Minju is obviously the backbone of her team, the rest seems to be selected based on complementary looks. If she's the standout yet didn't meet YG BM's requirements, it also speaks volumes about the talent disparity between the two girl groups😮
@@rosegrows1006 they have one of the unique vocals, so base on my preference they have the best vocals in kpop,because some great vocalist in kpop sounds generic
they have right now they really trained Babymonster to become their best vocalist i guess they really experementing now in different genre of course they will still not removing their YG style but they will add something new specially the have a group that really can sing now. @@rosegrows1006
It seems like hybe only achieved big 3's popularity but not the professional coaches that they hire...even now talent wise groups from big 3 are still at the top like nmixx , aepsa , and babymonster. The only thing hybe knows is to add a catchy part in their songs so that it goes viral in tiktok .
Now it make sense why YG is so tough on their trainees when it comes to vocals. BabyMonster went on a reality show and their live singing sounded like the studio version. They are a real monster
Yes!! Unis have vocal talent. Yes they're young but you can tell in their variety shows that they're genuinely having fun being idols. They have the vocals, talent, and natural charisma. Please consider them 😊 if you watch their mnet variety episode you'll find yourself smiling the whole time c:
This is why pretty privilege is a thing bc now n days people just focus on the visuals rather than talent and I think hybe is taking an advantage of that
That's what I've been trying to say Koreans usually prefer visuals over talent it happens everywhere in the world not just in Korea that's one of the only reason is that wonhee debuted over jiwoo.
Hybe is really trying to ruin k-pop. Most of their songs are straight from america or foreign writers, so they don’t sound k-pop at all. And then, not giving good training for their trainees because visual sells better. Very unethical of hybe.
@@Haerincon I think we should say that it’s 4th and 5th gen HYBE groups that aren’t good vocalists, except maybe for Yunjin, Chaewon and Hanni (honorable mention to Hyein for her stability). I don’t know how stable BND are but they seem to be pretty good so far.
Saying "Rather than visuals" is crazy especially considering how visuals are preferred even more than vocals in this case I'd say yg just gets lucky with the vocalists 💀🙏🏻
@@gukkslove1079Their technique might not be that good but they have one of the best live stable vocalists. Like Jisso, Rami, Ahyeon and Asa. Nobody can surpass yg in rap tho. Still best rap in big 3 among gg and then comes Soyeon who is one of the best female rapper in K-pop.
it’s crazy that survival shows are made to evict contestants that have fewer talents than those who should make it yet they still end up debuting the ones that can’t sing at all
@@vixxexo6855wonyoung and sakura do NOT outsing wonhee lmao. she may not be the best 6 months into her training as idol but let's not get ahead of ourselves either
@@Haerinconit's almost impossible to be worse than Sakura like every commentator here can possibly learn to sing better than her in couple months for sure and sadly I'm not even exaggerating
It's as simple. YG artists strive and train to become artists for a long time, not just for 1 contract. The longevity of the career of those who have talent shall prevail.
I think baemon and zb1 are really talented in all aspects at 5 th gen , even riize is also good , but just like that getting awards can hurt few talented idols very bad !
@@Enamiasa_54 I’m not saying that vocals are over dancing I’m just saying like the idols can’t sing so the vocals coached ain’t coaching but the dance coaches are doing their job 😭
@@nakamotoyutaaaaaand also while some of them were good at singing but due to their hard choreo they can’t sing properly and that causes hates comment so i hope hybe should give them atleast once easy chereo to be able to hear their live vocals properly this is not about illit
I think Idol is not always about how they sing,some groups good at singing but not the dance,not the song and didn't deliver the song well let's just say JYP idols good at dancing,SM idols good at singing,YG Idols good at rapping Then HYBE idols is good at Performing
I think hybe is trying to debut as many groups as they can with visuals and attention from their previous successful groups to get money and fame without caring about the quality of the actual memebers
Why should they care? Their music charts #1 everywhere thanks to the thousands of producers they work with and the mediaplay and streams they buy. As long as their groups are successful thanks to deluded teenagers who buy millions of albums, they won't change anything. The only way to stop all this is to boycott the company and stop buying their products..but people are a bunch of sheep
@@Meggi962agree. I thought they will be atleast just as good as Gfriend. And Yunjin and Chaewon are very unreliable as well. They just sound okay. I do not need to mention the other members. Popularity with little talent
I'd give them some grace for their first encore. Minju is the strongest vocalist so I wasn't surprised but let's be honest HYBE def prioritizes visuals over vocal talent.
@@tsuyuasui7297 I see, but as of now. I only like Minju. Let's see. I am still waiting to see them sing live while dancing though. At encore, Atleast they were standing, so I am expecting to hear their voices and capture my heart. :) but I haven't heard it though.
And people who said they are just kids remember most of the idols debut at a young age and still have good vocals so using their age as excuse is ridiculous
That is why we can't deny that hybe is really good at marketing their groups even though their artists are not all good (except seventeen). There are a lot of hybe artists who gained so much attention because of their visuals and not to their talent.
Well no, there is a gg hybe been hiding and not promoting at all when they’re litteraly the most talented girl group, they can easily beat the dozen and can’t sing allegations and they have real rappers. Go check fromis_9 « DM » song and come back you’ll even be mad at hybe for not letting them shine
@@wakasa._.1over👏👏👏 I'm really pissed at how hybe treat fromis, just like how I'm still pissed that source music kicked out gfriend only to debut le sserafim who lack in vocals. It's just unfair how group like fromis have a golden discography and are actually really good yet don't get promoted as they should.
The only one who could sing was the one that trained at YG, makes sense since YG and SM have some of the most extensive training, with insane choreos as trainees in YG and SM dropping basketballs on you to see if you can hold a note
Most of them were crying so I can see why the encore wasn't that good but it doesn't excuse the fact that they can't sing it's hard to defend them because I've heard some of their Mr removed vids
@@trishaj972 minju and yunha carried the group plus I said that doesn't make up for them sounding bad before you try to come for me make sure you read the entire comment 💋
You can't use excuses like they just debuted because there's another gg from a rookie agency that just debuted with only 2 months of training and they are monsters in live stages.
@@FyafliUNis under the new company F&F entertainment. Their first girl group with 2 months of training from their formation to debut. They are F&F entertainment first Group. They were so good at screening the girls. The girls already are so talented before joining Universe ticket. Watch their debut. They also have super good stylist.
Yessss like not only are they simply chosen over their visuals then actual talent, but theirs barely any diversity within their looks and styles. They’re all extremely beautiful girls, but again no diversity within their appearances/styles if that makes sense lol.
For context minju trained at YG for 5yrs she went on BELIFT for 1-3 months before appearing on the survival show and got her place and had pre-debut training. Hybe doesnt have the facilities to produce idols like minju. You'd think with all this money they'd get better coaches
Maybe I’m crazy but reading some of these comments made me realize how hard some kpop fans coddle these idols when it comes to their singing skills. I have never seen a group or a solo artist in the west debut, have horrid live vocals and still be respected as an artist. I always thought singers had to have a natural talent for singing. Skills can be improved and learned over time but we’re talking about singing like you need to have a pleasant voice to begin with. You can’t just raw dog your way through every performance, you can’t just rely on your company to make you sound good every time. Why are some of the most successful kpop idols at best mediocre singers? And you know being able to hit at least a few notes and not sounding like a dying cat is just not enough to do this as your main job. There are people in this industry taking up space when they are absolutely not suited for the job. “Not that bad” is just not enough to be part of this kind of industry.
Thats what I said too like I swear I ain't never seen a western idol struggle singing on stage not once! these K-pop people wanna be westernized so bad but you have to be able to sing to be a western like artist lmao 😭
It's called marketing. Companies rely on customer visual senses. So they pick out the most visually appealing idols with no matter of talent, market them so much, so that by the time the customer realizes that they have no talent, it's too late and they have already become successful and the customer can't do anything about it since that's their bias. Also add in the fear of other fandoms taking over the spot, that's why some fandoms, even when they know the idol is not talented, will stick by them and that's what companies bank on. But this strategy usually lasts for a short while since the idols have to prove that they have talent, mostly during their solo era, and when people see it's not there, they leave. Secondly, companies with talented idols don't pour money into marketing as they feel like the talent will speak for itself which in this era is not a good strategy. That's why you see most talented groups getting their big breaks after 5 years usually
@@donttalk372 I know that kpop companies pick idols based on good looks but that doesn’t explain why kpop fans blindly defend an artist that can’t sing. We could talk about pretty privilege and the halo effect but I personally think a lot of them are just incredibly parasocial . And sure their visuals and how people react to them play a significant role in that parasocial relationship but in my opinion you don’t just suddenly realize that a person cant sing. At the end of the day they are singers and debut with songs, if the song sounds like shit it sounds like shit no matter how pretty the idol is. Your focus can shift and you start prioritizing different qualities in that idol but personally I don’t think that’s the case here. These fans have parasocial relationships with the company, with the artist, even sometimes with the artists manager. A lot of the time they are really young and just chase what’s trendy, kpop has become incredibly mainstream over the past couple of years and companies deliberately create music (and artists) that fit a certain tiktok trend. That’s like you said great for a short period of time but again in my opinion nobody is that blind to the lack of talent in a lot of these groups unless they choose to just ignore it.
Babymonster and Unis are the only ones keeping my hopes up right now! They're really hitting the mark for me. I just don't get what's up with Hybe lately. Are they not finding the right talent for their new groups like Illit? It feels like Illit is just a mishmash of Le Sserafirm and NewJeans. And seriously, why does it seem like none of Hybe's idols can sing? It's a bummer when you're hoping for strong vocals and they don't deliver.
Unis is actually a diamond in the rough, the reason they're not gaining as much attention as ILLIT is because they're not from the big 3, but at least they actually get good outfits since their company is also a fashion giant in Korea.
@@melouromi but their debut was....meh, for me promising group is Geenius with vocals......btw i don't mention Kiss of Life because they are aready BIG!!
Honestly RU NEXT? was SUCH a missed opportunity to release a group of talented all-kill girls. To have girls like Chanel, Jiwoo and Jeemin be overshadowed by someone like Wonhee… it was there where everything went to shit and they had to go with the cute girl concept. No wonder Youngseo left.
Let them hate buddy, their hate will make Baemon more stronger. Just like these piece of shit haters did to BlackPink, and BlackPink Dominated the Industry same gonna happen with Babymonster. They'll be dominating this kpop industries for years to come with their actual talent. Not like these, visual only, talentless group illit, new jeans etc.
We’re lucky unis debuted, only group so far that can sing live 😂 Edit: Babymonster now debuted, they are also added on the list of actual good live vocals in 5th gen.
they are only there to be an idol that sells albums... i dont know how much you noticed but the song itself is not a "singing" song. this is their formula for success and so far people are buying their albums so it works.
its like hybe just debuted them to keep stealing money from people while newjeans was on hiatus lmao these girls are not ready to debut at all theyre more like trainees still
You definitely never heard a fromis9 song, litteraly all of their members are amazing singers, go listen to their song called « DM » you’ll came back gagging
@@wakasa._.1overwow when vocal issues comes in, you HYBe stans use fromis9 as meat shields. Hybe didnt do anything to fromis9 and they disband GFriend to have to Le sseragoats
@@wakasa._.1over fromis_9 originate from Pledis/Stone Entertainment, though. HYBE have never produced a vocally impressive group on their own, Seventeen were Pledis too.
So I discovered illit won most awards and I was intrigued to see how their encore were and as expected from hybe pathetic vocals , just the girl in the middle that I later discovered was yg trainee that makes sense since she was carrying the group !!!
@@albertoofabrega Yes, they are truly great at what they do. And some of the members like Kotoko and Gehlee have improved so much in such a short time without prior training.
Nah i generally think she's often doing too much with the hating but i am waiting for it cause HYBE stans are way to fckin brave online right now hating on blackpink babymonster aespa n nmixx as those groups know how to sing and dance lol
@@chim12 fckin hell they now do those few second video of mistakes of bp aespa and other groups to make them look bad the audiacity when their groups have entire horrible performences
Yunah trained 5yrs, iroha trained 5yrs under jyp, Moka had Training in Japan and at hybe Japan, minju trained for 5yrs at YG, wonhee had 2 weeks worth of training then 9 month pre-debut. They weren't even good on the survival show the only good one was minju thanks to YG. Stop making excuses what was the point of them training for 5yrs if they can't hold a goddamn note?
@@jey2350they were quite LITERALLY CRYING for God's sake cut them some slack.they just won something after a week from their debut why would you not cry after working so hard.
@@moonlight_orange u should see their performance with Charlie puth 🤣☠️😭 they didn't get to use backtrack or lipsync bc they were performing w an artist that can actually sing well live...only jungkook was reasonably good
But there’s also always from for improvement. No idol is going to be perfect right off the bat, no matter how much you try to convince me (and yes, that includes nmixx. Their vocals may have been good at debut but their rapping was trash at debut but it’s better now bcs.. you’ll never believe it… IMPROVEMENT!) like lord have mercy, the way you all act as if the idols you stan aren’t currently struggling with something is astounding.
@@Mariah-bg2sc practice makes perfect. I don't expect anyone to be Mariah Carey or Nicki minaj right from the start. But what's the point of not being able to sing the song they released ? That's my point. Isn't it literally a scam ?? They use autotune and voiceover to act like they're singing and dancing at the same time just to turn out they can't even sing the few lines they have while standing.
Often I have seen Japanese members struggle with vocals. They're often the main dancers e.g. Twice, enhypen, lesserafim, illit and many more but they have this distinctive breathy voice that doesn't let them sing properly here in the case of Moka. Anyway, good job, Minju💗 Ps. The Sakura mention was just🤣
They don't focus in training vocals, that's why, if you listen to japanese idol groups, they have that cute childish voice and great stamina but lack stability... they focus on different aspects
Be for real all of the members are stable except for moka (because she was crying) which she fixed towards the end of the song. If you didn’t watch the entire encore just say so!!
THANK YOUUU, It seems like this video was made for all the salty people that are STILL mad that their ideal lineup didn't make it, cause they all sounded fine except for moka who was choking up
This is what happens when you rig a show and only choose visuals. Not surprised the only one who could sing is from YG. Also vote for Jeemin on i-land 2
Well 1 out of 5 is not good for a professional girl group even after r u next..what are they doing during their past training days? They have the time to prepare everything for the past 6 months. Was it?
Minju and yunah can sing. Not sure with the other 3. 😅 Well there will be next chance for them to prove it. They will definitely win again one day and we need to see their encore for the 2nd time. If it's the same as this. Then that's it. No more excuses. 😅 Also need to observe baby monster live performances. For now there is 2 nugu groups that i'm observing and those groups can really sing 😂
I personally feel like this video could have been worded more nicely but as someone thats a fan of ILLIT I agree they really could use some vocal training and i think that a couple years from now they'll improve and come back bigger and stronger
lol a couple of years. Do you give your plumber that much time to improve while he ruins your toilet? HYBE isn't a small agency but a multi-billion dollar entertainment behemoth with all the resource to carefully select the best talents yet you sheep are making excuses for them
@@onlydbraskotheyre kids. i dont blame them for not caring about actual artistic value and immaturely stanning, but i just wish theyd at least show the courtesy of staying out of these discussions.
Lmao the nervous excuse is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Y’all realize that’s the whole point of the whole trainee system, to put them under intense pressure and see how they perform. No way performing at a music show in front of adoring fans and when you already have the security of being a debuted idol is more nerve wracking than doing monthly evaluations in front of the company higher ups who will literally decide your future plus fellow trainees who are all hoping you crash and burn so they have a better shot. This is a pure (lack of) skill issue
It absolutely is true that they are noticeably nervous out their mind hearing their actual voices makes me realize they have alot of potential there just needs to be a way to bring it out
![ILLIT, THE SHOW CHOICE! [THE SHOW 240402]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sUN8c1TzgVs/mqdefault.jpg)
A group that looks like NewJeans and sounds like Le Sserafim 💀
THIS
And you praise babymonster for sounding like and looking like blackpink
😂😂😂
@@Niko00424because it’s literally a yg group
@@boomersender so why is illit being hated/criticized for looking like another hybe gg? I don't understand
The only one who can (barely) sing is a former YG trainee.
Who?
@@MEBARISHANongtngerMinju
Listen to every group besides Blackpink they're all so good😊
Yg trainees actually have to have talent😭
@@Sweetmelon15girl bp sing very well in their encore
Minju is obviously the backbone of her team, the rest seems to be selected based on complementary looks. If she's the standout yet didn't meet YG BM's requirements, it also speaks volumes about the talent disparity between the two girl groups😮
Trueeee
Yep, seems like we're just getting another dance group like le sserafim. I hate hybe.
They came from a rigged show What did people expect? All they did is some ps as preparation to be an idol..
Exactly!
@@SunhaJaePS? Why did they look the same from the show then?
I really hope kiss of life win a music show. I’d love to hear them sing a encore they’d kill it.
Frrr
i hope so too 🥲
Midas Touch is fire 🔥
@@catngaumno it ain’t
@@Nana.U6 we get ur music taste is shit boo
minju used to train under YG so it makes sense that she is the only one that can hold a note and be stable tbh
Yes , YG may not have the best technique in vocals but best in live singing
@@Enamiasa_54 yeah
@@Enamiasa_54they improved with baby monstere
For real 😂
@@Enamiasa_54they have the best technique too in the whole industry. Their vocal tones are rare to find in kpop industry.
It’s not a surprise that the one who can sing was trained at YG.
Exactly, YG idols>>>>😊
yg idols may not have the best vocalists but their live vocals r better than some good vocalists 💀
@@rosegrows1006 they have one of the unique vocals, so base on my preference they have the best vocals in kpop,because some great vocalist in kpop sounds generic
they have right now they really trained Babymonster to become their best vocalist i guess they really experementing now in different genre of course they will still not removing their YG style but they will add something new specially the have a group that really can sing now. @@rosegrows1006
It seems like hybe only achieved big 3's popularity but not the professional coaches that they hire...even now talent wise groups from big 3 are still at the top like nmixx , aepsa , and babymonster. The only thing hybe knows is to add a catchy part in their songs so that it goes viral in tiktok .
Yg prefer quality over quantity
And that's why YG, JYP and SM will always be the big3
Wrong
@@melanie9035 right*
@@melanie9035why? Genuinely asking lol
Well, HYBE isn't strict enough, they dont even buy vocal trainers for them.. Its good in a way cuz HYBE let them do what they want
Yeah sure but learning about the main skill of ur job is not an option, i guess, it's a must@@georgepierre3594
Now it make sense why YG is so tough on their trainees when it comes to vocals. BabyMonster went on a reality show and their live singing sounded like the studio version. They are a real monster
YG isn't so tough when it comes to vocals tho they are just better than hype
@@saynarai idk Babymonster clearly has better vocals than 90% of active GG's and all their main vocalists are like 16 lol.
@@Paradoxious I think UNIS's members all have good vocals like Babymonster
@@mr.slimeyt 100%, I said 90%, gotta remember there are hundreds of gg's.
Too bad YG doesn’t make good music anymore (in my opinion)
the only reason why minju can sing is that she isn't a hybe traine but ygs 🤭
Yes and people says that hybe is better than yg
Now admit hybe fans yge is better at training idols
I think it would be better if she join baemon
@@Hellokitty_391no Baemon is perfect now
@@Harpreetkaur-ry7yfyeah hybe is better then yg
@Harpreetkaur-ry7yf They are, tho
"were they getting vocal lessons from sakura?" you did not say that😭😭
Yeah, what were they doing during the past training days?
Lol 😂
NAURRRR😭🤣
Like 4-5 years for some members is crazy
In girlgroups it’s almost always the Japanese members who just cannot sing whatsoever lol
Sm : visual,vocal
Jyp : talent
Yg : all rounder
Hybe : f*ck vocal, rap, sp...we need visual
Sm is talent too 😂😂😂
As an army it is very embarrassing. Bighit was soo good. Hybe is a mess
Saying YG is more well rounded than SM is insane and straight up bias
@@Iluv_ritI agree!!! I'm a MOA and no one can say that their vocals are bad
seventeen saving hybe vocals now lmao 😭 but it's disrespectful to call it hybe vocals since they were trained from pledis
Everyone please reconsider UNIS. The group is stacked with vocal talent. They are not from Big 4 company but you’ll not get disappointed. I swear.
Yes!! Unis have vocal talent. Yes they're young but you can tell in their variety shows that they're genuinely having fun being idols. They have the vocals, talent, and natural charisma. Please consider them 😊 if you watch their mnet variety episode you'll find yourself smiling the whole time c:
let's get UNIS their win so we can have a decent encore.
and VVUP
Baby monster here!
no one cares
This is why pretty privilege is a thing bc now n days people just focus on the visuals rather than talent and I think hybe is taking an advantage of that
That's what I've been trying to say Koreans usually prefer visuals over talent it happens everywhere in the world not just in Korea that's one of the only reason is that wonhee debuted over jiwoo.
@@Haerincon I think jiwoo was one of older contestants and yknow how Koreans like their idols.. YOUNG
Considering them neglecting babymonster and nmixx because of this visuals speaks a lot
Hybe is really trying to ruin k-pop. Most of their songs are straight from america or foreign writers, so they don’t sound k-pop at all. And then, not giving good training for their trainees because visual sells better. Very unethical of hybe.
@@Enamiasa_54 they are so talented
are we surprised?? it's a hybe group
@@Haerincon I think we should say that it’s 4th and 5th gen HYBE groups that aren’t good vocalists, except maybe for Yunjin, Chaewon and Hanni (honorable mention to Hyein for her stability). I don’t know how stable BND are but they seem to be pretty good so far.
@@Haerincon tbh svt & fromis_9 are the only hybe groups with good to decent vocals, but that was only because they were under pledis before
@@Haerinconsaying jungkock is crazy u clearly need some hearing aids I fear
@@feedmyfoopa9683Jungkook is great what are you on about?
@@Amandine___there’s no way u just said yunjin 💀
This group is really:
Visual >>> Talent
Tbh they're not that pretty, it's just that they have white skin that's it. None of their visual caught my attention ( just my opinion)
Let’s be honest here though. Had this been a boy group, half of yall would be like, “don’t disrespect my oppar!!”
@@ItoshimiEXACTLY
@@Itoshimi not when my fav is svt, riize, and b2st/highlight
@@Itoshimi realll
Now i Know that YG just Focuses on Skills rather than Visuals and its clear. Like debut less groups But They should be SS quality
Someone obviously doesn't know the difference between talents and skills😭
Damn sorry eng isn't my first language and my vocab may not be so gud
Saying "Rather than visuals" is crazy especially considering how visuals are preferred even more than vocals in this case I'd say yg just gets lucky with the vocalists 💀🙏🏻
@@gukkslove1079Their technique might not be that good but they have one of the best live stable vocalists. Like Jisso, Rami, Ahyeon and Asa. Nobody can surpass yg in rap tho. Still best rap in big 3 among gg and then comes Soyeon who is one of the best female rapper in K-pop.
@@gukkslove1079 Luck? Haha bro that's childish , It's because they focuses more on Skills than visuals
it’s crazy that survival shows are made to evict contestants that have fewer talents than those who should make it yet they still end up debuting the ones that can’t sing at all
@minisastaycsome people say that other groups still stable even though in crying time
@@vixxexo6855wonyoung and sakura do NOT outsing wonhee lmao. she may not be the best 6 months into her training as idol but let's not get ahead of ourselves either
@@vixxexo6855 Weirdo imagine saying this about a minor
They can sing. I am not deft!
Visuals and concept are above vocal
mentioning sakura is so funny cuz real
I wouldn't say they were as bad as Sakura but then again they weren't good
@@Haerinconit's almost impossible to be worse than Sakura like every commentator here can possibly learn to sing better than her in couple months for sure and sadly I'm not even exaggerating
@@Haerincon this is so funny and so true 🤣 ngl i think sakura's voice is dead; she prob damaged her vocal chords or smth but still this comparison 🤣🤣
People need to wake tf up and agree how bad sakura is at singing
@@Haerinconthey were good
It's as simple. YG artists strive and train to become artists for a long time, not just for 1 contract. The longevity of the career of those who have talent shall prevail.
The promising 5th gen gg for me are Babymonster & Unis
Kiof too*
Kiss of life for me
Kiss of life
Who is that?@@nikitamuskan2962
that's so real man/woman
I think baemon and zb1 are really talented in all aspects at 5 th gen , even riize is also good , but just like that getting awards can hurt few talented idols very bad !
And kiss of life too
I would add EL7ZUP and ARTMS to the list as well.
unis is talented too. Baemon yez.
unis and kiof. they sing live in 99 percent of their preformances
For me UNIS and Babymonster are really talented. Can even sing live in. Agood shape
atp hybe needs to do dance based groups because the funding for vocal training is LACKING
Exactly, vocals are way more important than dancing
@@Enamiasa_54 I’m not saying that vocals are over dancing I’m just saying like the idols can’t sing so the vocals coached ain’t coaching but the dance coaches are doing their job 😭
@@nakamotoyutaaaaaand also while some of them were good at singing but due to their hard choreo they can’t sing properly and that causes hates comment so i hope hybe should give them atleast once easy chereo to be able to hear their live vocals properly this is not about illit
@@Simpfor7ENVamps they barely danced in the encore , are you talking about the stages bc if so they did well in terms of vocals
I think Idol is not always about how they sing,some groups good at singing but not the dance,not the song and didn't deliver the song well
let's just say JYP idols good at dancing,SM idols good at singing,YG Idols good at rapping Then HYBE idols is good at Performing
This clarifies that yg makes the most talented idolss
I think hybe is trying to debut as many groups as they can with visuals and attention from their previous successful groups to get money and fame without caring about the quality of the actual memebers
Why should they care? Their music charts #1 everywhere thanks to the thousands of producers they work with and the mediaplay and streams they buy. As long as their groups are successful thanks to deluded teenagers who buy millions of albums, they won't change anything. The only way to stop all this is to boycott the company and stop buying their products..but people are a bunch of sheep
@@Fearless.cat1209 Bingo
Seventeen tws enhypen txt boynextdoor newjeans bts fromis_9 are hybe groups and they can sing
@@Otter_Garam im talking about the recent debut and soon to debut ggs i love newjeans and txt
HYBE is a terrible company.
They're ruining Kpop.
@@uforc49kie69 I agree with you!
@@uforc49kie69bridges is not a most in songs if u no nothing about music shut up everything about hybe is nothing but lies
@@uforc49kie69Agreed
Hybe CEO wants to remove the K From kpop 😅
@@Meggi962agree. I thought they will be atleast just as good as Gfriend. And Yunjin and Chaewon are very unreliable as well. They just sound okay. I do not need to mention the other members.
Popularity with little talent
I'd give them some grace for their first encore. Minju is the strongest vocalist so I wasn't surprised but let's be honest HYBE def prioritizes visuals over vocal talent.
I can say I only like Minju. She can deliver well.
@@trishaj972yuna ate too
@@tsuyuasui7297 I see, but as of now. I only like Minju. Let's see. I am still waiting to see them sing live while dancing though. At encore, Atleast they were standing, so I am expecting to hear their voices and capture my heart. :) but I haven't heard it though.
Yunha was struggling minju was the only one that didn't struggle with the entire encore
well no, Hybe has a gg with full of talented ppl with insane visual and that group is clearly and easily beating the dozen and can’t sing allegations
And people who said they are just kids remember most of the idols debut at a young age and still have good vocals so using their age as excuse is ridiculous
LET ME REITERATE
Yunah, Jeemin, Jeongeun, Jiwoo, Minju, Youngseo & Chanelle are the ones who should debut.
youngseo won runext but she left illit before they debuted 💔
I think out of all the members Minju and Yunah are most stable imo
Even , they sound only good when they are expected to sound way better than this
What about Iroha?
The worst part is They were better compare to other members but still bad
@@pau-nn1dwminju ain’t bad and so is yunah
@@guinnmyahslaysstaymad wait that was good for you? My classmate can outsing them all in that range, Like how low is your standard?
I am happy to know that Minju is a former YG trainee, it makes sense because she is the only member who can sing
That is why we can't deny that hybe is really good at marketing their groups even though their artists are not all good (except seventeen). There are a lot of hybe artists who gained so much attention because of their visuals and not to their talent.
Well no, there is a gg hybe been hiding and not promoting at all when they’re litteraly the most talented girl group, they can easily beat the dozen and can’t sing allegations and they have real rappers. Go check fromis_9 « DM » song and come back you’ll even be mad at hybe for not letting them shine
@@wakasa._.1over👏👏👏 I'm really pissed at how hybe treat fromis, just like how I'm still pissed that source music kicked out gfriend only to debut le sserafim who lack in vocals.
It's just unfair how group like fromis have a golden discography and are actually really good yet don't get promoted as they should.
@@vvubbihikngidhdhhd Fromis is so talented and is way more talented than all of the hybe gg combined. But since hybe do not like talented people
Lmaoo
Except whatt???
The newer groups from HYBE are mostly just visuals. Nothing else to offer. They need to stop debuting "visual only" idols and train them properly.
The only one who could sing was the one that trained at YG, makes sense since YG and SM have some of the most extensive training, with insane choreos as trainees in YG and SM dropping basketballs on you to see if you can hold a note
They are the og companies..the big 3
They shit on the girl in your pfp previously too but she most definitely improved in their recent comeback.
Momo can sleep now peacefully
😂😂 ghosh leave her alone
Lol , She is at least Better than them 😂
Momos been able to sleep peacefully since half of the 4th Gen debut
Momo is low-key smiling before going to sleep 😂
Momo were terrified when she get the mic on 😂😂😂
When they formed a group by visuals and forgot that talent should come first.
All the YG groups can sing live that's why they are the most popular in K-pop 👑
True. Even their former yg artist can sing like 2ne1, bigbang, lee hi
Yunah actually did well too tho..like she did not sound a mess at all
she was off-tune
@@caffeineismydrug_ she sounded like the record they put out
She is struggling.
@@Hellokitty_391barely.
can u not be delusional
Most of them were crying so I can see why the encore wasn't that good but it doesn't excuse the fact that they can't sing it's hard to defend them because I've heard some of their Mr removed vids
Only one is crying???
@@trishaj972 iroha and moka were crying
@@Haerincon Ok, so 2 out of 5? I will only like Minju in this group but she cannot carry the group alone?
@@trishaj972 minju and yunha carried the group plus I said that doesn't make up for them sounding bad before you try to come for me make sure you read the entire comment 💋
Mr removed are mostly all fake and deep webed
Hybe eliminated Jiwoo, the best vocalist of the entire r u next drama
the NERVE
THANKS FOR GIVING ME A REASON TO GO BACK WATCHING UNIS LIVE PERFORMANCES
It's wlways "they're crying" , "they're nervous" , " they just debuted , give them time"
let see Babymonster
Dont forget the sickness excuse 😅
You can't use excuses like they just debuted because there's another gg from a rookie agency that just debuted with only 2 months of training and they are monsters in live stages.
with LIVE VOCALS while dancing complex hard choreos.
Who?
Unis
@@FyafliUNis under the new company F&F entertainment. Their first girl group with 2 months of training from their formation to debut. They are F&F entertainment first Group. They were so good at screening the girls. The girls already are so talented before joining Universe ticket. Watch their debut. They also have super good stylist.
YUP UNIS IS AMAZING.
watch babymonster, holding their note like angels♥rami pulled out her vocals in an interview catched off guard and went viral with her insane voice
Why do they ALL look the same?? 💀
Yessss like not only are they simply chosen over their visuals then actual talent, but theirs barely any diversity within their looks and styles. They’re all extremely beautiful girls, but again no diversity within their appearances/styles if that makes sense lol.
For context minju trained at YG for 5yrs she went on BELIFT for 1-3 months before appearing on the survival show and got her place and had pre-debut training. Hybe doesnt have the facilities to produce idols like minju. You'd think with all this money they'd get better coaches
But sad to say.. Illit is a group not individual so Minju cannot carry the whole group?
Maybe I’m crazy but reading some of these comments made me realize how hard some kpop fans coddle these idols when it comes to their singing skills. I have never seen a group or a solo artist in the west debut, have horrid live vocals and still be respected as an artist. I always thought singers had to have a natural talent for singing. Skills can be improved and learned over time but we’re talking about singing like you need to have a pleasant voice to begin with. You can’t just raw dog your way through every performance, you can’t just rely on your company to make you sound good every time.
Why are some of the most successful kpop idols at best mediocre singers? And you know being able to hit at least a few notes and not sounding like a dying cat is just not enough to do this as your main job. There are people in this industry taking up space when they are absolutely not suited for the job.
“Not that bad” is just not enough to be part of this kind of industry.
Thats what I said too like I swear I ain't never seen a western idol struggle singing on stage not once! these K-pop people wanna be westernized so bad but you have to be able to sing to be a western like artist lmao 😭
@@_sxnnymya157why tf you a kpop fan for bashing kpop like it's crap like bro wtf
It's called marketing.
Companies rely on customer visual senses. So they pick out the most visually appealing idols with no matter of talent, market them so much, so that by the time the customer realizes that they have no talent, it's too late and they have already become successful and the customer can't do anything about it since that's their bias.
Also add in the fear of other fandoms taking over the spot, that's why some fandoms, even when they know the idol is not talented, will stick by them and that's what companies bank on.
But this strategy usually lasts for a short while since the idols have to prove that they have talent, mostly during their solo era, and when people see it's not there, they leave.
Secondly, companies with talented idols don't pour money into marketing as they feel like the talent will speak for itself which in this era is not a good strategy. That's why you see most talented groups getting their big breaks after 5 years usually
@@donttalk372 I know that kpop companies pick idols based on good looks but that doesn’t explain why kpop fans blindly defend an artist that can’t sing. We could talk about pretty privilege and the halo effect but I personally think a lot of them are just incredibly parasocial . And sure their visuals and how people react to them play a significant role in that parasocial relationship but in my opinion you don’t just suddenly realize that a person cant sing. At the end of the day they are singers and debut with songs, if the song sounds like shit it sounds like shit no matter how pretty the idol is. Your focus can shift and you start prioritizing different qualities in that idol but personally I don’t think that’s the case here. These fans have parasocial relationships with the company, with the artist, even sometimes with the artists manager.
A lot of the time they are really young and just chase what’s trendy, kpop has become incredibly mainstream over the past couple of years and companies deliberately create music (and artists) that fit a certain tiktok trend. That’s like you said great for a short period of time but again in my opinion nobody is that blind to the lack of talent in a lot of these groups unless they choose to just ignore it.
@@_sxnnymya157Selena Gomez? Dua lipa? Lay Bangz or whatever her name is?
Hybe destroyed Kpop.
Babymonster and Unis are the only ones keeping my hopes up right now! They're really hitting the mark for me. I just don't get what's up with Hybe lately. Are they not finding the right talent for their new groups like Illit? It feels like Illit is just a mishmash of Le Sserafirm and NewJeans. And seriously, why does it seem like none of Hybe's idols can sing? It's a bummer when you're hoping for strong vocals and they don't deliver.
You can put hope on VVUP ALSO
@@putrinabilah9660 I agree. They are also really good.
Lol recently I saw a vocal coach video about kpop companies vocals and he said that seventeen is carrying hybe vocal line💀😭
Unis is actually a diamond in the rough, the reason they're not gaining as much attention as ILLIT is because they're not from the big 3, but at least they actually get good outfits since their company is also a fashion giant in Korea.
@@melouromi but their debut was....meh, for me promising group is Geenius with vocals......btw i don't mention Kiss of Life because they are aready BIG!!
at this point,I feel like theres a high chance for me to debut in hybe.🤭🤭
did u forget the part where it said that u also needed to be pretty 😬
@@bbrgrsbut what if she is pretty 😅
@@bbrgrsthat is easy to achieve nowadays....by plastic surgery. Easier than training.
As long as u get good plastic surgery, u are good to go
@@B.A.R.B.I.E then imma support her
Honestly RU NEXT? was SUCH a missed opportunity to release a group of talented all-kill girls.
To have girls like Chanel, Jiwoo and Jeemin be overshadowed by someone like Wonhee… it was there where everything went to shit and they had to go with the cute girl concept.
No wonder Youngseo left.
😢 sadly it's true
@@Haerincon I could write a whole thesis abt it. It could have been what LE SSERAFIM should have been
Im sorry but Jeemin and Youngseo were either nasal af and had terrible vocal tones so thank god neither of them debuted 😭 (vote Jeemin on iland2 tho)
It's working for hybe all the group's they debuted are successful even tho their vocals are either mid or weak
@@user-qc7tg2pv4omoka and iroha also sound nasal ash tho
Hey, do you mind doing a video in Babymonster’s Sheesh? I would love to hear ur opinions about it.
And people are hating on babymonster against these girls
Who wouldn't? I'd rather Stan illit that some group that makes cringy music and who has the most racist member ever..
I'd rather go for a pluggnb concept than recycled black pink 2.0 girlies lets be fr💀🙏🏻
Let them hate buddy, their hate will make Baemon more stronger. Just like these piece of shit haters did to BlackPink, and BlackPink Dominated the Industry same gonna happen with Babymonster. They'll be dominating this kpop industries for years to come with their actual talent.
Not like these, visual only, talentless group illit, new jeans etc.
@@kingarmish absolutely right bro production filter on voice no actual talent
@@gukkslove1079 and you stan singer who can't even sing live and hating on actual talented singer ... grow man grow
We’re lucky unis debuted, only group so far that can sing live 😂
Edit: Babymonster now debuted, they are also added on the list of actual good live vocals in 5th gen.
@@NswerfromMixxtopia-ei4pd 5th gen
@@NswerfromMixxtopia-ei4pd he/she was talking abt 5th gen idols
Indeed! Pls add Baby Monster❤️
@@sanainthesky oh sorry my bad
Not kotoko but yes agree !
Only minju and yunah were the ones who could be stable , i have seen idols cry and singing well like that’s the lamest excuse
wonhee and iroha sang well tho? like please point me out the bad parts
@@novainluv iroha not bad but not good, wonhee is kinda decent
Bruh not everyone is the same
Some people struggle sing/speak when crying
people have different singing abilities when stressed
@@vivid_blossomswell let's look forward and see their vocals when they're not 'stressed'
"Did they get vocal training from Sakura?" 😂😂😂
I wanna see other groups recently debuted win, so we can also hear their encore.
kiss of life would shake these girls off lmao
Babymonster>>>>
unis would kill the stage they are the best when it comes singing live
@@jey2350real they ate their debut
Indeed. Baby monster & Unis
they are only there to be an idol that sells albums... i dont know how much you noticed but the song itself is not a "singing" song. this is their formula for success and so far people are buying their albums so it works.
Agreed
That I agree 👍
Hybe stans go stan the composer instead of these girls,they dont even have passion in singing..
its like hybe just debuted them to keep stealing money from people while newjeans was on hiatus lmao these girls are not ready to debut at all theyre more like trainees still
@@hafizishakhafiz7624 i dont know.... how you you come to that conclusion tho?
They all look the same shade of boring. Hybe girl groups seem a little too contrived and fake.
“They were crying!” Okay but why are they shying away from the mics..
I am not even surprised ??? it's a hype group
You definitely never heard a fromis9 song, litteraly all of their members are amazing singers, go listen to their song called « DM » you’ll came back gagging
@@wakasa._.1overwow when vocal issues comes in, you HYBe stans use fromis9 as meat shields. Hybe didnt do anything to fromis9 and they disband GFriend to have to Le sseragoats
@@wakasa._.1over fromis_9 originate from Pledis/Stone Entertainment, though. HYBE have never produced a vocally impressive group on their own, Seventeen were Pledis too.
@@MoonfallMidnight I know
Seventeen tws enhypen txt boynextdoor newjeans bts fromis_9 are hybe groups and they can sing
Wonhee vanneers really makes me cry why do they fit so awkwardly also minju is the visual and best singer in illit
Even though she got them reduced for the debut she needs just 1 more size down and she’ll be perfect
@@hellobye7697 right remember in runway her banners took up 80% of her teetg
@@berrylovelyz3606 yess it was so bad she could barley speak
Wonhee has veneers??? What?
@@tsuyuasui7297 you can tell also look at her smile those are not natural 😭
the fact that they got 2 members only to carry the whole group in live singing is crazy tho.
So I discovered illit won most awards and I was intrigued to see how their encore were and as expected from hybe pathetic vocals , just the girl in the middle that I later discovered was yg trainee that makes sense since she was carrying the group !!!
Watch UNIS singing live they all can sing, and take note they only have 3 months training.❤
True. And they can also sing their songs while dancing.
UNIS didn't have any issues singing live and dancing...
@@albertoofabrega Yes, they are truly great at what they do. And some of the members like Kotoko and Gehlee have improved so much in such a short time without prior training.
Agreeddd
Indeed! That's why I prefer to Stan talented girls❤️
It's worse than i thought it would be. They're clearly ashamed, so they keep themselves too quiet to hear.
Yuna also sang at a passable level.
One thing I noticed during The encore is that they were constantly yelling out lyrics
@@Haerinconthey were yelling only repetitive "you and bae" parts cuz it's impossible to sing them like in studio ver ykno😅
@@Haerinconthe only parts they were yelling out were the "you you " and "Bae bae " part.....you guys are actually delusional
@@tsuyuasui7297 actually they were shouting the lyrics when moka or iroha would sing 💋
@@Haerincon So? That's bc moka and iroha were crying and they would only shout the last parts.... you thought you ate.
Tf they didn’t make a powerful lineup while Belift had the best trainees like jiwoo jeemin and chanelle???? Belift dug there own grave
don't tell me im the only one waiting for her opinion on Lsrfm coachella performance
Nah i generally think she's often doing too much with the hating but i am waiting for it cause HYBE stans are way to fckin brave online right now hating on blackpink babymonster aespa n nmixx as those groups know how to sing and dance lol
@@multistanhuhue1601 omg ikr its so embarassing just by watching their comments
@@chim12 fckin hell they now do those few second video of mistakes of bp aespa and other groups to make them look bad the audiacity when their groups have entire horrible performences
@@multistanhuhue1601you do know aespa stans and black pink stans are enemies right?
They were crying and jumping oh my god they just debuted like....
Yunah trained 5yrs, iroha trained 5yrs under jyp, Moka had Training in Japan and at hybe Japan, minju trained for 5yrs at YG, wonhee had 2 weeks worth of training then 9 month pre-debut. They weren't even good on the survival show the only good one was minju thanks to YG. Stop making excuses what was the point of them training for 5yrs if they can't hold a goddamn note?
thats NOT a excuse. NMIXX, for example, debuted shaking the stage with their powerful vocals. no excuse for being talentless.
@@jey2350Well that's Nmixx, they all sounded fine, only moka was off bc she was literally crying
@@jey2350they were quite LITERALLY CRYING for God's sake cut them some slack.they just won something after a week from their debut why would you not cry after working so hard.
They were crying because they have to sing live
guess what, jp is the culprit again.
- momo, sakura, moka
with the exception of jimin & jin 🙈 and kazuha almost getting caught.
Jimin and v can't sing to save their life 😂😂
@@tinanguyen1992 I'm unsure of v though but hearing jimin hurts my ears lmao
@@moonlight_orange u should see their performance with Charlie puth 🤣☠️😭 they didn't get to use backtrack or lipsync bc they were performing w an artist that can actually sing well live...only jungkook was reasonably good
@@tinanguyen1992 oh my god ... i just watched it. damn that's awkward ...
why is she keep gaining subs
Who
@@theboyinthedark6521 sultry feces
Moka was literally crying…
Fans will try defending that "they're new" but shouldn't a singer be able to sing the song they released??
they are able to sing their song, 2 of them were crying and the other three sounded fine?
Singers should be able to sing. HYBE has no singers…
But there’s also always from for improvement. No idol is going to be perfect right off the bat, no matter how much you try to convince me (and yes, that includes nmixx. Their vocals may have been good at debut but their rapping was trash at debut but it’s better now bcs.. you’ll never believe it… IMPROVEMENT!) like lord have mercy, the way you all act as if the idols you stan aren’t currently struggling with something is astounding.
@@Mariah-bg2sc practice makes perfect. I don't expect anyone to be Mariah Carey or Nicki minaj right from the start. But what's the point of not being able to sing the song they released ? That's my point. Isn't it literally a scam ?? They use autotune and voiceover to act like they're singing and dancing at the same time just to turn out they can't even sing the few lines they have while standing.
@@hellofromtheotherside5728 you just said a whole bunch of nonsense
Often I have seen Japanese members struggle with vocals. They're often the main dancers e.g. Twice, enhypen, lesserafim, illit and many more but they have this distinctive breathy voice that doesn't let them sing properly here in the case of Moka.
Anyway, good job, Minju💗
Ps. The Sakura mention was just🤣
They don't focus in training vocals, that's why, if you listen to japanese idol groups, they have that cute childish voice and great stamina but lack stability... they focus on different aspects
How bout rei cover of lee hi, she ate them all😂
Omg why havent I noticed that.
The japanese members struggle a lot. I wonder why 🤔
@@saksa-k985everyone does a greay job when its a cover because it can be filmed amd recrod3d manh times
This slander site needs to be taken down
Waiting for your Coachella 2024 review 🙏🏾
Same here 🙏🏻
kpop idol singing should only be at good level or excellent...and not a poor
Illit fighting! Let's improve , I'm sure you, girls, can!
The only one that can sing is the rejected babymonster YG trainee
MINJU AND CHANELLE A FORMER TRAINEE AT YG IS THE ONLY TWO WHO CAN SING ESPECIALLY CHANELLE SHE SO GOOD OMG
BABYMONSTER outsang
Doesn't outsing rats
Be for real all of the members are stable except for moka (because she was crying) which she fixed towards the end of the song. If you didn’t watch the entire encore just say so!!
THANK YOUUU, It seems like this video was made for all the salty people that are STILL mad that their ideal lineup didn't make it, cause they all sounded fine except for moka who was choking up
You need to be for real Moka was litteraly whispering Yunah was bad and wonhee iroha were terrible
Yunah was really struggling, you could see how she had to tilt her head downward in order to hit some notes.
THAT is “being stable” for you?? Your standarts are wayy too low 😭
actually moka cab't really sing, it's always been like that
Shit I can't even find an excuse to protect them☠️☠️☠️
This is what happens when you rig a show and only choose visuals. Not surprised the only one who could sing is from YG. Also vote for Jeemin on i-land 2
I thought they did pretty good better than that LS a few weeks ago 😂
Well 1 out of 5 is not good for a professional girl group even after r u next..what are they doing during their past training days? They have the time to prepare everything for the past 6 months. Was it?
@@Danah38Ls had 3 years not counting their trainee days also previous groups yet they still can't improve at all
@@Danah38yunah wonhee and iroha did well too
watching lsfm’s encore made me think illit’s encore is decent😭
@@tsuyuasui7297yes they did!! i hope in their next encore they’ll be able redeem themselves🥺
Minju and yunah can sing. Not sure with the other 3. 😅 Well there will be next chance for them to prove it. They will definitely win again one day and we need to see their encore for the 2nd time. If it's the same as this. Then that's it. No more excuses. 😅 Also need to observe baby monster live performances. For now there is 2 nugu groups that i'm observing and those groups can really sing 😂
I'm constantly refreshing this channel EXPECTING a video about the lsf coachella performance!
5th gen leaders are Kiss of life and Babymonster
I’m not surprised. It’s HYBE. They will do it to NewJeans too 😭
"Are they getting vocal lessons from Sakura?" The shadeeee 😭😭
BABYMONSTER AND UNIS FOR ME IN 5TH GEN
Can you make a review of Le Sserafim's Coachella performance
HYBE's definition of talent is visual and dancing (not even rapping i fear💀)
since when do hybe idols can sing? isn't' this the norm for them?
I thought they always debut Dance Group GG
Seventeen tws enhypen txt boynextdoor newjeans bts fromis_9 are hybe groups and they can sing
"Big ass veneers” is crazy 😭
I personally feel like this video could have been worded more nicely but as someone thats a fan of ILLIT I agree they really could use some vocal training and i think that a couple years from now they'll improve and come back bigger and stronger
lol a couple of years. Do you give your plumber that much time to improve while he ruins your toilet? HYBE isn't a small agency but a multi-billion dollar entertainment behemoth with all the resource to carefully select the best talents yet you sheep are making excuses for them
@@onlydbraskotheyre kids. i dont blame them for not caring about actual artistic value and immaturely stanning, but i just wish theyd at least show the courtesy of staying out of these discussions.
Oh, the dogs are barking in here
These haters are insane 😭btw love the pfp
Lmao the nervous excuse is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Y’all realize that’s the whole point of the whole trainee system, to put them under intense pressure and see how they perform. No way performing at a music show in front of adoring fans and when you already have the security of being a debuted idol is more nerve wracking than doing monthly evaluations in front of the company higher ups who will literally decide your future plus fellow trainees who are all hoping you crash and burn so they have a better shot.
This is a pure (lack of) skill issue
It absolutely is true that they are noticeably nervous out their mind hearing their actual voices makes me realize they have alot of potential there just needs to be a way to bring it out
it’s like newjeans and le sserafim had a baby
Cuteness will not last longer, but good vocal will
I seriously miss when bandpd used to choose members like hybe is being too careless