I know they weren’t as big of a “thing” in the states as in Europe, but I’d love a deep dive into the history of Nokia and Symbian - they really produced some fantastic, genuinely forward-looking devices
Yeah. My (ex) girlfriend had that phone whilst I was still rocking a Sony Cybershot phone. I was completely jealous with all the stuff it could do. Then later the next year, I got the HTC Hero or G2 as it was known here in the UK. Oh, how the tables turned. I miss that glowing trackball.
10 years before, I would have been super amazed, if anyone had told me that we are gonna have 2k, 4k display phones with 93% screen, inscreen finger print scanner and iris scanner and console quality games right on phone. Dslr Like portrait picture right on phone. Damn tech is growing so fast.
Thing is 10 years ago we did have that. Well civilians didn't, but militaries and places like NASA and so on did. New tech always goes to them 1st. Sometimes the tech is made by a company but put on the shelf. Some executive or CEO, some one is charge sometimes doesn't think its gonna be a hit, so the scrap it. Motorola did this with a smartphone in the 80s. Also heard it was the 70's late 70's. Motorola literally just let it all go and put it on the shelf. Prices usually play a factor. While we could have had it back then, the prices would have been insane. For them and us. Sometimes companies rush it without fixing the bugs. This does poor on the market because of it and they scrap it. That's another reason Motorola shelved it back in the 80's.
13 years back I had a phone with full touch screen. It had stylus. I could download apps and games and play on it. Basically i could do almost everything that i do in current smartphone. Phone is Sony Ericsson P910i
Yes, I agree, progress has been rapid. However, the one thing that would have surprised me the most, is if someone had told me that people would start buying $1000+ phones.... how much?
Agreed. I used to only like videos featuring Joshua Topolsky, but Dieter grew on me with his phone reviews back in the day, and now he's my favorite guy at the Verge.
You totally ignored Symbian which was the dominant Operating System for 'smartphones' at the time (and even later) the iPhone arrived. Nokia, Sony (Ericsson) Samsung, LG all made Symbian phones.
I mentioned it briefly, but yes you are correct that Symbian was dominant - but I am not sure it had the potential to play hardball in the way microsoft and google did. - Dieter
Blackberry was bigger than Windows Mobile. Here's a list of Symbian phones from LG : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=20&sOSes=5 Samsung : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sOSes=5 Sony : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=19&sOSes=5 Motorola : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=4&sOSes=5
Who knows what would have happened because Nokia had to compete with a nascent Android (that took off only after 2.2 Froyo, with its in-browser full Adobe Flash support, at that time Nokia was pretty much making its way in MS WinPho 7 camp) I believe Nokia had the potential to play hardball had Elop not happened.
Only out In Europe and stuff, out here in the USA it was all black berry and windows untill the iPhone and Android came out . I remember I wanted one of them expensive Nokia's but they were hard to get here .
"The real reason Google made Android" when you see this video you may think this is a history class by The Verge! but it is not.. they are telling indirectly the Authentic all glass smartphone is invented by apple and android copied it.. Even if this is true.. that is not a valid reason to buy an iPhone today. Now android smartphone available from $50 to more than a $1000. And Android Smartphone helping more people in this world!.. Luxury brands always need something like this to charge more.. Whatever they targeted at first and how bad was android experience was at that time doesn't matter TODAY! Now Top android phones are better than Apple in many areas.. yes you can argue with me all day with this statement. BUT THEY TARGETED WINDOWS FIRST IS NOT THE REASON FOR ME PAYING 2100 USD FOR IPHONE XS MAX 512GB IN INDIA!!. I got s9+ 256GB for $1000 and i can get Note 9 512GB for $1200.. Actually iPhone XR coste more than $1000 here.. so F&&& you Apple..
@@nadeemshaikh7863 So nothing. It's possible to have multiple videos that are all of one kind. One kind of videos. It's correct. "These kinds of videos" is also grammatically correct, but wouldn't make sense in the above comment.
To everyone commenting "Google didn't make Android", He literally address that they bought it in the video, but they development a good bulk of it alongside Rubin. I also think that the title saying "Made" is more in reference to them investing in it and trying to make it what it is rather than them inventing it.
The only thing anyone needs to know about Android is that Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin arrived at the platform's announcement event on rollerblades. Android: Dorky on day one, full dork today.
But before android and iOS phones were kind of different from each other not just becoz of software in fact in hardware form factor like a slider phone sony rotating phones to flip ph like moto razer to Nokia N95 all were different and everyone was crazy to check out each other phones.it was really fun...😃
One of the best times for tech enthusiast. I still miss the days when WebOS, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Android, Symbian and iOS were all fighting for market share
@@SimSquadGaming I still have that phone, I have it in a box in the closet, it still works and everything, I like the OS and the gestures to get to the recent apps, Android P gestures remember me about that phone. I would of been nice to have a follow up of the phone, but sadly that didn't happen.
A K My grandpa was so sad when they discontinued Symbian OS when Nokia switched to android. I never got to try it but he made it sound amazing. Luckily he was able to transfer over to Android.
Microsoft mobile are just available in our part of world in monthly tech magazines and palm were used by only certain segment, symbian os rules the market here in Asia until 2012 or something with samsung dominates together with android and while apple try 2 get visible.
Man the treo was my dream phone back then. I always wanted it but never bought it. Somehow I still like that design. And the Samsung dash8. The designs as Dieter said were nerdy! Now it's just plane slabs. I want that nerdiness!
No way they could've gotten the G1 out in 1-2 years if they were competing/reacting to the iPhone. They HAD to have had it well in development when the iPhone was announced.
Easy if Google targeted Windows, there were many WM PDAs using resistive touchscreen technology. So iPhone just made them more advanced, and WM did also
That was an excellent video, Dieter. I love these "a look back" kinda videos and you should definitely make more. I'd love to see a series of videos that tell how each Android version came to be. That would be interesting because I believe by then, they were competing iOS.
The hardware was terrible. It really showed that it was still a hesitant era. It took 4 years for Android to settle down with the experimental hardware differentiation efforts to not look like the iPhone to finally get rid of unnecessary features and settle for a simple all screen phone, just like the iPhone but with bigger screens like hTC back in 2012-2013.
I kinda miss physical keyboards, which I had on the G1 and the Android teams previous phones, the T-Mobile Sidekick. That physical click of the keys that you could feel under your fingers was really nice.
I think it's pretty bad that every mobile device now is just a big slab with a touch screen. There is no individuality and people who likes physical keys won't find anything to suit them.
I disagree, design is really stale and boring these days, and most importantly functionality decreased. Back then you could launch your camera with the shutter button, control your music with special keys and so on, without even turning on the screen. Now you need the screen for everything, it can be really cumbersome.
Why did Google make Android? You mean Google, the company that bought Android in 2005 for $50 million? Jesus Christ Verge, a quick Google search is all it takes.
TECH HISTORY/NOSTALGIA VIDEO IDEA: Take something that we tend to take for granted everyday through our phones/the internet and track the history of that thing. Like a Tech Timeline. FOR EXAMPLE -- MUSIC: From LPs to Spotify. LPs >>> 8 track >>> cassettes >>> walkman >>> making mix tapes >>> CDs >>> DiscMan >>> MiniDisc? >>> iTunes >>> Napster >>> CD burners >>> Making Mix CDs >>> iPod >>> Making playlists >>> Streaming Music >>> Spotify. You could take the same approach with PHOTOS: 1-hour developing to digital cameras to iPhoto to Instagram. Or even MAPS/NAVIGATION: Paper road maps, to Tom Tom, to Google Maps. Just an idea... Keep making great videos!!!
End of the series should be about Palm since Dieter could make it an extended video based on how much love he still has for the devices. In the mean time, how about history of acquisitions - Motorola, Nokia, etc and these acquisitions changed their approach to Android. Also a history of what Android did before Apple would be a fun one too. Thx for the great videos
I came across this video and at first thought that I know all the android history already but then I saw this was by the verge and especially by Dieter Bohn and saw I watched it! There's always something new in "the verge" videos and that is why I like them, you always get to learn something new! I did not know about this Microsoft thing.
I my first phone was Samsung j3 6 I like it. wish it had the good specs to run pubg and gangster 4 my 2nd phone is LG k30 wish the screen did not crack and it had amoled and 1080p
Interesting video. What surprises me most, though, is the throw-away line about the T-mobile Sidekick ... Remembering that the first edition of THAT phone had a lollipop plug-in camera ... AND the so-called "skroll wheel" for selection ... done by the same core group of engineers ... in *2002*. And zero mention of Danger showing THEIR proto Sidekick to the AAPL engineers who ultimately made the iPhone several years later. Yeah, yeah, i get your Windows Phone reference and concept, but a waffle is more than the syrup you put on it. Right?
Robier Apple, copying Google since day 2. See? Nobody cares. Consumers care about the superior product, relative to their needs. There's a saying in Germany that addresses this. Mercedes-Benzes are designed in Munich, and BMWs in Stuttgart. Both shamelessly steal ideas from each other nobody cares.
Thaaat was pretty friggin' fascinating. Especially the bit at the end about the origin of the back button, home key, etc. springing from Microsoft as opposed to Apple competition. If *I* were me, I would wanna hear much more history in the future about small things like that. What's the story behind the design of a grid of icons being the default interface? Iono, stuff like that.
I thought you were going to mention the Sidekick because in the US it was one of the most popular pre-iPhone smartphones and also was Andy Rubin's company before he left to make Android. You do say "Sidekick" in reference to the opening style of the G1, but it was never as cool as the Sidekick's flip opening!
Another good video by Dieter. I still remember when HTC was basically the king of Android. Back in 2009-10, when I first saw an HTC running Android I was blown away. It seemed so advanced compared to my Nokia XpressMusic (which still runs smoothly)
I did have iphone 4 at the times cause iphones were way popular back i had one in 2014 and expired in 2017 then got iphone 6 used it for an year than got S8+.
The og Moto droid started an obsession for everyone. Also think a detailed web os doc would be great. In general I so badly miss mid 2000s to 2010 tech, there was just so much possibility and enthusiasm
Android has always been better than iOS. Just look at the recent iOS 12 update they're boasting about. It gives you a mere battery statistics which existed in Android since Jellybean and even File view came on iOS with iOS 11 ;D
You don’t have to first to invent or be the best to have a successful product. You just need it to make it easy enough for regular people to use and market it right. Apple is very good when it comes to design, ease of use and marketing. That’s why Apple sells around 200 Million iPhones a year.
@@iMadrid11 well i do agree with wht u said abt marketing. Apple could sell a damn cucumber for 2000$ with blind fans buying. Just look at their latest offerings 😂 Now they're even selling the usb-3.5 mm converter seperately 😬
Chris Bautista ease of use? You dont have to be so smart to use an android.. Apple just so happen to become a status symbol, and probably even ease of choice(they could really just pick latest generation without thinking about other models) And the fact that apple literally lock you in their ecosystem, you tend to just buy their products then And other thing is, teenagers sometimes do boast about having an iphone(disgusting btw cuz they like use 5 or 6 but boast it like they have the X)
I used an HTC touch before the iphone. It had voice commands, a huge amount of programs such as MSN messenger, dos games, native games, all sorts of business related programs and a "Good mobile web/wap browser for the time" . Listening to youtube songs while chatting over MSN over the mobile network on the go felt straight out of the future.
This was a fun video Deiter. How about looking into the flagship phones for the early releases. I remember getting the HTC Evo and being amazed with the google maps navigation. And a kickstand. Always a kickstand.
I dig this video! Interested in more tech history videos like this. I'd be interested in Motorola's history up through getting purchased by Lenovo and how their philosophy and products changed as a result. Mostly interested in the mobile/ smart phone aspect. This would include Moto's partnership with Google to make my favorite phone of all time: the Moto X.
*_Nostalgia intensifies_* These were the times where OEMs innovated and pushed out super interesting stuff. Granted, smartphones have never been better than today, but also have they never been this boring. We need the next big thing.
Could you do a piece on pagers. They were a blip on the radar of telecoms but they played such an important role in our lives for the short time they were used by the masses. I have a certain fondness for pagers as I was homeless in my early twenties and was able to get myself a job and house by having a pager. Within a week of having my pager I was able to rent s room and get off the streets. Haven’t been back since. Thank god for pagers.
Droid X was my first Android. It was when I was in early high school, and my parents refused to let me have a smartphone on their plan because of extra data charges. I bought it used on ebay for like $20 and was stoked! I ended up loaded a custom ROM and overclocking it. It sure was glitchy though, it used to play music after I unplugged headphones until I took the battery out lol. Good times frantically ripping the battery out in first block at school.
I was an iPhone early adopter, but after the iPhone 4, I switched over to Google's Galaxy Nexus by Samsung and have been using Nexus and Pixel devices ever since.
What a fun and unique video! Loved it! I'm an andriod woman...never owned an iPhone. This was fun to watch and interesting....keep up the history approach please!
History of Palm would be very interesting. They were one of the first major players in mobile devices (or "PDAs", as they were called then), and ALMOST became the third mobile company with WebOS (missed it by THAT much).
Look at the Palm Pre! When it launched it was the only other OS that had any sort of chance at contending with iOS and android. looking at it now it was really ahead of its time with the rounded screen edges and screen gestures
My first smartphone was the Android G1 in white. I bought it as soon as the white version came out, and I loved it to death. I don't think I've ever had a phone since that I loved as much as my G1.
"HTC G1 codenamed Dream" Er… it was actually sold outside the US with a different face button layout as the "HTC Dream". I swear, I saw it when it launched on Singtel and there were these newspaper adverts talking about the then-new features of Android.
I had a G1, great phone! Before that I was using my Palm Tungsten C tethered (through IR) to a Nokia something or other (2005 candy bar sized with IR). I've been HTC Android ever since.
I still remember that having a headphone jack was huge feature of for example the nokia express music line or htc android phones (apperently the a bit later ones)
I love my g1, I showed it to everybody and they were amazed at the functionality of it using it everyday. My co-workers used my phone more then I did the first month lol. Reading books and playing emulators, they were obsessed with it that they got the next android phones with 2.0
Awesome video Dieter! I'd love to see something like this about Symbian and it's moment in the sun as the ruling smartphone OS. There's some great stories buried in there, like Sony Ericsson's UIQ flavour VS Nokia s40/60 and the belated attempts to have Symbian compete with iOS and Android. Would love to have your take on that story :)
Lol pre android 1.5 on the g1 it ran with root permissions enabled and if you typed restart the device would since it's a terminal command. I loved that phone.
What was your first Android phone?
oneplus one
Moto X 2nd gen ♥️
Samsung galaxy beam
HTC m8s
HTC desire 310
I know they weren’t as big of a “thing” in the states as in Europe, but I’d love a deep dive into the history of Nokia and Symbian - they really produced some fantastic, genuinely forward-looking devices
The G1 was so legit and fun.
Yeah. My (ex) girlfriend had that phone whilst I was still rocking a Sony Cybershot phone. I was completely jealous with all the stuff it could do. Then later the next year, I got the HTC Hero or G2 as it was known here in the UK. Oh, how the tables turned. I miss that glowing trackball.
Man, these phones are beautiful. Kinda wish they would still be around
AuthenTech - Ben Schmanke
>legit
i dont think this means what u think it means...
It was the first knockoff iPhone, of course it was fun.
I didn't like my Android phones before the T-Mobile Vibrant. I remember that G1 and HTC Magic were laggy.
10 years before, I would have been super amazed, if anyone had told me that we are gonna have 2k, 4k display phones with 93% screen, inscreen finger print scanner and iris scanner and console quality games right on phone. Dslr Like portrait picture right on phone.
Damn tech is growing so fast.
Thing is 10 years ago we did have that. Well civilians didn't, but militaries and places like NASA and so on did. New tech always goes to them 1st. Sometimes the tech is made by a company but put on the shelf. Some executive or CEO, some one is charge sometimes doesn't think its gonna be a hit, so the scrap it. Motorola did this with a smartphone in the 80s. Also heard it was the 70's late 70's. Motorola literally just let it all go and put it on the shelf. Prices usually play a factor. While we could have had it back then, the prices would have been insane. For them and us. Sometimes companies rush it without fixing the bugs. This does poor on the market because of it and they scrap it. That's another reason Motorola shelved it back in the 80's.
My first smartphone had 128mb of ram and a 433 MHz single core processor that could sometimes reach 512 on overclock. Time really flies
13 years back I had a phone with full touch screen. It had stylus. I could download apps and games and play on it. Basically i could do almost everything that i do in current smartphone. Phone is Sony Ericsson P910i
Actually these techs are available 50 years ago..they just hold it back and release slowly..
Yes, I agree, progress has been rapid. However, the one thing that would have surprised me the most, is if someone had told me that people would start buying $1000+ phones.... how much?
I love anything with Dieter in it. Such a likeable guy and very informative. Keep up the good work!
aw too much - Dieter
@@TheVerge 😍
Agreed! More Dieter videos!
And his hairdo keeps constantly changing!
Agreed. I used to only like videos featuring Joshua Topolsky, but Dieter grew on me with his phone reviews back in the day, and now he's my favorite guy at the Verge.
You totally ignored Symbian which was the dominant Operating System for 'smartphones' at the time (and even later) the iPhone arrived. Nokia, Sony (Ericsson) Samsung, LG all made Symbian phones.
I mentioned it briefly, but yes you are correct that Symbian was dominant - but I am not sure it had the potential to play hardball in the way microsoft and google did. - Dieter
Blackberry was bigger than Windows Mobile.
Here's a list of Symbian phones from
LG : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=20&sOSes=5
Samsung : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=9&sOSes=5
Sony : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=19&sOSes=5
Motorola : www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=4&sOSes=5
Who knows what would have happened because Nokia had to compete with a nascent Android (that took off only after 2.2 Froyo, with its in-browser full Adobe Flash support, at that time Nokia was pretty much making its way in MS WinPho 7 camp)
I believe Nokia had the potential to play hardball had Elop not happened.
Only out In Europe and stuff, out here in the USA it was all black berry and windows untill the iPhone and Android came out . I remember I wanted one of them expensive Nokia's but they were hard to get here .
The mda2 and the tmobile wing had the the touch screen and keyboard way before the tmobile g1
And even before Android was put into phones, Android was meant to be OS for camera... if I have my facts right.
so what? software is evolving every day...
> So what?
A: So I am adding more history to "Android" and it's origins...
"The real reason Google made Android" when you see this video you may think this is a history class by The Verge!
but it is not.. they are telling indirectly the Authentic all glass smartphone is invented by apple and android copied it.. Even if this is true.. that is not a valid reason to buy an iPhone today. Now android smartphone available from $50 to more than a $1000. And Android Smartphone helping more people in this world!.. Luxury brands always need something like this to charge more..
Whatever they targeted at first and how bad was android experience was at that time doesn't matter TODAY! Now Top android phones are better than Apple in many areas.. yes you can argue with me all day with this statement. BUT THEY TARGETED WINDOWS FIRST IS NOT THE REASON FOR ME PAYING 2100 USD FOR IPHONE XS MAX 512GB IN INDIA!!. I got s9+ 256GB for $1000 and i can get Note 9 512GB for $1200.. Actually iPhone XR coste more than $1000 here.. so F&&& you Apple..
I love this kind of videos.
these*
‘Kind’ is singular, so ’this kind’ is correct; both grammatically and semantically.
I wanna see more
@@nadeemshaikh7863 So nothing. It's possible to have multiple videos that are all of one kind. One kind of videos. It's correct. "These kinds of videos" is also grammatically correct, but wouldn't make sense in the above comment.
To everyone commenting "Google didn't make Android", He literally address that they bought it in the video, but they development a good bulk of it alongside Rubin.
I also think that the title saying "Made" is more in reference to them investing in it and trying to make it what it is rather than them inventing it.
The only thing anyone needs to know about Android is that Google founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin arrived at the platform's announcement event on rollerblades. Android: Dorky on day one, full dork today.
lollll fair - Dieter
I only use phones with Symbian!
But before android and iOS phones were kind of different from each other not just becoz of software in fact in hardware form factor like a slider phone sony rotating phones to flip ph like moto razer to Nokia N95 all were different and everyone was crazy to check out each other phones.it was really fun...😃
And Siemens
and benq
While we’re at it add ericson, kyocera, panasonic, o2, doopod, sharp
The original iPhone was a Motorola with iTunes called the iTunes phone.
One of the best times for tech enthusiast. I still miss the days when WebOS, Windows Phone, BlackBerry, Android, Symbian and iOS were all fighting for market share
*Does anybody remember the Palm Pre 2, I liked that phone.*
...yes - Dieter
I wanted that phone and wanted a follow up but nothing ever came of it as we all know SOLD!
Loved that phone. Sad it went away so quickly.
@@SimSquadGaming
I still have that phone, I have it in a box in the closet, it still works and everything, I like the OS and the gestures to get to the recent apps, Android P gestures remember me about that phone.
I would of been nice to have a follow up of the phone, but sadly that didn't happen.
what a nice looking interface for that device...
Google BOUGHT Android
THIS IS AFTER IT HAPPENED
I thought android was made by Samsung?
@K.D.P. Ross
It's half correct. Samsung is one of the biggest contributors to the AOSP.
Make a video about nokia's Symbian ... it was an awesome os .. my first two smart phones were Symbian S60 based nokia phones.. they were lit 🔥
A K My grandpa was so sad when they discontinued Symbian OS when Nokia switched to android. I never got to try it but he made it sound amazing. Luckily he was able to transfer over to Android.
Just wondering, are you a US citizen? We only really used Palm and Microsoft smartphones before the iPhone here (well, at least here in NYC)
Microsoft mobile are just available in our part of world in monthly tech magazines and palm were used by only certain segment, symbian os rules the market here in Asia until 2012 or something with samsung dominates together with android and while apple try 2 get visible.
It was good for the time until they released OS9.x where you had to digitally sign every app you install.
Yup series 60 was THE os... It was amazing... It had great games too... I had a nokia ngage, gaming was fun on it
Man the treo was my dream phone back then. I always wanted it but never bought it. Somehow I still like that design. And the Samsung dash8. The designs as Dieter said were nerdy! Now it's just plane slabs. I want that nerdiness!
Verge still has people who know their stuff
@Caleb Otsubo He literally says that in the video, man. Dieter was probably not even the person who made the title. To reiterate, he knows his stuff.
*Interesting...* But wasn't Android actually meant for camera software!
No way they could've gotten the G1 out in 1-2 years if they were competing/reacting to the iPhone. They HAD to have had it well in development when the iPhone was announced.
Easy if Google targeted Windows, there were many WM PDAs using resistive touchscreen technology. So iPhone just made them more advanced, and WM did also
That was an excellent video, Dieter. I love these "a look back" kinda videos and you should definitely make more. I'd love to see a series of videos that tell how each Android version came to be. That would be interesting because I believe by then, they were competing iOS.
The hardware was terrible. It really showed that it was still a hesitant era. It took 4 years for Android to settle down with the experimental hardware differentiation efforts to not look like the iPhone to finally get rid of unnecessary features and settle for a simple all screen phone, just like the iPhone but with bigger screens like hTC back in 2012-2013.
I kinda miss physical keyboards, which I had on the G1 and the Android teams previous phones, the T-Mobile Sidekick. That physical click of the keys that you could feel under your fingers was really nice.
I think it's pretty bad that every mobile device now is just a big slab with a touch screen. There is no individuality and people who likes physical keys won't find anything to suit them.
I disagree, design is really stale and boring these days, and most importantly functionality decreased. Back then you could launch your camera with the shutter button, control your music with special keys and so on, without even turning on the screen. Now you need the screen for everything, it can be really cumbersome.
This video was very refreshing, I wouldn't mind watching more of this content if you guys are willing to produce it.
Google didn't make Android. Google purchased Android. It was originally designed for cameras OS.
He literally said that
I agree
Please continue this series!
Why did Google make Android? You mean Google, the company that bought Android in 2005 for $50 million? Jesus Christ Verge, a quick Google search is all it takes.
you miss to mention about Symbian OS.
TECH HISTORY/NOSTALGIA VIDEO IDEA: Take something that we tend to take for granted everyday through our phones/the internet and track the history of that thing. Like a Tech Timeline. FOR EXAMPLE -- MUSIC: From LPs to Spotify. LPs >>> 8 track >>> cassettes >>> walkman >>> making mix tapes >>> CDs >>> DiscMan >>> MiniDisc? >>> iTunes >>> Napster >>> CD burners >>> Making Mix CDs >>> iPod >>> Making playlists >>> Streaming Music >>> Spotify.
You could take the same approach with PHOTOS: 1-hour developing to digital cameras to iPhoto to Instagram. Or even MAPS/NAVIGATION: Paper road maps, to Tom Tom, to Google Maps. Just an idea... Keep making great videos!!!
dont u need a antistatic wristband to open your slidephone like that?
End of the series should be about Palm since Dieter could make it an extended video based on how much love he still has for the devices. In the mean time, how about history of acquisitions - Motorola, Nokia, etc and these acquisitions changed their approach to Android. Also a history of what Android did before Apple would be a fun one too. Thx for the great videos
The nokia e71 is the most beautiful 'blackberry form factor' phone.
e73
I had an e63 which is basically a cheaper e71 and it was such a comfy phone lol
I came across this video and at first thought that I know all the android history already but then I saw this was by the verge and especially by Dieter Bohn and saw I watched it! There's always something new in "the verge" videos and that is why I like them, you always get to learn something new! I did not know about this Microsoft thing.
Android feels free whereas ios feels like im in Jail
0:44 That enthusiastic "like me!" 😂
please do the episode where steve jobs vowed to fight google to the grave over the " stolen" android system
I remember my dad’s G1. That thing was so cool back in the day.
Google didn't made Android.
He literally says that
Didn't made wow
Google didn't make android, it acquired it. You might want to get the history right.
Awesome video, with a super interesting topic. Please keep making this ‘history-series’, with your great in-depth research. Thanks Verge!
my 1st andriod phone is samsung galaxy ace back in 2011
that way my first experience with andriod
Oh. My first Android phone was a Galaxy Ace as well. Haha. I used to change the ROM like once a week. 😄
Hopefully your first and last experience...
Omg same! I remember using it as well. Galaxy Ace something! But later in 2011 I started using Note. That changed a lot.
Mine was the galaxy music😊
I my first phone was Samsung j3 6 I like it. wish it had the good specs to run pubg and gangster 4 my 2nd phone is LG k30 wish the screen did not crack and it had amoled and 1080p
"Or you were a HUGE NERD,
LIKE MEEE"
Awww Dieter, you're truly the best
... or you were a huge nerd, LikE mE!!!!!
**cringes to death**
Interesting video.
What surprises me most, though, is the throw-away line about the T-mobile Sidekick ...
Remembering that the first edition of THAT phone had a lollipop plug-in camera ... AND the so-called "skroll wheel" for selection ... done by the same core group of engineers ... in *2002*.
And zero mention of Danger showing THEIR proto Sidekick to the AAPL engineers who ultimately made the iPhone several years later.
Yeah, yeah, i get your Windows Phone reference and concept, but a waffle is more than the syrup you put on it. Right?
Casual mention of Andy Rubin. Casual mention of Sidekick. Totally ignored the massive connection.
I had the G1 and loved that phone. The Sidekick was also a super fun game, especially with the AIM client.
Sony
Yeah Sony
This was such a nice nostalgic video. Maybe a nice video about MP3 players and were we are today with streaming everything?
But why Android copy Apple like hell???
Culture????
wtf? wrong
Love these types of videos vs the "review/ad vids"
Android, copying Apple since day 1.
Robier Apple, copying Google since day 2.
See? Nobody cares. Consumers care about the superior product, relative to their needs.
There's a saying in Germany that addresses this. Mercedes-Benzes are designed in Munich, and BMWs in Stuttgart.
Both shamelessly steal ideas from each other nobody cares.
Thaaat was pretty friggin' fascinating. Especially the bit at the end about the origin of the back button, home key, etc. springing from Microsoft as opposed to Apple competition.
If *I* were me, I would wanna hear much more history in the future about small things like that. What's the story behind the design of a grid of icons being the default interface? Iono, stuff like that.
Google never made Android.
Yeah, like he says in the video
@SublimeHawk6 the title doesn't always represent the actual video well. They obviously made the title like that to get more clicks.
Love Dieter's enthusiasm for mid-2000s phone wars!
Google didn’t made android
They bought it
He literally said that
BOUGHT IT
I thought you were going to mention the Sidekick because in the US it was one of the most popular pre-iPhone smartphones and also was Andy Rubin's company before he left to make Android. You do say "Sidekick" in reference to the opening style of the G1, but it was never as cool as the Sidekick's flip opening!
Android is better than iOS like if agree. Proud to be an android user. 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Me too
Another good video by Dieter. I still remember when HTC was basically the king of Android. Back in 2009-10, when I first saw an HTC running Android I was blown away. It seemed so advanced compared to my Nokia XpressMusic (which still runs smoothly)
Big question: DID ANDROID COPY APPLE'S IOS??!
Yes
Google was inspired by the iOS and windows based os. If something already exists doesn't mean you don't have to try your own version.
No, because that's too broad of a category
No but Samsucks did and they got a hefty 8 years battle and now paying apple.
I did have iphone 4 at the times cause iphones were way popular back i had one in 2014 and expired in 2017 then got iphone 6 used it for an year than got S8+.
The og Moto droid started an obsession for everyone. Also think a detailed web os doc would be great.
In general I so badly miss mid 2000s to 2010 tech, there was just so much possibility and enthusiasm
Android has always been better than iOS. Just look at the recent iOS 12 update they're boasting about. It gives you a mere battery statistics which existed in Android since Jellybean and even File view came on iOS with iOS 11 ;D
You don’t have to first to invent or be the best to have a successful product. You just need it to make it easy enough for regular people to use and market it right. Apple is very good when it comes to design, ease of use and marketing. That’s why Apple sells around 200 Million iPhones a year.
@@iMadrid11 well i do agree with wht u said abt marketing. Apple could sell a damn cucumber for 2000$ with blind fans buying. Just look at their latest offerings 😂
Now they're even selling the usb-3.5 mm converter seperately 😬
Chris Bautista ease of use? You dont have to be so smart to use an android..
Apple just so happen to become a status symbol, and probably even ease of choice(they could really just pick latest generation without thinking about other models)
And the fact that apple literally lock you in their ecosystem, you tend to just buy their products then
And other thing is, teenagers sometimes do boast about having an iphone(disgusting btw cuz they like use 5 or 6 but boast it like they have the X)
LoopTLoop LTL - iOS is pretty much fool proof for non-technical users. Try explaining Android App Permissions settings to your Grandmother.
Chris Bautista Try using an iPhone if you've grown up with Android. It's a nightmare
I used an HTC touch before the iphone. It had voice commands, a huge amount of programs such as MSN messenger, dos games, native games, all sorts of business related programs and a "Good mobile web/wap browser for the time" .
Listening to youtube songs while chatting over MSN over the mobile network on the go felt straight out of the future.
Iphone has way much better history, it almost started and enovated everything
No??
Android was before Ios. and LG and Samsung had Smartphone patents before Iphone came out
This was a fun video Deiter. How about looking into the flagship phones for the early releases. I remember getting the HTC Evo and being amazed with the google maps navigation. And a kickstand. Always a kickstand.
I dig this video! Interested in more tech history videos like this. I'd be interested in Motorola's history up through getting purchased by Lenovo and how their philosophy and products changed as a result. Mostly interested in the mobile/ smart phone aspect. This would include Moto's partnership with Google to make my favorite phone of all time: the Moto X.
*_Nostalgia intensifies_*
These were the times where OEMs innovated and pushed out super interesting stuff. Granted, smartphones have never been better than today, but also have they never been this boring. We need the next big thing.
Love this. I started following Dieter back on the precentral forums for webos.
The Best Video of its kind. What ever you explained was really Helpful and worth knowing.
great investigation Sherlock, thanks Dieter, great video ;-) Please do as many Techy geeky history videos as you can ! Cheers
Could you do a piece on pagers. They were a blip on the radar of telecoms but they played such an important role in our lives for the short time they were used by the masses. I have a certain fondness for pagers as I was homeless in my early twenties and was able to get myself a job and house by having a pager. Within a week of having my pager I was able to rent s room and get off the streets. Haven’t been back since. Thank god for pagers.
Great Work Behind! That's a Lot of History Behind Android!
Loved this! Keep em coming!
I'd be interested in the transition from Gingerbread to Ice Cream Sandwich.
Droid X was my first Android. It was when I was in early high school, and my parents refused to let me have a smartphone on their plan because of extra data charges. I bought it used on ebay for like $20 and was stoked! I ended up loaded a custom ROM and overclocking it. It sure was glitchy though, it used to play music after I unplugged headphones until I took the battery out lol. Good times frantically ripping the battery out in first block at school.
Dieter it's a pleasure to watch you. The reason i love verge is you thankyou for all the great content on verge.
I was an iPhone early adopter, but after the iPhone 4, I switched over to Google's Galaxy Nexus by Samsung and have been using Nexus and Pixel devices ever since.
Great video and love your videos especially
So cool :). Love the idea of this series.
What a fun and unique video! Loved it! I'm an andriod woman...never owned an iPhone. This was fun to watch and interesting....keep up the history approach please!
Loved the trip in time!
My first phone was a 3.2 inch 480x360 phone ! I was actually impressed by how sharper the screen looked compared to my PSP at the time lol.
Back in the day when google had a mapping app for windows mobile. Great video!
Wow. Good quality. Subbed
Google got into OS systems for mobile phones one reason. Advertising
Offer a free platform it could monopolize its advertising on
You should make a video of the evolution of early Android phones. When did they first become GOOD? I might say it really started with the HTC One m7.
History of Palm would be very interesting. They were one of the first major players in mobile devices (or "PDAs", as they were called then), and ALMOST became the third mobile company with WebOS (missed it by THAT much).
Look at the Palm Pre! When it launched it was the only other OS that had any sort of chance at contending with iOS and android. looking at it now it was really ahead of its time with the rounded screen edges and screen gestures
I remember running Android on my HTC Windows phone off an SD card. Those were exciting days
Great video Dieter!
My first smartphone was the Android G1 in white. I bought it as soon as the white version came out, and I loved it to death. I don't think I've ever had a phone since that I loved as much as my G1.
I love these videos. I hope you guys keep this up. Very insightful.
"HTC G1 codenamed Dream"
Er… it was actually sold outside the US with a different face button layout as the "HTC Dream". I swear, I saw it when it launched on Singtel and there were these newspaper adverts talking about the then-new features of Android.
I had a G1, great phone! Before that I was using my Palm Tungsten C tethered (through IR) to a Nokia something or other (2005 candy bar sized with IR). I've been HTC Android ever since.
I love the Strong Bad reference! Man I miss Homestarrunner
Fit in the “Palm” of your hand and then you cut to a Palm. BRILLIANT!!
I still remember that having a headphone jack was huge feature of for example the nokia express music line or htc android phones (apperently the a bit later ones)
The history of home movies. From VHS to Netflix and Blu-ray for example.
I love my g1, I showed it to everybody and they were amazed at the functionality of it using it everyday. My co-workers used my phone more then I did the first month lol. Reading books and playing emulators, they were obsessed with it that they got the next android phones with 2.0
Awesome video Dieter! I'd love to see something like this about Symbian and it's moment in the sun as the ruling smartphone OS. There's some great stories buried in there, like Sony Ericsson's UIQ flavour VS Nokia s40/60 and the belated attempts to have Symbian compete with iOS and Android. Would love to have your take on that story :)
2010, Motorola Flipout, my first ever Android phone. Wow, it's been 8 years, still on Android
Lol pre android 1.5 on the g1 it ran with root permissions enabled and if you typed restart the device would since it's a terminal command.
I loved that phone.
Excellent video, thumbs up!
Google bought android, not made
History of how updates rolled out?, And/or
how working with different manufacturers works, and/or
why Samsung became the dominant manufacturer.
Ahh, the "jog dial". The great-grandfather of the Apple Watch's digital crown.