat60 Рік тому +19

    This video has been pretty eye opening to me, and thanks for allowing me to see the actual prices before I wasted any money!

  • @Marsiena
    @Marsiena Рік тому +93

    Prices are sky-high in my country, so I bought the singles I wanted for Corrupting Influence. Spent like $30 against the $65ish price tag in LGS for the sealed deck.

    • @Marsiena
      @Marsiena Рік тому +2

      Edit: Corrupting Influence, not Confluence lmao

    • @Austin555661
      @Austin555661 Рік тому

      Australian?

    • @Marsiena
      @Marsiena Рік тому +3

      @@Austin555661 nope, I'm from Chile. Looks like I ain't the only one dealing with this "problem" lol

  • @MangeHNW
    @MangeHNW Рік тому +6

    Hi Professor,
    I had a mental health breakdown back in 2021. I typed MTG into UA-cam after Week #2 of being in bed & found your channel! I was only looking at MTG as it was an 'easy' subject to distract myself with, and at that point pure nostalgia. Your videos got me back into the game, and also helped distract me during that horrible time. I'm currently thriving and am in the best place ever. I was playing MTG Yesterday & I thought I should at least extend my thanks.

  • @PlaneswalkerProject
    @PlaneswalkerProject Рік тому +40

    I feel we should have gotten some additional cards with the Toxic mechanic to really drive it home. The Skrelv cards would have been nice additions. Also they really could've given us more of the cards with Infect updated with the Phyrexian typing. Still a great deck!

    • @Darmanimon
      @Darmanimon Рік тому +2

      believe it or not, the vast majority of creatures with infect did get updated to the Phyrexian typing! I had to look it up on the gatherer to confirm it but as far as I found almost every single creature with infect is now also Phyrexian creature type. Definitely helped with upgrades for the Ixhel deck as it meant I could add cards like Folk Hero and Herald's Horn to it.

    • @twolf7448
      @twolf7448 Рік тому +1

      there's still another set coming for this block. so we'll see more of them i'm sure though there a lot of current ones that are really strong (blighted contaminator of course being the main fast play one, i expect the value on that particular one to go up, and then the 2 rex's though one is slightly better than the other). there's only a handful of really good ones now perhaps, though some of the commons are still solid in their own right (dune mover is an amazing common for 2 that has toxic and tutors a basic to top of library)

    • @jameelkurabi
      @jameelkurabi Рік тому

      @@twolf7448 What's the other rex in ONE? I have Tyrannax not sure about the other one.

    • @noesunyoutuber7680
      @noesunyoutuber7680 Рік тому

      @@Darmanimon Sure, but I think they might have meant reprinting those old infect cards with updated typelines that reflect their new Phyrexian typing.

  • @RipDeathriteShaman
    @RipDeathriteShaman Рік тому +7

    Just bought both of these decks yesterday as my first paper mtg purchase since Throne of Eldrain and I have to say they are really fun decks to play with fun cards I remember from when I was a kid. Honestly regardless of value you can't put a price on the joy these decks have already brought me

  • @MrEliakimRAS
    @MrEliakimRAS Рік тому +4

    Prof, thank you for this review! You seemed really excited for the gameplay of these decks and - in my opinion - that's what makes Commander precons interesting. Most new players I've seen care more about solid playability than resale value, so I always look for the former when preparing/searching for decks for them to enjoy this great game 😊

  • @hamsamich9
    @hamsamich9 Рік тому +8

    I bought and played the Corrupting Influence deck last night and I really liked it. It felt competitive right out of the box and was really fun to play. There are some small upgrades I will make but overall, it’s a pretty well thought out and synchronous deck. I really like the new corrupted mechanic also. It’s a really great addition for infect/poison decks.

  • @metalx224
    @metalx224 Рік тому

    I love how honest you are. Thanks prof! Excited for the poison one when it drops in price

  • @raymondgreen9379
    @raymondgreen9379 Рік тому +10

    Something I don't really see anyone mention when talking about the financial value of the newer commander deck cards is the fact that the cards aren't exclusive to the decks anymore since they come in set boosters and collectors booster now. The added supply drives down the price.

  • @DuxBellorum13
    @DuxBellorum13 Рік тому +22

    I feel like the poison deck suffers from the same problem that decks like the Shorikai and mutate decks suffered from. To stick to the theme they want they had to focus on cards that only fit in that narrow deck type, in this case an infect/toxic theme. If you look at infect decks and balance it would be tricky to balance the deck while trying to fit in high value reprints used in infect decks (skittles, blightsteel, and triumph of the hordes being notable ones). Most other infect cards that would be looked at are worth pennies.

    • @RBGolbat
      @RBGolbat Рік тому

      Yeah, it’s surprising this wasn’t mentioned at all. It should be pretty obvious this was why just by looking at the the theme.

    • @underscore_5450
      @underscore_5450 Рік тому +5

      Yeah, it's a great decklist just not a terribly expensive one. I bet the designers decided to bite the bullet on a lower overall value instead of trying to shoehorn in some random reprint to try and boost the price.

    • @Nephalem2002
      @Nephalem2002 Рік тому +1

      Isn’t Shorikai buildable outside of its Vehicle theme?

    • @DuxBellorum13
      @DuxBellorum13 Рік тому

      @Nephalem2002 oh yeah he totally is buildable outside of a vehicle theme (and very popular as well). However, we aren't just talking about one commander in the deck but the precon itself, which was going for a vehicle theme.

  • @joaopqm
    @joaopqm Рік тому

    I was waiting for that video to decide. Thank you so much! Love from Brazil 🇧🇷

  • @Level_1_Frog
    @Level_1_Frog Рік тому +13

    I was SHOCKED when I found myself preferring the design of the Boros equipment/tokens deck, a style I usually dislike, over the Abzan deck. I find the Abzan deck is pretty parasitic, and already very tight and narrow in it's focus, so upgrading the deck seems very streamlined and doesn't provide a whole lot of options to change the gameplan of the deck with the commanders provided.
    Otharri is definitely my favorite commander from the whole set, really cool and aggressive take on experience counters with a fantastic recursion ability to bypass the commander tax. Can be used in a token strategy (obviously) but also an aggravated assault strategy, can get massive with equipment and auras that he stronger the more creatures you control, or even as a rebel tribal leader. Really cool card on all levels.

    • @MrZer093
      @MrZer093 Рік тому +3

      Hard agree, especially when I love phyrexia. I’ll optimize the deck and all that because I mean, look at it but I do think I would likely play Neyali and Otharri for years to come

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 Рік тому +2

      SAME. I was very intent on discarding the boros to focus on the shiny poison deck, and then I looked at the deck list and thought... damn, that's and actually VERY cool whiny white token, slapping a white dominus in there would make the deck even better.
      The most surprising part of that deck was how it didn't AT ALL focus on what I thought would be the deck core, thos "For Mirrodin" equipment. There's barely any in that deck, but it's okay since these cards are rather common and cheap anyway.

    • @AlessandroAltosoleChannel
      @AlessandroAltosoleChannel Рік тому +3

      I too prefer otharri. I. The worst case scenario, dropping it alone still means you can attack, fly over stuff, get life and make a token. The other commander relies too much on other things, and for only one less mana i doubt its worth it

  • @mr.finkle4677
    @mr.finkle4677 Рік тому

    I always wait to watch your videos before my purchases if possible. Thanks.

  • @nunyabeeswax4588
    @nunyabeeswax4588 Рік тому +19

    Picked up the Boros deck last night, cant wait to get some games in this weekend
    I will say, I think part of the reason these are a much lower value than the previous commander decks, is that the price of magic cards has tanked recently. At least I've noticed all my moxfield decks have devalued quite a bit.

    • @AlexanderBC42
      @AlexanderBC42 Рік тому +2

      The cards are mehh in general, at least for the corrupting deck.

    • @billdoetsch
      @billdoetsch Рік тому +1

      Well the more things are reprinted the lower the prices will go.

  • @futureshocked
    @futureshocked Рік тому +7

    The good thing about Ixhel is that even though it's 3 color the land base is not bad at all. Fairly easy to upgrade. And it plays well out the box. I'd agree to wait on the price drop to $25 or so, but at that price snatch them up.

  • @michaelwintermantel9127
    @michaelwintermantel9127 Рік тому

    Great evaluation! I had the same feeling. Well done!

  • @richardsmith2719
    @richardsmith2719 Рік тому +4

    The support for Mardu Experience counters makes me happy. That’s a deck I’m working on, and I’m glad Proliferate isn’t as necessary anymore, with so many strong options to gain them.

  • @MHMonsie
    @MHMonsie Рік тому

    thanks alot prof i wouldnt know what to do without your valuable insight.

  • @RBGolbat
    @RBGolbat Рік тому +28

    Comparing this to when Command Zone looked at the prices, it’s bonkers that the Corrupting Influence cards has dropped so much.

    • @stratavosstuff7575
      @stratavosstuff7575 Рік тому +3

      with it's release and the reprints from it, it lowered the value of the cards in it.

    • @RBGolbat
      @RBGolbat Рік тому +5

      @@stratavosstuff7575 in that case, when is the best time to judge the value of the re-print in the deck? Or before the deck is revealed, and the price is drop, or at the release of the deck? And even then, isn’t the deck making the prices of the relevant cards drop a good thing?

    • @stratavosstuff7575
      @stratavosstuff7575 Рік тому +4

      @@RBGolbat believe me, this does get complicated when looking from An investment angle. See, before the decklist reveal, grafted exoskeleton was going for almost $10 each, now that it's reprinted in a deck that has all the basic infect pieces, it's not as high of a demand for it, especially when the deck is still in print (not to mention most of the ones who really want it, did get a copy of the deck during this prerelease time)

  • @MrZer093
    @MrZer093 Рік тому +12

    I think Rebellion Rising will keep its value the best partly because phyrexians are the new hotness but also poison isn’t an evergreen mechanic like tokens are. Neyali and Otharri are likely to only get better with age as sets introduce new ways to make tokens. Poison is unlikely to be a thing any set focuses on. Maybe there’ll be the occasional commander that does it like that dude from Kaldheim but that’s far from a focus

    • @Bstone410
      @Bstone410 Рік тому

      More proliferate synergies will always be in play

  • @ribbontoast
    @ribbontoast Рік тому

    thank you for this i have been waiting for review before i buy; gonna wait until they're on sale :3

  • @BM-rd4ms
    @BM-rd4ms Рік тому +20

    These decks are getting so synergistic that with minor tweaks you have a strong commander deck.

    • @TheUltimateRey
      @TheUltimateRey Рік тому +3

      Major tweak to all the mana bases and they’re all good lol

    • @johnmanfredo4849
      @johnmanfredo4849 Рік тому +1

      ​@TheUltimateRey actually checking the mana base for the abzan deck, you have a pretty decent mana base, a decent amount of ramp and lands.

  • @macmusial3644
    @macmusial3644 Рік тому +13

    Once again, these videos are incredibly helpful. I was super excited to get a new Abzan precon but I waited until this video to see if they were worth the $50 my LGS is asking, and I'm really glad to see I was right to not pick one up immediately for that price.

    • @TolarianCommunityCollege
      @TolarianCommunityCollege  Рік тому +4

      Your LGS is asking 50???

    • @macmusial3644
      @macmusial3644 Рік тому +1

      @@TolarianCommunityCollege For both decks yeah, I don't think they've been selling many though so I wouldn't be surprised if that changes soon.

    • @jacobausmus5969
      @jacobausmus5969 Рік тому +1

      @@TolarianCommunityCollege prof, mine is asking 60

    • @keeganbeecher5199
      @keeganbeecher5199 Рік тому +1

      @@TolarianCommunityCollege mines still $55 per deck.

    • @JohnDoe-vm1rr
      @JohnDoe-vm1rr Рік тому

      ​@@TolarianCommunityCollege 55 to 60€ in paris 😢
      Amazon still at 42...

  • @megadunsparce5735
    @megadunsparce5735 Рік тому

    Nearly 1M Professor So Happy For You!

  • @oliverbrain4790
    @oliverbrain4790 Рік тому +3

    Great! Precons should 100% not be about value and should 100% be about gameplay and accessibility. These clearly are two of the better precons in recent memory. They'll drop to 35 soon and I will 100% be picking up Corrupting

  • @Steelblood27
    @Steelblood27 Рік тому

    Great analysis! Definitely agree. Best call is wait and see the prices drop.

  • @thebestlife1341
    @thebestlife1341 Рік тому +8

    I got both of the decks from TCGplayer for 70USD. That’s $35 per deck, I feel like that is way worth it

  • @WilliamAndRose1
    @WilliamAndRose1 Рік тому +11

    What's interesting is that these decks had a lot higher value prior to announcement. The very fact that things were getting reprinted has brought down a lot of prices. Command Zone had the reprints in corrupting influence at $95 before announcement. Grafted exoskeleton is in there and was nearly $10, but it's plummeted since.

  • @CM13492
    @CM13492 Рік тому +1

    I really like the look of the rebellion rising deck, not only does it fit how i like to play but it also includes several cards i was looking to include in my myrel soldiers deck that i'm working on. but this video has definitely convinced me to wait for a sale. anointed procession would have been an awesome (though expensive) inclusion in the deck.

  • @mileskelley8662
    @mileskelley8662 Рік тому

    Long time viewer first time commenter. Just wanted to say thank you for all the work you and your staff do for the Magic community. Knowing there is a consistent place where I can get the latest and greatest in the MTG universe makes it easy for me to continue this titanic hobby we call trading card games. Thank you for all your hard work! 🙏

  • @scottnito2640
    @scottnito2640 Рік тому +1

    I want the corruption deck for sure. My buddy surprised us last night playing that in our pod and did well.

  • @soulsythings3503
    @soulsythings3503 Рік тому

    I really appreciate all the detail you go in about the decks. I agree it's a but much for value. I did however order the Poison one for around 40. Maybe Wizards will one day see the light of Prof wisdom.

  • @HighlanderBrasileiroMTG
    @HighlanderBrasileiroMTG Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the good video brother cheers from Brazil ☺

  • @vashino4829
    @vashino4829 Рік тому

    Well.. i was going to get both, ill wait a few months and see of the price goes down... thanks for the all you do for us.

  • @Gnusseable
    @Gnusseable Рік тому +3

    I fortunately found them cheaper than this in my home country, and I must say, I think they are probably some of the most fun precons out there. Played two matches these last two days and the first was won by Corruption Influence and the other was won by Rebellion Rising. One last match will determine which one is best, I guess, but my conclusion is that they are incredibly fun and probably some of the best precons I have tried. I feel the exact same way you do, Prof: It feels bad to say that they aren't worth their price in value, seeing as they are incredibly fun to play.

  • @JonathanFisher1337
    @JonathanFisher1337 Рік тому

    happy to hear that we agree on this one. For the first time in 2 years, I did not buy the precons.

  • @BREAKERisDEAD
    @BREAKERisDEAD Рік тому

    The host is very good at speaking. I appreciate the way he delivers the info

  • @elliotapplesmith9492
    @elliotapplesmith9492 Рік тому +4

    Another prof video to start my friday? Yes please! This one really got me thinking about how the prices/grades of these decks change with the following set release. I end up waiting to buy the singles since they often are much more affordable in my budget. Would be a fun idea to see a video that discusses specific commander decks prices and grades in present day compared to the release day too. Keep up the great work and critical evaluations!

  • @nicolasrodriguezbadala1024
    @nicolasrodriguezbadala1024 Рік тому +5

    I would´ve maybe added a reprint of contagion engine for the poison deck, since it has contagion clasp and it would maybe serve as an incentive for players to build something like a hapatra deck using some of these cards.

  • @Shadow298
    @Shadow298 Рік тому +1

    The average price for a new commander deck in Australia is generally $70AUD each, with some stores selling them in bundles with a discount ($100 for a pair, higher price for a 4-5 deck set depending), so it's seldom worth it but generally stores here don't discount stuff unless it's had terrible sales.

  • @IronGriffon05
    @IronGriffon05 Рік тому

    Fair evaluation. Good video

  • @ethalls
    @ethalls Рік тому

    New to magic and played the Ixhel deck against very experienced players at my LGS. Haven’t upgraded it at all yet and felt like it could compete. A lot of fun

  • @ViciousVic595
    @ViciousVic595 Рік тому +5

    I am definitely going to wait. I am about to buy the Painbow deck from DU to essentially turn it into a Jodah, The Unifier deck cuz it’s now selling for $36 and that way I can get all the basics for the mana base and a few legendary creatures to help. I am already planning to pack the deck full of some of my favorite legendary creatures that my play group hates to see!

    • @refard5
      @refard5 Рік тому

      I recommend getting better lands as soon as you can, it's really slow

    • @djrmarketing598
      @djrmarketing598 Рік тому

      I did the Painbow to Jodah switch along with doing Jegantha Companion. It's a lot different now, though. The mana base is absolutely painful (aka. Painbow) so definitely throw in some lands that come in untapped and get rid of the tapped fetchables. Other than that, it's one of my strongest decks. The cascade plus anthem is just so good, I'm swinging for 10/10 without even trying most of the time.

    • @wademiller2376
      @wademiller2376 Рік тому

      Blech... Jodah... 😑

  • @raydelmartinez2905
    @raydelmartinez2905 Рік тому +5

    Played against Corrupted Influence and it is quite good out of the box.

  • @jpVari
    @jpVari Рік тому

    I've been looking at this pre-made decks because I'm trying to find a way to get fun with mtg outside of arena... Not sure I can find a way to be happy with pre-made tho. Thanks for these videos of course, they're very helpful. If I go pre-made I just gotta find a commander I like enough to start small and maybe build with over time.
    Thanks professor

  • @Psycomega1
    @Psycomega1 Рік тому +1

    I'll admit that I'm still really new to MTG, but having started with a borrowed deck, moving to Mishra's Burnished Banner, and having bought Corrupting Influence, I'm really looking forward to the idea of building a better deck with them as bases. I've had fun, and that's all I really care about.

  • @bububu__
    @bububu__ Рік тому

    great vid as usual

  • @Timby_
    @Timby_ Рік тому +6

    God I really hope next set has 5 monocolor commander decks each helmed by a praetor, it’s been so long since monocolor got precon love.
    (Maybe then the mana bases will be decent out of the box)

  • @Ghaz013
    @Ghaz013 Рік тому

    Picking up singles for Commander precons with the unique cards has been my go to for a while.

  • @pheenikz13
    @pheenikz13 Рік тому

    The red-white one is already selling for 29.99 EUR (approx. 32 USD) in Germany, which is a far more reasonable price I think. Love rebels since Prophecy anyway. Thanks for the great video, Professor! 👍

  • @DiabloMatrix968
    @DiabloMatrix968 Рік тому

    Good video as usual prof, personally I wont be buying these until there is a big price drop, it definitely would have been cool if deadly rollick or skithyrix the blight dragon would have been included in the corrupting influence deck

  • @arytaus
    @arytaus Рік тому +3

    Did you open the collector sample packs that were included? Pretty good chance for recoup in price with the Oil foils.

    • @TonyMariani
      @TonyMariani Рік тому

      Yeah he didn't mention it at all which skews his whole argument

  • @Sky-dy4vn
    @Sky-dy4vn Рік тому

    What's really nice is on prerelease at my store it's posible to trade all your pulls (even relatively low value ones) for whatever the new precon is

  • @Mil89GR
    @Mil89GR Рік тому +10

    Once again, thank you professor for the review. Both decks look very interesting to play. As for why "Phyrexian influence" has low value , I can take some guesses : the first and foremost is that most good infect and toxic cards are costing over 5£ and 15£ and some others are too good for what they do and they are a bit expensive themselves ( I am looking at you Skiithrix). My other guess is that infect-toxic-poison counters is not something that lot of people want to fight against, and this is why Wizards made the deck "weaker" and undervalued on purpose. Plus, the deck also is missing the blue mana colour and some great proliferate cards (both old and new) are in the blue colour.

    • @underscore_5450
      @underscore_5450 Рік тому +3

      I thinks it's sad that Ixhel and Vishgraz probably lost their blue because Wotc doesn't wanna make more 4 color commanders. But them and lots of cards from their deck slot in perfectly in my Atraxa deck so I'll probably get it anyways to support my LGS over ordering the singles from Card Kingdom.

    • @billdoetsch
      @billdoetsch Рік тому

      Well, it's probably paying the Phyrexian tax. It's popular so they don't have to make it as enticing otherwise.

  • @KavolsTam
    @KavolsTam Рік тому +1

    The quality of these vids has been really improving since Bobbie-Christine started writing them!

  • @viktorkieferforwardmentality

    unfortunately i can´t take part in your giveaway on whatnot because im from germany :/
    good luck to everybody else and thanks professor for all the effort and love you put in the content you produce regarding our everybodies favorite game!

  • @AlexandraUnlocked
    @AlexandraUnlocked Рік тому +2

    I got my Ixhel deck for $55 CAD (before trade-ins), about $41 USD. Perfectly reasonable for me. I don't care too much about the financial value of a deck, thankfully. I wanted a unique and interesting deck, particularly with a Phyrexian theme, and I got that with Corrupting Influence!
    I also got the borderless Vraska, Betrayal's Sting in my collector sample pack, which is at $30 USD on tcgplayer right now so I lucked into some huge value and a card that is perfect for the deck itself! (I also got a showcase foil Necrogen Rotpriest which isn't worth much, but still synergizes with the deck.)
    Overall, I'm extremely happy with my purchase.

  • @chakradarrat8832
    @chakradarrat8832 Рік тому

    nice pull with the glissa alternate art

  • @AyeThatsHandsomePete
    @AyeThatsHandsomePete Рік тому

    I know next to nothing about magic, but I’ve been watching this channel all day.

  • @paulreckless
    @paulreckless Рік тому

    Well i allready did.
    but i still watch this cause i love your content. Love you prof

  • @MR-hk2qu
    @MR-hk2qu Рік тому +1

    I got Corrupting influence for 35,-€ and am currently coming from a meet up.
    I played it 5 times, won twice and got close to wining twice (on the fith game they knocked me out first).
    It was very tense since everyone had to balance my poison and the thread of the other better decks.
    Even with, sometimes, little mana the Deck played suprisingly well.
    My personal MVP is Norn's Decree, if you can drop it early on, most players will avoid attacking you to not get hit by other players for the card draw.
    And as long as a player doesn't have a Poison counter, they can safely ignore it, so it can stay on the field for several turns.

  • @RadishDoctor
    @RadishDoctor Рік тому +1

    hoo boy I look forward to buying these for like $15-20 in about 2-3 months

  • @timoschenk2025
    @timoschenk2025 Рік тому

    Just waited for this video

  • @tobiaszengerling8175
    @tobiaszengerling8175 Рік тому

    At my LGS the boros one is already at 20 bucks including VAT xD
    I might need to buy it after this mostly positive review

  • @wademiller2376
    @wademiller2376 Рік тому +7

    The Warhammer commander decks are on their 3rd printing now I believe. People wanted them and they kept printing them 👍

    • @HEYabbot
      @HEYabbot Рік тому

      Yea they announced they are reprinting them.

    • @OneFoxTwoFox
      @OneFoxTwoFox Рік тому

      Walked into my LGS and boom, Warhammer Commander decks. Was amazed to see them restocked.

  • @hunterthorne4671
    @hunterthorne4671 Рік тому +9

    Normally when theres chase cards in a precon, i always pick it up, because i love having a collection of cards that all go together, and i love opening the decks! and normally with clever concealment and flawless maneuver, i would have picked up rebellion rising for the same reason...
    but other than those 2 chase cards, theres nothing else in the deck with any value at all, its actually cheaper just to buy the non bulk cards than it is to get the decks themselves

  • @bashlindsay7618
    @bashlindsay7618 Рік тому

    I already bought the infect precon yesterday at Mox Boarding House. Its awesome.

  • @777CrimsonChaos
    @777CrimsonChaos Рік тому +3

    The release price of these recent precons has really made it difficult to justify picking them up lately. Which is a shame since the Ixhel deck looks fun, and even the Brothers War precons as well (which I still haven’t picked up either yet)

  • @monkeyturds789
    @monkeyturds789 5 місяців тому

    Being brand new to the game, (played other tcgs) I went to my LGS and they were having a commander night. I told the guy "Hey I'm brand new, I'll trust you to make a good choice" He asked, "Do you want like to control or be more aggressive?" I replied "Aggressive"
    He chose Rebellion Rising.
    Playing my first few games, I had so much fun cooking up a token swarm and beat down. And I'm already thinking of cards to tweak and improve.
    Bought it at $50 but you know, support local business. I had an absolute blast highly recommend it.

  • @cdunnemt
    @cdunnemt Рік тому +4

    Idk i bought the corrupting precon at my lgs for $40 and its the first precon i bought since 2014. Its alot of fun to play so the value in a fun precon is there for me, at $40 or lower. Sometimes its less about the card value and more about the fun value

    • @underscore_5450
      @underscore_5450 Рік тому

      Yeah. I know the value is important to some players but it's not like I'm buying decks to sell piece by piece on the secondary market. I'm buying them to play them and add the cards to my collection. Ignoring lands, more than half the cards in the Ixhel deck are on my buy list for my Atraxa deck so I'm probably just gonna bite the bullet and call it a donation to my LGS. I feel better giving money to a smaller LGS over buying singles from Card Kingdom or something anyways but that's just me.

    • @WeaponXYZ
      @WeaponXYZ Рік тому

      The issue in value is more that for 45$ the power of these precons are lacking compared to others in the price range. Once these decks hit around 30$ then they would be a good buy.

  • @kaichou902
    @kaichou902 Рік тому

    A video about what's the best preconstructed deck(s) in 2022, with updated prices for them, could be interesting

  • @Hikorzik
    @Hikorzik Рік тому

    Now that you mention it that's true : the mirrodin resistance deck is marked down at my lgs, while the phyrexian one is marked up to 60€ ! I guess it's a popularity thing

  • @gavrilutavlad3859
    @gavrilutavlad3859 Рік тому +1

    I agree with the Professor. And i wish i could follow his advice not to buy now, but in my country they are rare and prices will never go down. Even stryxhaven at our local club is still full price. That being said, for me its the fun of these precons which matters. I am not a sweaty andy anymore, but care for fun only. Hence i play only with a limited group of people avoiding the rest. They are good for this. But yeah, last time i buy precons, plus the necrons if i can find them. The money will go for more...solid decks, even if limit is 100 euro/deck. But yeah, i look at fun. Can't put a price on that

  • @XMetalChefX
    @XMetalChefX 7 місяців тому

    I mean, I just got back into it. Rebellion Rising and Draconic Destruction have been great platforms, the latter I have since customized. These got me back in the game and have me back into the playing again. I think thats whats great about these. I can see how it gets frustrating tho when you see these decks and the cash grab for people who dont know better. AMAZING Video as always.

  • @Kukyodragonfly
    @Kukyodragonfly Рік тому

    Here in my country, Corrupting Influence sold out even before the launch, but the Rebel deck is still available. I thought after seeing the previews that CI was a little inderwhelming, and the Rebellion deck was a lot more fun to play with, but still not good enough. Glad I was right in my first assestment of these decks, but I might wait to see what MotM brings for the precons, since there's 5 coming according to Amazon

  • @Seanbault1983
    @Seanbault1983 Рік тому

    Picked corrupting influence up at my LGS for $40 I’m pretty happy with it

  • @revenantproxy9100
    @revenantproxy9100 Рік тому

    I sure hope so!

  • @daniel-lh6uz
    @daniel-lh6uz Рік тому

    My local card shop had them at 33 and 38 respectively. And if your saying the only issue is the $45 price tag, I think it was definitely worth it at the amount I paid. Thanks professor

  • @piplupz1586
    @piplupz1586 Рік тому

    I got tolarian yugioh cards now thanks to what not, a true collector item

  • @stratavosstuff7575
    @stratavosstuff7575 Рік тому +1

    I got the corrupting influence one because it had a lot of poison stuff, altogether during prerelease weekend, and I was planning on upgrading it into a poison bugs thing with vishgraz, the alternate commander.
    While the pricing is "cheap" the availability of the cards inside wasn't really... because of a lot of them being over 10 years old, like the infect creatures.
    The upfront cost is bad though.

  • @itsmogar3724
    @itsmogar3724 Рік тому

    I was able to get the Boros one for $38. I’m excited to play it.

  • @benjaminlehman3221
    @benjaminlehman3221 Рік тому +1

    I actually like the thicker commander cards and would love a way for them to reprint all legends that have appeared in the annual commander deck release. (Set codes c11,c12,….) specifically I want the OG Edgar Markov

  • @griffinryan475
    @griffinryan475 Рік тому

    I think these will be worth it specifically for me. I pulled two mondraks at a pre-release and built a token generator deck on moxfield around mondrak. a good number of singles I would have to order and they are already in the poison precon. May pick it up despite the price just to have fun with and expedite building my mondrak as opposed to waiting for cardkingdom to ship out to me.

  • @thebarbecube317
    @thebarbecube317 8 місяців тому +1

    Watching this on Nov 27 and rebellion rising is $16. Most importantly though, it looks fun to me so I’m buying it!

  • @00naruhina
    @00naruhina Рік тому +1

    I've been playing Ohtharri and she is ridiculously fun to pilot.

    • @ProphecyPhrase
      @ProphecyPhrase Рік тому

      She is super fun to pilot. Throw in some anthems and she will clean up tables.

  • @Enja_Near
    @Enja_Near Рік тому

    I managed to pick up both for $100 CDN, slightly under MSRP.
    And opened up a borderless Ixhel in the rebellion sample pack, which was nice.

  • @ecl4396
    @ecl4396 Рік тому

    "38 lands might seem high" is 100% a commander player quote
    meanwhile i play 40 lands and wonder if i need more every time i mulligan

  • @High5748
    @High5748 Рік тому +3

    Speaking pure flavor designing new art for each card that would match the set would go along way. Or at the very least add in either the panorama or Phyrexian lands instead of the draft lands. Anyway I'm putting the poison counter one on my Christmas watchlist. There is a good chance it'll be less than $20.00 lol.

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 Рік тому +1

      Funnily enough, since the "draft lands" are now out of both draft and set boosters (which have the panorama and metal lands now), they are actually the rarer version of the basic lands on that set (ignoring the oil slick ofc).
      IIRC you can only get these lands from the commanders and the One bundle now.

    • @High5748
      @High5748 Рік тому

      ​@@Pers0n97 Wow I didn't know they took them out of the draft boxes. I figured they were mainly meant for pre-release considering the three different versions of basic lands. That is funny to think about though.

    • @Pers0n97
      @Pers0n97 Рік тому +1

      @@High5748 Yeah, it's a very strange move to be honest, especially when it could have turned these Panorama & Metal lands into new "cool and somewhat expensive" baselands for people to pimp their decks with into... the basic lands of that set.

  • @TheJOVVA
    @TheJOVVA Рік тому

    Thnx!

  • @omegablast2002
    @omegablast2002 Рік тому +1

    Wow i cant remember the last time a commander deck got less than A from you!

  • @koboldprime2257
    @koboldprime2257 Рік тому

    Now I want a game of this with Olivia driving the poison machine. Lilliana plague go brrrŕrrrrt