Tom Telesco getting second shot as G.M. is ‘shocking’ | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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- Mike Florio and Chris Simms unpack why it’s so surprising to see a general manager get a second chance elsewhere, given Tom Telesco is heading to Las Vegas to become G.M. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #TomTelesco
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Tom Telesco getting second shot as G.M. is ‘shocking’ | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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I call bs on them saying it was Tom’s fault. For the past 8 years it feels like that mainstream media had them as Super Bowl favorites every single time because of their roster
So you believe what mainstream sports pundits say about a small market team that no one watches? lol they, much like yourself, see the names at the top of the roster and don’t do any digging further than that. The Chargers were always too heavy. And when the injury bug inevitably struck, the depth pieces were never there. That’s Telesco’s fault. And it was a decade of the same problem he never fixed. 3 separate coaches, the exact same problems.
@@PastelitoPapi So Tom Delaney isn;t at fault?
@@ahuxley123 over the course of an entire decade, Tom’s inability to build depth and provide talent for important position groups while also being EXTREMELY passive in his drafting and in season trading were 100% his fault as he contributed and was committed to losing
Yeah, but hes responsible for the last 3 Shittiest Head Coaches the Chargers Had.
@@PastelitoPapiyou think San Diego/LA were small markets? 🤔
Mark Davis hired an experienced GM that’s drafted well to pair with a rookie head coach. Makes sense
good luck with coupon Tom.. this will be his 4th rookie coach.. the first three failed miserably
@@evanyo3360 he didn't hire this one
@@bookswithbenjamin8902 not sure he hired any of them. seems spanos had a heavy hand in that
Tom Tolesco is hot garbage of mediocrity which is what the raiders will be 🤡
You can't say the Chargers were bad because they lacked talent.
Yes you can. As a fan we have big names that get injured and a whole bunch of guys. And now our cap situation is a disaster
@@christopherwilliams2351that’s because the Chargers went all in and were riddled with injuries and bad coaching. Rams did the same thing in 2021 but they didn’t suffer significant injuries and had a good coach. When the 2023 season began Chargers fans said they had a Super Bowl roster. Now Telesco sucked at his job 🤦🏽♂️
Herbert Allen and Ekeler doesn’t mean talent, 3/53 spots
@@codybrooks5016 ok how about Slater, Asante Samuels, Derwin James, Bosa, trading for Mack, Mike Williams. All 53 players don’t suit up on gameday and they all don’t start. Include Herbert and Ekeler and the Chargers have starting talent on both sides of the ball. Coach just can’t cook
@@joseperales2381 exactly proves my point, your a chargers fan so you’ve heard of those guys minus bosa but even then we all know you wish you had the other bosa
“I don’t think any of us looked at the Chargers and said ‘Wow, that is a perfectly built football team.’”
Chris, you guys have literally said in the past that the Chargers had a Super Bowl roster..,
Exactly! He’s just a hater, Jon Gruden broke this man
Multiple times he's said Chargers are super bowl contenders and now all of a sudden they're not now because Telesco is with the Raiders.
They always pick the Chargers to win with an amazing roster.
Guy drafted Manning, Luck and Herbert.
EVERY OFF SEASON
How soon these two forget the season long Testicle Massage job they gave the Chargers every single damn year for the last decade lol but now all of a sudden they're questioning the Telesco hire 🤦lol
What's crazy is most people are saying that Harbaugh is getting into the perfect situation. Minus the Cap(Which wasn't telesco's doing) The roster has major talent a lot of which was drafted. Yet they roast telesco for doing a bad job yet harbaugh is inheriting a great team....Like what? what's the logic?
As a chargers fan it’s a lot more that goes into that….he’s definitely a great drafter just not the best personnel evaluator as far as coaching
I wish him the best with you guys though
Yet everyone is saying Harbaugh is taking over a good roster put together by.....Tommy T
I support this move as a Raider fan. Everyone at home always think they what is right.
Lol and Mark hired AP based on pleasing not only the players but the fans as well. Great decision making…
after all these years of raiders fans calling the chargers roster overrated.. now they take our sloppy seconds washed up gm. good luck with coupon tom and his 4th rookie coach. In all honesty though who knows what happens, lets just knock off the chiefs whether it be chargers or raiders, then we can get back to beefing lol
@evanyo3360 At least yall got hope with Harbaugh (i think lol). Because you can never say that the Chargers suck because of the roster.
@michaeltracy2725 you sound like a salty fan from another team
You all praised the Chargers talent every year. Now, he's a loser that never won a playoff game? 🤦♂️
I'm more concerned that the Chargers ended up in cap hell.
Cap is a myth
@@OgDuragSensei92 watch it f@ck over the Charger this year. Also it's been affecting the Raiders for years. Even if you drag out a contract it still affects your team. Keep telling yourself that though.
@@schmuckytheraiderbear5043 its a myth bro
@SteelerzReignSupremeII it definitely is every team that’s over the cap magically is under by the time the season starts you don’t know what you’re talking about guy look at
The Saints they were over the cap tremendously the past five years. once the season rolled around they had zero issues. Look at the Rams. There’s so many examples of it.
Apparently it was the Chargers owner thats responsible for the Chargers cap space since 2015
These guys are so full of it. Every year prior to the season they suck the chargers nuts for their team. He put those teams together and now he sucks? I'm not saying it's a great hire but these two are so full of it. Look back and you'll see how hard they road this chargers teams nuts.
I don’t understand the hate for this move. What was the raiders biggest miss with the front office? It was literally the drafting, he’s a good front office guy that drafts well. As long as he doesn’t touch the cap maybe leave that for the assistant gm, but I think this will be good. Who knows, we’ll see
He drafts well? Go back and look at his drafts. After the first round he has been relatively awful. He drafted Fluker, Craig Mager, Tre McKitty, JT Woods, Quentin Johnston and a host of other awful choices. The Chargers are currently way, way over the cap and have no real talent depth due to his poor draft choices and poor management. For him to be rehired this quickly is pretty mind blowing given his poor resume.
@@christopherorman5769 you nit picked when he first started his gm career with a lot of those players, except Quentin Johnson which I think will be better next year. Like yeah he missed on a couple but overall the chargers since he was gm always had a way better roster than they performed. That has to do with coaching, luckily he didn’t pick the staff this time. Also the cap part does scare me but I think they’ll have champ Kelly as assistant gm and that’ll really help. Dude has a really good solid resume with terrible coaching
@@Jeffeleptic If they had a better roster and underperformed, how can that happen over essentially an 11 year term? So blame the coaches, that he hired? Or blame his scouts? Even better, blame the training staff for not keeping everyone healthy? Sorry, but a GM that has a losing record and his track record should not be rehired -- period. Again, go and look at his drafts. Awful outside of the first round. Worse, he couldn't draft a decent interior OL or DT not once. Zion Johnson is proving to be a bust. Then there was a string of selections like Dan Feeney, Chris Watt, Max Tuerk, and on and on. Maybe it was all the Spanos' family's meddling that did him in. Maybe. But I doubt it. I think his record represents who he is -- and maybe that record is good enough for the Raiders.
@@christopherorman5769 well I guess we’ll see. Unlike you I’m excited to see where this franchise goes from here. I guarantee the reason he got hired was his draft strategy or trade strategy involving either Jayden Daniels or Justin fields. I would love either one so we’ll see what happens
@@Jeffeleptic Tom Delaney handles the Raiders salary cap. Telesco won't have anything to do with the contracts and the cap.
I dont see the problem here….Chargers roster is and has been light years above the Raiders, with very productive drafts, and a franchise QB, edge, WR, back end. All drafted. Raiders suck at drafting and cap management. If we play tape of PFT pre-2023 season, they raved about Chargers roster and chances to win.
Im sorry but its pretty hilarious seeing raiders fans trying to cope after talking about how overrated the chargers have been for years, good luck with Coupon Tom and his 4th rookie HC, maybe it'll work out for you guys.
Every year everyone druel about how the chargers have one of the best rosters in the nfl. They never won because they couldn’t get the head coaching right.
I will be forever be grateful that Telesco picked Herbert for my Bolts with the sixth pick in the 2020 draft. That being said, I hope the Raiders don’t fire Antonio Pierce anytime soon. Telesco cannot hire coaches to save his life, nor can he build a non-top-heavy squad.
Telesco’s main problem is hiring coaches (Lynn and Staley 🤢), his roster building and drafting skills are above average.
Okay, but it's not like he had any other option. The Chargers draft strategy was "take whichever of those three guys (Burrow, Herbert, Tua) falls down to us." don't kid yourself; if the Dolphins had drafted Herbert, Charger fans would be telling us all how good Tua is.
@@Willtellthetruth 🎯🎯🎯 Herbert fell into their lap
Last 3 or 4 year they were projected to be a super bowl favorite
Expect the Raiders to do Raiders ish.
Who’s your team? Lol
@@plife664 Steelers.
Easily the best GM raiders have had under Mark. His issue was hiring HC’s not drafting
thats not saying much.....
Telesco built good teams, his major sins are his hirings of Lynn and Staley.
Cheap owners
and McCoy
@@KingStreetBrody idk they just payed for Harbaugh
@@evanyo3360 they wisened up it took em 11 years lol
Here for the people who don't know who Thomas Dimitroff is....
To Simms' point, I think Telesco is creating a new sort of "bridge GM" category... someone with a decent amount of experience that allows Champ Kelly another year or two to learn under him and eventually succeed him if (when) things don't go according to plan.
I think Mark was just looking for a steady hand after all of the chaos the last few years. He doesn't like having to mess with this. The Chargers do have talent so who knows.
he should have kept reggie mckenzie
I hope Telesco learned a lot fast. He acquired talented players but never actually tried to make sure that their talents complemented each other. This, plus bad coaching, led to years of underachieving. Telesco need to execute a clear vision that matches the identity that Pierce wants for his football team.
As a rival Broncos fan I’ll give Tom T props’ He had great picks up and down the roster. Coaching was not good for Chargers
That's what I'm saying. Every year, ig not for injuries and bad coaching the chargers should have stomped the AFC West.
The roster was only talented at the top and at premium positions. They routinely lacked depth and he couldn’t resign his 2nd round picks. They had no meat and potatoes.
It's more surprising to me the Chargers canned him. He built a loaded roster in LA, he drafted Justin Herbert, Joey Bosa and more. His personnel moves were not the problem. I can see no reason why he shouldn't get a second chance.
Didn't pff have have the team he built top 10 to win the Superbowl last 5 years 😂😂😂😂😂
Yep.
Idk, built a hell of a roster in San Diego, Staley seemed like the problem to me, not Telesco.
Herbert fell to Chargers …. as did Derwin James Rashawn Slater…. Telesco traded up to draft Kenneth Murray - took Jerry Tillery and has let solid players walk- Uchenna Nwosu Dru Tranquil Kyzir White Hunter Henry only to bring in a higher priced less productive player …. And let’s not forget that Gem of a move with JC Jackson….. just Glad TT in position to finally do positive for the Chargers ⚡️theF🆙
Great point , Tranquil was a big loss . Don't forget Q J ? 2nd WR off the board . EVERY wr in the draft had better years .
Maybe it’s as simple as he drafted Justin Herbert, and the Raiders are desperate to have a top tier franchise QB?
I think the raiders did good by getting this guy he has a good record of drafting legit stars Keenan Allen, Joey bosa, ekler Herbert Rashawn slater.
Allen was a first round prospect that fell because he tested injured. That wasn’t a “diamond in the rough” pick. Bosa can’t stay healthy and routinely misses seasons, Ekeler was arguably one of his better signings, Herbert fell in their lap because they needed a QB and has no other options. They would have taken Tua had he been there. Slater was the same thing. They needed him and had no choice but to take him. He isnt picking them because he’s identifying things that other GMs can’t. It’s just BPA at a position of need
So... when Telesco is at the Chargers, they have one of the best rosters in the NFL and are tipped for deep playoff success every single year because of the amount of talent on the team... but as soon as he's hired by the Raiders, the Chargers roster was terrible and full of holes, and the Raiders have made a crazy decision?
Right you are - clearly no anti-Raiders narrative going on there.
Now all of a sudden it’s a shock
I’ll say this as a bolts fan. He’s great in the first round. Good talent in the first. Not shit after that tho.
Chargers went from Phillip Rivers, Shannon Sharpe a.k.a 'Antonio Gates" for those who have OCD, LaDainian Tomilson, and Shaun Merriman... to what??? Oh yeah Telesco Got Herbert, Keenan Allen, Austin Ekeler, and Joey Bosa.... if you ask me.... Telesco did an awesome job replenishing the roster... Spanos family cheap skates when it comes to coaching.... so not sure what Telesco was supposed to do if the Spanos like to shop at Thrift Stores for coaches.
You meant Antonio Gates not Shannon Sharpe but I agree
How could you mistake shannon Sharpe and Antonio gates? Smh. That kills your whole comment
@biozio186 You obviously got the Mistake made by me... either way.... You got what I was trying to say... I don't really care much for players names outside of Raiders... Nick Bosa or Joey Bosa, all the same to me. T.j Watt or J.J Watt, it's all the same to me. They aren't Raiders, so who cares if I mix and match enemy names broh... lol
@biozio186 hope you all enjoy the name correction... as if it matters... :)
@stevenrichardson4555 yes.. I edited it.... still kept Shannon Sharpe, like a BOSS lol
Telesco draft success rate
Is 🔥
Florio makes a living disparaging people. In August, the Chargers were supposed to have a SB-caliber roster. Now their dismal season is on Telesco? Get real. As for Simms at 2:00: "GMs don't get a 2nd job!" Well, apparently they do, Chris. And also, move off that leech Florio, you're better than that.
Coupon Tom only had 3 playoff appearances and no division titles in his 11yr tenure. It was time for him to go
I was mad at this at first but I understand now. Our last 5 GMs were 1st time GMs. Then we wondered why a majority of our 1st round picks sucked.
He is talking about the GM like he was the coach….he bought great pieces and secured a franchise qb.
I like Simms a lot. Raiders fan and I don't love it but as far as noone ever looking at the Chargers and thinking the roster is great...there were quite a few people/analysts who had them picked to go to the Superbowl the past couple years they got riddled with injuries and had a goofy coach. They had some very good players during his tenure it just never developed into post season success.
Another guy Telesco drafted for the chargers that people forget was safety Eric Weddle. 14 years in the NFL, a d likely a HOF.
Huh? Weddle was drafted in 2007 and Telesco was hired in 2013
The thing about the Raiders is they've never done things the way everyone else does... for good or bad. Just Win Baby!
They should have promoted Champ......he and AP made a good combo.......Tom was a mistake..........I don't understand Mark Davis!!
Our team didn't lack blue chip players , it was depth , and the endless line of coordinator HCs !!! For him to go to our rival says he was never a true Charger !!!!
Are you serious -- "never a true Charger" ????????????????
The guy is an NFL GM, and WANTS to CONTINUE working as a GM. The Chargers FIRED him (i.e., he did NOT "quit"). The Raiders -- and apparently NOBODY ELSE -- offered him a well-paying job to serve as their GM. What is he supposed to do, turn down an offer to work THE singular job he wants to perform -- of which there are only 32 that exist in the entire world ??? What would you have him do: turn down the Raiders' GM job, lay at home on his couch for years and years waiting for another GM job offer "outside of the AFC West Division" THAT MIGHT NEVER COME just so he can "prove" to you that he was a "true Charger" during the time he worked for them ??????????????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!! Such nonsense is laughable.
He didn't quit to join the Raiders, he was FIRED! And like what was discussed, GMs don't usually get second chances. Was he supposed to not take the Raiders GM job and find work at Costco instead? These aren't blood in and blood out gangs. There's no loyalties amongst the players, coaches and employees. Only fans are loyal.
Perfectly said. @@wingedbuffalo4670
@JWH66 exactly! Well said
NOBODY is EVER a true charger.
He's big at 1st rd picks something we struggled with
Bro preach. This dude objectively hasn't done shit. I do not get the hype from so many people
So we gone act like they wasn't picking the Chargers to go head to head vs the chiefs!
I’d argue I top 15 picks are the most important picks because of the value they hold if you miss on a top 15 vs missing on anything after that. The impact on missing in the top 15 can last years where most players after the first round are rarely SPECIAL yeah you got your max Crosby’s and Lamar Jackson’s. And a bunch of other guys but most are 💩 so give me Tom over any gm we’ve ever had.
Champ or Dodds would have been way better hires. Tom better not put us in CAP hell, like he left the Chargers!!!
Tom Delaney handles Raiders financials/contracts
Hindsight is always 20/20. After the blown 27-0 playoff game lead, and before 2023 season began, Charger fans said they had a Super Bowl roster. They went all in like the rams in 2021 did but they crapped out.
Their coach had some decision making issues that cost the team at least 8 games last year by 10 or less points (A few more the year before). I'm not saying Telesco was perfect but he knows personnel and he will have a budget to work with, not a cheap miser of an owner. Also, we've heard Simms and Florio have to make the story not report it many time because they have nothing else to talk about since the season is almost over. That's media.......
wait wait wait arent you two some of the same media that says each offseason you expect the chargers to win 12 games? The same guys that say all the chargers need is JH and he putt hem over the top? How can the guy that put together the team that only needs JH be bad? wouldnt that mean it was the coach and not the GMs fault? Simmis has mad hate for the Raiders no matter the move. If They hired JH he would some how find fault. This bias media is so sad the way they can flip flop and be ok.
To all the Raiders fans thinking TT was a good drafter....take a look how he did when it wasn't a top 15 pick, it isn't pretty. Also he resigned like 4 guys taken after the 1st round in his entire 11 year career. Davis f'ed this up. Coach and GM are both going to be a hinderance to Vegas with what's around the corner in the AFC West.
I'm looking at a lot of pro bowlers that he drafted in the first round over his tenure with the Chargers.
Yeah first round, especially the earlier picks he did fine but past that was ugly is my point.@@bouji_
He’s the first Raiders GM hired with any experience, coming to a team with historically bad drafts I think he will do just fine
Fine = 4th place in the afc west@@christiananaya9124
Every move the Raiders have made over the past 24 months has been shocking.
Hired the wrong coach twice in 2 years (AP/Mcdaniels)
Not drafting Richardson.
Hiring Telesco who's hit on only 4-5 more picks than Gruden/Mayock (worst drafting duo in NFL history).
Not trading Davante or Crosby for a haul of picks. (Can't compete with Chiefs or Chargers anyway, might as well truly rebuild and try to be competitive)
Thinking that we can trade up past 7 other teams that need qbs.
Every year these guys pick the Chargers to win because of their talent.
Remember if the owner is too cheap to fire a coach under contract that’s on him.
As far players with the Chargers and the Colts over the past 20 years I don’t see any problem.
Telesco has the juice and AP has the fire.
No more learning on the job.
He was doing well with draft picks, and also making the best with cheap coaches. Legit pissed he stayed in our division
Think about chemistry you have polar opposite personalities for a coach and GM. This could work!
The Raiders making a controversial move at GM? Say it ain't so!
This dude left the Los Angeles Chargers with high price Free Agents and way over the cap. Not one team accomplishment
I like how the media blames everyone on the chargers except justin herbert
Simms never fails to continuously take shots at the Raiders any chance he gets. Everyone gushed over the chargers for years. Must be Telescos fault that half the team couldn’t stay on the field?
Now that Harbaugh is in LA I like we force them into a rebuild having their financials and know their personnel inside out
Chris Simms should b d last to point out how wrong someone's picks have been
The chargers lost because of coaching and injuries, NOT TALENT!
Mark Davis being Mark Davis..
Low budget hire! Feels like a big let down, MARK JUST HAAAAD TO GO SIDEWAYS!! Broke up the team that patched up the last half of last season on a McDaniel's Playbook. Tom Fiasco drafts well however, he left the chargers $44 mil over cap, his coaching selections over the last decade resulted in minimal post season appearances. DISAPPOINTED!!
Chris he drafted well and that's what gm are paid to do. Do we have to look at your tape saying how great they were the past 5 years.
A lot of people don’t understand how overrated these chargers rosters were. People called them Super Bowl caliber never really noticed how much depth they lacked. Plenty of surface level talent that regressed. 11 years is a long time to be a GM, plenty of proof that the chargers did not draft well. 11 years 2 playoff wins and a sub 500 record, not all his fault but man he had a huge hand in it.
Why ppl saying telesco bad. Our roster and drafts solid?
Chargers on paper were always favorites for the Superbowl. He drafted well.
He sure has a lot of work ahead of him, Raiders have a lot of needs specially at the QB position! Gotta get to work asap!
Honestly I have nothing against Telesco I think he was alright maybe not the best and for sure not the worst but he did bless us with some of the future talent we are all looking forward to (I.e. HERBERT, TULI and DARIUS DAVIS )
They had, i mean they have all the talent. Wasnt his fault. Imagine if he can bring Mack back
He was hired to draft a QB or figure out a long term solution for that position. He drafted Herbert - enough said. The coach was already hired and was in his second interview 😂
Dont forget that the Raiders got him fired by dropping 63 on them lol
Shocking? What the fuck are you talking about he’s held a job for 11 years for a damn reason 😂😂😂
Keeping Staley was the last straw. 0-3 On hiring coaches definitely is a reason to be let go
SIMMS WTF HAVE U DONE IN THE NFL TO EVEN HAVE A VOICE TO CRITICIZE ANY ONE. THE ONLY REASON U GET JOBS THAT DEAL WITH FOOTBALL IS BECAUSE OF UR FATHER. UR DAD WANTED U TO SUCCEED SO HE COULD BE PROUD AND U COULDNT EVEN DO THAT AND NOW U CRITICIZE WHAT TEAMS DO. WAIT TELESCO IS STILL IN THE NFL BUT UR NOT. HE MUST HAVE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT IF HE STAYED THIS LONG AND YOU COULDNT EVEN CUT IT AS A EMERGENCY QB. UNREAL. FLORIO KEEP DOING UR THANG OG
Its embarrassing how these guys shamelessly switch on their own previous takes.
Raiders like our sloppy seconds
but we finish second behind kc ...where are u guys again ? lol
took Al Davis as your sloppy seconds and that worked out pretty damn well for us
He drafted extremely well. That’s what he’s hired for, and that’s what he brings to the raiders. Chargers are gonna charge at the end of the day. Their coaches sucked and it showed.
George Young went from the Dolphins to the Giants.
Davis wanted a guy to be able to specifically trade up in the draft for his QB. Wanted experience to do that. Seems pretty obvious.
All I can say to Raider fans is you will want Telesco out within 3 years. The over/under on Pierce staying as head coach is probably 2. Telesco couldn't build a decent roster to save his life.
Who else interviewed TT for a GM job? Nobody!
Chargers been cursed since they fired Marty. Stay Classy San Diego.
Coupon Tom is Perfect for the Raiders
I don’t know why I watch these guys
I truly don’t know how I feel about this time to let go higher on one hand you have a guy with a pretty good résumé going back to his days with the Colts in the beginning with the Chargers but then you also have the guy who thought it was a great idea to hire Brandon daily to be an NFL head coachthis guy likes to say the head coach needs to be like the CEO on the field. Well he has that now with the Raiders new head coach, but the Raiders fan I really wish we went with champ.
Chargers problems came from bad leadership (hc) and injuries. Roster talent was never in question while Tom was with SD/LA. That's why every yr bozos like you guys picked them to make the playoffs.
If Kelly keeps talking this Justin Fields trade he can walk too
Yeah, just ask Mike Tananbaum 😀🤣😃😁😃🤣🤣 he's been an analyst on ESPN for years now 😅😃🤣😃😃😁😀
Raiders... Y'all are in for more of the same.
These guys every year pick the Chargers to challenge the Chiefs for the West, now all of the sudden they never had that great of a roster 😂
I just wanna know are chargers fans more bumed that Tom Telesco left or more happy that Tom Telesco is now gone
It not shocking..simms just mad he didn't get interviewed lol
was he fired for bad performance or because the Spanos' just wanted a fresh start? These two are commenting as if he was fired for cause.
GM Telesco + AGM Kelly
Tbh he is ok not great not terrible
Is drafting herbert shocking!!!
Shocked why? Dude can draft talent. How long has it been since the Raiders have gotten their 1st rd pick correct? Chargers were bad more so dude to coaches not talent
The chargers have a great roster
It’s Tom’s fault because he’s the raiders gm now lmao these guys don’t even try to hide their agendas anymore
Chris simms is so full of shit… it felt like every year they were hyping up the chargers because of their stacked rosters