Even if it wasn't a professional event, you would still not want to see someone being taken out of the lead deliberately. If it's frowned upon in online races, then it's undoubtedly frowned upon in more professional events.
I think the boss of iRacing came out and said that they would have penalized these two if it was an open public lobby but it was a private event so nobody outside IndyCar can do anything about it.
@@ayadismat3830 yeah with so many lagging people, aggressive idiots who cut corners or t bone you in the hairpin, or simply doesnt wanna lose by giving u no room in the corner
The "why' is easy right? Norris was completely embarrassing the Indycar drivers for the second time by winning the first race and being on course to win the second race as a NON-Indycar driver.
I don't get why some people diss the shit out of F1 or NASCAR drivers who try to do the Indy 500 I've been going there ever since 2013 and love the history TBH it's always cool to see a new experienced driver take on the Indy 500. Most people are attracted to McLaren's dabble into Indy every once in a while.
BLM Are Terrorists do you even know who lance stroll is like you can’t call lando a rich kid daddy joke if you don’t even acknowledge the person who’s dad bought a team so that he could get a better car
@BLM Are Terrorists Even if he was a rich daddy joke, which he isn't, he's still 100x more talented than you and driving for a legendary Motorsport team. You're on the internet chatting shit. Massive difference between you two.
RIP. Completely idiotic especially when Lando did nothing much wrong. It's why the FIA have stewards and don't tell the drivers to impose penalties on each other.
Let's add "If you go for a gap that doesn't yet exist, you are a NASCAR driver". Since NASCAR you can get away with creating a gap by pushing them out of the way
-The first responders who were in full dress uniform singing the national anthem took it seriously. -The sponsors who poured money into the event took it seriously. -NBC and SkySports took it seriously, enough for them to broadcast it on TV. -The drivers who spent thousands of dollars buildings rigs to be competitive, and practicing for hours took it seriously. Some, including Pagenaud, were even wearing full racing suit and gloves. -And the viewers who tuned in took it seriously, otherwise they wouldn't have have tuned in. Whether we like it or not, sim racing is the new grass roots of motorsport. It's the first point of contact with the sport for not only the next generation of fans, but even for future drivers. This was a great opportunity to showcase the sport to a new generation of young viewers, and instead of seeing an entertaining race all they say was a couple of clowns behaving like children.
Now if only they would actually punish Simon and Ferrucci. I'm hoping there is enough backlash that maybe the sponsors second guess their support to some of these drivers that act like that.
First reponders didn't take iRacing seriously. They take our national anthem seriously. Sponsors didn't pay money to put this on. They paid money to the teams for advertising space on their car during the season. NBC and Sky didn't put this on TV because this was serious racing. They put this on TV because advertisers paid them advertising dollars already to show their ad on TV, and instead of refunding them or giving them a credit, they'll spend the money and fulfill their contractual obligations to their advertisers. You don't know how marketing and the media work.
Scott McLaughlin who ran a special livery to celebrate pirteks 40th anniversary and pirtek themselves took it seriously (and was laughing as the seas departed to take the win).
@@KBowWow75 If the first responders didn't take the event seriously, why did they bother participating? Who would sign a national anthem if "iT iS jUsT a gAmE"? They did, in fact, take it seriously
Very well said. The "it's only a game" argument really annoys me too. It's only a game when you play with your mates messing around. When you're competing in a properly organised event against other competitive people and being viewed by probably 100's of thousands on the internet and TV, it is no longer just a game. The fact it was done in a virtual environment instead of real life is completely irrelevant because it still has loads of people watching it wanting to see competitive action and a worthy winner but it was completely ruined by 2 selfish idiots. It is real shame because Indycar's production of the series was really good but it's now ended being a farce.
Well said. The people saying "it's only a game" seem to want to have it both ways. If it's "only a game" then what was Pagenaud upset about to begin with? The entire reason he was mad was that he was well aware of how many eyes were on that race and his ego was bruised. Plus even those of us who really do play sim racing as "only a game" expect some level of sportsmanship from the other people playing. No one likes the assholes who intentionally ruin someone else's race.
On the other hand, Albon and Leclerc gave us some exciting show of how it can be done! And laughing together after the race in an interview giving each other props for the amazing fight. In the driving aspect iRacing should be more realistic than F1 2019. But those 2 guys still show it doesn't matter where you do the racing. It's the attitude you bring to your driving!
You're going to get people in video games who take it seriously and don't take it seriously. You can't blame the guys who don't take it seriously any more than you can blame the guys who take it seriously. It's not a game, but yet want to defend driver's moves as saying "It's not real life, it's iRacing." They were all taking it seriously until Lando didn't take it seriously enough and then went 3 wide on a 1-2 groove track. At that point, it went out the window and back to being a game.
"It's only a game" Tell that to Darrell Wallace Jr., who lost a sponsor because he rage-quit, and Kyle Larson, who was fired by his team because he said a racial slur out-loud in the in-sim voice chat.
Or “That was embarrassing losing out on strategy and a racing incident, then realising the crash on purpose looked that way too.” The convo was good with Lando after. Everyone knew Lando was rapid from COTA, in a full race distance he might have lapped them in their own cars. He has a good feel for the Indycars on iRacing. Cant be easy to see that as the genuine drivers against a guest. They will get over it right?
I am a nyc high school science teacher who loves Indy and went to the 500 in 1988. It doesn't matter why Simon did it IT WAS WRONG. Analogous to a bully .Lando is a young(20 y.o.) F1 driver (finished year 1 with McLaren) who WAS INVITED to race with Indy Drivers and promptly won race 1 at COTA. Why was Lando invited (which no one has brought up . .)? Indy irace TV rating were horrible: Nascar 900,000 viewers, Indy (COTA) 100,000. Lando was then invited back to next race at Indy 500 track, and he practiced FOR DAYS (not just hours) with advisors .His 3 F1 friends (George-Alex-Charles all in their 20's also) were all having fun iracing (lawn mowers, trucks across Europe) but Lando was practicing for Indy. THAT'S WHY THIS WAS WRONG. Think of a 35+ y.o. destroying a "project" a 20 y.o. had worked on for days. Finally, Simon's boss, Roger Penske (an amazing guy: hero to all of us) doesn't tolerate behavior like this, virtual or not. This is simply right/wrong, professional/not.
Laura I am sure Simon will get a stern look from Roger but the Captain knows his drivers and knows the difference between real life and sims. Still not sportsmanlike but in sims this is possible. Lando practiced for days but he made a move that caused the wreck of Pagenaud. The IndyCar drivers were driving this like a real Indy 500 taking the real racing lines. Lando drove it like a gamer and stuck his nose in a place he should not have. He could have held back and passed through the slip stream on the back stretch but he was impatient.
Le Pone LOL OK. So the reigning Indy 500 champ and 2nd place finisher for Penske will lose Menards and possibly his ride? Due to a rage induced accident in a video game? Holy cow man, think about that. I am sure Roger will have some words with Simon but come on.
Le Pone I’m sorry to hear about your mother, I truly am, and I was not mocking you but the idea that Penske and the sponsors would do anything because of this. There is not one story about this on Google that is not centered around F1 news. The Larson situation is on a different plane of idiocy and cannot be compared to Pagenaud
My only problem with all the arguments I've seen is the reasoning "It's because he's not an IndyCar driver." The man who won 2 race and the entire championship wasn't an IndyCar driver. Also lets give Ericsson a little love for making 2 three-wide passes (including one on the grass)
He must feel good, wrecking a non Indy car driver out so another non Indy car driver could win. Also dumb on Santino for doing that. If you're going to wreck someone don't make it obvious.
Yup they only did it cuz 1, they didn’t want an F1 driver to win the Indy and 2, BECAUSE ITS A GAME. Like Jesé these old ass men are pretty messed up for that
IndyCar's trying to provide some show to its fans as we can't go outside to see races. Virtual or not, drivers have to drive show some respect for the show.
R0B3RT Ngl cheif, don't beleive that "virtual or not" is a good reason. Because you can't put a life at risk virtually. Yes, you can't make it as authentic and realistic via the sponsors and tv networks and add a prise pool. If there was a prise for winning the race (correct me if I'm wrong) I would understand and accept that Pagenaud ruined Lando's chances which is poor sportsmanship but no one lost anything!
@@zaveexixterteen3841 Wait, what? You think that someone can't show poor sportsmanship unless there's prize money? I think you need to go learn what the word sportsmanship means.
They lost respect. Thats what they lost. Do you know how much limelight indycar got because of different drivers competing with them. But now i think theyve shot themselves in the foot and left a bad taste. I think opinions of indycar will be worse than before because of the drivers attitude and mentality. They even do the national anthems before dont they. Yes nothing was on the line. But when sponsors are involved money's always involved somewhere. Sponsors may not want to do this again. Even for iracing. You need a subscription for it........ Pagenaud has fucked up. And the other childish driver who did it for the fans"""
there's a rule in Iracing that people tend to forget. it's "wait the replay before complaining and launching a potentiel drama situation". all grown up simracers know it now. it just helps to get over many things. nerves included.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance Dunno. This is Lando's reaction to watching Pagenaud's stream clip: ua-cam.com/video/2Vt_DKjhjyw/v-deo.html&feature=emb_logo
Whenever i hear “its only a game” ...thats always been just loser talk trying to make yourself feel better for losing ... the platform may be digital now but the lack of sportsmanship is nothing new
But like it IS just a game. This isn’t real life racing, like it ducks that it happened but like these are pixels on a screen and with just the slightest bit of lag and this was bound to happen
Isaac Bancroft dude, it’s literally a fucking video game. There’s no comeback to that. At the end of the day, it’s a cheap game that you play for FUN. It’s not real life it is just a GAME
@@funny-bv6lo dude chill, he is just making fun of Ninja, a fortnite streamer who said that. And it isn't because you don't care about a "silly game" that this applies to everyone out there.
@@funny-bv6lo if you play iRacing on TV for fans, its not the same if you play NFS at home. This is a Simulation and they choose iRacing, because they wanted good racing for the fans. These moves are not good racing, its legit to complain about it.
@@funny-bv6lo well, i guess i'm gonna cheat on several competitive online games because IT'S JUST A GAME, thank you *can't wait for getting banned lmao
I actually liked Pagenaud until he did that. I've totally lost all respect for him now though. Definitely won't be barracking for him anytime in the future.
Lando literally did nothing wrong in the earlier incident. He has the inside, he's further ahead & with clear space. Pagenaud on the other hand deliberately schemed to take Lando out . Game or not, they spent days practising, real world sponsorship & tv broadcasting. Immature.
''Game or not, they spent days practising, real world sponsorship & tv broadcasting. Immature.'' This is it., Lando spent his whole week practicing this game, also people want to see something close to real racing and not this bullshit mentality ''if i can't win then i'll take u out''.
I'm a Lando fan, but if the Indy rule is 3 wide in a turn isn't allowed and the last one to make it 3 wide needs to back out, lando didn't back out. This in turn didn't give the other cars enough space for grip and maneuvering in the corner, and Pagenaud got hit because the car next to him turned in, saw lando where he shouldn't be, overcorrected and hit him. Yes, Lando didn't hit anyone, but what he did do was an F1 move on an Indy track. Diving for a gap in a corner is 100% a-ok in F1, but Indy has rules about 3 wide unfortunately. This should make Pagenaud angry, but it shouldn't result in retaliation. Lando needs to respect the rules of Indy and Pagenaud (and a few other Indy drivers) need to respect iracing as a legit temporary replacement for real racing, ie....unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.
@@dylandog1289 Iracing is not a legit replacement no prize money not even full races, the even need to turn on wuick repairs because the damage model is broken, also there is no 3 wide rule but if yyou go for such a move wich rsults in a crash you are at fault and if it would happen irl with contact its dangerous, also why make such a silly thing it such a big thing? many pro drivers got taken out in such races but if its lando everyone is freaking out? imagine grosjean was leading and he got taken out nobody would have cared
Exactly, this kind of behavior is widespread on iRacing. You can put in all the time and effort to execute a P1 worthy race or even just a race that will bump your rating, and have it thrown away due to someone’s ego feeling threatened.
McFly2015AD it’s like forza but atoeast you expect it with forza and the psychics engine is made in mind with that so you aren’t sent flipping for 5 miles but instead go for a 5 meter roll
You can see Leclerc or Norris joking around in their twitch streams but this is broadcasted on national tv and sponsors want to be associated with it, this behaviour is just childish (hasnt this guy won several championships?) and I think it has permanently destroyed the perception of iracing in terms of sponsors and "normal" racing fans
I like the "normalness" of the new F1-drivers. It is far better to yoke around such an incident than to get into a fist-fight or something like in the NHL or Max vs Occon
people saying "it's just a game" probably never commited to something in their life. drivers acting like "it's a game" probably forgot that others are commited to it. anyway it's just a matter of respect and commitment. we try to bring something to people to view but assholes are assholes... they are everywhere. that's why there are rules. even more when it's broadcasted on TV channels. people need to understand that because of the virus, we try to recreate something lacking. RACING. so please take it as it should, that means a replacement of reality. therefore, people should act like IRL. just for the sake of respect to the sport. WE WANT TRUE RACERS RACING EACH OTHERS.
What's even more stupid is if we're following Indycar ettiquette here, you can clearly see at 0:43 that Pagenaud is the last car into that turn therefore he should've dropped back. Norris did nothing wrong, absolute clowns.
Indycar racing ettiquette must be better than iRacing's then, having been in the same situation as Pagenaud the attitude was the same as on road courses; if you place yourself on the outside it's risky. I think maybe Lando did lag into Rahal, being on a different continent and he's been having connection issues, but then that is why you watch replays and discuss it after the race.
@@slahudeenhussain5297 Because he would kill himself and others in the process, of course he wouldn't. It's still not a nice thing to do, they didn't race in an arcade battle with friends to just goof around. Incredibly unsportsmanlike.
You forgot that the reason is that they 'didn't want a non Indy car driver to win'. Honestly, that's just Pagenaud being absolutely stupid and I feel for lando.
I hate how Indycar drivers are defending Simon. Just because some guest shows up and wins a video game that Lando has been playing since he was a fetus.
McLaren is the enemy to Indycar. They did wrong to James Hinchcliff and Marcus Ericsson, but only the Indycar loyalist Hinch, who the loyal Indycar fans, drivers, and sponsors adore, got the shaft. McLaren came in and showed their true colors. Indycar drivers are loyal to their fellow competitors. Something F1 does not have.
@@KBowWow75 Yea, not really. Saying that F1 drivers don't really care about each other is wrong. They're still humans. F1 drivers respect each other. But because F1 is the pinnacle of Motorsport (which indycar isn't) that's why the drivers have a bigger ego.
Honestly this was a shit race esp because this was official. The Race Legends Trophy was a better one with Alonso and Button battling it out until the last lap. Superb driving by two excellent drivers.
@@wejhvabewjty Yeah, of course, but they could at least ban him from any further e-Sports events, his sponsors will tell him how they think about that.
@@coses4957 Real drivers get a pass for most of this stuff, It is what it is. A couple of weeks ago Lando did donunts in the middle of the track in an official Indy Fixed race at Homestead to force a caution and nearly wrecked half the field in the process. Yes, that race was not on TV, but it is still having disregard for the amount of practice the other competitors might have put in. Will he get banned for that? No.
Well in the case of an insult like Larson (even if there is some controverse but any way), I understand. But in a case like Bubba Wallace or Pagenaud, no. And if yes, what about Senna Prost and Mansell putting other driver off in real races with dangerous moves ?
Real IndyCar is just a game... ''tHe fIrSt tO fInIsH lInE wInS 11!!1!'' ... it does not matter where the competition is held, competition is real and thats why it has to be taken with at least a minimum of seriousness.
Yes, it's a game, but that doesn't mean you need to be a coward. It's like deliberately TNT'ing a minecraft house someone earnestly build. It's all about manners.
ehhh . . . .there is a big difrence between crash a virtual race car into a virtual race card and crashing a real race car into another real race car who are bout going what 300 kilometers ? as if you never crashed some cars on f1 games in monaco for fun just because its fun for a bit
@@lorenzoabanes6351 anyone who believes indy 500 is more challenging than f1 is off their meds. There's not a shred of evidence to back that up. what a joke
@@kg0173 Be real, all sport is a game. Whether you're kicking a ball, hitting it with a bat or driving in circles, they are all games. A lot of people care about games, when they see it played competitively, which is why sponsors see it as a good opportunity for an advert and that is what racing drivers get paid for.
If it was up to me, pagenaud wouldn't be asked for any big online race anymore. We don't need people like that, I hope he loses sponsors because of this immature act...
He really ought to be banned from iRacing. But they've taken the (non)position that since it was a private session they don't have any ability to act upon it.
I get it's a game. But countless hours of practice going into this. I'm surprised lando held it together so well. He spent weeks practicing only for this to happen
@@kristof1230 your right. I agree. I am a die hard sim racer on iracing. What I mean is I feel the frustration of spending hours practicing for a race only to be taken out. I normally erupt in anger so I feel lando is very well controllef
@@scottbarbour9745 You keep repeating that. No amount of saying that is ever going to make you right. In iracing 3 cars very much can be side by side and there is no actual rule against it in Indy. You've never played iracing, or any sim obviously. Why are you so adamantly clinging to an opinion on something you know nothin about?
I very much appreciate you referencing the "last one in, first one out" etiquette. I'm not excusing Pagenaud in the slightest, but it both explains why Pagenaud was so upset with specifically Norris, and it also is a great, risk free introduction for F1 fans to the racecraft differences who might be watching an Indy oval race for the first time.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I've been kicked out of F1 2019 lobbies for less. Either way, Simon was at fault there, no way around it, no denying it.
It's a fucking video game. Whatever happens in a video game should never escalate in real life. What's next? You gonna shoot a kid for watching a PG-13 movie?
Grindcore rager does that mean Kyle larson should not be punished for the racist slur as its just a game? If its in game then nothing should happen then even though it has outside world consequences? It's a live event and both drivers have ruined someone else because they don't like being over taken by younger better drivers? You also have to look into the betting side of this. This could be seen as race fixing by both drivers as they both purposely changed the race outcome and would have effected a lot of betters and gambling companies. Also this effects drivers sponsorships and pay from then so it's not just a game when it's being used as the real indy car races until the lock downs and restrictions are liftes
Ian Carmichael applying real life penalties would be like handing out real championship points to the winner. Which is ridiculous. As for Larson, he would have been dropped and punished for saying a racial slur anywhere at any time, whether in a real race, an interview or anywhere outside the cockpit. It just happened to be during a video game. If the race was fixed, what would be the point of Paganeud waiting to be crashed out by Norris then exacting some revenge on him. Why not crash into him while they were battling for the lead? Besides, this should be investigated by the relative authorities if it were even real, not by spectators. Besides, who would even bet on virtual events where there can be lag, internet issues, cheats, glitches or whatever.
Kruqtion I believe if you look at a lot of betting sites, you will find tons of betting for the races. I know most of the big name betting sites are running them. I'm not saying they fixed the race but am saying that ramming someone off for your own personal gain could be seen as race fixing. Also there was a driver who rage quit and lost his sponsors, so there is real life consequences and sponsors are taking this very serious. All pagenaud and ferucci have done is damage the reputation of indycar and and its drivers. This is why both the series and drivers are looked down upon by F1, they have helped show that F1 are more skilled and clearly more professional.
Sim racing often shows drivers as they truly are, as there are little consequences for their actions. Now we know what kind of sportsman Pagnaud is... a bad one
Not really in my opinion, the sim racing world is way different from the real thing, Hence why Pagenaud didn't take it as seriously as he should, doesn't mean that he hasn't been a good driver in real life, just shows that he doesn't take sim racing seriously. While the same could be said for Ferucci well... his track record isn't that great lets say
@@nibv6996 Daniel didn't say simon is a bad driver, he judged his character. And I agree pretty much. Moments like these show what a person is really like, and apparently simon is a sore loser and does nor respect other racers that much.
I don't think so. O'Ward made a very boneheaded racing decision, but ultimately I believe he was actually trying to overtake and got it very wrong. Ferrucci made a move that was designed to wreck Askew and was never going to result in anything else. From a racing point of view, O'Ward was 100% at fault and it was a stupid move. The difference is that what Ferrucci did wasn't a racing move of any sort.
Pagenaud and Ferrucci intended to take someone out. O'Ward just did a very foolish move and he isn't being excused, that move was never on, but the fact I have to defend him like this because he didn't do it on purpose and with malice, it sums it all up really.
The only way pagenaud could have taken out lando and him not have been in the wrong is if when he got hit he had said “ all a the time you have to leave a the space”
Yes, it's just a game. By the same length that the NFL is just a game. Sometimes I do a movement like this, I mastered one maneuver like that on the VERY old Daytona arcade game. But there weren't sponsors involved, just to make my mates laugh, not a live stream. Pagenaud couldn't handle to lose to a F1 driver, a kid on his eyes. He showed poor sportsmanship. Which is in dire contrast with the brilliant display from the Virtual Brazilian GP, and the brutal, relentless yet totally fair fight between Albon and LeClerc. Doesn't matter the battle arena, the real or virtual Indianapolis Speedway, Pagenaud behaved like a disgrace to the Motorsport community.
I saw the great battle between Leclerc and Albon last weekend. That was getting great comments in the chat of the livestream, and I would wager that both of those drivers gained respect from all the fans. They certainly impressed me. As for that Pagenaud guy, I don't ever want to see him again, anywhere.
Unfortunate 2 separate accident that prompted by "This just a game, don't take it too seriously" resulted of a career punishing act before this: - Bubba Wallace sponsor termination because he was taken out then proceed to rage quitted himself - Kyle Larson dropping N-Bomb then get ban from racing, of a which a slang that was *very* widely use in gaming community Prompted the Indycar driver to be much more serious to it, and bringing the debate of "This is just a game, so don't take it seriously" being in Limbo. Yes, Pagenaud action is unacceptable, but the fact that when they did not get serious when they're playing game would giving them a bad career later on, brings some mental breakdown to the driver.
Now we will see if you do the same video or articles for what he did to Arthur Leclerc in the Monaco official race. You are a media, you should be objective but it seems you just want to support the British Lando Norris. You make this a big thing and for his move on Arthur you make it « funny » , OB-JEC-TIV-NESS
"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver." - Ayrton Senna Learn how to cover a line before taking out the driver who outclasses you.
Please stop misquoting that line. It means the exact opposite of what you think it does. Senna used that as an excuse to torpedo his opponent and take them both out of the race. Quoting that line means you think Lando torpedoed the other guy, which I think we can both agree on he didn't.
@@Excludos 1 - I believe you meant "Please stop misusing that quote". The quote is correctly written. 2 - I knew EXACTLY what the quote meant and how it was originally used. Thank you for your brief yet unnecessary history lesson. 3 - The reason I used this specific quote is because I agree, as I would assume Senna agreed, on its literal meaning. If a driver doesn't go for the gap, they are merely following their competition, not racing against them. Senna obviously used this quote as an excuse, but if it wasn't so applicable outside of that one specific incident, than it wouldn't be half as famous of a quote that it is today.
Ladies. As already mentioned, Senna took out the race leader intentionally in that same move which Jackie Stewart was critiquing Senna on. Pageneaud took out the leader as well. Schumacher tried to intentionally take out Villeneauve in 1997 and got his season's points disqualified. Prost intentionally took out Senna as the lead. Those were real life actions with real implications. This was in a video game with a fraction of the race distance, with quick resets, and computer glitches involved. You are taking this way to seriously for your mental health's sake.
You know what ! Thank you for making a video on this. 👍🏻 This was a classic case of - “Don’t be the asshole” If you lost interest because you were taken out due to any reason (here it was net code) then press alt +F4 and quit. Don’t ruin it for others. Just don’t be an asshole.
Flammen Official on the money, doesn’t matter cause f1 driver. Why is WTF1 surprised that INDYCAR drivers are driving like they normally would in the real race at Indy then f1 driver comes along and doesn’t care about the etiquette and says it happens cause it’s a game. Great hypocrisy in this video
Right? This can't be had both ways. Either we're treating it like a REAL race, or we're not. The argument needs to be made that the move was against generally accepted standards of etiquette. This isn't about taking out the rookie F1 driver because he was going to win, but rather this was about taking out the F1 driver that barged his way into an Indy lobby with zero concern for Indy racing etiquette. Can't say "This isn't real life, this is iRacing". Frankly, I believe that Lando would have gone for this move in real life...we've seen other drivers go for dumber moves before.
@@solarbox Ok, if the move was against the accepted standarts of etiquelle, was Pagenauds reaction in line with those standarts!?!? Like you said, can't have it both ways!! You can disagree with the move, but one should not agree with the retaliation. I get the frustration (non Indy-guy doing non-Indy moves), but he should have been above that....
Even though its "just a game"... You cant justify that you took out a driver just because "its a game". This move tells a lot about Pagenaud's real character and how "much" of a sportsman he is. You dont become a different human, just because youre sitting in a sim and driving on IRacing. The car and the game itself may change, but the Person driving (no matter if in RL or in Sim) stays the same! So obviously Pagenaud is a character which hasnt heard about empathie, fairness and goodness
1:40 "This isn't real life - this is Iracing" 3:04 "What angered me the most is the fact that he said it's only a game" Isn't this kind of adversarial?
People seem to forget Lando deliberately blocking Tiametmarduk during a qualifying session so he wouldn't have the chance to do his final lap and possibly qualify ahead of Lando.
Surely you cant use the same point of its only a game, the 3 wide move is fine and then say its not only a game, its a competitive Iracing series broadcast on national television and has sponsors involved....one or the other?
The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's a virtual race so no one's actual safety is on the line, meaning some "unwritten rule" that drivers apply when driving real cars at Indy is meaningless. On the other side drivers are putting a lot of time and money into participating in these events, they're sponsored and televised. People who say it's "only a game" do so to try to minimize their own poor actions, or the poor actions of who they're defending, in this case Pagenaud. If it's "just a game" then what was Pagenaud so upset over? It would seem you want it both ways.
lol don't ask englishmen to have the least bit of intellectual honnesty when they are busy bashing a french. Especially when the other driver involved is british.
"If you haven't heard about this incident over the weekend then you must be living under a rock" Me: *watching this over a year later thinking it was a brand new video*
You do know that there is a huge difference between racing irl and in a sim? ^^" Like get physically hurt or actually lose your seat or get banned for less than that (i.e Santucci in F2) Indycar is still the best top level open wheeler series in terms of racing at the moment. It's just that in this instance Pagenaud and Ferucci didn't take the game seriously.
@@nibv6996 That's kind of the point. With no real world consequences, this is how he acts. When there are no repercussions for his actions, at least from his point of view, he runs into people when he knows he's too slow to beat them cleanly. As for your final comment, I think it says a lot against your point that F1 virtual GP highlight reels are usually about 5 minutes long while the Indycar iRacing highlight reel is a minute and a half. They couldn't even find enough action for 2 minutes of content
@@filmandfirearms Personally i don't care much about the sim racing side for the racing itself although the indy 500 race was very entertaining with the restarts and the overtakes and the drama on the last few laps. As for the last point i was talking about REAL LIFE Indycar, it's just superior in terms of on track actions, heck even the cars are more entertaining to watch and listen to. the racing is way more diverse (Super Speedways, Short Ovals, Street Circuits, old school circuits like barber etc...) The paddock is way more accesible too, very old school. I mean... when was the last time you saw a race to the line in F1?
Don't act like F1 drivers and drivers in other racing leagues havent taken people out on purpose before. And in those cases the real life implications were much greater. Idc what racing you're doing, there is always going to be dirty drivers.
Keiran George haha yeah. Maybe it’s because people expect last year Indy winner to have some decency. Also maybe lando’s incident came first. After which I stopped watching. So maybe. Also lando’s post on IG and outreach on internet is so wide. Maybe.
This guy: “That move by Lando is fine bc it’s not real, it’s just iRacing.” Same guy 2 minutes later: “Ferrucci needs to take this more seriously! iRacing is NOT just a game!”
V8 supercars did an outstanding job of making something out of what I initially thought was nothing. Excellent commentary from Neil Crompton and the racing was serious. The front runners were putting it all in and you could see the real enjoyment and competitive natures on the drivers faces. Max Verstappen, Alexander Rossi and a bunch of other top class runners like Lando Norris and Nascars logano and Marcus Ambrose got involved. It was only about 90% better than I expected and I look forward to the next one. Nothing beats the real thing but V8 supercars delivered a great show on this one.
as a wise shed man once said, "the cars may not be real, but the racing is"
plz no punterino
Ahh a fellow shed dweller
I actually think his gravestone will say pls no punterino
thicc jimmer
:D
“It’s just a game”, with Pagenaud sitting at his $10k+ sim rig, wearing his race suit and $200k Richard Mille watch on display - Really 🤔🤣
He wears his seat for the memes look at his Instagram, also I dont think 10k sim put a dent on his wallet dude so yea it's just a game
"It's just a game" aka "I'm salty I didn't win"
It was Ferrucci who said it was only a game right?
@@taco_killer3049 most F1 drivers earn more in a season that what he has earnt in his lifetime.
lmao a $200k watch? i guess that's one way to tell when someone hasn't really grown up
Even if it wasn't a professional event, you would still not want to see someone being taken out of the lead deliberately. If it's frowned upon in online races, then it's undoubtedly frowned upon in more professional events.
Under no circumstances is deliberately crashing into someone OK
If you do this in a public server race in iracing, you will be banned for a period of time. See the Scott Speed videos from several years back.
Tell that to Ticktum
that was almost a professional event it’s on television and with professional drivers just taking place bc of corona so it’s close to the same
I think the boss of iRacing came out and said that they would have penalized these two if it was an open public lobby but it was a private event so nobody outside IndyCar can do anything about it.
if you want to race against 19 pagenauts, just join an f1 2019 online multiplayer lobby
I played f1 games around 500 hours since 2016 and I noped out 5 minutes after joining the one and only f1 online multiplayer race...
The placements is the hard part if you're a safe driver.
AbSoLuTe CaRnAgE
@@ayadismat3830 yeah with so many lagging people, aggressive idiots who cut corners or t bone you in the hairpin, or simply doesnt wanna lose by giving u no room in the corner
shiiit nice roast
The "why' is easy right? Norris was completely embarrassing the Indycar drivers for the second time by winning the first race and being on course to win the second race as a NON-Indycar driver.
not a reason to do this tho
unless his internet connection drops out
@@harm295 Of course not, but Pagenaud is a manchild and threw a hissy fit
I don't get why some people diss the shit out of F1 or NASCAR drivers who try to do the Indy 500 I've been going there ever since 2013 and love the history TBH it's always cool to see a new experienced driver take on the Indy 500. Most people are attracted to McLaren's dabble into Indy every once in a while.
Ploke Newo78 Kyle Larson........still "just a gams"?
Millsions of dollars was put into this.....still "just a game"?
Grow up
He was just salty that an much younger F1 driver has beaten him on track in his own racing class
This. It's an ego problem from Pagenaud
f1 drivers came to them to have fun and make friends, they responded by making enemy
BLM Are Terrorists do you even know who lance stroll is like you can’t call lando a rich kid daddy joke if you don’t even acknowledge the person who’s dad bought a team so that he could get a better car
@BLM Are Terrorists Even if he was a rich daddy joke, which he isn't, he's still 100x more talented than you and driving for a legendary Motorsport team. You're on the internet chatting shit. Massive difference between you two.
@BLM Are Terrorists My bad which racing series are you currently racing in?
"It's just a game Bro"
Alain Prost. Japan, 1989
Hahahaha
''It's just a game bro''
Ayrton Senna. Japan, 1990
@@djopepe7200 It's not a game anymore. Ayrton Senna Japan 1990
"It's just a game bro"
Schumacher. Australia, 1994.
"Hold my Indy 2019 win bro"
Pagenaud. 2019
"Hold my 4 F1 champion titles bro"
Prost. Anytime
RIP. Completely idiotic especially when Lando did nothing much wrong. It's why the FIA have stewards and don't tell the drivers to impose penalties on each other.
I like how Supercars does it; having stewards and imposing penalities. The races have been fantastic.
gekoloniseerd
Incident was mostly his fault...
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
Lando did absolutely nothing wrong
" If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are a Indycar driver "
My new favorite quote
Let's add "If you go for a gap that doesn't yet exist, you are a NASCAR driver". Since NASCAR you can get away with creating a gap by pushing them out of the way
Boy you look like you play with die-casts before bed while making vroom vroom sounds with your mouth until mommy tells you to shut up
Lmao
Pretty childish....
no u
@@jonskhag no u
@@twobits9424 no u
@@the_azzard4921 I am a fan of the profile pic
@@jonskhag no u
-The first responders who were in full dress uniform singing the national anthem took it seriously.
-The sponsors who poured money into the event took it seriously.
-NBC and SkySports took it seriously, enough for them to broadcast it on TV.
-The drivers who spent thousands of dollars buildings rigs to be competitive, and practicing for hours took it seriously. Some, including Pagenaud, were even wearing full racing suit and gloves.
-And the viewers who tuned in took it seriously, otherwise they wouldn't have have tuned in.
Whether we like it or not, sim racing is the new grass roots of motorsport. It's the first point of contact with the sport for not only the next generation of fans, but even for future drivers.
This was a great opportunity to showcase the sport to a new generation of young viewers, and instead of seeing an entertaining race all they say was a couple of clowns behaving like children.
Now if only they would actually punish Simon and Ferrucci. I'm hoping there is enough backlash that maybe the sponsors second guess their support to some of these drivers that act like that.
First reponders didn't take iRacing seriously. They take our national anthem seriously. Sponsors didn't pay money to put this on. They paid money to the teams for advertising space on their car during the season. NBC and Sky didn't put this on TV because this was serious racing. They put this on TV because advertisers paid them advertising dollars already to show their ad on TV, and instead of refunding them or giving them a credit, they'll spend the money and fulfill their contractual obligations to their advertisers. You don't know how marketing and the media work.
Scott McLaughlin who ran a special livery to celebrate pirteks 40th anniversary and pirtek themselves took it seriously (and was laughing as the seas departed to take the win).
@@KBowWow75 If the first responders didn't take the event seriously, why did they bother participating? Who would sign a national anthem if "iT iS jUsT a gAmE"?
They did, in fact, take it seriously
@@VictorFAmaya you are wasting your time arguing with that guy mate. Don't waste your time with him
If Pagenuad was spinning then Ericsson hit Grosjean
If Ericsson his Grosjean, then Pato O'ward didn't take Ericcson out in turn 4 on the last lap.
There must be something going on with french drivers
He said: “i was pitting”
both are salty and crashable drivers
Hah, this meme is used everywhere, but i had to admin that you used it well
Very well said. The "it's only a game" argument really annoys me too. It's only a game when you play with your mates messing around. When you're competing in a properly organised event against other competitive people and being viewed by probably 100's of thousands on the internet and TV, it is no longer just a game. The fact it was done in a virtual environment instead of real life is completely irrelevant because it still has loads of people watching it wanting to see competitive action and a worthy winner but it was completely ruined by 2 selfish idiots. It is real shame because Indycar's production of the series was really good but it's now ended being a farce.
Andy Y well said!
100% true.
Well said. The people saying "it's only a game" seem to want to have it both ways. If it's "only a game" then what was Pagenaud upset about to begin with? The entire reason he was mad was that he was well aware of how many eyes were on that race and his ego was bruised. Plus even those of us who really do play sim racing as "only a game" expect some level of sportsmanship from the other people playing. No one likes the assholes who intentionally ruin someone else's race.
On the other hand, Albon and Leclerc gave us some exciting show of how it can be done! And laughing together after the race in an interview giving each other props for the amazing fight. In the driving aspect iRacing should be more realistic than F1 2019. But those 2 guys still show it doesn't matter where you do the racing. It's the attitude you bring to your driving!
You're going to get people in video games who take it seriously and don't take it seriously. You can't blame the guys who don't take it seriously any more than you can blame the guys who take it seriously. It's not a game, but yet want to defend driver's moves as saying "It's not real life, it's iRacing." They were all taking it seriously until Lando didn't take it seriously enough and then went 3 wide on a 1-2 groove track. At that point, it went out the window and back to being a game.
"It's only a game"
Tell that to Darrell Wallace Jr., who lost a sponsor because he rage-quit, and Kyle Larson, who was fired by his team because he said a racial slur out-loud in the in-sim voice chat.
And Abt that got sacked by Audi for having a pro sim racer race for him
Yes, what a shame..
@@xtrjackson624 yea that was actually a retarded move from audi
Abt was the only reason , Formula E gained some viewership from Germany.
Bilal Demirhan, fine him, but don’t sack him
ban him, if i did that on iracing i would get banned
Well technically lando also deserves a penalty
@@tylerwhite9360 there are no such rules in iracing
"It's just a game." translated: "I like wasting everyones time."
Imrahil 😂
"This isn't real life though. This is iRacing." - Matt Gallagher, This video.
You had me in the first half ngl, but fell off heavily in the second half
.... it is a game though
Or “That was embarrassing losing out on strategy and a racing incident, then realising the crash on purpose looked that way too.” The convo was good with Lando after. Everyone knew Lando was rapid from COTA, in a full race distance he might have lapped them in their own cars. He has a good feel for the Indycars on iRacing. Cant be easy to see that as the genuine drivers against a guest. They will get over it right?
I am a nyc high school science teacher who loves Indy and went to the 500 in 1988. It doesn't matter why Simon did it IT WAS WRONG. Analogous to a bully .Lando is a young(20 y.o.) F1 driver (finished year 1 with McLaren) who WAS INVITED to race with Indy Drivers and promptly won race 1 at COTA. Why was Lando invited (which no one has brought up . .)? Indy irace TV rating were horrible: Nascar 900,000 viewers, Indy (COTA) 100,000. Lando was then invited back to next race at Indy 500 track, and he practiced FOR DAYS (not just hours) with advisors .His 3 F1 friends (George-Alex-Charles all in their 20's also) were all having fun iracing (lawn mowers, trucks across Europe) but Lando was practicing for Indy. THAT'S WHY THIS WAS WRONG. Think of a 35+ y.o. destroying a "project" a 20 y.o. had worked on for days. Finally, Simon's boss, Roger Penske (an amazing guy: hero to all of us) doesn't tolerate behavior like this, virtual or not. This is simply right/wrong, professional/not.
Laura I am sure Simon will get a stern look from Roger but the Captain knows his drivers and knows the difference between real life and sims. Still not sportsmanlike but in sims this is possible.
Lando practiced for days but he made a move that caused the wreck of Pagenaud. The IndyCar drivers were driving this like a real Indy 500 taking the real racing lines. Lando drove it like a gamer and stuck his nose in a place he should not have. He could have held back and passed through the slip stream on the back stretch but he was impatient.
Le Pone LOL OK. So the reigning Indy 500 champ and 2nd place finisher for Penske will lose Menards and possibly his ride? Due to a rage induced accident in a video game? Holy cow man, think about that. I am sure Roger will have some words with Simon but come on.
@@scottbarbour9745 Lando was down on the bottom of the track he didn't cause anything.
the 20 year old got a bloody nose cause he was impatient its Karma Lando made the original mistake
Le Pone I’m sorry to hear about your mother, I truly am, and I was not mocking you but the idea that Penske and the sponsors would do anything because of this. There is not one story about this on Google that is not centered around F1 news. The Larson situation is on a different plane of idiocy and cannot be compared to Pagenaud
My only problem with all the arguments I've seen is the reasoning "It's because he's not an IndyCar driver." The man who won 2 race and the entire championship wasn't an IndyCar driver.
Also lets give Ericsson a little love for making 2 three-wide passes (including one on the grass)
Totally true
Oh yeah... “Try and stop me getting past, that’s fine I’ll get through on the grass.”
Literally used that as a last lap overtake in Brazil for P3
He must feel good, wrecking a non Indy car driver out so another non Indy car driver could win. Also dumb on Santino for doing that. If you're going to wreck someone don't make it obvious.
He kind of is
"Its just a game"
Translates to
"I'm salty"
"To give you some background on Ferrucci, he's a tremendous thundercunt" would have saved time.
Doesn't matter if it's a game or not, he just needs to grow up and act like a proper racing driver. Disgraceful that the race went to shit like this.
I guess he joins the likes of Schumacher, Senna, and Prost then to intentionally take out the leader. 👍
@@KBowWow75 difference is, those guys were the one in the lead. Not the car behind/the car being lapped
Why should act like a proper race car driver if it’s just a game
@@juancena2149 why to drive at all if it's just a game
@@KBowWow75 so you take out who drives in front of you
Such a lack of sportsmanship
He's French
Pilo 22 I think that’s the bottom line that needs to be taken from this to the higher ups
@@ml8022 GT Sport flashbacks
64Fabby e-sportsmanship, there u go lol
Have you ever played with French online? Most are really pathetic idiots, who always blame the others.
for me it's just showing the true personality of those drivers ... if they could do that IRL without killing someone or be banned they will do it ...
ua-cam.com/video/g3yWoPCxl3k/v-deo.html mate you are right
exactly! as soon as they can get away with something they take advantage of it, such a repulsive personality
Yup they only did it cuz 1, they didn’t want an F1 driver to win the Indy and 2, BECAUSE ITS A GAME. Like Jesé these old ass men are pretty messed up for that
Lee Nux Yep. Fuck pagenot.
My favorite part about this is there's a clip of Pagenaud doing exactly the thing he took Lando out for IN REAL LIFE.
Simon Pagenaud: Only IndyCar drivers can win this race
Scott McLaughlin: Says who?
Scott was like: Suck my kiwi weewee you donkey. And just won the fuckin thing. 😂😂😂
Scott is actually going to be running Indycar soon and respects what is required, since he's actually tested an Indycar in person.
Conor: Scottyyyyyyyy
I just plucked her in first, gave it some jandal and fuck yeah!!
Well I mean he’s an IndyCar driver now
IndyCar's trying to provide some show to its fans as we can't go outside to see races. Virtual or not, drivers have to drive show some respect for the show.
R0B3RT Ngl cheif, don't beleive that "virtual or not" is a good reason.
Because you can't put a life at risk virtually. Yes, you can't make it as authentic and realistic via the sponsors and tv networks and add a prise pool. If there was a prise for winning the race (correct me if I'm wrong) I would understand and accept that Pagenaud ruined Lando's chances which is poor sportsmanship but no one lost anything!
@@zaveexixterteen3841 They lost a win. And these people care about winning more than any prize money.
@@zaveexixterteen3841 Wait, what? You think that someone can't show poor sportsmanship unless there's prize money? I think you need to go learn what the word sportsmanship means.
They are putting a race on, not a show. You don’t take people out
They lost respect. Thats what they lost. Do you know how much limelight indycar got because of different drivers competing with them. But now i think theyve shot themselves in the foot and left a bad taste. I think opinions of indycar will be worse than before because of the drivers attitude and mentality. They even do the national anthems before dont they. Yes nothing was on the line. But when sponsors are involved money's always involved somewhere. Sponsors may not want to do this again. Even for iracing. You need a subscription for it........ Pagenaud has fucked up. And the other childish driver who did it for the fans"""
there's a rule in Iracing that people tend to forget. it's "wait the replay before complaining and launching a potentiel drama situation". all grown up simracers know it now. it just helps to get over many things. nerves included.
Take a breath, watch the video, then discuss
@@OneMouseGaming exactly.
Well, Max and Lando have one common: they are both taken out by a lapped frenchman
😭😭
At least Occon was faster and about to unlap him.
Patrick Tho true
just imagine max trolling lando saying its pagenaud watch out lando???!!!!and him loling
Brilliant!!
"It's only a game ......... when I'm losing"
- Simon the Salt P.
I feel just so sorry for lando...
He was so unlucky all the time in the virtualGP‘s
Now he‘s in the lead going for the win and this happens...
So basically:
Lando was robbed.
An adult child was mad
I-racing is is very important
And again, Lando was robbed😥
Lando laughed it off.
@@rohgenextfan so if Lando can deal with it, why can't anybody else?
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance when someone robbed your house but you can deal with it doesn't make what happened right you know?
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance Dunno. This is Lando's reaction to watching Pagenaud's stream clip: ua-cam.com/video/2Vt_DKjhjyw/v-deo.html&feature=emb_logo
rohgenextfan you never laugh at trolls?
Whenever i hear “its only a game” ...thats always been just loser talk trying to make yourself feel better for losing ... the platform may be digital now but the lack of sportsmanship is nothing new
sorry, but e"sports" are just a game.
But like it IS just a game. This isn’t real life racing, like it ducks that it happened but like these are pixels on a screen and with just the slightest bit of lag and this was bound to happen
@@olivierb9716 1 Billion dollars esport industry will agree with you! LOL
or an asshole trying to get a rise out of people
@@olivierb9716 other sports are games too lol
The phrase "It's just a game" is such a weak mindset
Isaac Bancroft dude, it’s literally a fucking video game. There’s no comeback to that. At the end of the day, it’s a cheap game that you play for FUN. It’s not real life it is just a GAME
@@funny-bv6lo That's the first time I've heard anyone describe iRacing as a CHEAP game xD
@@funny-bv6lo dude chill, he is just making fun of Ninja, a fortnite streamer who said that. And it isn't because you don't care about a "silly game" that this applies to everyone out there.
@@funny-bv6lo if you play iRacing on TV for fans, its not the same if you play NFS at home. This is a Simulation and they choose iRacing, because they wanted good racing for the fans. These moves are not good racing, its legit to complain about it.
@@funny-bv6lo well, i guess i'm gonna cheat on several competitive online games because IT'S JUST A GAME, thank you
*can't wait for getting banned lmao
It's just a game?
Really?? I wonder how much he got paid to "play" this game from his team, his sponsors and TV!!
I actually liked Pagenaud until he did that. I've totally lost all respect for him now though. Definitely won't be barracking for him anytime in the future.
It's just a race in a virtual game
Same. Absolutely shameful.
@cial go fall in a hole
@@circourt3250 where alot of money was pend on, which was broadcasted in TV and probably watched by hundrets of thousands of people.
@@circourt3250 if you cant take a loss in a game what makes you think hell take a loss in real life
Lando literally did nothing wrong in the earlier incident. He has the inside, he's further ahead & with clear space.
Pagenaud on the other hand deliberately schemed to take Lando out
. Game or not, they spent days practising, real world sponsorship & tv broadcasting. Immature.
''Game or not, they spent days practising, real world sponsorship & tv broadcasting. Immature.''
This is it., Lando spent his whole week practicing this game, also people want to see something close to real racing and not this bullshit mentality ''if i can't win then i'll take u out''.
its not like lando made a move which would have been dangerous in a real race , i would be made if i would get taken out by such a move
I'm a Lando fan, but if the Indy rule is 3 wide in a turn isn't allowed and the last one to make it 3 wide needs to back out, lando didn't back out. This in turn didn't give the other cars enough space for grip and maneuvering in the corner, and Pagenaud got hit because the car next to him turned in, saw lando where he shouldn't be, overcorrected and hit him. Yes, Lando didn't hit anyone, but what he did do was an F1 move on an Indy track. Diving for a gap in a corner is 100% a-ok in F1, but Indy has rules about 3 wide unfortunately. This should make Pagenaud angry, but it shouldn't result in retaliation. Lando needs to respect the rules of Indy and Pagenaud (and a few other Indy drivers) need to respect iracing as a legit temporary replacement for real racing, ie....unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated.
@@dylandog1289 There was plenty of space.
@@dylandog1289 Iracing is not a legit replacement no prize money not even full races, the even need to turn on wuick repairs because the damage model is broken, also there is no 3 wide rule but if yyou go for such a move wich rsults in a crash you are at fault and if it would happen irl with contact its dangerous, also why make such a silly thing it such a big thing? many pro drivers got taken out in such races but if its lando everyone is freaking out? imagine grosjean was leading and he got taken out nobody would have cared
Because of people like Pagenaut many don't wanna race online.
and many people dont want to watch online races because of these d*ckheads like pagenaut
Exactly, this kind of behavior is widespread on iRacing. You can put in all the time and effort to execute a P1 worthy race or even just a race that will bump your rating, and have it thrown away due to someone’s ego feeling threatened.
McFly2015AD it’s like forza but atoeast you expect it with forza and the psychics engine is made in mind with that so you aren’t sent flipping for 5 miles but instead go for a 5 meter roll
No because of fans like you, drivers like Graham Rahal and others don't want to race online.
KBowWow75 Is it really too much of an ask to say, “Don’t deliberately wreck people, demonstrate some sportsmanship.”?
You can see Leclerc or Norris joking around in their twitch streams but this is broadcasted on national tv and sponsors want to be associated with it, this behaviour is just childish (hasnt this guy won several championships?) and I think it has permanently destroyed the perception of iracing in terms of sponsors and "normal" racing fans
I like the "normalness" of the new F1-drivers. It is far better to yoke around such an incident than to get into a fist-fight or something like in the NHL or Max vs Occon
@@1987jaffa Pretty sure he got that idea from Daniel Ricciardo.
In fact, Pagenaud is the recent Indy 500 winner
people saying "it's just a game" probably never commited to something in their life. drivers acting like "it's a game" probably forgot that others are commited to it. anyway it's just a matter of respect and commitment. we try to bring something to people to view but assholes are assholes... they are everywhere. that's why there are rules. even more when it's broadcasted on TV channels.
people need to understand that because of the virus, we try to recreate something lacking. RACING. so please take it as it should, that means a replacement of reality. therefore, people should act like IRL. just for the sake of respect to the sport. WE WANT TRUE RACERS RACING EACH OTHERS.
deeingalaplike driving with no real chance to podium let alone win...exciting
Matt: "Real life drivers should be more serious about simracing and the simraces they are racing in".
Daniel Abt: Hold my beer.
Needed to show more of Ferucci's incident and other drivers reactionss. Newgarden's reaction is the best and most credible, being the 2019 champ
What's even more stupid is if we're following Indycar ettiquette here, you can clearly see at 0:43 that Pagenaud is the last car into that turn therefore he should've dropped back. Norris did nothing wrong, absolute clowns.
Indycar racing ettiquette must be better than iRacing's then, having been in the same situation as Pagenaud the attitude was the same as on road courses; if you place yourself on the outside it's risky. I think maybe Lando did lag into Rahal, being on a different continent and he's been having connection issues, but then that is why you watch replays and discuss it after the race.
Lost all respect for pagenaud after seeing that
Same here
@@slahudeenhussain5297 Because he would kill himself and others in the process, of course he wouldn't. It's still not a nice thing to do, they didn't race in an arcade battle with friends to just goof around. Incredibly unsportsmanlike.
ItzDan Me too man, me too.
I wouldn't say all respect but I definitely lost some respect for Simon . Which is a shame as I thought he was a likable guy
@@slahudeenhussain5297 Yeah but it shows how little he cares for someone else when hes willing to do something like that
You forgot that the reason is that they 'didn't want a non Indy car driver to win'. Honestly, that's just Pagenaud being absolutely stupid and I feel for lando.
Well a non IndyCar driver won anyway. So he failed.
I know, absolutely stupid actions from a world champ in Indy car
What kind of highschool densed mind spoiled whimp would said that
@@Thumbsupurbum Talk about backfire 😂
@@HaXD1209 Pagenaud clearly does :/
"The phrase its just a game is such a weak mindset."
Even tho it’s only a “Game” you should still drive like you would in the real thing, these are proper drivers from either F1, Indicar etc
I hate how Indycar drivers are defending Simon. Just because some guest shows up and wins a video game that Lando has been playing since he was a fetus.
McLaren is the enemy to Indycar. They did wrong to James Hinchcliff and Marcus Ericsson, but only the Indycar loyalist Hinch, who the loyal Indycar fans, drivers, and sponsors adore, got the shaft. McLaren came in and showed their true colors. Indycar drivers are loyal to their fellow competitors. Something F1 does not have.
Well, Roger Penske (Pagenaud's team boss) owns the Indycar Series by himself soo....you know.
Who? Which IndyCar drivers are defending him?
@@KBowWow75 Yea, not really. Saying that F1 drivers don't really care about each other is wrong. They're still humans. F1 drivers respect each other. But because F1 is the pinnacle of Motorsport (which indycar isn't) that's why the drivers have a bigger ego.
Patrick Daniel Verstappen has an ego the size of the Pacific.
If I owned a brand that is somehow related to both Pagenaud or Ferrucci I would pull my money out, ASAP.
Any smart person would. Anytime from now i see these two, the word that would come to my mind would be cheats
The worst ending for the best virtual racing coverage :(
I wont be turning in again if them two sore losers are still in the field.
@@Glenn7719 This was the last race
@@Glenn7719 whos the other sore loser? Lando!?
Actually I thought this was the best possible ending but then I'm a kiwi and a Scotty mac fan.
Honestly this was a shit race esp because this was official. The Race Legends Trophy was a better one with Alonso and Button battling it out until the last lap. Superb driving by two excellent drivers.
Its one of the facts that its broadcasted makes it a lot worse . A lot of viewers will see these drivers dont have sportsmanship.
“Do you know how many freaking hours I put into driving, LEFT”
Wouldn't you normally get banned from iRacing for something like that if it was protested?
In an official race yes, but this was a private league race hosted by IndyCar, so not in this case.
@@wejhvabewjty Yeah, of course, but they could at least ban him from any further e-Sports events, his sponsors will tell him how they think about that.
@@coses4957 thats what we waiting for. indycar or his spondors dooing something. like they did with larsson saying the n word
@@coses4957 Real drivers get a pass for most of this stuff, It is what it is. A couple of weeks ago Lando did donunts in the middle of the track in an official Indy Fixed race at Homestead to force a caution and nearly wrecked half the field in the process. Yes, that race was not on TV, but it is still having disregard for the amount of practice the other competitors might have put in. Will he get banned for that? No.
@@wejhvabewjty Oh ok, i didnt knew that, do you have a link to it?
Imagine if these drivers destroyed their "Real life" carrers just because of the "game". If they did, its not "just a game", is it?
Well in the case of an insult like Larson (even if there is some controverse but any way), I understand. But in a case like Bubba Wallace or Pagenaud, no. And if yes, what about Senna Prost and Mansell putting other driver off in real races with dangerous moves ?
Real IndyCar is just a game... ''tHe fIrSt tO fInIsH lInE wInS 11!!1!'' ... it does not matter where the competition is held, competition is real and thats why it has to be taken with at least a minimum of seriousness.
TheLoucM it’s literally a video game relax
@@funny-bv6lo Yes, and ''real'' IndyCar is also a game. Whats your point ?
@@TheLoucM well you're not gona die or be hurt if you crash in iRacing. In Indycar yes, ask to Wickens
Yes, it's a game, but that doesn't mean you need to be a coward.
It's like deliberately TNT'ing a minecraft house someone earnestly build. It's all about manners.
'Just a game'
Dude, all sports are just 'games' in the end. Have some sportsmanship ffs
ehhh . . . .there is a big difrence between crash a virtual race car into a virtual race card and crashing a real race car into another real race car who are bout going what 300 kilometers ?
as if you never crashed some cars on f1 games in monaco for fun just because its fun for a bit
@@justawarlord Yeah, talk about not getting the point. And no, i never have and never will because i don't think its fun to ruin people's races.
Thomas V. Agreed! You should see how many dirty drivers are on Gran Turismo my guy. Shameful.
Well done Simon “wasn’t good enough for F1” Pagenaud for demonstrating your um “skills”.
Haha ok not good enough for F1 but he is good enough to win one of the most important race in history. L for lando
cial oh yes the one where he has to turn left four times a lap.
Dave Franks have you actually watched the Indy 500? Much more competitive and challenging than F1, and the cars are harder to drive then it seems
Lorenzo Abanes lol yes I have
@@lorenzoabanes6351 anyone who believes indy 500 is more challenging than f1 is off their meds. There's not a shred of evidence to back that up. what a joke
Pagenaud and Santino made what would’ve been a great finish a complete joke
Its a game, its a joke, be real.
@@kg0173 Be real, all sport is a game. Whether you're kicking a ball, hitting it with a bat or driving in circles, they are all games. A lot of people care about games, when they see it played competitively, which is why sponsors see it as a good opportunity for an advert and that is what racing drivers get paid for.
Its a yoke
If it was up to me, pagenaud wouldn't be asked for any big online race anymore. We don't need people like that, I hope he loses sponsors because of this immature act...
Oh bitch bitch bitch.
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance Why are you defending him in every video ? Is he your boyfriend?
He really ought to be banned from iRacing. But they've taken the (non)position that since it was a private session they don't have any ability to act upon it.
I get it's a game. But countless hours of practice going into this. I'm surprised lando held it together so well. He spent weeks practicing only for this to happen
It isn't though. It's a simulator
"game" is a understatement for simulators like iRacing or rFactor 2
@@kristof1230 your right. I agree. I am a die hard sim racer on iracing. What I mean is I feel the frustration of spending hours practicing for a race only to be taken out. I normally erupt in anger so I feel lando is very well controllef
813cammedC6Vette Well, now you know how Simon felt when a car made it 3 wide in a place where 3 cars just cannot be side by side at full speed
@@scottbarbour9745 You keep repeating that. No amount of saying that is ever going to make you right. In iracing 3 cars very much can be side by side and there is no actual rule against it in Indy. You've never played iracing, or any sim obviously. Why are you so adamantly clinging to an opinion on something you know nothin about?
I very much appreciate you referencing the "last one in, first one out" etiquette. I'm not excusing Pagenaud in the slightest, but it both explains why Pagenaud was so upset with specifically Norris, and it also is a great, risk free introduction for F1 fans to the racecraft differences who might be watching an Indy oval race for the first time.
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I've been kicked out of F1 2019 lobbies for less.
Either way, Simon was at fault there, no way around it, no denying it.
I think they should apply real life penalties and then have the driver pay those to a good cause for the fight against Covid-19
It's a fucking video game. Whatever happens in a video game should never escalate in real life. What's next? You gonna shoot a kid for watching a PG-13 movie?
@@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance A video game that Pagenaud was wearing a fireproof suit for? What a clown lmao
Grindcore rager does that mean Kyle larson should not be punished for the racist slur as its just a game? If its in game then nothing should happen then even though it has outside world consequences? It's a live event and both drivers have ruined someone else because they don't like being over taken by younger better drivers? You also have to look into the betting side of this. This could be seen as race fixing by both drivers as they both purposely changed the race outcome and would have effected a lot of betters and gambling companies. Also this effects drivers sponsorships and pay from then so it's not just a game when it's being used as the real indy car races until the lock downs and restrictions are liftes
Ian Carmichael applying real life penalties would be like handing out real championship points to the winner. Which is ridiculous. As for Larson, he would have been dropped and punished for saying a racial slur anywhere at any time, whether in a real race, an interview or anywhere outside the cockpit. It just happened to be during a video game. If the race was fixed, what would be the point of Paganeud waiting to be crashed out by Norris then exacting some revenge on him. Why not crash into him while they were battling for the lead? Besides, this should be investigated by the relative authorities if it were even real, not by spectators. Besides, who would even bet on virtual events where there can be lag, internet issues, cheats, glitches or whatever.
Kruqtion I believe if you look at a lot of betting sites, you will find tons of betting for the races. I know most of the big name betting sites are running them. I'm not saying they fixed the race but am saying that ramming someone off for your own personal gain could be seen as race fixing. Also there was a driver who rage quit and lost his sponsors, so there is real life consequences and sponsors are taking this very serious. All pagenaud and ferucci have done is damage the reputation of indycar and and its drivers. This is why both the series and drivers are looked down upon by F1, they have helped show that F1 are more skilled and clearly more professional.
Sim racing often shows drivers as they truly are, as there are little consequences for their actions.
Now we know what kind of sportsman Pagnaud is... a bad one
Not really in my opinion, the sim racing world is way different from the real thing, Hence why Pagenaud didn't take it as seriously as he should, doesn't mean that he hasn't been a good driver in real life, just shows that he doesn't take sim racing seriously.
While the same could be said for Ferucci well... his track record isn't that great lets say
@@nibv6996 Daniel didn't say simon is a bad driver, he judged his character. And I agree pretty much. Moments like these show what a person is really like, and apparently simon is a sore loser and does nor respect other racers that much.
I don't know if I agree. Simon made a douchey move but we cant really act like intentionally wrecking is all that uncommon in racing games.
@@StaySqueezy12 Murder, rape, muggings, stabbings, etc. are not uncommon either. What is your point
@@hkr667 Did you just compare murders and rapes to crashing on purpose in video games?
Why is no one talking about O'Ward also taking out Ericsson? He should also get a little less or the same amount of blame as Ferrucci in my opinion.
That was a complete accident. O'Ward apologised to Ericsson.
I don't think so. O'Ward made a very boneheaded racing decision, but ultimately I believe he was actually trying to overtake and got it very wrong. Ferrucci made a move that was designed to wreck Askew and was never going to result in anything else.
From a racing point of view, O'Ward was 100% at fault and it was a stupid move. The difference is that what Ferrucci did wasn't a racing move of any sort.
They're still mad he wrecked Grosjean.
Pagenaud and Ferrucci intended to take someone out. O'Ward just did a very foolish move and he isn't being excused, that move was never on, but the fact I have to defend him like this because he didn't do it on purpose and with malice, it sums it all up really.
@@redluca56 That's how I see it as well. The fact that merely being a racing move instead of an intentional takeout is in his favor says it all.
Me: * is an Indy and f1 fan *
Pagenaud: “it’s a game”
Me who plays gran turismo religiously: *peace was never an option*
I'm sorry but the only person who took iRacing seriously was Conor Daly, he played it smart.
The moment there are sponsors involved, it is no longer a game... Simple as that.
The only way pagenaud could have taken out lando and him not have been in the wrong is if when he got hit he had said “ all a the time you have to leave a the space”
Yes, it's just a game. By the same length that the NFL is just a game. Sometimes I do a movement like this, I mastered one maneuver like that on the VERY old Daytona arcade game. But there weren't sponsors involved, just to make my mates laugh, not a live stream. Pagenaud couldn't handle to lose to a F1 driver, a kid on his eyes. He showed poor sportsmanship. Which is in dire contrast with the brilliant display from the Virtual Brazilian GP, and the brutal, relentless yet totally fair fight between Albon and LeClerc. Doesn't matter the battle arena, the real or virtual Indianapolis Speedway, Pagenaud behaved like a disgrace to the Motorsport community.
I saw the great battle between Leclerc and Albon last weekend. That was getting great comments in the chat of the livestream, and I would wager that both of those drivers gained respect from all the fans. They certainly impressed me. As for that Pagenaud guy, I don't ever want to see him again, anywhere.
Unfortunate 2 separate accident that prompted by "This just a game, don't take it too seriously" resulted of a career punishing act before this:
- Bubba Wallace sponsor termination because he was taken out then proceed to rage quitted himself
- Kyle Larson dropping N-Bomb then get ban from racing, of a which a slang that was *very* widely use in gaming community
Prompted the Indycar driver to be much more serious to it, and bringing the debate of "This is just a game, so don't take it seriously" being in Limbo.
Yes, Pagenaud action is unacceptable, but the fact that when they did not get serious when they're playing game would giving them a bad career later on, brings some mental breakdown to the driver.
Now we will see if you do the same video or articles for what he did to Arthur Leclerc in the Monaco official race. You are a media, you should be objective but it seems you just want to support the British Lando Norris. You make this a big thing and for his move on Arthur you make it « funny » , OB-JEC-TIV-NESS
Can we take into consideration how "just a game" can cause a quite real controversy?
Awesome times for Sim Racing
Austin: Winner
Indianapolis: Taken out by someone on purpose
"If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver."
- Ayrton Senna
Learn how to cover a line before taking out the driver who outclasses you.
Please stop misquoting that line. It means the exact opposite of what you think it does. Senna used that as an excuse to torpedo his opponent and take them both out of the race. Quoting that line means you think Lando torpedoed the other guy, which I think we can both agree on he didn't.
@@Excludos
1 - I believe you meant "Please stop misusing that quote". The quote is correctly written.
2 - I knew EXACTLY what the quote meant and how it was originally used. Thank you for your brief yet unnecessary history lesson.
3 - The reason I used this specific quote is because I agree, as I would assume Senna agreed, on its literal meaning. If a driver doesn't go for the gap, they are merely following their competition, not racing against them. Senna obviously used this quote as an excuse, but if it wasn't so applicable outside of that one specific incident, than it wouldn't be half as famous of a quote that it is today.
Ladies. As already mentioned, Senna took out the race leader intentionally in that same move which Jackie Stewart was critiquing Senna on. Pageneaud took out the leader as well. Schumacher tried to intentionally take out Villeneauve in 1997 and got his season's points disqualified. Prost intentionally took out Senna as the lead. Those were real life actions with real implications. This was in a video game with a fraction of the race distance, with quick resets, and computer glitches involved. You are taking this way to seriously for your mental health's sake.
@@KBowWow75 Thank you. People get offended for nothing these days.
"It's only a game, so it's ok to throw decency out of the window" - said no decent person ever.
"It's just a game." [Under breath: I wish I could have won.] There's a thing for this is called sour grapes.
You know what ! Thank you for making a video on this. 👍🏻
This was a classic case of - “Don’t be the asshole”
If you lost interest because you were taken out due to any reason (here it was net code) then press alt +F4 and quit. Don’t ruin it for others.
Just don’t be an asshole.
pagenaud was stupid doing that!
35 years old, acted like a spoiled kid.
"In the real Indy 500, Lando doesn't go for that move."
Takuma Sato: Looks ideal to me.
WTF : Suggest Indy 500 etiquette goes out the window cos its iRacing
Also WTF : Get mad at Ferrucci for saying its just a game.
Flammen Official on the money, doesn’t matter cause f1 driver. Why is WTF1 surprised that INDYCAR drivers are driving like they normally would in the real race at Indy then f1 driver comes along and doesn’t care about the etiquette and says it happens cause it’s a game. Great hypocrisy in this video
Right? This can't be had both ways. Either we're treating it like a REAL race, or we're not. The argument needs to be made that the move was against generally accepted standards of etiquette. This isn't about taking out the rookie F1 driver because he was going to win, but rather this was about taking out the F1 driver that barged his way into an Indy lobby with zero concern for Indy racing etiquette. Can't say "This isn't real life, this is iRacing". Frankly, I believe that Lando would have gone for this move in real life...we've seen other drivers go for dumber moves before.
@@solarbox I agree with you there too and he would be thankful if it wasn't a driver like Paul Tracy in Simon's seat in the real race
@@cricketstar2010 Give him the 'ol "Chrome Horn" as Tracy likes to say.
@@solarbox Ok, if the move was against the accepted standarts of etiquelle, was Pagenauds reaction in line with those standarts!?!? Like you said, can't have it both ways!!
You can disagree with the move, but one should not agree with the retaliation.
I get the frustration (non Indy-guy doing non-Indy moves), but he should have been above that....
Very unsportsmanlike attitude from Pagenaud
In any online game I've played that would be grounds for a Ban
Even though its "just a game"... You cant justify that you took out a driver just because "its a game". This move tells a lot about Pagenaud's real character and how "much" of a sportsman he is. You dont become a different human, just because youre sitting in a sim and driving on IRacing. The car and the game itself may change, but the Person driving (no matter if in RL or in Sim) stays the same! So obviously Pagenaud is a character which hasnt heard about empathie, fairness and goodness
Your not a fucking psychologist and a video isnt some know all psychology test
1:40 "This isn't real life - this is Iracing"
3:04 "What angered me the most is the fact that he said it's only a game"
Isn't this kind of adversarial?
This is what is called taking quotes out of context
People seem to forget Lando deliberately blocking Tiametmarduk during a qualifying session so he wouldn't have the chance to do his final lap and possibly qualify ahead of Lando.
Surely you cant use the same point of its only a game, the 3 wide move is fine and then say its not only a game, its a competitive Iracing series broadcast on national television and has sponsors involved....one or the other?
The two aren't mutually exclusive. It's a virtual race so no one's actual safety is on the line, meaning some "unwritten rule" that drivers apply when driving real cars at Indy is meaningless. On the other side drivers are putting a lot of time and money into participating in these events, they're sponsored and televised. People who say it's "only a game" do so to try to minimize their own poor actions, or the poor actions of who they're defending, in this case Pagenaud. If it's "just a game" then what was Pagenaud so upset over? It would seem you want it both ways.
lol don't ask englishmen to have the least bit of intellectual honnesty when they are busy bashing a french. Especially when the other driver involved is british.
I hope he losses a sponsor or two over that.
Octagrammaton Veilchenstein der Dreizehnte yeah. Doubtful. But let’s see.
2:55 Verrucci the rat has no fans.
"If you haven't heard about this incident over the weekend then you must be living under a rock"
Me: *watching this over a year later thinking it was a brand new video*
Why Lando is right: "It's a game!!"
Why Ferrucci is wrong: "It's not only a game!!"
exactly. Lol. And people are eating it, that's the worst part. Fuck this channel, honestly. Can´t take their clear bias anymore.
“Just wanted to slow down”
-Lando norris’s Instagram post
if this is the level of maturity of some indy car drivers im glad i dont watch the series
You do know that there is a huge difference between racing irl and in a sim? ^^"
Like get physically hurt or actually lose your seat or get banned for less than that (i.e Santucci in F2)
Indycar is still the best top level open wheeler series in terms of racing at the moment. It's just that in this instance Pagenaud and Ferucci didn't take the game seriously.
This is exactly why it's not "just a game". They are losing fans, sponsors, credibility...
@@nibv6996 That's kind of the point. With no real world consequences, this is how he acts. When there are no repercussions for his actions, at least from his point of view, he runs into people when he knows he's too slow to beat them cleanly. As for your final comment, I think it says a lot against your point that F1 virtual GP highlight reels are usually about 5 minutes long while the Indycar iRacing highlight reel is a minute and a half. They couldn't even find enough action for 2 minutes of content
@@filmandfirearms Personally i don't care much about the sim racing side for the racing itself although the indy 500 race was very entertaining with the restarts and the overtakes and the drama on the last few laps.
As for the last point i was talking about REAL LIFE Indycar, it's just superior in terms of on track actions, heck even the cars are more entertaining to watch and listen to. the racing is way more diverse (Super Speedways, Short Ovals, Street Circuits, old school circuits like barber etc...) The paddock is way more accesible too, very old school. I mean... when was the last time you saw a race to the line in F1?
Don't act like F1 drivers and drivers in other racing leagues havent taken people out on purpose before. And in those cases the real life implications were much greater. Idc what racing you're doing, there is always going to be dirty drivers.
Pagenaud threw his toys out the pram
I don't know why people make a problem of this, I at least consider this just as a game that they play to have some fun.
as said in the video. it may not matter to you. so why would you bother commenting and watching the video.
0:15 ''But why?'' *vsauce music starts playing*
I love how people are saying nothing about Ferrucci, its like they're so used to his shit behaviour now.
Keiran George haha yeah.
Maybe it’s because people expect last year Indy winner to have some decency.
Also maybe lando’s incident came first. After which I stopped watching. So maybe.
Also lando’s post on IG and outreach on internet is so wide. Maybe.
We all know he is insane and dangerous.
Maybe they don't take the sim races seriously because Indycar is already a massive joke in real life.
Jason Kinnear oof
GET LANDO A MCLAREN INDY500 DRIVE
Lando is fast with everything. You can give this guy a sausage as car and he will be fast :-D
He could do that later, but he has another car to race for the moment...
This guy: “That move by Lando is fine bc it’s not real, it’s just iRacing.”
Same guy 2 minutes later: “Ferrucci needs to take this more seriously! iRacing is NOT just a game!”
V8 supercars did an outstanding job of making something out of what I initially thought was nothing. Excellent commentary from Neil Crompton and the racing was serious. The front runners were putting it all in and you could see the real enjoyment and competitive natures on the drivers faces. Max Verstappen, Alexander Rossi and a bunch of other top class runners like Lando Norris and Nascars logano and Marcus Ambrose got involved. It was only about 90% better than I expected and I look forward to the next one. Nothing beats the real thing but V8 supercars delivered a great show on this one.