I really enjoyed this segment Tim. I always enjoyed helping my friend with his pre-op set up. At times I found that to be as challenging, if not more so, then the regular op session.
Another great video. Committed to watching the series. Outstanding Teaching Seminar Techniques and demonstration with the why questions answered clearly
Another great video, Tim. I was wondering the loaded hoppers of corn will always leave ADM empty, never reloaded with DDG? Building a ethanol industry on my layout.
Thanks! No, those corn hoppers are assigned in pools which prohibits them from being reloaded. They must return empty to the interchange they were received as loads from. The DDG product is loaded in the larger private marked cars that are designated specifically for loading this product at this location.
Hey Tim, great video. I'm learning alot from you and it's making my run sessions alot more fun. I run by myself so I can take my time. I like to wait a few seconds between each move to simulate hooking up air hoses and charging the air before moving the cars. But, I have a question. Do the hand brakes release automatically when the cars are charged with air, or does the crew have to release them by hand?
Thanks! No, the handbrakes have to be applied and released manually. Depending on the conductor or brakeman and how many brakes are needed to secure the equipment this can take some time. Most of the time on fairly level track, like a yard, they only need to apply two handbrakes. But in territory where there is a grade and the train is heavy, they can apply a lot more.
@@SeaboardCentralThanks for answering my question. I had always thought that was how it is done. But, I have had people tell me I was wrong. I'm happy to know the right answer. And I got it from a real engineer. Thanks again.
good vid tim... question about demurrage fees for this customer... so this ADM facility gets a mix of private and railroad owned POOLED cars... do demurrage fees still apply to the railroad owned pooled cars if they dwell beyond the 24hr free time after they've been either constructively placed or actually placed at the customer???... seems like there would be different agreements about car usage when you have a customer using POOLED railcars
All railroad marked cars are eligible for demurrage fees regardless of what kind of pool they are in. Private cars are not once they are placed on the customer’s property. Hope this helps!
Tim, awesome vid as usual, but I'm still really confused about ADM. When you made up your switch list did you just decide that cars abc123 and xyz987 were empty and ready to be pulled and cars fgh567 and def456 were loads that needed to be spotted? Sorry. Just not fully seeing how it's setup
Tim, I think what @JohnB9474 is asking is how do you know what cars are ready to be pulled and what cars still need or need to be spotted? On other layouts, most use car cards and waybills, the waybills give the work instructions. At the end of a session if the car completed the work on the waybill, then the waybill is changed to the next waybill in the rotation and used at the next session. If the work wasn't completed the waybill stays the same for the next session. From the work listed on the waybill the crew know what needs to be done with the car. Where does this information reside in your card forwarding system?
I’ll go over it more in the next video. But if you look at the part of the video where I am working ADM I am moving cars from and to the ADM staging yard. The point of the pre-op session is to make sure all the cars that are in the ADM staging yard are the cars that need to be pulled in the next session. Cars that do not need to be pulled will be on tracks 1-3 where the building is. As far as building the train goes for the next session, it is entirely prototypical for a local to only bring the amount of cars that the customer will need. For train L83 that would be 4 MT CMT hoppers for R50, 8 loaded corn hoppers for R48, two MT DDG hoppers for R48 and two MT ethanol tank cars for R49.
I needed to in order to represent a new day. Think of the pre-op session as just tying up some loose ends that should have occurred during the regular operating session of a typical day. Had we kept the operating session going longer we could have completed all the work for that particular day. But they needed to get going so we stopped the session. Hope this makes sense.
ADM is a magnificent model. I’m sure you will have operators fighting over that job during your ops sessions. Sign me up!
Thanks! Yes it is fun to switch. Keep watching for more going on there. A lot of cool stuff.
Loving this series! ADM could be an entire layout all on its own.
Thanks! Yes it was all I had when I first started the new layout. It packs so much operation I knew it would be a good starting point.
I really enjoyed this segment Tim. I always enjoyed helping my friend with his pre-op set up. At times I found that to be as challenging, if not more so, then the regular op session.
Thanks! I appreciate it. Stay tuned for more.
Another great video. Committed to watching the series. Outstanding Teaching Seminar Techniques and demonstration with the why questions answered clearly
I appreciate it.
Great looking video. Tim, thankyou for sharing this with us!
Thanks for watching!
Het Tim, I haven't commented in a while, but think I've not been watching, Jist working Hard on my layout, So Carry on Professor !!!! GREAT LESSONS
Thanks!
"Looks like Mr. Danny Harmon out there" -- That was really cool
Thanks! I appreciate it!
Very Nice Session. The Realism is Amazing.
Thank you!
Nice ops, thanks for sharing. Dave
Thanks for watching
Awesomeness as always sir!!! C'mon next week! 😊
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Thanks for watching!
Beautiful layout
Thanks!
Excellent video, thank you for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks Tim. Another great video!!!
Thanks for watching!
Cool stuff!
Thanks!
Nice ops.
Thanks!
very cool 😎
Thanks!
Another great video, Tim. I was wondering the loaded hoppers of corn will always leave ADM empty, never reloaded with DDG? Building a ethanol industry on my layout.
Thanks! No, those corn hoppers are assigned in pools which prohibits them from being reloaded. They must return empty to the interchange they were received as loads from. The DDG product is loaded in the larger private marked cars that are designated specifically for loading this product at this location.
Super... One question: Where's the smoke from that old Alco? 😄
Thanks! Yeah that would be something!
I have a similar Cargill operation on my layout
That’s cool
Hey Tim, great video. I'm learning alot from you and it's making my run sessions alot more fun. I run by myself so I can take my time. I like to wait a few seconds between each move to simulate hooking up air hoses and charging the air before moving the cars. But, I have a question. Do the hand brakes release automatically when the cars are charged with air, or does the crew have to release them by hand?
Thanks! No, the handbrakes have to be applied and released manually. Depending on the conductor or brakeman and how many brakes are needed to secure the equipment this can take some time. Most of the time on fairly level track, like a yard, they only need to apply two handbrakes. But in territory where there is a grade and the train is heavy, they can apply a lot more.
@@SeaboardCentralThanks for answering my question. I had always thought that was how it is done. But, I have had people tell me I was wrong. I'm happy to know the right answer. And I got it from a real engineer. Thanks again.
good vid tim... question about demurrage fees for this customer... so this ADM facility gets a mix of private and railroad owned POOLED cars... do demurrage fees still apply to the railroad owned pooled cars if they dwell beyond the 24hr free time after they've been either constructively placed or actually placed at the customer???... seems like there would be different agreements about car usage when you have a customer using POOLED railcars
All railroad marked cars are eligible for demurrage fees regardless of what kind of pool they are in. Private cars are not once they are placed on the customer’s property. Hope this helps!
Tim, awesome vid as usual, but I'm still really confused about ADM. When you made up your switch list did you just decide that cars abc123 and xyz987 were empty and ready to be pulled and cars fgh567 and def456 were loads that needed to be spotted? Sorry. Just not fully seeing how it's setup
Thanks! Yes, I looked at what cars were ready to be pulled from ADM and I also marked which cars needed to be spotted at ADM from the yard.
Tim, I think what @JohnB9474 is asking is how do you know what cars are ready to be pulled and what cars still need or need to be spotted?
On other layouts, most use car cards and waybills, the waybills give the work instructions. At the end of a session if the car completed the work on the waybill, then the waybill is changed to the next waybill in the rotation and used at the next session. If the work wasn't completed the waybill stays the same for the next session. From the work listed on the waybill the crew know what needs to be done with the car. Where does this information reside in your card forwarding system?
I’ll go over it more in the next video. But if you look at the part of the video where I am working ADM I am moving cars from and to the ADM staging yard. The point of the pre-op session is to make sure all the cars that are in the ADM staging yard are the cars that need to be pulled in the next session. Cars that do not need to be pulled will be on tracks 1-3 where the building is. As far as building the train goes for the next session, it is entirely prototypical for a local to only bring the amount of cars that the customer will need. For train L83 that would be 4 MT CMT hoppers for R50, 8 loaded corn hoppers for R48, two MT DDG hoppers for R48 and two MT ethanol tank cars for R49.
Is this Pre-op the same thing as staging for a next session? But with your paperwork? Lots of insight, here.
Yes you can say that
Just a curiosity, why did you choose to finish the ADM switching as a pre-op vs doing it during the next ops session?
I needed to in order to represent a new day. Think of the pre-op session as just tying up some loose ends that should have occurred during the regular operating session of a typical day. Had we kept the operating session going longer we could have completed all the work for that particular day. But they needed to get going so we stopped the session. Hope this makes sense.
I wouldn't have mind watching the entire switch of 278.
I meant L83
Stay tuned. It will be a lot on the next one