folks, it appears a beta 'jimothy cool' was found in the leaks. it appears at the time the name for jimothy was instead 'jimmy awesome.' the reason as to this change in naming is unknown, this is astounding folks.
Why are most of them evil?! So that's the Pokémon creation process? Create an abomination and then tone it down to make it child friendly? Mind blowing.
Considering this was the early 2000s, there was a huge trend of the time to make everything "gritty", "dark", "realistic", and 50 shades of brown so they weren't just "baby games". An not only in Gears of War and Call of Duty-type games, we got Shadow the Hedgehog introducing guns, child murder, and over top angst to the Sonic franchise. Jak and Daxter goes from a colorful fantasy Banjo Kazooie clone to a cyberpunk-dystopia Grand Theft Auto clone. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker notably didn't go the dark realistic route and got raked over the coals for it. So it doesn't surprise me that some people wanted to take pokemon in a darker, grittier direction, but it looks like they got shot down. The closest we got to gritty Pokemon was Pokemon Colosseum and that was this generation however.
1. Gen 1 started as a kaiju game so that design philosophy could be there. Although they quickly realized baby pokemons are more marketable at Gen 2, so it might be more of some baby pokemons for girls and some kaiju pokemons for boys kind of approach. 2. Pokemon have types like Dark, Ghost, Poison, and Psychic. So the horror theme is always there. Gotta make some creepy ones for sure. 3. Gen 3 definitely have "foreign beings" as one of their concepts, mainly manifests in Regi's, Deoxys, and possibly Groudon, Kyogre & Rayquaza. Some more pokemons may have started as ancient or space pokemons.
6:24 I think it's supposed to be a beta Shiftry since Shiftry is based on the Tengu, a yokai with a long nose, weilds fans, and wears wooden clog shoes (something that kept through to Shiftry's final design). The beta is also red like shiny Shiftry which again references how the Tengu is depicted as having red skin.
Pokemon Historian Dr. Lava once said that, according to some Japanese interview, Game Freak wanted to completely reboot Pokemon into the third generation. So maybe those nightmarish and more edgier concept arts reflect this idea and Pokemon was supposed to go in the direction and styles of Digimon and Monster Hunter at some point, but then they decided to stay and stick in their more child-friendly style?
Some of them are similar to they finally designs some almost identical so the things he first showed must of been from that bit of development while the other ones were when it changed back to be mostly friendly
@@azeria1 Beta Cacturne and beta "Metagross" look somewhat similar to their final forms, though the concept art isn't traditional style and is more edgier and nightmarish than usual. But the two stone "dogs" (maybe beta Lycanrock forms from the gen3?), some kind of plasma dog (maybe beta Zygarde from the gen3?), Unown patterned stone abomination (maybe beta Stahataka from the gen3?), blue quadruped horn creature (maybe beta Coballion from the gen3?), maul-tailed stone creature (maybe beta Terrakion from the gen3?), semi-humanoid fishman creature (maybe Kuo-toa or Locathah rip-off?) and hiding potted creature (maybe beta Pumpkaboo from the gen3?) don't look as traditional pokemon as those two but would be better suited to games in the Monster Hunter series.
@@N0Camping4U I have understood that Dr. Lava is currently retired, but he still occasionally writes and hosts episodes for Did You Know Gaming. Edit: light correction, this leak seems to have reactivated him and Dr. Lava is now making new posts agen.
One of the criticisms of Gen 2’s Pokémon designs was that they were too cute and friendly, likely with the additions of baby Pokémon adding to that. Not to mention a lot of the tougher looking Pokémon are found only in the postgame. Houndoom, Tyranitar, etc. only steelix really comes to mind. The Gen 1 feel of normal to cute looking animals eventually looking more badass battle monsters was missing, especially in the starters. Typhlosion and Meganium don’t really impose themselves like Charizard and Venusaur and Feraligatr is ok but mostly just a normal crocodile. Blastoise has cannons on its back. So maybe they wanted to make things a little “edgier” and then toned them back down a bit.
1:12 Alternate timeline Jimothy: "And a lot of people are saying something that I disagree with: that this should have been the starter that ended up in gen 3 instead of Rabbitube. I think that Rabbitube is an improvement over this. This is a cool character but Hareicane ended up being one of the greatest Pokémon of all time. Competitively, casually, everything. A world without Hareicane is a scary one that I don't want to be a part of."
I was thinking something like that. If it was water/flying, but got magic guard as a hidden ability, it could remain viable after gen4. Water/flying is a nice defensive typing without having to worry about stealth rocks, and airslash + scald would be handy stab/utility.
I think Ken Sugimori has said in interviews that Gen 3 was frustrating for the programmers because he kept changing the designs because he experimented a lot for Ruby and Sapphire to find his own artstyle. Stuff like removing the tail of a Pokémon after the programmers already gave it Tail related moves
@lelandwhitehead56 considering it's most definitely partner of Delibird got a robot form, yeah the gift tortoise would've probably gotten a scarlet paradox mon with big defensive stats and slack off.
Reading the Gamefreak notes on some of the beta designs are fasinating - Banette's Zipper was said to look "too artificial", Duskull "looks like Shy Guy", Trapinch "I'd like it to evolve into a Mayfly", Tropius "Perhaps we could put more emphasis on the Bananas", Numel "Doesn't look like a Camperupt pre-evolution" (the beta Numel had very little itteration). Very insightful into what the Design process was like back in Gen 3 development
There's like a knott behind Pelipers head, like it's beak is actually a tied bandana around it's mouth. It's like a robber. That's actually pretty clever
OK hear me out, but I think gift turtle eventually became Torkoal: What do nice kids get for Christmas? Presents. What do naughty kids get instead? Coal. Tor-koal.
I think it might have been the "Mystery Box" Pokémon idea that was going to be added to Gen 3. There was an older "leak" talking about a pokemon that had a "randomized" evolution gimmick that was later reworked and given to Wurmple. If its true then we're finally seeing what it originally was going to look like. That said, i can kind of see Torkoal too
I dont think that’s a disc of gold on sableye, I think it’s supposed to be its eye magnified by the crystal lens it’s carrying. Kinda cartoony and adorable
i like looking at the designs that didnt really change in beta. like vibrava or the lati twins. they drew those and were like "yea i nailed this shit" and stayed relatively unchanged. also beta cacturne will haunt me in my nightmares tonight
I think the "this doesn't look like pokemon" argument shouldn't count for reasons to not include them in the game. I'm pretty sure a lot of pokemon designs started of as some lovecraftian monstrosity that does not fit at all, which then iteratively gets turned into an actual pokemon that fits. Look at cacturne for example, the developers need inspiration and then turn that inspiration into something child appropriate.
The way I see it is back in the day not everyone was trying to copy one art style and remember how weird gen 1 sprites looked. They probably did a pass to make them all fit the pkmn art style after artists made roughs.
Early designs were really similar to Dragon Quest's monster designs, some of these betas feel like "design the Dragon Quest monster that we would make into a pokémon."
i think they're more concerned with the 2000+ instances of private data breaches on current and former GF employees and the years worth of future content that got leaked than with Jimbo looking at non-canon nuzleaf 22 years after it was drawn
A few things people have missed: 1. That bulky manectric 7:08 is actually a planned manectric evo! 2. The realistic drawings are all done by Jun Okutani: art director of the game magatama which explains a lot 3. At 5:13 , the little black thing was a mono rock type. It’s name is kuroboshi and it has a few Pokédex entries about it, namely how it likes the rain and is off-putting to people because of its face 4. I don’t think this is in the video, but there was originally a baby form for the Makuhita line that has its own beta sprite 5. There are dev notes for these beta Pokémon, some are interesting like how duskull was called too similar to shy guy and how numel “doesn’t look close enough to camerupt” I have a link to the full document with Pokédex entries and dev notes If y’all want 6. 7:32 all of the castform forms have different names! Originally called sansan, zaazaa, and googoo in that order 7. 8:49 this guy is in the same Pokédex spot where dusclops is for some reason. Doubt it is dusclops so maybe duskull was planned to be a single stage at first? 8. It’s name is Tinkii. Comes right before relicanth in the pokedex so possible super early prevo 9. 10:44 scrapped because it was too similar to sudowoodoo, maybe a rock type? 10. 11:14 the one on the left is masquerain beta and the one on the right is sableye. Sableye Pokédex entries all talk about how good its eyesight is. 11. The water bunny starter’s name is warabitto! 12. 11:42 top right is a normal type named ubausagi that is called the foster pokemon. Pokedex entries talk about how it cares for all babies including those that aren’t it’s own. Bottom right with the yellow horn was a scrapped electric type named kodomin and is thought to be inspiration for toxitricity. Bottom middle was scrapped for being too similar to politoed and was reworked into seismitoad line for gen 5 13. 11:49 this guy shares wingulls pokedex spot, not directly a beta volbeat but probably inspired it 14. 11:56 these guys all made it very late into development. Left is a grass type inspired by gyaru fashion that acts similar to belossom middle is a grass/water type named kanbok that acted as a sprinkler and the right one is a ghost type named komari that was like a spirit guide Pokémon known for having bell like ears that chimed. All have official sugomori art 15. Flygon line was originally not related to trapinch at all and were all bug/flying types! 16. 13:23 dev notes actually mention beta Breloom being similar to a chocobo!
When I saw the sprites at the beginning a part of me said this may be an AI hoax, but given some of the designs shown later on with the spider and interdimensional dog (I think it's related to Dialga/Palkia), there was a really talented artist at Game Freak who made designs for the wrong RPG company
The beta Clampearl art actually makes so much more sense as to why it has the strange split evolution line into either Huntail or Gorebyss, especially with the beta Huntail art for reference. Each evolution was literally meant to be one side of Clampearl--either the shell or the pearl inside--taking prominence while the other became vestigial. In the end the redesigns we got don't really convey that and the strange split evolution ironically ended up becoming a vestigial remnant of the original concept.
love how they had an artist with such a different, horror themed style to help pitch designs too. clearly helped to get some cool ideas in there even if they had to be reinterpreted to match the franchise artstyle
10:35 I'd wager this is actually Torkoal's beta design. Christmas (a day associated with brightly colored wrapped gifts as this turtle appears) has a tradition of giving coal as a 'present' for naughty children
the beak is like a tied on mask, i kinda like it. And the wingull could have leaned into gulls stealing food? Theres something there, but they clearly went a more no nonsense direction
Ken Sugimori just sat down and drew 300 characters and they picked some 150 of them. Crazy to think one of these could have a been a huge hit and appeared in future games and had new forms and evolutions but now it's just languishing in an old drive somewhere to the end of time.
11:30 The Ruby/Sapphire Beta Sharpedo look like it is the half way between the gen 2 beta Shark Pokemon and the final Sharpedo Design. The Tail is still an anchor in this design but it has been made to look more like a natural tail than the Gen 2 version. And they introduced the "X" that is on the final version, but have not made it colorful yet. It really captures the process of refining the design.
2:40 With a friend we agreed that it's probably a really beta design (or future inspiration) of 10% Zygarde, the head being completed and the rest of the body just held together by some kind of cytoskeleton makes me think of an incomplete creature
4:02 I think that’s meant to be an interpretation of MissingNo. Like an attempt to make it canon, or nod to it. I think it’s clever, and would have loved to have seen something like it implemented. Maybe he has an ability that doubles its held item or something lol.
Very glad we got Mudkip instead but damn, I'd have loved a Water starter not based on an aquatic animal. It's so boring how every Water starter (except arguably Sobble) has to be an animal known for swimming while Fire and Grass get to do whatever they feel like
11:02 I think this concept was eventually developed into Bonsly. There isn't much visual similarity, but some of the leaked internal design notes say this one feels too much like Sudowoodo, which I don't necessarily agree with but could have easily led to the development of an actual pre-sudowoodo for the next generation.
You know, that Beta Metagross thing (the bony spider) looks kinda cute. I've now got a soft spot for these freaky designs. They really put the "monster" in Pocket Monster with those designs
I'm pretty curious about all these terrifying designs for gen 3. If only the GBA had enough pixels to capture these designs then perhaps GameFreak was planning to permanently take Pokémon in an extremely unexpected and disturbing horror direction and mentally scar a generation of the world's children.
The guy who drew all of the realistic concept art was Jun Okutani, he was the art director on a pretty rare game called Magatama if you google it it makes sense why the concept art looks so spooky
I feel that the fact none of these show early art of the pokemon Iron Mugulus is concerning, and we should not understate the possibility of his participat
I imagine the tornado Castform is Sandstorm. It must’ve been at a point before they added Hail so they were going off of the weathers that were available in Gen 2 For beta Sableye, I think that the yellow circle is just its eye, which the crystal its holding is magnifying It seems like elements of Quaquaval’s design were taken from beta Pelipper maybe?
i imagine what happens is they hire concept artists who are just GOOD artists, without caring if the style matches pokemon and then change their designs to match pokemon its a good way to get more original ideas instead ones that get stale
I am from the timeline with Drifttide (the water bunny you were talking about)... I must say Swampert is very cool and all but Drifttide was truly a monster. Its ability gave it the ability to essentially terastalize (in gen 3). I prefer swampert because its much more balanced and a truly lovely dude
Beta Clamperl highlights the theory that the clam and the perl are two different entities, and that the pink pearl evolves into gorebyss and the blue clam evolves into huntail
The rune like pokemon has unowns in them, which is interesting to note I think the creepy pokemon concept art are of early pokemon bosses, kind of like alpha and totem pokemon
9:34 Ok, that sprite is legitimately creepy. I feel like it's staring right through me, waiting for me to let down my guard so it can can murder me, for no other reason than because it can.
I love beta Cacturne, I believe this is what the pokedex entries are actually talking about. I also love how these beta sprites look like the GBC / Gen 2 sprites a bit. Its like an alternate reality where the GBC had a longer lifespan.
With beta Sableye, he’s holding a reflective object that he’s looking through and the huge circular thing is actually his eye (enlarged since the surface is distorting it). It’s a brilliant design that I really like.
There's some speculation that the pokemon at 4:19 is meant to be a canonisation of missingno. If you looks closely it shares the same shape and the strange inscriptions on it resemble the pixels of missingno
The third design actually looks like sharpedo if you take away the body and put fins on the head. It probably inspired the threatening look of sharpedo imo
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folks, it appears a beta 'jimothy cool' was found in the leaks. it appears at the time the name for jimothy was instead 'jimmy awesome.' the reason as to this change in naming is unknown, this is astounding folks.
jimmy awesome sprite at 14:03
Reportedlt, he looks exactly like jimothy but with sunglasses
@@xera5196This game me a good laugh, thank you
I believe Jimmy defecated through a sunroof and had to change his identity
@@RealYaoi Jimmy awesome is his paradox form
Why are most of them evil?! So that's the Pokémon creation process? Create an abomination and then tone it down to make it child friendly? Mind blowing.
Considering this was the early 2000s, there was a huge trend of the time to make everything "gritty", "dark", "realistic", and 50 shades of brown so they weren't just "baby games". An not only in Gears of War and Call of Duty-type games, we got Shadow the Hedgehog introducing guns, child murder, and over top angst to the Sonic franchise. Jak and Daxter goes from a colorful fantasy Banjo Kazooie clone to a cyberpunk-dystopia Grand Theft Auto clone. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker notably didn't go the dark realistic route and got raked over the coals for it.
So it doesn't surprise me that some people wanted to take pokemon in a darker, grittier direction, but it looks like they got shot down. The closest we got to gritty Pokemon was Pokemon Colosseum and that was this generation however.
Someone said this is Masuda’s artstyle??? If that’s true then this man frightens me
@@zobblewobble1770Which is ironic because Wind Waker was actually dark too (just as the fans asked), being only faulty of _looking_ child-friendly
They are called Pocket Monsters for a reason
1. Gen 1 started as a kaiju game so that design philosophy could be there. Although they quickly realized baby pokemons are more marketable at Gen 2, so it might be more of some baby pokemons for girls and some kaiju pokemons for boys kind of approach.
2. Pokemon have types like Dark, Ghost, Poison, and Psychic. So the horror theme is always there. Gotta make some creepy ones for sure.
3. Gen 3 definitely have "foreign beings" as one of their concepts, mainly manifests in Regi's, Deoxys, and possibly Groudon, Kyogre & Rayquaza. Some more pokemons may have started as ancient or space pokemons.
These Pokemon are nonsense and do not exist. Pay no attention to them. I was not forced to write this by Iron Fellow.
I believe you. Iron fellow had nothing to do with this. Clearly. What a ridiculous notion. Could you even imagine? Impossible.
So is this video real or fake?
@@dr.metroid6119yes
@@dr.metroid6119 It's not April 1st there's no way this is fake
@@Lorenzo-bo7id I thought that spider metagross was too scary.... Should have known...
6:24 I think it's supposed to be a beta Shiftry since Shiftry is based on the Tengu, a yokai with a long nose, weilds fans, and wears wooden clog shoes (something that kept through to Shiftry's final design). The beta is also red like shiny Shiftry which again references how the Tengu is depicted as having red skin.
We were robbed of that Shitry design.
I concur it being beta shiftry that is based on a tengu
That's Nuzleaf actually.
Yeah, it’s 100% beta Shiftry. The Tengu nose and sandals give it away.
One thing I like about beta Pokemon is that you can really see what the idea behind the Pokemon originally was. Like how remoraid was a fucking gun.
Pokemon Historian Dr. Lava once said that, according to some Japanese interview, Game Freak wanted to completely reboot Pokemon into the third generation. So maybe those nightmarish and more edgier concept arts reflect this idea and Pokemon was supposed to go in the direction and styles of Digimon and Monster Hunter at some point, but then they decided to stay and stick in their more child-friendly style?
Some of them are similar to they finally designs some almost identical so the things he first showed must of been from that bit of development while the other ones were when it changed back to be mostly friendly
@@azeria1 Beta Cacturne and beta "Metagross" look somewhat similar to their final forms, though the concept art isn't traditional style and is more edgier and nightmarish than usual. But the two stone "dogs" (maybe beta Lycanrock forms from the gen3?), some kind of plasma dog (maybe beta Zygarde from the gen3?), Unown patterned stone abomination (maybe beta Stahataka from the gen3?), blue quadruped horn creature (maybe beta Coballion from the gen3?), maul-tailed stone creature (maybe beta Terrakion from the gen3?), semi-humanoid fishman creature (maybe Kuo-toa or Locathah rip-off?) and hiding potted creature (maybe beta Pumpkaboo from the gen3?) don't look as traditional pokemon as those two but would be better suited to games in the Monster Hunter series.
is dr lava still around/. hasnt posted in forever
@@N0Camping4U I have understood that Dr. Lava is currently retired, but he still occasionally writes and hosts episodes for Did You Know Gaming.
Edit: light correction, this leak seems to have reactivated him and Dr. Lava is now making new posts agen.
One of the criticisms of Gen 2’s Pokémon designs was that they were too cute and friendly, likely with the additions of baby Pokémon adding to that. Not to mention a lot of the tougher looking Pokémon are found only in the postgame. Houndoom, Tyranitar, etc. only steelix really comes to mind. The Gen 1 feel of normal to cute looking animals eventually looking more badass battle monsters was missing, especially in the starters. Typhlosion and Meganium don’t really impose themselves like Charizard and Venusaur and Feraligatr is ok but mostly just a normal crocodile. Blastoise has cannons on its back. So maybe they wanted to make things a little “edgier” and then toned them back down a bit.
1:12 Alternate timeline Jimothy: "And a lot of people are saying something that I disagree with: that this should have been the starter that ended up in gen 3 instead of Rabbitube. I think that Rabbitube is an improvement over this. This is a cool character but Hareicane ended up being one of the greatest Pokémon of all time. Competitively, casually, everything. A world without Hareicane is a scary one that I don't want to be a part of."
“if we instead had a water monster instead of Hareicane… i don’t wanna know what that future looked like”
"What is this, some sort of Water/Ground Axolotl? We already got that when they released Paldean Whooper"
@@jazzisfrommars2476 *Johtonian Whooper
I was thinking something like that. If it was water/flying, but got magic guard as a hidden ability, it could remain viable after gen4. Water/flying is a nice defensive typing without having to worry about stealth rocks, and airslash + scald would be handy stab/utility.
Hareicane is a really nice name for a hypothetical final stage actually
the proto cacturne is the explanation why this thing only has 55 speed
Yeah probably
I think Ken Sugimori has said in interviews that Gen 3 was frustrating for the programmers because he kept changing the designs because he experimented a lot for Ruby and Sapphire to find his own artstyle. Stuff like removing the tail of a Pokémon after the programmers already gave it Tail related moves
You wouldn't know the first thing about Pelipper's Past.
Delinquent Peliper.
He served his time in stall prison and turned a new leaf.
I only just realized now, but that beta sableye is holding a magnifying glass, that golden disk is its eye!
I'm still choosing to believe he has earned a gold record in this universe
Yeah it's kinda funny how much it resembles the Ruin Maniac trainer sprite from the final games
It’s interesting that’s it has shuppet’s head spike too XD
I realised its eye did look larger because of the piece of glass.
Had gift turtle been in the games we would now have a paradox pokemon called iron cube with 350 base defense, we may have dodged a bullet there folks
Or it’s past Paradox form, Great Shell
@lelandwhitehead56 future form iron carapace
A name for its normal version that I'll propose: Generoise
Generous + Tortoise
Perhaps it would be called "iron bundle" this is a name of my own creation
@lelandwhitehead56 considering it's most definitely partner of Delibird got a robot form, yeah the gift tortoise would've probably gotten a scarlet paradox mon with big defensive stats and slack off.
Reading the Gamefreak notes on some of the beta designs are fasinating - Banette's Zipper was said to look "too artificial", Duskull "looks like Shy Guy", Trapinch "I'd like it to evolve into a Mayfly", Tropius "Perhaps we could put more emphasis on the Bananas", Numel "Doesn't look like a Camperupt pre-evolution" (the beta Numel had very little itteration). Very insightful into what the Design process was like back in Gen 3 development
where can you read the gamefreak notes?
more banana i say
trapinch actually shot the original vibrava prevo during development to take its place; we need to uncover this scandal
There's like a knott behind Pelipers head, like it's beak is actually a tied bandana around it's mouth. It's like a robber. That's actually pretty clever
I want him to be a neckbeard with a ponytail
😂@@BBWahoo
i thought it was more like a bib
Thats honestly a better design than the pelipper we got
considering IRL seaguls and pelicans are food bandits that's cool!
I liked that we got to see the Blaziken/Latias hybrid pokemon in sprite form as that was some concept art that was officially revealed at one point
crazy yet is finding it was supposed to be a delibird evolution
@@inktendo Delibird being the base for Latias Latios and Blaziken is insane
(me when i fall for misinformation)
@@inktendoit isn't apparently that's misinformation I think we have to wait a bit for accurate information about any of these
@@inktendo me when I spread unsubstantiated information on the internet
@@inktendo nnnno i don't think so? there was a prevo of delibird in the files that was based on a bowling pin, maybe that's what you mixed up?
OK hear me out, but I think gift turtle eventually became Torkoal:
What do nice kids get for Christmas? Presents.
What do naughty kids get instead? Coal.
Tor-koal.
I would've liked some krampus inspiration
That's an elevated level of thinking, my friend.
I think it might have been the "Mystery Box" Pokémon idea that was going to be added to Gen 3. There was an older "leak" talking about a pokemon that had a "randomized" evolution gimmick that was later reworked and given to Wurmple. If its true then we're finally seeing what it originally was going to look like.
That said, i can kind of see Torkoal too
bonus: it's a box turtle
so were we naughty in 2001
I dont think that’s a disc of gold on sableye, I think it’s supposed to be its eye magnified by the crystal lens it’s carrying. Kinda cartoony and adorable
That's cool.
5:55 I prefer this version of Pelipper because it has a defined body. Actual Pelipper's beak is also it's butt and this has always concerned me
Shedninja actually looks more like the thing it’s based on; the shell of a cicada. But yeah, that change was for the best because that dude is freaky
That's Cacturne in sand.
We need Sand Rush cacturne
i like looking at the designs that didnt really change in beta. like vibrava or the lati twins. they drew those and were like "yea i nailed this shit" and stayed relatively unchanged. also beta cacturne will haunt me in my nightmares tonight
You misspelled every future night.
Maybe a few days too. Like all of them.
yea i love beta trapinch as well that mf is cool as hell
Prototype Cacturn should be used for a Mega Cacturn.
Also we were robbed of prototype chonker Simisear.
I think the "this doesn't look like pokemon" argument shouldn't count for reasons to not include them in the game. I'm pretty sure a lot of pokemon designs started of as some lovecraftian monstrosity that does not fit at all, which then iteratively gets turned into an actual pokemon that fits. Look at cacturne for example, the developers need inspiration and then turn that inspiration into something child appropriate.
I'd love to see fakemon artists interpret their own takes on the mons.
The way I see it is back in the day not everyone was trying to copy one art style and remember how weird gen 1 sprites looked. They probably did a pass to make them all fit the pkmn art style after artists made roughs.
I think you misunderstood the space wolf one. Pretty sure it’s supposed to a constellation (Lupus), combined maybe with an Aurora borealis.
I was under the impression it's likely some sort of prototype manectric and the energy was an artists interpretation of electricity or plasma.
@@HitanBotnaw we see manecttic hes pretty close to the original
@@azeria1 could be different times in development
Yeah I feel like it’s a concept for a legendary that has powers over the cosmos/universe in a way prior to palkia dialga and arceus and everything
Kinda looked like a dog of Kitkalos (sorry if I butchered the name) a creation of H.P Lovecraft
1:54 Metagross actually used to look gross 💀
More like Megagross.
Bro put the gross in metagross
Can't believe we almost got a peacock pokemon that's just a regular peacock.
We got a flamingo Pokémon that’s just a flamingo
@@陳嘉宇-y4qNuh uh, he's your Amigo
@@陳嘉宇-y4q It's a flamingo that punches things really hard
@@陳嘉宇-y4q And a seal pokemon that's literally just a seal (it has a horn so it's actually a pokemon obv)
@@陳嘉宇-y4qAnd a Toucan thats just a toucan
I LOVE THE RABBIT, but i love mudkip more, i aint wanna see NO SLANDER on mudkip
Anyone who says Floatbunny should have replaced Mudkip is cracked. Mudkip is one of the cutest, best and most iconic starters of all time.
I herd u liek mudkipz
Used to like mudkip but damn is it's whole line just kind of ugly in a not even cute way ugly
@@excalibur2772 Mudkip is cute and swampert is cool ignore marshtomp
"Is this lanturn"
Clasic gen2/gen3 confusion, only behind slugma and skarmory
I remember when I found Chinchou fishing as a kid and every other playthrough of Crystal had me fishing for one.
also spinarak and shuckle
I reckon the gift turtle at 10:37 later turned into Torkoal - it has the same body
We didn't deserve a gift, we got only coal for christmas
@@chivix4949 no way they planned this
@@chivix4949
Gemmy
Early designs were really similar to Dragon Quest's monster designs, some of these betas feel like "design the Dragon Quest monster that we would make into a pokémon."
The cacturne looks like an enemy that would be found in a dungeon crawler
"Yup, you're banned"
- Nintendo
i think they're more concerned with the 2000+ instances of private data breaches on current and former GF employees and the years worth of future content that got leaked than with Jimbo looking at non-canon nuzleaf 22 years after it was drawn
@@handoverthestromboli6715 Nah they totally care about Jimothy, he knew about Iron Fellow 22 years in advance, he knows too much and must be stopped.
@@servilleta__6075 Theres also an evil gold pokemon in the gen 3 sprites. He knew about Old Money. My god...
A few things people have missed:
1. That bulky manectric 7:08 is actually a planned manectric evo!
2. The realistic drawings are all done by Jun Okutani: art director of the game magatama which explains a lot
3. At 5:13 , the little black thing was a mono rock type. It’s name is kuroboshi and it has a few Pokédex entries about it, namely how it likes the rain and is off-putting to people because of its face
4. I don’t think this is in the video, but there was originally a baby form for the Makuhita line that has its own beta sprite
5. There are dev notes for these beta Pokémon, some are interesting like how duskull was called too similar to shy guy and how numel “doesn’t look close enough to camerupt” I have a link to the full document with Pokédex entries and dev notes If y’all want
6. 7:32 all of the castform forms have different names! Originally called sansan, zaazaa, and googoo in that order
7. 8:49 this guy is in the same Pokédex spot where dusclops is for some reason. Doubt it is dusclops so maybe duskull was planned to be a single stage at first?
8. It’s name is Tinkii. Comes right before relicanth in the pokedex so possible super early prevo
9. 10:44 scrapped because it was too similar to sudowoodoo, maybe a rock type?
10. 11:14 the one on the left is masquerain beta and the one on the right is sableye. Sableye Pokédex entries all talk about how good its eyesight is.
11. The water bunny starter’s name is warabitto!
12. 11:42 top right is a normal type named ubausagi that is called the foster pokemon. Pokedex entries talk about how it cares for all babies including those that aren’t it’s own. Bottom right with the yellow horn was a scrapped electric type named kodomin and is thought to be inspiration for toxitricity. Bottom middle was scrapped for being too similar to politoed and was reworked into seismitoad line for gen 5
13. 11:49 this guy shares wingulls pokedex spot, not directly a beta volbeat but probably inspired it
14. 11:56 these guys all made it very late into development. Left is a grass type inspired by gyaru fashion that acts similar to belossom middle is a grass/water type named kanbok that acted as a sprinkler and the right one is a ghost type named komari that was like a spirit guide Pokémon known for having bell like ears that chimed. All have official sugomori art
15. Flygon line was originally not related to trapinch at all and were all bug/flying types!
16. 13:23 dev notes actually mention beta Breloom being similar to a chocobo!
This is really interesting, can you link me the doc? Where did you find these things out?
When I saw the sprites at the beginning a part of me said this may be an AI hoax, but given some of the designs shown later on with the spider and interdimensional dog (I think it's related to Dialga/Palkia), there was a really talented artist at Game Freak who made designs for the wrong RPG company
Elden Ring final boss has a similar vibe, I love cosmic doggo dragon things
In an alternate universe, Pokemon is a 18+ Franchise and this is how some of the mons looked like.
It feels like they start with SMT designs and work backwards until they look like they could be your friends.
The beta Clampearl art actually makes so much more sense as to why it has the strange split evolution line into either Huntail or Gorebyss, especially with the beta Huntail art for reference. Each evolution was literally meant to be one side of Clampearl--either the shell or the pearl inside--taking prominence while the other became vestigial. In the end the redesigns we got don't really convey that and the strange split evolution ironically ended up becoming a vestigial remnant of the original concept.
love how they had an artist with such a different, horror themed style to help pitch designs too. clearly helped to get some cool ideas in there even if they had to be reinterpreted to match the franchise artstyle
also i wanna suggest the weird interdimensional wolf thing could perhaps be a hound of tindalos inspired pokemon?
10:35 I'd wager this is actually Torkoal's beta design. Christmas (a day associated with brightly colored wrapped gifts as this turtle appears) has a tradition of giving coal as a 'present' for naughty children
Most UA-camrs: I’ll make my webcam smaller so you can see the beta design for Torchic
Jimothy: 👁️👃👁️
Typhlosion has broken into my house and is holding my daughter captive. This is insane.
most typhlosions are male and your daughter is a female... I don't like where this is heading.
Captive? Oh dear. In what way?
@@overlord3481
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If it feeds her green berries and taps her head, call the cops.
15 minutes of Jim waxing poetically about alternate universe Pokémon was a wonderful treat for me to awaken to.
11:20 i think the sableye is holding a clear rock / glass that is magnifying its eye
The way Jimothy talks about evil lotad is for some reason the funniest thing I've ever heard 14:00
That Lunatone on the right has seen some things
@@silver_was_found He saw Beta Cacturne
The Lunatone is close to evil lotad and creepy Shedinja, so...
Even funnier when it looks like Jimothy put on spinda ears lmao
That Pelliper looks so thief-coded, like it'll swoop down and scoop up a child
Pelicans are definitely thieves in real life
the beak is like a tied on mask, i kinda like it. And the wingull could have leaned into gulls stealing food? Theres something there, but they clearly went a more no nonsense direction
like a reverse stork
@@FissionCube real life storks at least attempt to eat children and there is a case of one swallowing a baby
@@FissionCube I totally could see "reverse stork" concept as real Pokedex entry.
That "Cacturne" looks like a mutant Creeper
Thanks for the memories.
If a cactus and a hammerhead shark had a son, it’d be Concept Cacturne.
Ken Sugimori just sat down and drew 300 characters and they picked some 150 of them. Crazy to think one of these could have a been a huge hit and appeared in future games and had new forms and evolutions but now it's just languishing in an old drive somewhere to the end of time.
For gen 3? I don't think that was the case...
11:30 The Ruby/Sapphire Beta Sharpedo look like it is the half way between the gen 2 beta Shark Pokemon and the final Sharpedo Design. The Tail is still an anchor in this design but it has been made to look more like a natural tail than the Gen 2 version. And they introduced the "X" that is on the final version, but have not made it colorful yet. It really captures the process of refining the design.
They were really struggling how to incorporate the tail, that they just said "f*ck it" and cut it off.
2:40 With a friend we agreed that it's probably a really beta design (or future inspiration) of 10% Zygarde, the head being completed and the rest of the body just held together by some kind of cytoskeleton makes me think of an incomplete creature
Yes this is zyguarde look at the red blue and green energys from xerneas yevaltal and zyguarde
9:54 that's Duke Fishron from top indie game Terraria
Nah my man isn't even a Duke yet that's Plebian Fishron
Nah bto you beat me to it
4:02 I think that’s meant to be an interpretation of MissingNo. Like an attempt to make it canon, or nod to it. I think it’s clever, and would have loved to have seen something like it implemented. Maybe he has an ability that doubles its held item or something lol.
Very glad we got Mudkip instead but damn, I'd have loved a Water starter not based on an aquatic animal. It's so boring how every Water starter (except arguably Sobble) has to be an animal known for swimming while Fire and Grass get to do whatever they feel like
A significant amount of never before seen pokemon content has just been revealed
Boy did it ever 👀
Including old concept art, prototype designs, and even entire scrapped Pokemon from previous games
Lets take a look at some of these pokemon designs that never saw the light of day
Subscribe to the channel or you'll be visited in your dreams by prototype Cacturne, thank you
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11:02 I think this concept was eventually developed into Bonsly. There isn't much visual similarity, but some of the leaked internal design notes say this one feels too much like Sudowoodo, which I don't necessarily agree with but could have easily led to the development of an actual pre-sudowoodo for the next generation.
Now I'm sad we didn't get that cacturne instead.
They could've used it for Mega-Cacturne :/
We got robbed
You know, that Beta Metagross thing (the bony spider) looks kinda cute.
I've now got a soft spot for these freaky designs. They really put the "monster" in Pocket Monster with those designs
Spidergross is awesome, I would've definitely mained it as a kid
Same, I love it. Also it kinda resembles Spidermonkey from Ben 10 ngl.
I can't believe Jimothy predicted Iron Fellow
Look at my goat Treecko. They had him right since day 1
3:21 Biblically accurate Cacturn
Swampert being a late addition explains the lack of powerful Grass type moves to counter it
I'm pretty curious about all these terrifying designs for gen 3. If only the GBA had enough pixels to capture these designs then perhaps GameFreak was planning to permanently take Pokémon in an extremely unexpected and disturbing horror direction and mentally scar a generation of the world's children.
I would've liked it if no one else did lol
The guy who drew all of the realistic concept art was Jun Okutani, he was the art director on a pretty rare game called Magatama if you google it it makes sense why the concept art looks so spooky
The octillery child is crazy
Japan is never beating the 🐙 allegations
I feel that the fact none of these show early art of the pokemon Iron Mugulus is concerning, and we should not understate the possibility of his participat
I think a ton of people don’t realise concept art don’t often start in the same final art style. Check out concept art in animated films for example
2:09 I don't think those are stages, just the same Pokémon from different perspectives
3:16 looks like zygard dog form
I imagine the tornado Castform is Sandstorm. It must’ve been at a point before they added Hail so they were going off of the weathers that were available in Gen 2
For beta Sableye, I think that the yellow circle is just its eye, which the crystal its holding is magnifying
It seems like elements of Quaquaval’s design were taken from beta Pelipper maybe?
It is surprising to me that Sandstorm was in gen II. Feels so Gen III to me.
i imagine what happens is they hire concept artists who are just GOOD artists, without caring if the style matches pokemon and then change their designs to match pokemon
its a good way to get more original ideas instead ones that get stale
Tornado castform is 100% Hail form. Same swoosh on top and pointed tip at the bottom.
I am from the timeline with Drifttide (the water bunny you were talking about)... I must say Swampert is very cool and all but Drifttide was truly a monster. Its ability gave it the ability to essentially terastalize (in gen 3).
I prefer swampert because its much more balanced and a truly lovely dude
how are you alive in the iron fellow timeline
@@nostylenograce Iron Mugulus isn't as bad as you guys think
6:18 It's a tengu from Japanese folklore, 👺this emoji is a tengu
6:45 THAT PELIPER OR HOWEVER YOU SPELL IT LOOKS LIKE ITS ABOUT TO YELL "OBJECTION" 😭😭😭😭
Pelipper Wright? lol
Fear and hunger but with Pokemon
Oh god that series was insane.
Evil Peliper would work better if the team knew that Drizzle would become such a menace of an abillity on the comp scene.
Beta Clamperl highlights the theory that the clam and the perl are two different entities, and that the pink pearl evolves into gorebyss and the blue clam evolves into huntail
Why we need 2 clam pokeymon tho
Unless clams and oysters are actually that different?
I feel like most of these unrefined designs would've fit PERFECTLY in Telefang 2, another RPG monster taming game based off of cell phones.
Omg, someone sees the resemblance with Telefang 2's creatures too
The rabbit became the tuber class of trainer
The rune like pokemon has unowns in them, which is interesting to note
I think the creepy pokemon concept art are of early pokemon bosses, kind of like alpha and totem pokemon
Beta Pelipper's beak looks like a bandana, the kind of thing an Old West Outlaw would cover his face with.
I suppose that gen 3 was meant to be even more of a reboot of the franchise. A reboot to a way darker tone lol.
9:34 Ok, that sprite is legitimately creepy. I feel like it's staring right through me, waiting for me to let down my guard so it can can murder me, for no other reason than because it can.
I love beta Cacturne, I believe this is what the pokedex entries are actually talking about.
I also love how these beta sprites look like the GBC / Gen 2 sprites a bit. Its like an alternate reality where the GBC had a longer lifespan.
5:45 Looks like Archie was slated to have a Pelliper at one point
3:41 that's not cacturn that a walking flesh prison. That had better not be what's in p-3.
Wonder if he'll talk about the *other* content
The dog and rock make me think of ultra beasts? Maybe ultra early ultra beast designs?
Folks it is rumoured that the Lombre has eaten his hat after he came across an Ancient Power Celebi
4:26 i hate that this looks very similar to a grass-type regional evolution of pyukumuku i was making based on forests and cthulhu
Beta Cacturne looks like a very refined gentleman
Gotta love that hat
With beta Sableye, he’s holding a reflective object that he’s looking through and the huge circular thing is actually his eye (enlarged since the surface is distorting it).
It’s a brilliant design that I really like.
11:21 I think he’s peering through glass
Some of this stuff looks like it's straight out of Fear & Hunger
5:35 looks kinda like claydol to me in a weird way.
There's some speculation that the pokemon at 4:19 is meant to be a canonisation of missingno. If you looks closely it shares the same shape and the strange inscriptions on it resemble the pixels of missingno
Interesting theory, the "head" also kind of looks like a computer screen. I would've loved if it actually got into the games
we learned that there are some really insane scary and evil concepts that get scrapped or morphed into family friendly cartoons
fascinating
Nuzleaf is a Tengu, he looks SO COOL
The Cacturne horror is the stuff of nightmares. Way more fitting of the Cacturne lore
A pokemon horror game would be really really great now that I think about it
Yup, there’s even Lavender Town and all that stuff to accomodate the idea.
11:15 i'm shocked you didn't acknowledge nightmare fuel Masquerain right next to Sableye
You can see a happy face inside the lips, kind of cute
this is CRAZY folks
The third design actually looks like sharpedo if you take away the body and put fins on the head. It probably inspired the threatening look of sharpedo imo
5:40 my guess is that it's beta shuppet, and instead of a sheet ghost pupper thingy they were originally going for a matrioshka doll design
12:07 Latios Blaziken goes insanely hard that's gotta be S tier