LGBTQ Representation in Videogames

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  • Опубліковано 7 лис 2024
  • Your life is yours to live, you shouldn't have to justify it to anyone else.
    In this video I involved over 40 people who belong to the same community and people who care to deliver a video where we tell you why Representation matters, why YOU matter! Don't forget that even though there's ugly in the world and many will oppose you, you deserve to feel proud of who you are.
    Special thanks to:
    Literally everybody credited at the end of the video
    You, for making this possible
    JJJreact
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    #lgbtq #videogames #representationmatters
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  • @joeyjose727
    @joeyjose727 2 роки тому +142

    “Sometimes we just wanna see a girl, girl-bossing around” SO TRUE

  • @Shockwave20
    @Shockwave20 2 роки тому +158

    This video made me so fucking happy as someone who was always judged and constantly taught that gay ppl are bad it wasn't easy to grow up as a gay femenine non-binary person in fact it was hell 😄 and some of the characters mentioned in this video helped me realize that there was nothing wrong with who I am and for those ppl who felt or feel the way I did I just wanna say, you are loved and valid and please don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

    • @SetUUpWizard
      @SetUUpWizard 2 роки тому +3

      Holy shit another Luis I love you

    • @Shockwave20
      @Shockwave20 2 роки тому +3

      @@SetUUpWizard love you too 🙏🏻

    • @E.V.A.N-COProductions
      @E.V.A.N-COProductions 2 роки тому

      Imagine not getting enough hug's in life, and then Proceed to blast children's asses because your a special Snoke flake.

    • @toceeno874
      @toceeno874 Рік тому +2

      @Yami6692 baddies 💅✨

    • @waddledottz
      @waddledottz Рік тому +1

      ​@Enclave Communications Officer bad beetches ✨🩷 yaaaz

  • @thenintendoshitcube
    @thenintendoshitcube 2 роки тому +21

    These representation videos always feel like you're really in your element, like you're really passionate about the communities you're talking about, and show these characters through their light. You really bring people together, and this video series really represents that.
    Te amo game shelf 💪

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +4

      It's just that I feel that with this channel I want to bring people together and how we can connect through the videogame medium, that has allowed me to meet so many wonderful people while we all learn more about one another. I feel proud of this community we have so far and I believe it can only get bigger and better

  • @supersonicelerizo1
    @supersonicelerizo1 2 роки тому +67

    I'm not a part of the LGBTQ community, but I know lots of people who are a part of it and this kind of content makes me happy, since I really want them to feel secure and well, not discriminated. That last part was strong to me, growing up in Mexico is really uh, awful? I remember being a kid and not giving male family members a goodbye kiss in the cheek since "it was something gay", hell sometimes not even a hug, the same with some cousins and friends where I live, showing emotions, stuff like that was something bad. And even today I still feel awkward when my family is talking about something related to LGBTQ and calling gay man the "J" word.
    It was a great video man, I really hope it reaches a lot of people
    PD: Play Va11 Hall-A my dude, one of the greatest videogames I have fucking played

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +9

      Yeah Mexico is weird especially since most genuinely offensive stuff is passed as "a joke". That's the type of atmosphere I grew up in but through the years you learn the difference between a joke and genuinely hurting someone's feelings

  • @loomers4232
    @loomers4232 2 роки тому +35

    Might I add onto this, that gender identity in NieR Automata is really fleshed out, while I am sure most are fine with their assigned gender at production. Androids can change their sexual organs and change their identity. And that is normal in their society. What's also normal in their society is same-sex relationship, 6O constantly whines to 2B about her relationship troubles and 2b tries her hardest to be support despite being... An emotional mess herself. She doesn't shame 6O for being gay, she doesn't shut her down when she's sad. She simply supports 6O and that was always heartwarming to me.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +9

      GOOOOD, now I feel bad I didn't include NieR Automata since I love that game, it's such a minor detail that it went over my head

    • @alrox9760
      @alrox9760 2 роки тому +2

      Both nier and nier automata have such small details of representation, even what happens to nier and emil still makes me go for tears

    • @Vynne96-jg7er
      @Vynne96-jg7er 8 місяців тому

      ​@@TheGameShelfSo, you're an ally to the LGBTQ community huh? You're part of the problems on why video games nowadays need to get injected with woke political agenda about the goofy ass trans representation and queerness.🤡💩

  • @hatt3r
    @hatt3r 2 роки тому +15

    I love this video, as someone who came out and was "accepted" only to have it as a weapon against me and a trans friend who is a person I hope finds her happiness, this video made me think of myself and who I was and who I grew to be. Thank you for making not just me, not just my friends, but everyone feel more comfortable being themselves

  • @dushiido
    @dushiido 2 роки тому +5

    Ooh, this video's hits in the heart. Fucking love the characters selected for you to talk about. I'm a bisexual dude and I've always known that representation matters, but I've never been able to articulate as much as you and all the other collaborators for this video had. I also genuinely appreciate showing examples of bad representation and the fact about unlearning preconcieved notions for self and societal acceptance. Can't believe I missed out on this upload.
    Your other representation videos have been such a treat to go through, and this is no different!
    Hello from a Filipino fan, by the way; Thank you so much, Luis! Take care.

  • @vPUNKsTERNE
    @vPUNKsTERNE 2 роки тому +26

    Absolute banger of a video, and continuing the trend of having awful writing, FE Fates' queer characters always left a really bad taste with my mouth, considering how Niles is the usual "Im Bisexual and very creepy and crazy!" while Soleil... doesn't have the best track record considering what the localization had to change. Fire Emblem as a whole is really weird with representation because gay men in the series are very femenine in nature like Leon, Lindhart and Yuri, not that it's inherently a bad thing, but it just feels like thats the only way the public can accept a gay man.
    Which is why I really appreciate something like Graves and Twisted Fate even though I don't like League.
    Game Shelf absolutely based.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      You can thank my friend Aleister for the Graves and TF section, he was a massive help for that

    • @mysmallnoman
      @mysmallnoman 2 роки тому

      There's nothing wrong with Niles being Pervert and Bisexual, queer people can be anything and we shouldn't treat them difficulty just because being creepy/Pervert has a negative stigma
      And before you say : " well, he's the only male Bi Character and he's Pervert which is bad ", would it be better if there were like 10 other gay Characters and Niles is the only one who's pervert ? If yes, then what's the issue ?

    • @mysmallnoman
      @mysmallnoman 2 роки тому

      Also Linhardt and Yuri aren't femboy, they look Feminine and that's about it, they don't act Feminine, unlike Leon

  • @AlexPerez-ip3nk
    @AlexPerez-ip3nk 2 роки тому +7

    This video was such a treat, thank you for taking the time to make it! Learned a lot today, saw characters I didn't even knew existed, it was great

  • @BroodMeister
    @BroodMeister 2 роки тому +19

    I'm so proud of you for making this and everyone who was involved with it. Great work as always Gay Shelf 💗

  • @gregg_rulz0k824
    @gregg_rulz0k824 2 роки тому +8

    ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC TO BE A PART OF THIS! GREAT VIDEO IT TURNED OUT SO WELL 💜💜💜💜

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      Your contributions made a ton of difference fr

  • @josec.7416
    @josec.7416 2 роки тому +4

    This is the 2nd video that made me think "yeah, every minute I spent seen this it's worth it." Such a great video man.
    I've come here because I knew that Jill will appear in the video but after seen it I got some good reflections.
    Also play VA-11 HALL-A, probably many people said the same thing but VA-11 HALL-A is one of those game that you need to play to know why is absurdly good.

  • @contestleader2721
    @contestleader2721 Рік тому +3

    You have all that build up for Vamp, yet leave out the best part. The line that you used from "Pliskin" was the first time that the word 'Bisexual' was used in a video game

  • @mayteflores3265
    @mayteflores3265 2 роки тому +58

    Love this video and all the inclusive terms ✨🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +5

      Believe it or not I still learned new stuff while making this video, but luckily my friends were patient enough to teach me once again

    • @faiz78ify
      @faiz78ify Рік тому

      yea but what’s with the Breaking Bad flag?

  • @MarikuSalana
    @MarikuSalana Рік тому +9

    Ike and Soren were the first same sex pairing I really shipped. I drew so much art during that time and it helped distract me from the chaos of my home life.

  • @ZunkleFunkle
    @ZunkleFunkle 2 роки тому +19

    HAPPY PRIDE, GAYMERS!

    • @ZunkleFunkle
      @ZunkleFunkle 2 роки тому +6

      Man I wish you actually talked about the JoJo characters though LMAO

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah lmao to be fair the Jojo section was something I added as a surprise

  • @nuclearsmash
    @nuclearsmash 2 роки тому +42

    God bless your soul man, this honestly put a huge smile on my face and I'm glad I could help somehow
    Hope your channel succeeds and hits big numbers because genuinely, you deserve more viewers :' )

  • @huskeone4232
    @huskeone4232 2 роки тому +7

    Man, thank you so much for this. Actually got me to tear up.
    You're a great ally, I feel, and I'm glad you made this episode.
    I look forward to more of your videos!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Makes me incredibly happy to hear that friend, I promise the future content and even the one I already have is just as good as this. Thank you so much for your comment

    • @huskeone4232
      @huskeone4232 2 роки тому

      @@TheGameShelf no problem!

  • @jazzminrice
    @jazzminrice 2 роки тому +26

    The last few minutes are so powerful, there’s lots of characters here from games that I’ve never played as of yet but this video has really made me curious to try a lot of them, the Yakuza games especially
    Thank you for this video and happy pride month to everyone 😭❤️

  • @BeaverDaBeaver
    @BeaverDaBeaver 2 роки тому +5

    10/10, mentioned a bunch i was aware of, and a lot of new peeps i didnt know about, very entertaining too!

  • @alovestuck
    @alovestuck Рік тому +5

    this is was such a wholesome ride all the way through! thank you so much for making this vid :,) really brightened my day

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  Рік тому

      If this makes people happy that's all that matters! Thank you so much for your comment

  • @burgerdiverbanandodansparc9154
    @burgerdiverbanandodansparc9154 2 роки тому +29

    when mr. game shelf went on the whole tangent of Madeline, I felt that

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +6

      Esque Celeste y Madeline
      Celeste y Madeline simplemente lo mejor

  • @dear-decay
    @dear-decay 2 роки тому +48

    Amazing video, man. so happy to see such a positive LGBTQ video in this community, and so thankful to have been a part of it 🏳‍🌈

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +10

      Thank YOU for motivating me to do this, I was very insecure on talking about this, but your encouragement was enough to make it a reality

  • @terpsidance.
    @terpsidance. Рік тому +3

    A video game that I find gets often overlooked is Timespinner, A metroidvania where the main character is a bi woman of color who has a transgender love interest, and a polyamorous group in which one of the characters is asexual.

  • @eduardosoahinst6096
    @eduardosoahinst6096 2 роки тому +6

    Something I really love that in stardew valley you can date male characters without problems and marry them, I really appreciated that because there is not many games that you can do that, not in every game you can be gay but in this game you can and that's so great

    • @coppermoth6069
      @coppermoth6069 2 роки тому +1

      Witchbrook is still in the works but it’s available to be wishlisted on steam, it’s inspired by stardew valley, and it’s super lgbtq inclusive

  • @nepsit219
    @nepsit219 2 роки тому +6

    I’m so ashamed it took me 3 weeks to watch this video. It is amazing. Truly amazing. Same hat with the Catholic and conservative past. Now I am out as queer and non-binary. In my past I did a lot of “othering” and didn’t know who I was until about a year ago. I couldn’t be happier (maybe if my family accepted me?) Thanks again for this video!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Hey better late than never! Makes me really happy you finally watched and loved the video, we wanted to spread a possitive message with this

  • @cjcoachzx8841
    @cjcoachzx8841 2 роки тому +5

    Just wanted to say, you are the best. Ever since I've subscribed (which was because I totally agree with your fire emblem content) but your videos continue to entertain me and seeing you do Mexican content, and now LGBTQ content is just amazing. Thank you so much for all you do

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      The fact that anyone can enjoy this content is enough to motivate me to continue! I really want to let others know how much impact a videogame can have on a persons life

  • @marcoantoniosalinasmiranda6798
    @marcoantoniosalinasmiranda6798 2 роки тому +5

    Me gusto mucho amigo, me da gusto ver tu creatividad, ver tu esfuerzo y el crecimiento que estás teniendo. Un abrazo mi gibbo

  • @Seatown
    @Seatown 2 роки тому +4

    Wow, you packed an incredible amount of information in this. Thanks for the thought provoking ideas and for making a difference!

  • @loukiffet
    @loukiffet 2 роки тому +5

    Vicky hizo que conociese tu canal y ESTOY AGRADECIDISIMO. TE ADORO, ME ENCANTA COMO HABLAS.
    Celeste siempre lo mejor

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      Vicky le sabe jaja
      Es una gran amiga que quiero mucho y me alegra que tambien disfrutaste este video de verdad! Saludos

  • @Amontiii3
    @Amontiii3 Рік тому +2

    You’re forgetting a pioneer,
    The Sims

  • @Vee_Sheep
    @Vee_Sheep 2 роки тому +3

    clicked to hear about Testament and Emil, stayed for good Pride Month vibes
    when i learned that Testament had they/them pronouns in GGStrive, i was just really really happy, being non-binary myself
    it's always good to see characters that have that little something in common with you, be it neurodivergency, ethnicity, gender identity or sexual/romantic preferences, especially if you can tell it's sincere and done with the best intentions, as opposed to your identity kinda just being a punchline or, in the case of Actibl*zz, a cheap corporate tactic to save their own ass
    if you get to use an inspirational quote from Bon Clay, allow me to pull my own favorite inspirational anime line
    "I see now that the circumstances of one's birth are irrelevant. It is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are"
    happy pride to all the LGBTQ+ folks and allies alike who read this, take care of yourselves ~

  • @AzzyLily
    @AzzyLily 2 роки тому +23

    The only reason Kanji isnt gay is because the theme of Persona 4 is "Just kidding I'm fine actually"
    Yukiko decides running the inn is a good idea
    Chie decides that she isnt jealous of Yukiko
    Yosuke decides that the backwater town doesnt suck that much
    Kanji decides "No I'm not gay, look even this masculine presenting boy I like is a girl!"
    Rise decides that being overtly sexualized and dehumanized by being in the idol industry isnt that big a deal
    Naoto decides that being uncomfortable in their body isnt because they're trans, no it's just that they feel uncomfortable being a girl in a male dominated field.
    Even the culprit has that character arc, where they go "Oh actually I'm not evil, it's cause of a magical final act twist bad guy"
    As for Catherine, you probably dont know, but Erica, the transwoman, after being made fun of by every character in the cast, Vincent goes back in time to "Fix everything" and one of the things he does is stop Erica from transitioning.
    Also Qatherine, the Femboy route, gets assaulted once Vincent realizes they have male genitalia.
    God I hate Atlus
    It's not even that it's bad representation. They just cant help themselves from making fun of LGBTQ people.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +8

      It's so jarring because tons of friends love the Persona 2 shipping but then Atlus backpedals hard for no reason other than being assholes

  • @noah-ux2cz
    @noah-ux2cz Рік тому +2

    I remember the first time a friend mentioned their pronouns to me as they/them and I had absolutely no idea what they meant. I actually remember saying that they/them referred to multiple people and that it wasn’t grammatically correct 💀. I’m glad I know better about pronouns now so I don’t have to embarrass myself like that ever again.

  • @NIKO_H8sU2000
    @NIKO_H8sU2000 2 роки тому +2

    The ending🥹🥹🥹 we love character development good on you for unlearning the hate you where taught (not born with) and your willingness to learn and be better

  • @dannychainsaw8615
    @dannychainsaw8615 2 роки тому +10

    I luv ur representation vids, always cool to see and learn about others

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      Now that begs the question, where should I go from here when talking about Representation? Hmmm

    • @richardwilliams9130
      @richardwilliams9130 Рік тому +1

      @@TheGameShelf Black people in video games, please!

    • @richardwilliams9130
      @richardwilliams9130 Рік тому

      Or autistic people in video games.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  Рік тому +1

      @@richardwilliams9130 I actually would love to do something like that, but I've been thinking, wouldn't it look wrong if I, a non-black person, make a video about that?
      Maybe one of my Black friends can help me more directly, but yeah these are things that must be handled with care

  • @soyyoelmeromeroasies1960
    @soyyoelmeromeroasies1960 2 роки тому +5

    Very important message behind this video, thanks a lot!

  • @DieAlteistwiederda
    @DieAlteistwiederda Рік тому +4

    Back when Sylveon was first available in X and Y I had one and named it after a friend. Guess who later came out as trans? 😂
    I can't say I hadn't suspected it and maybe have gently tried to talk about it with my friend but yes Sylveon is definitely the trans Pokémon. My friend during her coming out party also took me aside and joked about how I truly was always right and how she was grateful to have someone like me in her life who always took her as she was and encouraged however she explored her gender identity. One of our fondest memories is when we made a cosplay with her being a princess and me the knight/prince years before she ever came out. Helped her and taught her how to sew.

  • @EShiv42
    @EShiv42 2 роки тому +4

    this is such a wonderful video omg. Thank you!!

  • @DarkestSamus1
    @DarkestSamus1 2 роки тому +1

    I know I am 3 months late to the party to comment on this but I have seen enough of your videos now that I am convinced that I wanna support you. Thank you for this fantastic video and being such a cool person. I look forward to catching up on all of your old stuff since I am relatively new to the channel and also looking forward to your new content. You have a new Top Shelf Patron :)

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you so much Bradley and know I really mean it!
      I'm currently out of my country but when I return I'll be sure to thank you properly, hope you continue to enjoy the content!

  • @davidsterling7570
    @davidsterling7570 2 роки тому +3

    Found your channel through Metroid, finally commented on this. Great allyship friend! Fuck companies and their commodifying of culture but representation in art matters!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Glad you enjoyed the video it genuinely means a lot to everyone who was involved

  • @theickystickie
    @theickystickie 2 роки тому +9

    Finally
    Gayme Shelf

  • @AleisterL
    @AleisterL 2 роки тому +8

    I'm really happy about the contribution I had in this video. The case with Twisted Fate and Graves made me realize that there's a lot of male loving male relationships that are erased because people are more inclined to accept lesbian relationships whether because of the horrible fetishization or just because they are not man's because society is shitty. But other than that, I'm really happy to see all of this representation, I love your work Gameshelf and this make me excessively happy to see. HAPPY PRIDE MONTH EVERYONE, Y'ALL ARE VALID!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      You were a massive help for this project and I can't stress enough how grateful I am for your help friend. It was a pleasure working with you

  • @mushroomking8039
    @mushroomking8039 2 роки тому +1

    Since you brought up Magypsies, I remembered this quote Shigesato Itoi said, when talking about the character Tony from EarthBound: "In real life, there are gay children, and I have gay friends myself. That's where there's a gay child in Mother 2 [EarthBound]."
    Also thanks for the reminder that I need to play Celeste and haven't despite that I LITERALLY OWN IT!

  • @titanomachi99
    @titanomachi99 2 роки тому +2

    Agradecido con la Vicky por compartir esto en Instagram. Buen video bro❤😔🙏

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Esque VickyGOD le sabe mucho, literal ella me ahorro 2 parrafos en este video jaja

    • @titanomachi99
      @titanomachi99 2 роки тому

      @@TheGameShelf Simplemente una viva jiji

  • @vagelismihalis7426
    @vagelismihalis7426 2 роки тому +1

    Omg are you new favourite person
    Incredible video and message
    Thank u,we need more like you♥️♥️♥️♥️

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      Makes me happy to see so many people enjoy this video, it was very special so seeing it reach more folks really makes it all worth it

  • @supersonic64ish
    @supersonic64ish 2 роки тому +5

    Love you man

  • @Jaddas
    @Jaddas Рік тому +1

    Just want to leave some more characters i could think of:
    Mortal Kombat:
    Mileena and Tanya are a bisexual couple
    Kung Jin is gay
    League of Legends Characters you didnt talk about:
    Ekko and Ezreal are a gay couple in the pulsfire lore
    Taliyah is trans
    Varus is a fusion of a darkin (deamon) and 2 gay lovers
    Kayn is bi
    Irellia is in a relationship with an Legends of runterra exclusive character
    Valorant:
    Killjoy and Raze are a couple
    Not sure if it counts, but since there are yugioh videogames i am gonna mention it:
    Jesse Anderson and Jaden Yuki are a couple. Jaden seems to be bi, jesse could be bi or gay for all i know.

  • @NihilisticWhim
    @NihilisticWhim Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this video. You show empathy in this video which many do not even in these pride month topics. I came to this late but you've earned a subscriber. Now to go binge the FE content.

  • @Vopyr
    @Vopyr 10 місяців тому +1

    Frisk also has an androgynous appearance, as far as I remember, so some people think Frisk is a girl, some people think Frisk is a boy, and some people think Frisk is Frisk and don't care about such questions.
    VA-11 Hall-A is probably one of the best games I've played in my life! Great main character, lots of different interesting and alive characters, great story, great music... this game is just great.

  • @elquiu1566
    @elquiu1566 2 роки тому +2

    ese chiste de zoro del bipolar bear no lo habia vistoooo akjskjahskh deberia ver el dub de 4kids
    vivian te tkm ;u; es mi personaje favorito de ese jueguito
    me da mucho gusto ver lo lejos que va llegando fire emblem con la representacion :""3 que bueno que heroes porfin le halla hecho justicia a kyza y espero que con el paso de los años solo vayan mejorando, van por buen camino. seria muy bonito que una serie que amo tanto como fe tuviera mas representacion xp (y mencion honorifica a homer, marty y dagdar de thracia xd)

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +1

      Ooooooh, ok admito que Marty y Dagdar los olvide
      Pero Homer si esta confirmado como LGBTQ? Yo recuerdo que si un vato entraba a la casa donde lo reclutas se enoja o algo asi, o igual estoy recordando mal

    • @elquiu1566
      @elquiu1566 2 роки тому

      @@TheGameShelf homer el primer bi-icon de fire emblem 🤭 igual no recuerdo exactamente que es lo que dice pero es algo asi "un hombre, eh? por ahora no estoy en el 'mood' para ti, pero vuelve mas tarde, quieres?" lo que nos da a entender que si le entra pero por el momento no se le antoja xd
      creo yo que si cae dentro de los personajes bi de FE y encaja bien con la tendencia de los bisexuales de pelo morado (lyon, legault, yuri

  • @SunsetCompass
    @SunsetCompass 2 роки тому +8

    I'm late but, genuinely, thank you for this video bro. As a nonbinary person, representation is so important, especially positive

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому +2

      Thank you friend, makes me so happy to see this video achieved what it was created for

  • @tigerbear5845
    @tigerbear5845 4 місяці тому +1

    Pretty good video, but I was a little underwhelmed by the UT/DR section as it was kind of short/only really covered Kris, Alphyne, and Suselle, but as this is a long video, so understand that. (just that the game has a lot more LGBTQ+ rep beyond those three examples, and you could go more in depth for each)
    As for the Kris section, the thing is that while you're supposed to see them as a blank slate to put your shoes into, but... (spoilers for Deltarune)
    Some parts of the game hint that you are not actually playing as Kris, but some force that possesses them against their will, and most of Kris's seeming "lack of personality/being a plank of wood" is just a side effect of being possessed by you the player. This will likely be developed upon/made more explicit in later chapters because we only have two of potentially 5-7 chapters at least. Still, it's mostly clear in chapter 2, where some dialogue options hint towards the fact that they're not fully in control. (If you want an example of this, look up their reactions if you choose "yes" or "no" when asked if they are okay after the Spamton Neo fight.) Some people try and use the ambiguity argument to strip away Kris's pronouns but that's another story for a video essay I'll hopefully bring up.
    Also, Alphys is bi. She ends up with Undyne in the end but the game also establishes that she has/used to have a crush on Asgore) Alphyne and Suselle aren't the only gay couples in the game too. For example, the two Royal Guards (literally named 01 and 02) end up as a couple if you spare them. (the fight literally ends with 01 confessing his feelings to 02, only for the two to leave for ice cream.)
    There are also a few trans/enby characters besides Kris (Characters like Napstablook, Frisk, and Chara are also only referred to with they/them pronouns. Meanwhile, both Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew's stories can be read as a trans allegory, and their story arcs have a lot of trans coding.)
    Still, though, it is a pretty good video, and I just assume the sparse coverage of UT/DR is just due to a lack of knowledge of the games. Keep on doing what you're doing; you've got a sub from me.
    Edit: Also forgot to mention that DR is technically not a "sequel" to UT. Toby himself doesn't know how to describe it, but I think it's best described as a canon alternate universe.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  4 місяці тому +1

      Thank you I do appreciate the support and the feedback, hope you enjoy the other stuff I have to offer

  • @lovemadeinjapan
    @lovemadeinjapan 9 місяців тому

    Great video. Going to incorporate it into a lesson at school. Never knew about Celeste: you can't really tell it from the 16 colour Pico-8 version I played. I do have concerns on the industry as a whole. Especially Nintendo is heading in the wrong direction. Take Zelda for the Wii U. If that wasn't a queer Link, I don't know who was. If you see the lastest Zelda, it is 100% maculinity promotion with Himbo Link. Same with Ubisoft: from perfectly queer androgynous snakeboy Prince of Persia to Drugs-cartel-mobster I-eat-grind-for-breakfast-badass Himbo Prince. Bad directions!

  • @fernandozavaletabustos205
    @fernandozavaletabustos205 Рік тому +2

    Congratulations you have gained a new suscriber!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  Рік тому

      I really appreciate the support! I really hope you can also enjoy the other content I offer
      You wont regret it!

  • @nosauce1986
    @nosauce1986 2 роки тому +5

    Te quiero mucho, Sylvando

  • @enriqueaquiahuatl8554
    @enriqueaquiahuatl8554 Рік тому

    Fun fact, for Phoenix Wright, one of his main motivations for becoming a lawyer was so one day he would cross paths with Miles after he met him in his childhood and never saw him after Miles' father died.
    It's hard to argue that there's not something going on between them.

  • @DanDaDnaMan
    @DanDaDnaMan 2 роки тому +1

    You had me fuming by reminding me of when the first world white people got Mexican Mario off of the cover of the box art. Anyway, epic video 👌🏼😎👍🏼

  • @CarlosPixelArts
    @CarlosPixelArts Рік тому

    I looked at this video and thought "weird... he doesn't usually talk about these topics" then I clicked it. Was confused for a minute looking at you talking then I went to check my subscriptions. Apparently I confused you with "The Gaming Shelf"
    XD

  • @flonneofthestars3709
    @flonneofthestars3709 2 роки тому +1

    This is how we all figured out female byleth was the main character all along because she can romance all four house leaders yes I'm counting Yuri and the ashen wolves

  • @Ester_Johana
    @Ester_Johana 6 місяців тому +1

    As a fan of Persona I do find it annoying that Atlus has gone from Tatsuya being Bi and able to love any party member, yet now all we have is Yusuke might be queer or just oblivious to the women who flirt with him

  • @Rubiktor012
    @Rubiktor012 Місяць тому

    One of my favorite LGBTQ reps is Isaac, from The Binding of Isaac. In that game, there's a multitude of characters that you can play as, all named after and loosely based off of a biblical character, such as Judas, Lazarus, Eve, or even Isaac himself. Thing is, all these characters are one and the same, they're all just Isaac's different identities (In fact, the character select screen bears the text "WHO AM I?" at the very top). The fact that there are both male, female, and even a non-binary character in the game, means that Isaac is actually genderfluid.

  • @AnotherChampagneSocialist
    @AnotherChampagneSocialist Рік тому +1

    Fire Emblem has had canonically gay characters since 1999, and the original game had gay coded characters but they couldn't be overt about it back then because of anti-gay laws.

  • @namunomi1067
    @namunomi1067 Рік тому +1

    If Elle Woods could change her whole career path for a man she had a crush on and wanted to see again but end up being amazing at it, so can Phoenix! Legally Blonde: Ace Attourney

  • @MattMagnani
    @MattMagnani 5 місяців тому

    I loved this video, I watched the others video about representation and it is very well made(I'm brazillian, so Jetstream Sam is a hell yeah). I wish it had more videos like that, something like autism/neurodivergency representation in games, etc.

  • @tribork
    @tribork 3 місяці тому

    Talking about hades, “there is a hand full of LGBTQ characters”, yes it’s Greek mythology a very queer mythology, additionally not clearly stated but Artemis is often seen as AroAce both in hades and most depictions with some lines in game hinting towards it

  • @MaxEverywhereSystem
    @MaxEverywhereSystem 7 місяців тому

    i was kind of iffy about edgeworth and phoenix being a thing til i found out about the ace attorney jewelry line where they had MATCHING RINGS based on them. they are NOT subtle lol

  • @enriqueaquiahuatl8554
    @enriqueaquiahuatl8554 Рік тому +1

    And as of the time of this comment's writing, we now have 2 official non-binary characters in fire emblem heroes, with the addition of Limstella, who I think was added after the release of this video

  • @Gryzor88
    @Gryzor88 2 роки тому +1

    What a lovely contribution to pride month, thank you :)
    Always believe in and be true to yourself.

  • @LeoBreid
    @LeoBreid Рік тому

    this is literally THE video EVER.

  • @drakewarden7
    @drakewarden7 7 місяців тому

    EVERYTHING about Nia from Xenoblade 2. She is so much fun to watch onscreen, and the sequel only added more fuel to the fires. She gives off absolute waves of bi energy, and even has a scene that reads very much like a coming-out scene. If you haven't played XC2, it's worth it just for this one character.

  • @matthiasjones
    @matthiasjones 2 роки тому

    It was a great video! Love it and I appreciate all the effort.

  • @SirBanana1992
    @SirBanana1992 2 роки тому +6

    I don't have any problem with diversity, my favorite character of all time is pretty openly bi. The problem comes when the character itself is badly/lazily written. Some writers think that just being LGBTQ is enough and treat it as a marketing checkbox. That just seems very disrespectful in general. By all means make all the LGBTQ characters you want, but at least try and do a good job.

    • @therealspeedwagon1451
      @therealspeedwagon1451 2 роки тому +3

      Or when they add in that they’re LGBTQ later on like it’s some dlc to the game. It should be something that is simply a facet of their personality and not something that defines them and is artificially planted in them so they company can get diversity points

  • @waxenby8362
    @waxenby8362 Рік тому +1

    I had no idea Leo was gender fluid?!?!!!?? I absolutely love Tekken and never realized this

  • @omaruto9254
    @omaruto9254 2 роки тому +5

    Great video, but i think you forgot rin from catherine, and another thing. In persona 3 portable and 2, tatsuya and the female version of minato can be bisexual.

    • @AleisterL
      @AleisterL 2 роки тому +4

      the thing about Rin is that Atlus treated rin as a crossdresser instead of a trans girl, at least on official media, same case that happened with the Erica case with it. Also have you seen the full video? Tatsuya is in it, and Kotone is not included because there's a little bit of a grey area between Aigis which is the only potential relationship that could have. It's just Atlus not handling good the LGBT representation

    • @AleisterL
      @AleisterL 2 роки тому +1

      17:28 For the tatsuya part because I presume you skipped it.

  • @yumaoverstar
    @yumaoverstar 2 роки тому +1

    Game shelf best homie we never had ;-;
    36:33 same here, pal. No excuse to treat people badly is accepted

  • @devinsauls9137
    @devinsauls9137 2 роки тому +3

    NiGHTS is non-binary and awesome 😎👍🏿

  • @pordesgraciaalumnoup727
    @pordesgraciaalumnoup727 2 роки тому +1

    Absolutely incredible video!

  • @MrRock2fun
    @MrRock2fun 2 роки тому +3

    0 Bryan = 1 Like

  • @nuodek
    @nuodek 2 роки тому +2

    blessed video

  • @Aperson-62
    @Aperson-62 Рік тому

    I'm sure there are a lot of LGBTQ+ characters in more niche games since by it's very nature its a marginalised community. I mean, there is a game called Super Lesbian Animal RPG after all.

  • @gldev8191
    @gldev8191 2 роки тому +1

    gr8 video chief

  • @GBF_Relink_Guides
    @GBF_Relink_Guides Рік тому

    kinda sad you didnt go into cagliostro since shes trans too. granblue also has a ton of lgbt characters, but still glad to see ladiva being represented 💖

  • @bladmun5718
    @bladmun5718 2 роки тому +2

    This video made me feel fussy inside :33

  • @AgentZeroVT
    @AgentZeroVT Рік тому +1

    Definitely I love Jill and madeleine I tried my best to understand this 😊
    By the way great video of LGTBQ Representation in video games

  • @melusine7688
    @melusine7688 2 роки тому +1

    Kaiza first nb in fire emblem? Let me tell you about Limstella

  • @SciontheDark
    @SciontheDark Рік тому

    Hey hey, its AtlusUSAWest!

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  Рік тому

      Been a while since I was last called that... not that I don't like it lol

  • @theodd-squadpodcast9101
    @theodd-squadpodcast9101 2 роки тому +2

    LETS GOOOO

  • @arthurdossantos6826
    @arthurdossantos6826 Рік тому

    Hey, you didn't mention the relationship between Big Boss and Kaz, you can literally have sex on the beach on that game

  • @ezerox7778
    @ezerox7778 2 роки тому +1

    Hey that's me

  • @danieltodd6703
    @danieltodd6703 2 роки тому +1

    The my work here is done but you didn't do anything pride month memes kill me every time.

  • @nuclearpancake3683
    @nuclearpancake3683 Рік тому

    7:27 now seeing it the shiny version looks like a trans masc while the regular one looks like a transfem, idk just a thought

  • @DiegoCoutoDiaz-ss3tc
    @DiegoCoutoDiaz-ss3tc 5 місяців тому

    I meant to say I don't know why people speak about Poison

  • @neverlanderm8192
    @neverlanderm8192 2 місяці тому

    Undertale is a alternative universe

  • @LeandroCavalcanteLeandrw
    @LeandroCavalcanteLeandrw Рік тому

    In general, I found eastern LGBTQ++ references more respectful than western ones.

  • @raphaelsorel6907
    @raphaelsorel6907 2 роки тому

    You wound me with the lack of Tekken’s Leo.

    • @TheGameShelf
      @TheGameShelf  2 роки тому

      Oh naw friend, you must have closer your eyes cause Leo is there! A lot of people wanted me to include them

    • @raphaelsorel6907
      @raphaelsorel6907 2 роки тому

      @@TheGameShelf Oh, my mistake.

  • @brendaguevara8337
    @brendaguevara8337 2 роки тому +3

    Me encanta 🏳️‍🌈 increíble ver a donde llegas con tu constancia!

  • @MalloryDaxter
    @MalloryDaxter 2 роки тому +1

    This is so good!!!

  • @williamswonderland3636
    @williamswonderland3636 2 роки тому +2

    Were is the asexual charters

  • @alenacaesar8929
    @alenacaesar8929 2 роки тому +4

    I love you